Do top Freemasons really worship Baal?

>>17026634
Since they love worshiping demons, then why not?

>>17026634
My ouija board onetime said to hail baal

>>17026634
My friends dad is a mason apparently. They say it's got nothing to with rituals/religion or anything like that. Maybe the lowers are kept in the dark about it?

>>17026654
then why the requirement to have a belief in a higher power/god to join? there not a secret society. any one can join if they meet the requirements

its not like atheism is so common it would keep people out. there is no real reason to have a requirement in a belief in some sort of god unless there is a religious tie in some where.

>>17026654
absolutely
lowers are purposely misguided with fake meanings for symbology and lied ablut the true reasons/meanings for their practices

>>17026634
>Do top Freemasons really worship Baal?
No, Lucifer.

>>17026634
Is masonry a front for the Illuminati or satanism?

From what I have read of masonry I get a lot of conflicting information. Some sources say they are a modern form of the ancient mystery schools from Greece and Egypt and that they are all about self improvement, raising consciousness and teaching sacred truths about the universe/god. Sacred geometry, hermetic principles, gnosis, philosophy all of those things do seem to be prominent.

Then there is this other side of masonry which makes them out to be devious deceivers, part of the NWO are all that.

How are we supposed to discern the truth? Are they good or bad?

Maybe the higher ups..... I think they use a bunch of tials and stuff in order to weed people out

My grandpa told me he was starting to become a high level mason he ran around naked in the woods and drank blood out of a human skull.... i think he quit not to far after

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>>17026634
>Worshipping the Demonized Christian version of Baal

The 3 major modern day Monotheistic faiths mostly demonized other deities when they gained more followers. Baal is associated with Fertility and Rain in Canaanite belief.

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>>17026634
Bottom ones do.

>>17026665
>>17026665
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Anyways nothing like baal or devil occult stuff.
According to them it's a way for men to better themselves.

>>17026634
no, if anyone worships demons it'd be the fanatical Christians that spend all their time demonizing everyone but themselves, in effect slapping the face of Jesus, who told them not to judge lest they be judged.. false Christians are loud, smelly creatures and even God despises them.

>>17026668
you would only know this if you are a high level freemason. so are you? if not, your opinion is based on nothing but your own imagination.

>>17026679
Now that I think about it, there was a former mason who wrote a book on the inner workings of the masons. He put it pretty clear that after some point he was subject to weird ass ritualistic shit that made him quit. Wish I could remember the name of the guy...

>>17026634

Worshipping Baal is no worse than worshipping his dad El(oah) or Allah.

>>17026634
I always thought they worship the demiurge

Jabulon

Ja -Jehovah
Bul -baal
On -Osiris

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>>17026901
>false Christians are loud, smelly creatures and even God despises them.

Amen.

>>17026634
Yes.
Molech Baal.
Molech the Owl.
The Grand Architect known to the Ancients (Carthage, Babylon) as Baal.
the Name Grand Architect and Baal were used interchangeably.

>>17026665
Well considering Freemasonry originated in the Enlightenment, the theological theory for secular humanism in vogue at the time was Deism which is by definition a belief in a higher power divorced of religious pretenses. So no, a belief in God does not necessitate religious practices, especially in the context of the history of Freemasonry.

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What about Yaldabaoth also known as the Demiurge?

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They worship Lucifer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OXuXTkBNQ

“When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy.“
Lost Keys Of Freemasonry,” page 48 by Manly Palmer Hall 33°

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

Does your mom really worship your butt?

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>>17027751
I wonder what else she knew about such stuff.

No actually you made a mistake OP
The Freemasons worship balls (plural)
Not Baal
I can see why you thought one thing meant another, after all the two are very phonetically similar

>>17027829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoRa3MZxV8g
Long as fuck, I knwo ;)
,but watch the first parts and you will understand what "baal" is and much more. It is a title, not a specific entity per se.

look at them clapping, in their aprons, and abusing a church for their ritual work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KznEsRJJTKk

>>17027894
>>17026634
Meant for OP, my bad, but of course anyone who wants to watch, should watch.

>>17027894
I really think you're misunderstanding
sphere is love
sphere is life
a pair is the best arrangement, because then life is never lonely

>>17027906
>>17027904

>>17026634
Baal = hidden pagan god/demon

1.) Baal [Ba'El] = Lord in Semetic Root Languages
2.) Freemasons require a belief in a higher power, but not a specific one
Some probably do, most probably do not.
They worship "The Great Architect".

Now answer me this:
Why didn't you just google the answer?

>>17027945
Baal was an angel, his name hasn't changed... Like Lucifer, the light-bringing.

>>17027944
Not true.
There is nothing hidden about Baal.
Baal, or Ba'el/Ba'El, is just a semetic root word that means "lord".
It's just a noun that becomes a proper noun when used in proper noun way.
Even the Jewish God is called "El", and the Arab word is "Al" as in "Allah".

I just realized a phonetic joke:
God is the Universes biggest Ba'llah [Baller].

Next time look shit up via academic sources, not conspiracy websites or magick websites.
Those other websites use wish-fullfilling or paranoia-fullfilling presumptions.

>>17027960
That isn't true historically at all.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
>Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou
What you are referring to is Post-Bronze Age.
Why do the /x/tards keep using Post-Bronze Age reclaiment sources?
It's annoying and historically incorrect.
Do you even understand how timelines work?

>>17027967
Oh yeah, true, I didnt google that

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And because you're all fucking retarded and don't know how to use google

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>>17027976
If some people follow him, makes him a lil' god?
(Image related in Hebrew time......)

>>17026679
my grandfather is a mason. The Illumanati and them are completely different, he also told me that aleister crowley was a higher up in the society. Basically the masons are seen as good while the illumanati bad however I would say it is the other way around.

>>17028007

007 Goldfiiingeeer he's man na nanana na na

na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>17028014
lol'd

>>17026634
No, only Moloch.

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>>17026665
>belief in a higher power
>yfw freemasons are just a top secret alcoholics anonymous

>>17027976
>>17027967
>>17027961
>>17027945
>>17027894
"all"

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Ba'al in action

>>17026679
Mason's are decent people.

I met a lot of them and so far it just seems like a great fraternity. The god part (from what I get) is more of a belief in a greater good. They're about education and working together etc.

As far as that secret occultism stuff idk. They were formed while building a church.

Also stone work requires a lot of effort and precision which lines up with heir attitude toward self betterment.

I'd join if I could.

Plus they give a fuck about art/design.

>>17026634
No.

>>17026654
>Maybe the lowers are kept in the dark about it?
Also no.

>>17026665
It's to do with the nature of the teachings, which have a focus on being dutiful to your beliefs as a way of improving society.
Put simply, atheists can't be trusted to help their fellow man.

>>17026668
Why does every non-member misunderstand that quote?

>>17027008
>the Name Grand Architect and Baal were used interchangeably.
Source?

>>17028007
Crowley wasn't even a member, and his followers nowadays are freely discriminated against by Masonry for being the turd eaters they are.

>>17028125

Basically. It's a social club with connections.

>>17026634
Mount Lel, Top Crown of Keks

The masons are secret for meme reasons today. But originally there was a lot of secrets pertained to stone work and carpentry and other trades kinda like how cokes recipe is a secret.

They also practice spoken history, like being very punctual with old text and making sure information isn't tainted with time or lost to it

It's a lot of symbolism but mostly a boys club with beer

>>17028826
There also kinda like shamans in the sense that plant that's know for DMT the( hiacatia bush?) is a major symbol in their shit

>>17028826
>kinda like how cokes recipe is a secret.
Good comparison.

>>17026677
Not really, Masonic rituals pay respect to the Demiurge, the 'architect' of the universe.

>>17026679
The Illuminati, who also worship the Demiurge.

>>17028954
>Masonic rituals pay respect to the Demiurge
False.

>>17026634
no, they worship yaldabaothdemiurge

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>>17027903
they even erect ziggurats

>>17026634
For one brief moment I pondered what it'd mean if someone seriously thought this was a question worth asking.

And it sucked.

>>17026634

The Freemasons and the Illuminati worship Satan.

>>17029923
>this is what redditors actually believe

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>>17029939
>shilling for the illuminati

>>17029965
>believing they worship an angel of Yahweh
Go back to reddit, fag

>>17030002
>believing they worship an angel of Yahweh

Knowing.

>>17026634
masons care little about deities; besides their "architect" - whichever they perceive him/her/it to be

>>17026901
What about Muslims?

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>>17030305
I like it

>>17030305

I think you've discovered something both horrifying and profound.

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>>17026998
Bael is the Meme King

>>17030566
The mild retarded cat and the spider with a Pedobear face are based upon what?
Le 9gag memes?

>>17030591
Lurk moar.

>>17030591
Nothing relevant.
Now move on with your life

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>Lord Baelish
>Bael-ish
any connections?

>>17028966
No, that's just an /x/ fanfic.

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>>17026634
I worship daal


t. high level freemason

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>>17030619
>Baelish is CIA
>CIA is controlled by Illuminati
>Illuminati worship Bael

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Freemason here. Ask things if you want. I'll answer every question I can.

>>17030594
>534x561
>>17030607
have no clue who the pink cat is, but I know wojak and his crown, pepe and snibeti snab

>>17031527
>>17031527
how many old white dude dicks have you sucked?

>>17031539
None.

>>17026634
U better "baal-lieve" it

>>17031545
I'm proud of my lodge and lodge number, I just don't trust anybody on 4chan.

>>17031527

If keeping the name and number of the lodge secret is important, why tattoo it on your forearm?

>>17031557
>>17031558

>>17031557

How is letting people on 4chan know any different than some random on the street who may or may not frequent 4chan?

Just out of curiosity

>>17031582
Well, I guess /x/ is different than /b/. I just prefer to presever my anonymity on here as much as possible.

>>17031587

Fair enough

>>17031591
Thanks, so any questions on masonry or anything?

>>17031527
What do you do besides bake sales and donating blood?
Sit around with lemonade and cookies? Sacrifice and rituals?

>>17031527
>G
American or Scot?

>>17026634
No we don't.

I'm a 23rd degree freemason who practices in the Masonic Lodge in Goshen, New York. There are no rituals. The doors are open to the public. Nothing secretive happens, at all. Ask questions if you have them.

>>17032219
>23rd degree
Lol

>>17032219
Yeah, I got a question...

Does that title make you feel more important to the world?

>>17032229
No, it doesn't. It holds zero significance outside of the Masons.

>>17032232
Nor inside, either.

>>17032219
So, what's the deal with you guys? Why the degrees and such?

>>17032258
Degrees are ranks. My degree is more or less one who trains incoming Masons and makes them feel welcomed and fully initiated.

You move up in degrees through time, sort of like tenure. Monetary contributions to a lodge also boosts your status.

>>17032258
They're lessons. Think of it as a curriculum.

>>17032260
>Degrees are ranks.
Dude, stop with the lies. Ranks are ranks.
>You move up in degrees through time, sort of like tenure.
Skill and the candidate's choice are what cause progression in degrees.
>Monetary contributions to a lodge also boosts your status.
False.

>>17032267
A degree in Freemasonry is a rank. This is common knowledge.

>>17032268
It's common misconception. If you were a Mason, rather than a level 23 roleplayer, you'd know that.

>>17032267
What sort of things are on the curriculum? What is the goal of the teaching?

>>17032447
Moral lessons, mostly. It inculcates self-examination, and the degrees are stories which promote that in myriad form.
Ie. The Entered Apprentice degree (1st) is about how to learn, and to be a generally good chap in society. The Fellowcraft is about different types of learning (trivium, quadrivium) and how to apply them. And the Master Mason degree is about higher aspects of being, and coping with nature and one's place in it.

The other degrees have other such lessons, but being elective, are more to do with whatever the person wants to pursue.
Ie. Mark Master is about the importance of labour, merit, and being genuine. Holy Royal Arch is about theology and devotion to one's beliefs. Red Cross of Constantine is about archaeology and the importance of learning from history. And so on.

The goal is just to provide a framework for someone to learn how to better themselves (in the various aspects), so that they might be able to help better society on a neighbourhood level for each member.

>>17030305
>spider bro too
>4headed beast in the book of Revelations
>4chan

Our memes are gods

>>17032500
That sounds pretty sweet, how would I join? Just find a nearby lodge and express interest?

Ex-military dude works with my brother at a car firm, he'd been on 4 tours I think? Anyway we had him over for dinner at one point. My mum being a tattoo artist asked him about his ink, just some standard military shit. He says he wants to get it touched up and maybe some new stuff. Anyway, a few weeks later they're talking about the sleeve, he says he wants this that, yada yada yada. But then I see the design on the transfer paper as he's getting inked. There's an owl on a branch with the freemason symbol in it's eye. My mum didn't even know what it was, assumed it was military.

Not really relevant, and I was looking on facebook for the guy but I have literally three friends, and he's not mutual with any of 'em.

>>17032535
Exactly that. Or contact your state (USA/Canada/Australia) or country (everywhere else) Grand Lodge (which you can find here http://www.ugle.org.uk/about/foreign-grand-lodges )
Be warned, though, that's the framework you'll have to work with, so really it's all on you. But some lodges can be pretty shitty and make that hard.

>>17026651

i used one once with two girls, it said" suck his dick"

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>>17026634

For those interested:

hacked freemason site for private area in special projects > restricted area.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/

username: ashlar
password: keystone

havefun learn all u want.

>>17032585
>implying

>>17032607

Go to it
mason education special projects tab>
restricted area

>>17032585
>Hacked
>Public domain books
Lel, great job 1337 hax0r.

>>17026901
I love people who presume to understand the nature of God. And not only that, but have the hubris too state that they actually know how good feels.

>>17032636

the private restricted area needs a password.

>>17032275
rekt

>>17026634
I doubt they worship demons. From what I know about them they are pretty secular organization, recruiting the ambitious and powerful, into a organization based around success.

They do have rituals, which is not uncommon for such old and well connected organizations.

But I doubt its demon worship, religiosity is not common in these circles.

>>17028399
There are many famously atheist and agnostic alleged masons. George Washington to Jacques Pier.

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>>17030019
Dude whats wrong with you?

>>17032876
Because it hosted files. Preventing bandwidth abuse and such.

>>17033058
Washington wasn't an atheist. I'm sure some people have gotten in who turned out to be so, but as an organisation, [real] Masonry doesn't accept atheists.

>>17028954
Read morals and dogma, then come back and apologize

>>17026689
isn't Baal a title, not necessarily one being?

theres nothing special about the freemasons. they are just a fraternity. for old men, it's an excuse to get away from the wife and drink

>>17033628
>Read morals and dogma
Why would you want to inflict that kind of comma-abuse on someone?

>>17033628
It doesn't say what you think it does.