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Dualist thinking comes naturally to us. We feel as though our conscious experiences were of a different order from the physical world. But this is the same intuition that leads to the hard problem [of consciousness] seeming hard. It's the same intuition that produces the philosopher's zombie-- a creature identical to me in every way except that it has no consciousness. It's the same intuition that leads people to write, apparently unproblematically, about brain processes being either conscious or unconscious.
Am I really denying that difference? Yes. Intuitively plausible as it is, this is a magic difference. Consciousness is not some weird and wonderful product of some brain processes but not others. Rather, it is an illusion constructed by a clever brain and body in a complex social world. We can speak, think, refer to ourselves as agents, and so build up the false idea of a persisting self that has consciousness and free will.
-- Susan Blackmore, psychologist
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>>17046727
So she is saying none of us actually have free will or conciousness?
dumbestshitihaveeverheard/10
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>>17046727
she could be right.
there is no randomness. only the unknown. like how computers can fake random, but if you know what your doing it's all a scam.
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>>17046754
We know the self is constructed because it can be so easily deconstructed--through damage, disease, and drugs. It must be an emergent property of a parallel system process input, output, and internal representations. It's an illusion because it feels so real, but the experience is not what it seems. The same is true for free will. The choices and decisions we make are based on situations that impose on us. We don't have the free will to choose the experiences that have shaped our decisions.
-- Bruce Hood
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yeah in a way it's probably true. We are all on some level just antomitons to fate. Obscure and unobvious enough to go untoticed. You think your choices are your own.
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>>17046781
Fate meaning "genetics and environments"?
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>>17046787
yeah.
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She falls for her own trap, mistaking truth for falsehood.
The illusion can be real.
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>>17047510
It's a syphor kinda day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM
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>>17047515
sorry cypher*
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>>17046727
I like this. Reading the feeling behind the words rather than trying to be too analytical, it feels soft, warm, connected, spacious. In my experience, the opposite to how ego experiences feel. Probably basic buddhism but it's nice to see people with an 'ology' talk about stuff in this way.
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