Building a 2nd computer, need CPU help and maybe GPU help

>>253910
What happened to your first PC build?

Just put a 1070 in it, and job done.

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>>253912
I am potentially selling my current build to either my friend or my brother for about half of what I paid for it originally back in 2014(?) so about $350

Current build(according to what speccy tells me):

CPU: Intel i5 4570 @3.20Ghz
RAM: 8.00GB DDR3 single channel
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G41(MS-7850)
GPU: 2047mb GTX 760(MSI)

I just wanted to have a clean slate for this new PC, and getting the $350 is nice too. Especially if my friend ends up buying it because we can play together. He seems to be incapable of building one himself though I'm hardly that much more experienced than he is.

Basically, I want to sell this current PC so I figured might as well just make a brand new one since I have a better budget compared to my first one

>>253921
I guess.

But you could easily do everything you describe by putting a 1070 (and maybe an i7-4xxx) in the thing you've got at the moment.

Your friend is definitely getting the sweeter end of the deal, and if I was him, I'd jump at the opportunity.

I'm not sure you appreciate how ancient and dreadful the 760 is, and how much better your current PC would get just by putting a 1070 in it.

>>253910
You could always get the GPU now, and then get the entire-rest-of-the-PC if you've tried it and you're still not happy.

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>>253939
For some reason the idea of switching parts on my current build scares me more than building a new one.

I wouldn't understand how ancient or dreadful the 760 is, I just bought whatever GPU seemed fine and cheap back than with my budget of about $600-700.

My brother does tell me to just upgrade my current build by slapping in a new CPU and GPU since that is one of the whole reasons I bought a PC to begin with since I had played consoles my whole life and just used the family desktop.

I'm still in a big internal debate about whether to even get this PC, keep using my current build or just upgrading my current build.

I have too many options and I don't understand a few of them, which is why I made this thread to begin with.

I can build a new PC and sell my current one:

A. but what CPU do I get? Whats the differences? Are they major differences?
B. is my selected GPU good enough? I just grabbed a 1070 I found when i put this list together back in November-ish

I can upgrade my current build but those same two questions still apply
i7 6700k or i7 6700 with stock fan? i5 6600k or i5 6600 with stock fan?

I don't even know the model of my current PC case so I'm worried the new parts like the non-stock fan or new GPU will fit

>>253942
>is my selected GPU good enough?
Yes, the whole 10x0 range is fantastically good (the cheapest 1050 is faster than your current GPU), and the minor differences between 1070s are not really that significant. Just get the one where you like the price and the design.

First time round, you massively cheaped out on the GPU, and you've been putting up with it ever since.

Seriously, get the 1070 (which you were going to get anyway), drop it in your PC, and see if you like the difference. If you've done that and you're still not satisfied, that's the point when you spend $300 on an i7 or $900 on a whole new PC.

>>253910
>Is the difference between the i7 6700k and i7 6700 versions a BIG difference?
No. It's a small difference, especially for gaming. If you do a lot of heavy non-gaming work on your computer, it may well be worth it; for gaming, those same dollars can do much more good elsewhere.

>Could I get some help? are the parts I selected good? is the GPU ok?
Looks mostly good to me. Two things though:
- blow 20 bucks on getting higher-speed RAM. Maybe DDR4-2800 or somesuch. Beyond 3000 you are into the region where you are paying ever more for diminishing returns, but adding maybe 25% to your RAM costs is well worth it.
- buy an SSD. Seriously. This is THE most performance-for-dollars improvement possible. 250GB is sufficient, 500GB is nice.

>>253942
>A. but what CPU do I get? Whats the differences? Are they major differences?
The 6700K is the most badass CPU you are going to get and probably overkill. There are situations where it's well worth it, but gaming isn't one of them.

The very high-end CPUs mostly distinguish themselves in that they can do more things at the same time. This is very useful for work that relies strongly on doing heavy CPU lifting, such as video editing, 3d modeling, some forms of software development, etc. For gaming, it makes very little difference and an i5-6600 or 6600K will serve you just as well, and save you at least 100 bucks, plus more on the cooler.

>1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
>no ssd
>in a computer that will cost more than $400
you fucking retard

>>253955
Or you could cut your budget from $1345 to $680, by getting just:

- the 1070 you were already planning on
- a used i7-4790K for $300

and installing them in your old PC.

The 4790K benches within 10% of the 6700K (http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/3502vs2384), and you just saved $665: near enough 50% of your budget.

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>>253951
well I'm impressed by what you're telling me is a not so great pick of GPU's and how well its served me and it only makes me more excited for when I eventually pull the trigger on this upgrade one way or another.

Ok, I suppose theres no reason why I can't and shouldn't just buy the GPU right now and then decide on the upgrade/new build issue later.

I was also worried that my selection of 1070 was a bad choice and that there was a better&cheaper option out there than the "EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card" but I'm not being shit on for my choice as of yet, maybe I'm too used to /v/.

>>253955
Thank you for making me feel more assured on going with the cheaper CPU option, might go for the i5 6600k then and I'll look for better RAM as well, I always knew about SSD but again, it was never something I imagined needing but if its a performance improvement, I'll spring for it. I hear people install their OS or something onto the SSD so it boots faster or something?

Would a better CPU affect streaming in anyway? I'm not a "streamer" exactly but I do dabble into it here and there, I was fine streaming it with my current hardware so I'm sure no matter what, I'll still be able to stream in the same quality as before if not better I'm just curious about a CPU-Streaming connection.

>>253958
Theres the kind of response I was expecting mostly, is the hard drive I picked out shitty? I barely knew what I was doing the first time around years ago and I definitely have not improved much since then though I am going to pick up a SSD as recommended

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>>253963
Interesting.

Is the numbers 4790k and 6700k indicate any form of power or is just like a model code? I know the GHz is a indicator of power that I just don't understand but what about the other numbers?

>>253955
>This is very useful for work that relies strongly on doing heavy CPU lifting
No it's not: if you're doing that you get a proper workstation with a proper Xeon. 4(8) cores is nice, but the equivalent workstation processors have 8(16) cores or 10(20) cores.

Gaming processors aren't even in the ballpark. They have 4(8) cores because all the consoles have eight cores, so to get the most out of AAA titles (which are all console ports) you need eight cores.

>>253966
No. The way Intel numbering works is:

i - intel
[3,5,7] - rough indication of power
-
['',2-6] - generation number
xxx - rough indication of relative power compared to others in its generation and class
['',K,S] - K processors have an unlocked multiplier and are "power gamer" processors; S processors are low-voltage

>>253965
>I'll look for better RAM as well
Aim for the cheap wins here. Paying a lot for faster RAM is not usually worth it, it's only a good choice if you can substantially raise that number for a modest pricetag.

>I hear people install their OS or something onto the SSD so it boots faster or something?
Yes. A system installed on an SSD boots faster, loads programs faster, and doesn't get slowed down by background tasks nearly as much. Improvements for gaming will be modest, I think; it's rather everything else that you do on your computer that will have much fewer delays.

The Samsung 850 EVO is an excellent cheap SSD.

>Would a better CPU affect streaming in anyway?
Hm... I think a better CPU will allow you to stream in higher resolutions and quality levels. If you find that enabling streaming drops your framerate noticeably, that is something that an i7 may help with. Or it may not; I have no experience here and I'm talking pure theory.

>I'm just curious about a CPU-Streaming connection.
It is indeed largely a CPU-bound thing. A faster CPU can stream in higher quality; a CPU that can do more things simultaneously will have less impact on your gaming performance while streaming. But I have no clue AT ALL whether either of these things is a problem in practice.

>>253972
>>253966
So if we break these two apart:
>i7-4790k
i7 - this is a high-end processor
4 - this is generation 4 (Haswell)
790 - these are mostly meaningless numbers (but you should expect it to perform better than an i7-4770K)
K - this processor is overclockable

>i7-6700K
i7 - this is a high-end processor
6 - this is generation 6 (Skylake)
700 - these are mostly meaningless numbers
K - this processor is overclockable

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>>253972
wow, thank you. That actually does clear up some of my confusion when I'm looking at CPU's and I just see this mass of numbers and letters on other people's builds. Only thing I could decipher on my own was the "i3, 5 or 7" thing.


Ok, so I dropped down to an i5 6600k 3.5 GHz CPU and I picked up 16gb of DDR4-2800 memory

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Epicgnome/saved/t2xbvK

Seems like I've taken the money saved from the i7 to i5 drop and put that into getting an SSD

>>253979
I picked up the 2800 RAM for about $15 more than the previous RAM i had selected, seems reasonable to me but I'm not sure obviously.

Fair enough on the not knowing on the streaming part, you've been a big help so far and I can't expect you to have all the answers

>>253981
You're making these things easier for me in the future and I appreciate that, at least now I have an idea of what all those numbers mean and my fears of a 0.2 GHz difference have been quelled a wee bit now that I know they make very little difference in terms of gaming.

>>253965
>Theres the kind of response I was expecting mostly, is the hard drive I picked out shitty?
it's a fine thing, should be relatively reliable, but it'd be a slow enough bottleneck that most of the money you spent on mid and high end components would be wasted

you don't know how computers work, at all, so you don't need and should not buy a k cpu

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>>253999
Any suggestions? is it the RPM thats the issue?

>>254001
You're not wrong, but I want to get a better understanding at least. I'm not just asking for people to tell me what to slap onto this build, and if I am asking that, I'm trying to understand why

like all I know about K CPU's now is that they seem to be the more overclock compatible of their counterparts? maybe slightly better base clock speed?

I know building PC's is like expensive legos, I can do that with only minimal fear, its just the technical parts I still need help with like GHz and apparently the RPM or whatever on my choice of Hard drives

>>254003
>Any suggestions? is it the RPM thats the issue?
No, just hard disk versus SSD. SSDs in general are loads faster than harddisks, speeding everything up. But they are more expensive per unit of storage, so it's common to have an SSD containing the operating system and programs, and a harddisk containing your videos and porn and other large data.

>like all I know about K CPU's now is that they seem to be the more overclock compatible of their counterparts? maybe slightly better base clock speed?
Both. I have a K and I don't overclock, simply because it has a 15%-ish higher clock speed. That's 15% more better. (Of course, it ain't a cheap 15%.)

>but it'd be a slow enough bottleneck that most of the money you spent on mid and high end components would be wasted
This is overstating it a bit. The SSD does not make a huge difference for gaming specifically; it's a modest boost for gaming and a major boost for everything else.

>I picked up the 2800 RAM for about $15 more than the previous RAM i had selected, seems reasonable to me but I'm not sure obviously.
Sounds good. Make sure to enable the extra speed in the BIOS.

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>>254011
Ahh, so I would want to install my games, or at least a few of them onto the SSD if I'd really like to squeeze as much out of my machine?
My choice of hard drive is ok to stay?

I don't mind paying a bit extra for a 10-15% boost in...betterness so thats why I'm still curious about getting a K cpu

I have to open the BIOS to enable the extra speed when/if I build this new computer? I'll make sure to remember that. For better or worse, I don't think I've EVER opened the BIOS on this current PC I have so it'll be a first for me as far as I can remember.

but I think my part selection is complete, after all the revisions suggested in this thread, my build has gone from:
$1380 with the i7 and no SSD
$1260 with the i5 and no SSD
to finally $1365 with the i5 and SSD
assuming I dont have to change my hard drive

I feel more confident now in my choices at least and have a better grasp of all these technical terms if only slightly better. Its still up for debate if I upgrade or build a new PC but I really appreciate you all for helping me so far

>>254015
>assuming I dont have to change my hard drive
not unless you want more than a tb.

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>>254019
Nah, 1TB seems fine for me, I don't keep TOO many games installed and really thats what eats up most of my storage space. I don't have many pictures or videos or music.

Clearly my pool of pictures is limited and odd as you can see from all my stupid pictures I've been posting to bump my thread.

I'm guessing 1TB will do me fine and that guy recommended 250gb to 500gb for an SSD and I went for the minimum due to wanting to try and keep my build sub $1400

>>254015
>Ahh, so I would want to install my games, or at least a few of them onto the SSD if I'd really like to squeeze as much out of my machine?
Yeah, and your operating system.

>My choice of hard drive is ok to stay?
Yes. The only consideration is whether it's large enough for your tastes. Easy enough to compare to your current data usage.

>I don't mind paying a bit extra for a 10-15% boost in...betterness so thats why I'm still curious about getting a K cpu
It's certainly a nice thing to have. But it ain't cheap, you are paying something like $150 extra for a pretty modest performance boost (10% extra CPU on something that does not rely on CPU power all that much in the first place).

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>>254026
Games/OS gotcha.

well my current build has a 1TB hard drive only and it has been more than enough space so I feel confident with that

Luckily the i5 6600k and i5 6600 are only about a $20-35 difference according to PC part picker and the retailers its showing me but if that price ever becomes a larger difference that I don't want to pay, I'll keep the cheaper option in mind

>>254029
But I think the K doesn't come with a stock cooler, and the non-K does. That's another $50 at least. Of course, if you were planning to buy a better cooler anyway, then yeah the K is a cheap win.

(In >>254026 I was mostly talking about the 6700K, not the 6600K.)

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>>254043
yeah, that was another internal debate i had whether to get a K version or not because then I could just use the stock cooler and drop the cooler I had on my list and that would save me about $80

>>254015
Reminder that you can get 95% of the performance for just $680.

You could put it all a new case and still save $500.

>>254098
how so? by just buying the CPU and GPU and putting it into a new case right?

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>>254125
Yep.

The actual performance of the very-top-end processors hasn't got appreciably better: the only real improvements there have been in performance-per-watt.

So while the mobile processors and the cheap and mid-range desktop processors (celerons, pentiums, i3s, etc.) have got significantly better over the years, the i7s and i7ks have remained pretty-much the same in performance terms.

Just by giving it the best processor available at the time, your old PC can get 95% of the performance you'd get from the 6700K and the parts you'd have to replace just to fit it.

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>>254128
so I can get something like an i5 6600k and my GTX 1070 while keeping the same motherboard/PSU and RAM?

I'm still interested in learning more about simply upgrading my current PC as its still one of the routes I may go, and even if I don't upgrade this one, I'd like to try and upgrade my 2nd build whenever its parts begin to show their age in any significant way

>>254139
>so I can get something like an i5 6600k and my GTX 1070 while keeping the same motherboard/PSU and RAM?
Yes and no.

You can get a 1070 and stick it into your old computer no problem, but the processor is trickier. Specific motherboards support specific processors. A motherboard contains a specific processor socket (in your case: the LGA1150 socket), and you can replace your processor by any processor that fits that socket (which roughly comes down to any different model in that same processor generation). You can't get a 6700 or 6600, both of which use the LGA1151 socket; but you CAN get an i7 4790k, which is the highest-end LGA1150 processor, and which according to the measurements in >>254128 is very nearly as fast as the i7 6700k. This allows you to keep your existing motherboard, memory, PSU, etc.

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>>254141
Ahhh ok, yeah I had a separate 3rd parts list saved as "potential current build upgrades" or something saved after hearing something similar in this thread.

I had the i7 4790k and the same GTX 1070 and the price was about $715 for the both of them so I am keeping that option on the board as well

I still have a parts list of if I go with the i7 or i5 or just upgrade my current parts like you say