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>>1710337
Thanks op

>>1710509
No problem.

>it's all shitty protestant """christian"""" music
No thanks

>>1711998
Post some of your creepy Russian chants then, if you don't like it.

Protestant worship is fun with others but when I really want to be filled with the spirit I listen to the chants of those who came before us. So cleansing for the soul. I'm on mobile so I'll be posting links instead of webms. I encourage any of you curious of tradition to seek it out where you can, may God grace us with his countenance

Summe Trinitati - https://youtu.be/4Bvwzeuyx4E
Deum Verum - https://youtu.be/kK5AohCMX0U
Dominus Dixit Ad Me - https://youtu.be/xFzgfCzfSQg
Terra Tremuit - https://youtu.be/Kdka1WN1c8c
Puer Natus est Nobis - https://youtu.be/h_Ez91zGm4Y
Dominus Regnavit - https://youtu.be/4ych_dTX8G0

>>1712114
They are not creepy, they are a beautiful and authentic praising of God through the Psalms. I encourage you to embrace worship of God in all its forms, for surely if one does not can they consider themselves Christians if they shut out praise of God from their lives?

>>1712165
>shutting out idolatry from a sect that has man made their doctrines and changed them over time for convenience is a bad thing

Its like you want me to burn in hell

>>1712172
It's literally singing Psalms in another language you Pulpit and Pen autist

>>1712165
I like them too.

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Old Testament counts right? or is that to jewy?

>>1712276
>tumblr_lxewsfcHSU1r0bfqx.gif

At least change the filenames lol

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The future of Christianity is Africa

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>>1712586
Can't wait for crus4 :^)

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>>1712586

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Oh boy do I have some webms for you guys.

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>>1712576
As an atheist this is the first decent non-comedy one in this thread, good work

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>>1712608

Anyone have the video of the Ukrainian artillery team where the guy on the string yells something along the lines of, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, fire" and fires the cannon?

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>>1710337
what is this dirty fucking protestant bullshit? Where are the Latin and Orthodox chants?

>>1712579
thank you anon, way better than Op's protshit tunes.

AVE MARIA

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>>1712614
DEUS VULT

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>>1712627
suce plz

>>1712633
Not sure, actually. Sorry, bud.

>>1712638
np, the tune is really catchy

>>1712620
I hoping it's meant to be funny, I did laugh at a couple of them especially the one with the helium-voiced singer

More Protcringe from the Bible Belt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D7iT2MT00o

>>1712603
This one is too low-res and messy, can't tell who's who in the fights

>>1712657
I think that the helium tune was Catholic. Can't imagine protestants being sophisticated enough to have chants. Plus, it was in Latin.

Fuck, why are protties so damn cringy

>>1712657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w

reminds me of this

>>1712657
I know, I didn't make it. I still like it though. Love the chant.

>>1712662
Anti-culture attitudes. Over time, as Christianity aged, it added lots of decor, artefacts, "idolatry", tales, saints, archetecture and syncretic elements with pagan faiths. It added up to quite a vivid, cultured and artistic religion

But Protestants, while having some ideas about the common man and equality, had some sects which lashed out against all the culture and beauty added to them. They wanted a minimalistic They ditch hundreds of years of classy cultural guidance so they end up starting with just the translated bible to build on. Thus, you get cringe instead of class. If you talk to a radical protestant about all the cultural glory of orthodoxy/coptic/catholic they'll claim it's sinful idolatry, pagan, not "God's wishes" etc. I'm from the US so we have to deal with these "people" in our Bible Belt, but it's worrying now that on /pol/ and /int/ I'm seeing tons of crazy protestants with flags of traditionally orthodox/catholic countries. Hopefully just rebellious loners, and not the sign of fundie Protestantism spreading

Islam has a similar problem with wahhabis who think islamic art and archetecture detracts from the minimalistic worship of Allah so are demolishing thousands of medieval Islamic heritage sites in Saudi Arabia

>>1712692
>>1712657
More bible thumpers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNMC19X9EXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmNb3xJFzkc
Catchy remix of an infamous fundie fraudster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0JeEKR3Do

>>1712657
Horrendous post. It's unfortunate that I have to share this planet with people like you.

>>1712620
Post them yourself you leech.

>>1712790
You shouldn't have posted stuff everyone was going to make fun of then

>>1712818
>everyone

It's literally 3-4 /pol/ autists circlejerking over "Deus Vult" webms like they're the Christian ISIS, and I'm assuming you were one of them

>>1712825
>Christian thread
>Surprised people posted those

I'm not religious but those are fun because they mock the ISIS style and whatnot, good memes

The OP stuff though is cringy church rap music and shit from Alabama with still backgrounds.. wtf.

>>1712848
>I'm not religious

Yeah, I'm well aware.

Dio Cane!

It means "God is absolute" in Italian :)

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>>1712620
Stop worshiping idols.

>>1712453
very catchy !

>>1712620
>Where are the Latin and Orthodox chants?

Dead with all the other pagan rituals you tards are into

>>1712114
I preffer them in greek desu

>>1712692
Your man made, ever changing doctrine doesnt mean shit. Flip flopping on issues based upon convenience, fake miracles out of false prophet popes you idolize, old pagan rituals you still hold onto.

The infallible word of god is universal and in clear text. You read it, you follow its guidance. Its that simple.
To have years of man made dogma, and many man made idols to worship doesnt mean you have class. It means you arent thinking objective about gods word and will burn for it.

>/pol/ hates mexicans
>into orthodox catholicism, just like the dumb mexicans

really makes you think

>>1710323

Source on the full song?

>>1712611
The amen at the end always gets me.

>>1712631
Compound interest is not the problem, but the economic environment in which it is issued. The rule is that you don't borrow unless you have the projected means to pay it back under an acceptable timeframe and net interest. All this aside, I'm a Christian, I just disagree with the demonizing of lending.

>>1712662
>>1712692
I disagree with your analysis. I'll give the disclaimer that I am a Protestant--albeit a highly ecumenical one (I attend mass periodically with Catholic family)--and also concur that there has been a great dark age in Protestant artistic expression over the past century. At the time of the Reformation, Protestants were just as artistically inclined as the Catholic Church--in practice, for most denominations, there was no real difference except theological. The decline, nay repression, of Protestant cultural expression can be traced to the first quarter of 20th century USA. The rise of reactionary fundamentalism in response to the gaining traction of liberal theological circles--which associated with progressive social policies--and its resultant "huddle-around-the-bandwagon" mentality gave rise to a complete withdrawal from the culture at large. This included withdrawal from charity and social justice, which played a major role in the rise of the USA welfare state following the Great Depression. This isolationism gave rise to a stagnation of artistic expression which was largely due to a lack of exposure and a highly skeptical stance toward a rapidly evolving culture and its products.

In short, this is why Protestants have had a tendency to lag behind the curve in adopting new innovations in technology, music, etc., and when they do they have a tendency to run them into the ground. This is further complicated by the tendency of Protestants to be intellectually inbred because of all the aforementioned problems and theological shallowness. Sadly, many churches have become ideological echo chambers with little critical evaluation. This is even further complicated by the tendency of Protestant circles (churches, businesses, schools) to be highly tolerant of mediocrity. They have a predisposition to tolerate mediocrity on the basis of the salvation of the brother or sister in question... (part 2 follows shortly).

>>1713530
to continue
...as though it would be unethical to fire them because they are a fellow believer. This leads to ridiculous degrees of tolerance of mediocrity, incompetence, and at times outright dishonesty.

I can say, however, that there has been a resurgence of intellectual and artistic development--notably among those of the Reformed tradition (to which I belong). Reformed theology is also gaining strong traction among millennials, so I gamble to speculate that we will likely see positive developments in the coming decades.

>>1713534
Last note:
I have strongly considered converting to Catholicism in the past, but I just cannot accommodate the Marian theology. Everything else is cool with me because it is not mutually exclusive with my current held convictions, but I just cannot embrace that.

>>1713536
Theotokos. Mother of God. Jesus is both 100% divine and 100% man, you cannot separate them (thats nestorianism, one of the oldest heresies that was done away with thousands of years ago).

Shouldn't that be enough?

>>1712579
need music sauce. Need it very much

>>1712588
based

>>1713092
wew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUhBykAA0D8

Yeah... Christian Thread

>>1712453
The guy at 1:11 looks like a well groomed Varg

>>1712633
"In Taberna Quando Sumus" (a drinking song) from the "Carmina Burana" a collection of medieval poems.

http://www.tylatin.org/extras/cb14.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmina_Burana

This thread is great! Had no idea that I would like these chants so much
Here's some slightly less bad prot music. I quite like both of them
https://youtu.be/P4S8ne-xU0E
https://youtu.be/v-6WtneSZy8

>>1713562
Ask and ye shall receive, my brother
https://youtu.be/_R8viSgLTVM
https://youtu.be/isxvXITTLLY

>>1713909
Meh, to each their own

>>1714089
Why would they invite an Imam to a Christian church?
Are they dumb? Props to the woman though.

>>1712453

>mfw this one of the best pieces of american """""""""""""""""""""ska""""""""""""""""""

kek

>>1714428
The real question is why only one person had the courage to stand up and say something.

>>1713542
Yes, all Protestants acknowledge Mary as the human mother of Jesus. It is the nature and magnitude of the veneration that is the hangup. It is notable that the cult of Mary--which upon assimilation resulted in the elevated view of Mary in the Church at large--didn't originate until the 4th century (in the most basic sense). It gained actual traction in the 7th-9th centuries.

>>1714462
Because you should be understanding to others and their belief systems?
Is your faith so frail that you cant have a guest with a slightly different belief system come in?

>>1713092
>idols
Nice meme, let me know when y'all stop worshiping the Bible and start worshiping Christ.

>>1712603
I need the song source brother

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>>1713512
NO

>>1715140
dumb webm

>>1714089
I really hate Germany

>>1714667
Considering their (Islam) belief system does not allow such, then no.

>>1713518
nice tune

>>1714089
"save the church of martin luther"
aaaaaand i'm out

>>1714667
>you should be understanding of the people who pray to a mass murdering pedophile 5 times a day
>you should accept the (((inter-faith dialog))) that posits that Allah and God are the same entity
>therefor Christ and Muhammad the mass murdering pedo are messengers of the same God.

Fuck you.

>>1714089
Germany, whether left-wing or right-wing, seems hellbent on destroying Europe.

>>1715446
>insert literal interpretation of the bible here

How ironic and mindbogglingly stupid this post is.

>>1715376
>Considering their (Islam) belief system does not allow such, then no.

Its all down to interpretation
Its always good to have far reaching generalizations and preconceived notions in your echo chamber instead of trying to learn from others.

Your faith must be quite poor to be afraid of trying to understand others.

>>1715459
Where did I do such a thing?

>>1715482
All a close minded muslim has to do is read out of context and misguided interpretations of any text. Then they can spout off and feel exactly the same way you do.

You wonder why people dont get anywhere, you wonder where militants and extremism comes from?

>>1714667
wtf does understanding their faith have to do with allowing muslim prayers in a Christian church?

kys

>>1714667
>slightly different
you have no idea what your talking about just stop

>>1715507
The extremism comes from a religion in which violence is sacrosanct. You cannot compare the lives and teachings of Jesus and Muhammad and not see this.

>>1713137
>Your

I'm technically Methodist by descent with no orthodox/catholic ancestors. I'm defending old-world old faiths because they contributed to western (and eastern) cultures over the millennia and were also instrumental in forming the basis of European music. I don't take any parts of Jewish folklore literally or seriously though. I'm mentioning that Protestantism in the colonies here is heavily tied with rednecks, ghetto blacks and wal-mart more than art and culture.

>>1714428
Leftists virtue-signal with stunts like this

>>1715760
holy shit, this guy is bringing the bantz

>>1710323
source please?

>>1715517
>getting insights and finding common beliefs with other people of faith
>a bad thing as opposed to blind tribalism

>>1715558
>>1715568
>extremism only exists in religions that I dont follow

>>1715790
murder is only honored in one religion of the two your referring two. and only one was taught by a warlord

>>1715796
>my religion uses common sense and has "interpreted" the crimes against humanity in its scriptures as wrong
>but other religions obviously wont do the same, even though the vast majority of the 2 billion muslims are nonviolent and peaceful

>>1715812
you havent read the texts, Christianity is against murdering in the name of God, islam praises it and glorifies murdering those who dont believe, christianity says to help them out and share with them. you sound are wholey unqualified to speak on the matter if you dont see that difference

>>1715812
also the peaceful muslims are the apostates

>>1715817
Funny how those 2 billion people arent all storming the streets to kill right?
Seeing how most people dont read the texts literally, regardless of what religion.

>>1715818
How could they be muslim if they are an apostate?

>>1715825
>How could they be muslim if they are an apostate?
in name only
>>1715825
>Seeing how most people dont read the texts literally, regardless of what religion.
literally is very different from considering something to be the truth. did you know holy bible literallist are only recent within the past 300 years? for thousands of years everyone new the bible is told in a way from God to the people in such a way that people would understand, are there actual events retold that took place? yes. are there also stories told that are true as in representative of the truth? yes
now islam on the other hand has since its inception been the driving motive for muslims to murder those who disagreed or refused to become a slave and even in present day the islamic councils which are ran by the most powerful islamic scholars in the world produce literature in present day that says to kill infidels and promises that they will behead jews and christians one day

>>1715829
So you think its a real quick slippery slope before a regular old muslim becomes an extremist to behead your grandchildren in the street.

So instead of trying to create understanding, finding common ground with them, doing as what YOUR religion says to do, you want to draw a hard line in the sand and proceed to yell and scream the second one comes into the church?

Short of restricting ones religious freedom, which im sure is important to you, you can only win them over with compassion. They are only humans after all.

>>1715838
>So you think its a real quick slippery slope
not at all for lots of replys you have implied im the westboro people when all i said in the begging was islam is very much a problem and is no way related to Christianity other then it has followers. just like how there are tons of christians in name only who dont really believe in nor follow Jesus Christ but try to be good people but that is no way at all the same as muslims who dont say anything against the non apostate muslims who blow themselves up and kill "infidels"
>>1715838
>Short of restricting ones religious freedom, which im sure is important to you, you can only win them over with compassion. They are only humans after all.
there freedom ends when they believe they can kill or subject other to slavery, that does not fly with me, and again it is silly to compare islam to christianity

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>>1714858
>Stop worhsiping the Bible and start worshiping Christ

I am almost at a loss for words while upon reading this.

It is impossible to worship Christ without sola scriptura. Have you not read 1 John? Especially verses 1-14. Christ is literally the word made flesh. All else besides the Bible is extraneous and erroneous.

I do not think that many if not all Muslims would consider it appropriate for a Christian leader of any denomination to come into their mosque and begin the service with a Christian prayer or sermon, nor do I think would any Christian leader venture to do so as there is no reason to. The only reason why we have an Islamic cleric and not a religious leader of any other religion beginning the Sunday service is because there is something particular about Islam, especially Germany. So when you say its all about learning from others and inter-faith dialogue this is blatantly wrong as it is not about the dialogue nor is it possible.
When you call the faith of people into question that is not a solid argument as intolerance of other faiths and the belief that other religious systems are false are found in all religions. If we take this further and consider the Jihadi or the Crusader these are people firmly convinced of the truth of their religion and willingly put those of differing beliefs to the sword. To a lesser degree, the Woman who protested this act possessed a greater conviction in her Christian faith than those who did not protest.

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>>1715460
>>1716898
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'Interfaith dialogue' is useful and worthwhile but in an academic sense, particularly in Theology. But this form of interfaith dialogue is about the current demands of the German state as the Lutheran church is basically an institution of the German state as it has its Bishops appointed and approved by it. In this case it is about perpetuating the current ideology of the German state which holds a strong multicultural line that is about integrating the Muslim population (no Rabbis or Brahmins preaching in that church, I wonder why?) What is permitted for Islam to do is different for what others cannot do to Islam. This is part and parcel of a modern society that holds a permissive and pluralistic Liberalism that in theory upholds all systems of value to be equal under law and be able to intermingle when the truth of the matter is not the case. It is the nihilism of this ideology that has weakened the spirituality of the Germans and the west and has lead it down the path of the slow demographic and eventual cultural decline to the emerging Islam. That is what this is, it is acclimatizing the Germans to their inevitable future which is Muslim, not Buddhist, not Sikh, Not Christian. Muslim.

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Hey guys who knows if I'm gonna get banned for saying this, but we have a nice little Christian community over on cripplechan /christian/. Come check us out!

>>1717028
oh yes, brilliant community that you have there

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>>1715290
here's a version without the pope
the merchant of venice is a great movie.

>>1712270
9/10 had a good chuckle

>>1712453
A+ bro

This is the most milktoast thread I've seen in awhile.

>>1712590
i thought the american flag must be on top according to US protocol, otherwise it could be seen as disrespecting. Or is this different for airforce?

>>1715094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc
it is sped up, i think 1.5x in the webm.

>>1716462

Just so you know, sola scriptura is nowhere in the Bible.

>>1714591
>It is the nature and magnitude of the veneration that is the hangup.

How so?

As to the nature, Mary is clearly unique in her relationship to Christ. So there is unique reverence to her among saints. It makes sense that she would be especially disposed to embrace the divine will.

As to magnitude, I'll admit it has bothered me as well. It began to make sense as I considered that all veneration of Mary is done in light of Christ.

>>1712608
If only old Barrack had paid a little more attention.

>>1716462
>protestants

sola scriptura is a meme invented for the express purpose of undermining the learned ecclesiastics in the Holy See and elsewhere.

It limits contemplation of God to the literal confines of the scriptures. And Jesus was all about the contemplation.

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>>1710332
Fixed this one

>>1715768
What's his name?
I've seen some of his sermons and I really like this guy.
Puts MGTOW in their place.

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>>1710323

>>1719464
Steven Anderson he is an idiot though. 8 chan /christianl loves him.

>>1712631
>Talking about the history of usury in Europe for four minutes without mentioning Jews at all

Fucking WEW. That's almost impressive.

>>1719163
nice

>>1710323
>>1713429
>>1715779
Third
I fucking need this goddamn song. Shazam doesn't catch it. I will literally convert if I can get a hi-fi version of the full track

>>1715760
sauce

>>1717028
Can confirm - actually is quite nice. Still don't like the flag of orthobros,could be better lel.

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>>1713153
>orthodox catholicism
>mexshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNXyxQVJCGs

>>1712453
Stuck in my head permanently now

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>>1721289
That was the wrong one I'm sorry

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>>1721309
If this is what I think it is then does it count?

>>1712588
I'd go to his church.

true

As always Hillsong makes some amazing music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQWFzMvCfLE

>>1723369
Got any more excerpts of pastors talking, similar to this?

/r/ing Bishop Fulton J. Sheen webms

>>1713153
>Implying Mexico is Catholic in any sort of shape and size

Mexican Catholicism is long dead. Mexican priests are being killed by the Mexican government and the Cartel. Persecution of Catholics are greatly endorsed by their constitution which is unsurprisingly modeled by the Heretic French Constitution. Fucking Frenchies their nation deserves to die

>>1714667
>Islam
>slightly different from Christianity

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you believe this.

>>1714667
Yeah, you're absolutely right; seeing how understanding those "slightly different" others are of Christians in general. Especially in Egypt and their Christian minority, everybody is very understanding there indeed.
Also it's not like those others have been killing random, innocent people (including members of their own faith) while loudly praising their own God for many years, all around the world.
You see Christians do this kind of thing all the time.

I guess that's how true tolerance works; a one-way system, one side has to tolerate the other one while that one hates and wants to kill the first. I see no possible problems with that.

But yeah, to be honest, fuck Islam.

>>1712599
the feels...
I fear soo much for the west, that it would end up in the hands of islam like Constantinople, Egypt and the rest of the so called 'arab' countries.. :(

> the chant in arabic, but still as beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9R8JKemDw

>>1725704
severe autism

>>1717028
I don't know about catholics, but orthodox don't ''pray'' for mary, she is Jesus's mom and she's sitting next to him in heaven, we ask her to pray for us and god's forgiveness through her. And when the mother ask's the son for something it will be done.
Don't forget the cana wedding, when she was asked by the people to seek her son

>>1721311
Such a good movie

>>1720490
severely underrated post

>>1718381
Just so you know, the primacy of the Bishop of Rome is nowhere in the Bible.

>>1718442
God at various times in the Scriptures directly and explicitly confines contemplation of HIMSELF to HIS OWN direct & recorded revelation. Jesus wasn't some hippie.

>Deuteronomy 29:29
>“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law."

>>1715460
I have been trying to understand their POV for years, and after reading a little of the Quran and watching their corner of the world burn my entire life and reading about how it was burning well before my time. My faith is strong and was hopeful that they would coexist, but I'm more pragmatic than spiritual and these twats need to go back to burning their own lands.

>>1710323

Op do you really not have the sauce

>>1727083
>Just so you know, the primacy of the Bishop of Rome is nowhere in the Bible.

Which is fine with me because I do not believe every bit of tradition has to be mandated by scripture.

Sola scriptura is internally inconsistent. Either Christ established a Church with the authority to bind on earth and in heaven or he didn't. If he did then the Church in fact has that authority.

>>1715460
Imagine being this retarded

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>>1724984
Here's a megachurch webm instead.

I haven't figured it out yet. I either don't believe in god, or if I do, I reject him.

>>1728067
le upboated le fedora good sir...

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>>1728074

>>1728067
If I end up believing, here's why I will reject him:

ORIGIN:
>ancient times: cultures all over the world are inventing religions based on their locations, parts of middle east invent Judaism, christianity, and islam.
>all other religions are silly bogus stuff, but somehow these 3 are acceptable as truth (by their followers)
>other religions don't spread, but due to society circumstances, Christianity and islam become religions that try to convert people (mainly christianity it seems)
>arab religion of christianity, again due to circumstances of the society it exists in and others in comes into contact with, ends up being forced into european culture by rulers who either want control over their people, or need to unite their people under something their people will buy into
>my conclusion: christianity, judaism, and islam are merely arab religions, foreign to the white man, and are no more true than the ones they eradicated on their crusades.

PURPOSE:
>be god
>create an entire universe
>possibly only put life on ONE PLANET out of the entire infinity
>possibly give only ONE FORM of life on the planet free will
>now demand that that one form of life spend their entire lives worshiping him, and threaten them with eternal torture if they mess up
>basically, god has an ego that demands stroking, and thus created a race of free-will-having beings only to demand they ignore the pleasures of life to appease him
>why? as a god, why bother? if god can do everything, why does he need some creation to bow down to him? what's the point?

MOTIVES:
>be god
>arch enemy is Satan
>Satan bets you your best man (Job) will turn against you if you take away his shiny things (aka his fucking family, livestock, home, health, etc)
>out of ego, you allow your best man's ENTIRE LIFE to be utterly destroyed, both physically and mentally, just to prove a point to a guy you don't even like
>this story alone tells me all I need to know about who we're dealing with here

>>1728112
I won't be reading a word of this.

>>1728126
lol, afraid to question?

>>1728129
Nah, your post simply isn't worth reading.

>>1728132
sure thing, lol. I've spent many years pondering the christian religion, because I was basically forced to be baptized, and never felt any connection to christianity at all. It wasn't until after learning from some people trying to minister to me about theology and such, that I actually learned the ORIGIN to all this stuff, and once I learned of its origins, I realized it was just as legitimate as any other pagan religion.

>>1728129
afraid of catching your I'm mad at my parents fedora wearing neckbeard retardism.

>>1728146
lol sure thing kid. I love my parents. I just don't believe they're spending their lives wisely worshiping a selfish god. They're only doing what every other southerner has been told to do. I just don't buy into it. I don't look down on people who believe in it. But I have very serious doubts about its legitimacy, and find it convenient that it teaches NOT to question it. now why would it do that???

>>1727221
>I have been trying to understand their POV for years
I knew a mormon guy who was talking to a muslim guy on a plane once. They were discussing religion (the mormon guy was in the full outfit so it was hard not to) and he apologized for not reading the Quran. The muslim guy basically told him not to bother reading it unless you could read it in the original language it was written in, since all the translations have been edited, warped, or misinterpreted through the years.

>>1728185
Oh yeah, that's another thing that makes me doubt. How many times has the bible been translated? How far down has it been passed? How in the world can you not believe that it hasn't been corrupted just like the muslim on the plane said his had been?

>>1728154
Who is your waifu?

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>>1728199
Also, if your God is so great why do roses have thorns?

>>1728057
Preach

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God bless you all

>>1728213
>>1728203
I like how you can belittle me and stuff but you can't actually answer any of the questions or tell me where to find answers. They're not crazy, silly questions like "can god make something so heavy he can't lift it". They're questions concerning the actual history of the religion itself. The reason all you can do is spout fedora memes is because you don't actually KNOW what you believe, you only believe what you've been told to. So you don't actually have any substance to your faith other than blind submissiveness, which is actually all your faith calls for, so it works in your favor. That's why I can't get behind it. I am a human on the planet Earth, and as far as I know, we're the only living beings with free will in this entire universe. So I choose not to spend my only chance at existence following something made up by a bunch of arabs trying to overcome social classes thousands of years before I was born.

>>1728230
But who is your waifu tho?

>>1728234
cute. you are a good example of your god's teachings

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>>1728230
People meme at you because no one gives a shit about your opinion

Now please post Christian webms or fuck off

>>1718342

The church pennant is the only pennant that can fly above the us flag.

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>>1728264
how very christian-like. So I guess the anons in this thread are the type that go to church or listen to church music just to feel good about themselves but are actually shit humans. Very well, here's an appropriate and accurate christian webm then:

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>>1712620
Here bby

>>1728230
Not those guys here.
Also, Southern Baptist here, so before you throw my opinion out, I'll let you know that there's way too many southern babtists that believe without knowing the "why" of our faith. As I see in your replies, your parents are likely not too far from that.

Recently, there was a thread on /adv/ about a Christian fellow who wanted to abandon his faith. I presented some pretty meaningful evidence (IMO) on why I believe what I do. I presented to him the topic of apologetics and provided biblical evidence as to why we suffer and the Christian remedy to that.
I wish I could show you, but the thread was archived

However, I highly recommend you look into apologetics
>Baptists are brainwashed as are all Christians
Maybe so, as that's about the only thing people said about me in that /adv/ thread, but my belief has become stronger as a result of apologetics

>>1728678
Found your thread, m8

http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/18389857/

>>1728961
Hey, thanks!
Hope that I provide at least some insight or good information in some way

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>>1724557
thomas f madden is not a pastor, just a historian

>>1728271
was this from during the election when the pope told journalists that writing fake news is like eating excrement?
I bet alex jones was pissed about that

>>1728199
Catholics and other Christians believe that Bible is the the word of God written down by those who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. The original latin and greek translations still exist as well as original Torah writings such as the Dead Sea scrolls which verify what we have today, as well as other non-biblical sources. The add to all of this, the Catholic Church oversees all it's official translations and makes sure it is in accordance with everything previously written.
I would also like to add, I'm not a theologian, so this is just my poor understanding of things, if any anon with a good grasp of religion would explain this better, I'd be more than happy.

>>1714667
>slightly different

That's just plain wrong. The core of our belief, the Holy Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ is not accepted in Islam, not to mention their belief in Muhamed as the final and most important prophet, which is revering a false prophet.
The matter in question is - the church was built by the Church and was made for the worship of the Holy Trinity, not for the worship of a false god, or a heretical interpretation of The Lord. It's the same as installing an idol of Baal in the first temple in Jerusalem.

>>1710323
show me the hot sauce

>>1726121
The Catholics are the same, we don't pray TO Mary and the saints, but we ask them to pray for us, as they are eternally in His grace.

>>1728057
What a commercialization of faith.

>>1730826
How silly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twL3v5r8s6o

some good christian songs

>>1728057
what the fuck is this shit
luther what have you done

>>1722994
If I ever go to NYC, Hillsong is my first stop.

>>1710323
stop fucking capitalizing everything reeeeeeeeee

>>1728678
I'll look into the stuff. I glanced through some wikipedia write-ups about it. The only thing I could really agree with is that "everyone should live as if God exists" because "everyone is betting with their lives on whether God exists or not". But as for a lot of the apologetics "types", like creation, philosophical, etc, a lot of it seemed like cop-outs. "Cosmological argument: Argues that the existence of the universe demonstrates that God exists". "Ontological argument – Argues that the very concept of God demands that there is an actual existent God." Etc. It just seems like, "well, here's a thing, so God must be real." I don't think it's that simple.

I watched a video from that archived thread and it had a guy showing where the Jews were conquered by Persia, and then adopted many of Persia's religious symbolism into their own religion, such as the idea of Satan, the apocalypse, etc. So Judaism borrowed from their conquerors, then much later Christianity broke off from them, then Islam, and kept going. Hell, Christianity was still adopting religious symbolism and warping it to suit their agenda all the way into the Viking era. Christmas was a Norse holiday, Santa is literally Odin, the Easter bunny is a pagan thing. On Easter Sunday, when church lets out and all the little kids go hunt eggs, sometimes AT CHURCH, they're literally practicing a pagan ritual at a Christian place of worship. Why would that be allowed to exist if Christianity was so pure and perfect? Why would they need to borrow from other religions they were trying to dissipate if their word was so true and real?
(to be continued...)

>>1731311
>>1728678

(continued...) And if there IS a god, why would he allow his core spreaders of his word to break up into 3 violently different groups? Because the same God is basically worshipped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, except each one has a radically different view of it. Why would he allow that? Why would he say "Ok, THIS is how it is, period. Live your entire life by it or burn in hell." and then allow his followers to break into 3 different groups and kill each other over their interpretations? Why would he allow them to live their ENTIRE LIVES and base the fate of their souls on wrong information???

The fact that Christianity and Islam stemmed from Judaism tells us that there was a common, local belief. And as human nature goes, some people disagreed on what it meant, and went off to form their own religion based on THEIR take on it. Sort of like liberals and conservatives fighting over the words of the founding fathers. Who is right? Someone HAS to be, or NO ONE is. I can't see how God would go through ALL THIS trouble, creating a universe, crafting it so that millions of different types of creatures all evolve perfectly to their environments over millions of years, give just ONE of the creatures free will and higher intellect, then let them exist for thousands of years to finally drop his word on them, and then let them veer off so drastically without giving them the decency of some clarification so that they don't waste their existence and souls on a misinterpreted lie.

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>>1731321
>Looking for answers on fucking 4chan

Go read some C.S. Lewis

>>1731447
fuckin whores man

>proddies
my sides

>>1712620
Are "Latin chants" the sounds of wailing alter boys you heathen fuck?

>>1731447
>I am the Grandmaster of the Blades. We serve the Emperor and the Septim bloodline. Talos is our patron.

>>1714667
From an objective standpoint what you're proposing is absolutely retarded which necessitates treating your own faith as being on the same level as other religions. It's self defeating no matter who you are, because then why be X if you're just going to say the other religions must be "just as good"?

>>1732726

What is happening here kek

>christcucks can't even stop themselves from arguing with other christcucks, let alone people that aren't

lol

Friendly reminder that the current head of Ethics in the Southern Baptist Comittee is a George Soros plant named Russel Moore, who's goal is the neuter the church until it becomes as irrelevant as the Church of England.

Someone should make a webm of anima christi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQviJeFiuXo

>>1712606
what song is this

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>>1734286
>being able to have a discussion on theology is a bad thing
>he takes every insult on a Mongolian weaving board seriously
>he doesn't believe in the one true God
>he wants to live without His comforting presence

W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D

>>1734441
Samuel Barbers "Agnus Dei" (Lamb of God)

>>1710323
Be still and know that we are gods.

>>1710323

I wish there weren't a million songs called "o lord" because this song kicks ass

>>1734021
Exorcism, yes people still do them

>>1734844
>>being able to have a discussion on theology is a bad thing

Interesting, seeing how this webm is in the thread
>>1714089

>>1735933
>with other christcucks

>>1735945
>i need an echo chamber and am afraid of talking to others in another abrahamic religion

interesting

>>1735933
>>1735947
>moving the goalposts

>>1735639
What are you, a fucking mormon?

>>1731321
>>1731311
Like >>1731447 said, I recommend you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. Good book. Maybe that'll give at least some insight into all of this

>>1731447
Lewisposting is best posting.

Good taste anon.

Channel is Lewis Doodle for anyone looking for more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_VYCqCexow

>>1728129
You twist things to suit your conclusions. You're making your own versions of the stories, then attacking them.
It's making a straw man of scripture.

>>1732409
Yep! Same voice actor. He's done quite a bit of Lewis' work, I think.

>>1725988
>> to be honest, fuck Islam.
agreed.

While christians haven't really been called to fight a holy war in the last few centuries and muslims have, it'd be for the best to remember that in the west, christian terrorism has been a much more common occurance than the islamic variant in the western countries until relatively very recently - the last two decades. If it wasn't for 9/11, they would still be behind christian fundies in bodycount, too.

>>1720326
Fr. Gregory Hesse.

>>1714858
Christ liked to do heroin and fuck dudes in the butt

>>1735270
>smart christians will inevitably find truth outside religion whenever they actually stop and think about shit instead of just spouting gospel

wow we sure showed those atheists

>>1728067
Hey guy. I just wanted to tell you that God is love itself. If you reject that love does not exist in this world I gotta tell you man you got it all backwards. All talk aside, science cannot prove nor disprove love, because it is unquantifiable, you can say that love does not exist, but that isn't going to change the fact that it does exist in the reality that you live in because, based on what I believe, it is a universal truth and so far, I've been right every time. God is also unquantifiable. Just saying that love is real. If you believe that the essence of love is real, then by comparison you believe that God is real. God is not a thing, he is an essence and so is love. It all starts with love. First ye seek the kingdom of love and his righteousness and all shall be added unto you. Switching out God with love because it's interchangeable according to 1 John 4:8
You can agree that love is righteous, love is good, and that love is even sacred. I'm also here to tell you that love is the source. There is nothing wrong with love if you have the biblical definition of its (His) character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdo4Eyw4DqM#t=19s

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD
HE REIGNS FROM HEAVEN ABOVE
WITH WISDOM POWER AND LOVE
OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD

>>1736351
Yes, love is intangible but exists.
How do you jump from that to "god is love itself"?

>>1736369
1 John 4:8

>>1736373
Im sure there are other doctrines from other religions that have similar passages
No need to get into the circular reasoning of "the bible has merit because the bible says so"

COME AND JOIN THE CELEBRATION
IT'S A VERY SPECIAL DAY
COME AND SHARE THE JUBILATION
THERE'S A NEW KING BORN TODAY
*yeah*

>>1736381
Well that's all I got bro. Praying for ya. Read about the characteristics of love and see if it matches your interpretation. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8

>>1736381
Same guy here. That's where faith comes into play btw

>>1736413
>>1736401
Its great to have faith in the readings that you grew up on.
How do you reconcile the fact that if you were born on another continent that you would believe something completely different, reading similar passages that appeal to our intangible emotions like love?

>>1736460
Romans 2:12-16
12 For all who have sinned [f]without the Law will also perish [g]without the Law, and all who have sinned [h]under the Law will be judged [i]by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers [j]of the Law who are [k]just before God, but the doers [l]of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have [m]the Law do [n]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having [o]the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

>>1736492
>a bible verse within the scope of your religion
>not a critical thought addressing other doctrines which will try to convince you of its merits in the same exact manners

I mean I guess I shouldnt be surprised, I just thought maybe there was a more concrete reason you have faith in the bible other than essentially "I was born into it".

>>1736524
Well in Islam, the Quran speaks of the Bibles authority, but on the other hand I was an athiest. I just believed bro. The pieces just started to just fall in place. I look at many testimonies of people who went to heaven and hell and from different religions. I have also seen its counterparts where people convert from Christianity to something else. I got saved when I was 18. 21 now. Still going strong. Just some food for thought. I even did research on the occult and things from their practices, and that made me believe stronger, because I also believe that magic is real. It's just demonically powered.

>>1736537
Well I grew up religious, heavily baptist family.
I lost faith when I searched for reasons "why" I should give authority to the bible and got nothing but circular reasoning and the "faith" option.

At times I want to believe again, but feel like I would be completely dishonest with myself if I were to. I still have the same reservations now that I did when I was still in the church.
Also I should probably make it clear that while I yes I responded to you, Im not >>1728067 and >>1728112.
I just found it interesting your take on God being love.

>>1736524
But hey, magic may not be real to you, but from the stories that I've heard, it just couldn't be made up. For example, we have ghosts. According to the bible there are no such things as ghost, but spirits who come as angels of light who come to do nothing but steal, kill, and destroy. There are also 2 familiar spirits who follow you around tempting you to sin 24/7. So that person who got "delivered" from alcoholism, still has a familiar spirit tempting him to go back into that. Stories of dolls talking in with clairvoyance to a voodoo priestess as it were just a human about people that she didn't know, but the doll knew, and told them their troubles, their location, and even their names. Stories of demon summonings and spells that made people fall dead instantaneously. Stories of Satan taking over when a person is praying to another god. For example, a person in withcraft wants to summon a spirit (their is only a goddess who stands above all the other gods in their believe system) and lets say they want to summon the moon goddess (their highest god) and satan comes in instead. Necromancy where the demons communicate with other people's familiar spirits (familiar spirits are spirits who can intimately know your ways and can even talk like you) or in their terms speaking to the dead. According to my belief system. The dead are already judged. No purgatory false doctrines here. So then what are the necromancers speaking to? and why do they sound similar to the loved one that passed?

>>1736542
yeah bro thats fundamental in the christian faith. You just need to focus on His love bro. Nothing greater. and to add onto what I was saying about the occult too. It's also the fact that death spells for wiccans have no affect on satanists or christians. Christians because of the almighty power of the blood of Jesus, and for satanists is that if satans kingdom were divided against itself, how would it stand? I'm in deep bro.

>>1736542
Another thing, reasons why to give the bible authority, I just examined other religions and their things, and it makes sense. These aren't just some outright blatant contradictions, some aren't just compatible with the faith. It's just when I hear stories of satanists who can kill people in 21 days without a sweat unless they were a real christian. He was like, "if you're an athiest, you're dead", "if you were a jehovahs witness you're dead". He was just going ham on the other religions, but when he turned christian, he also claimed that Jesus was God (there are some people who are christians but don't believe that He's God and it's nerve wrecking). I hate to say it but I'd believe a converted satanist than anyone, because they know of the dark side of the coin and have done things that just shouldn't be possible. He even claims that the spiritual world is more real the oxygen we're breathing.

Why is that atheist dude here?

What is he searching for?

>>1736619
better question is why is some nut who believes in the occult in here

>>1736619
Retards keep responding to him

>>1736631
>not proselytizing the sinners

>>1735972
No they wouldn't. There were what, maybe a few dozen people killed by Christian terrorists in living memory as far as western nations are concerned? Just the Bataclan puts Islam over the top, to say nothing of Nice, Orlando, San Bernadino, etc. I'm not counting explicitly politically motivated incidents in there, though. If someone who commits an act of terrorism and is incidentally Christian (ie. Timothy McVeigh, who was a lapsed Catholic but still believed in god) or ties their beliefs up with political aims ("The federal government is run by devil-worshipers so whatever we do is justified and righteous") then I'm not putting them on the list with people who bomb abortion clinics out of personal spiritual conviction or who drive trucks into crowds of tourists because killing non-believers gets you GBP and a free pass to heaven.

>>1712453
we truly are the only great religion.

>>1712608
we elected the wrong black

>>1736624
Just because you don't believe the occult that doesn't mean that it doesn't exists. It's like saying "why is some nut here who believes in chairs?" It's stupid sentence.

>>1736687
Jordan Peterson is Christian?

What an amazing man

>>1737139
This post makes no sense.
Whether something is true, and whether it physically "exists" is two different things.

Clearly the implication of "some nut who believes in the occult in here" was that magic and the occult on the whole is obviously a bunch of made up garbage. Thats a pretty normal stance religious or not.

To retort with ". It's like saying "why is some nut here who believes in chairs?" " makes no sense at all.
The implication that magic is made up has nothing to do with if a bunch of schizophrenic sinners actually believe something in their mind. Whether they write fanfiction and draw pictures of it.
There are writings/movies/stories and other physical things pertaining to leprechauns.
Leprechauns "exist" in that way, but in no way are they "true" and live or exist in the real world.

>>1736316
>inevitably find truth outside religion
>instead of just spouting gospel

Because they're contributing their knowledge in science and mathematics for the sake of humanity not for being an edgy man who thinks he can create his own universe by himself .

>>1737242
>for the sake of humanity

IE outside of the gospel. Why do you need math and science when you have prayer?

>>1737234
Stuff can't be made up garbage if it actually happened.

>>1737277
I was abducted by aliens and probed back in the late 90s.

Post or comment on webms or fuck off

This isnt a fucking debate thread

>>1737284
What you permit, you promote
You arent a christian if you literally think that occult and other magic is literally real. He is WHY Christians have such a bad reputation.

>>1737242
>not for being an edgy man who thinks he can create his own universe by himself
you have described literally no-one except maybe comic book villains and Rick Sanchez from that ever popular adult swim show.

>>1737307
You can't just call peoples experience and testimonies worthless. And besides I said magic demonically powered. You lack knowledge.

>>1737328
So obviously you think possesions , exorcisms are real and needed too?
I hope you understand that your beliefs put you very clearly into the fringe sects of Christianity, the ones that most people brush off as retarded . The ones that give Christianity a black eye to everyone else.

Glad you twisted and turned the faith to fit you delusions of modern day demons and magic. Just don't expect people to respect you, much like I don't give much creedance to a homeless schizofrenic who sits on the corner of the street preaching nonesense

>it's a cross over /x/ & /hs/ episode

>>1737343
We preach the Word, not the occult. Besides you're denying the entire kingdom of darkness and all of its entirety. If we believe that angels are real so are demons, which are here only to steal kill and destroy, and they do it systematically and professionally by sending spirits of unbelief, prostitution, drug abuse, and even murder to cities and sections all over the world. It's best not to ignore the very thing God wants us to fight against with prayer, into, its just a bunch of garbage. And that is the real enemy, Satan.

>>1737369
>>1737369
>>1737369
>. If we believe that angels are real so are demons

Do you actually believe you have an angel on your shoulder telling you the right and wrong thing to do?
Existence and existence in our mortal world are two different things. But obviously with your love interest in the occult you dont want that to be so.

Have you charmed any poisonous snakes recently?

>>1737328
It's simple. If someone experiences stuff like demonic possession (or even thinks I hears voices, even god or jesus himself) they should get medical help, since this is always caused by either a mental illness or another medical disorder.

And then there indeed are exorcisms (especially catholic countries still to this crap). Priests involved in acts of exorcism and superstition like that should be arrested and charged with assault and battery, since they prevented sick people to get the necessary help they needed and instead participated in some weird hocus pocus that doesn't help anybody beside their churches and even caused some deaths.

>>1737378
I'm only interested in the occult because they're the people that least get preached to. If you try to understand where they're coming from, it opens you to tell them contradictions or discrepancies involved with the occult and convert them. The only way to take people away from the kingdom of darkness is converting them to the kingdom of light. Jesus is the truth, the way, and the light, and that light is not only holy and sacred, but it harmonizes perfectly with love, God's love. It also says in the bible that love is understanding. (its in 1 Corinthians 13). I want people in the occult to convert to biblical Christianity, not destroying people lives with spells and such.

>>1737390
You're looking at the majority of occurrences for "demon possession" not the actual ones. No there is no good angel and bad demons on my shoulders, I have a conscience like you. who knows the difference between right and wrong. I just want to enlighten people of the source of that goodness to salvation in Christ Jesus.

>>1719874
Maybe you should watch the interview where he talks about jews and usury for 2 hours, then.

>>1713139
truly a miracle of God!

>>1737470
>destroying people's lives with spells

>>1728270
lol I can imagine you furiously looking through your folder for the NVIDIA poop webm, then smashing your fingers on the keys renaming it "christianity" thinking to yourself "HAH, that will show them!!"

May God bless you, anon.

>>1737509
They can kill them with em too. Which is the scary part.

>>1712599
i know the song is agni parthene but can't find the full song online, sauce?

>>1737220
Not in any recognizeable way. It's all metaphor for human psychology to him.

>>1737532
>They can kill them with em too. Which is the scary part.

Whats more scary is that people who actually believe this walk our streets unchecked.

>>1737580
Whats worse is people believing they're fine with unrepented sin.

>>1721309
>ywn heard this chant before embarking on a crusade to take back the holy lands
Why even live?

Nice webms guys...

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>>1719874
that's ironic because I believe that clip is from an youtube video titled 'jewish capitalism'

>>1737834
Nice webms guy

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>>1736687
Peterson doesn't do justice to the concept of Logos

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>>1710323

>>1737580
what's scary is that prayer is sort of like casting a spell. You're summoning and asking an all powerful being to grant you good fortune, health, or strength in return for worship and obedience.

>>1737575
Just straight up lying like this...

>>1738093
>asking an all powerful being to grant you good fortune, health, or strength

You're so lost

>>1713518
this thread is good. God is good.

>>1713518
Pure class

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If someone wants to make the next thread, you can do it whenever. And Thanks for filling this thread to bump limit.

>>1738246
He converted from the occult to Christianity only 2 years ago
Can you blame him for being so misguided?

>Arguing with Christians in their own thread
Man leave em alone, I'm atheist as fuck but I get the concept of religious fervor and how it can help people live better lives.
As far as I'm concerned this has to do with neuroplasticity, if you don't get religion you just won't get it and vice versa.
There will always be misunderstandings but not every religious person is an ISIS fanatic.
Besides some of this music is pretty nifty.
Also you need to be able to separate culture from religion, traditions shift from one to the other.

Take solace in the possibility that religion will probably be a thing of the past one day but for the people who are religious now I can see why atheism is upsetting. Just hang with your own people, or move to Europe if you are offended by them.

>>1738777
No one here converted from the occult. As I said earlier I'm just interested in the occult because the people their are the least preached too. The only way to combat the kingdom of darkness is by converting them to the kingdom of light. "With love and kindness I have drawn thee" (Jerimiah 31:3). Love is understanding ( 1 Corinthians 13). In order to love them we have to understand where they are coming from and use biblical wisdom to discern what to say them. Mostly just spiritual milk of God's love. Everyone's a candidate to be a citizen of heaven. Look at Dismas for example, he's regarded as a saint in the catholic church. (I personally believe that everyone's a saint in Jesus Christ). The guy who you responded to is just lost. I want to hit Satan right where it hurts. By converting them to the kingdom of light we can lessen a lot of things because as I said before, satanists are more organized than church members and what they do is they send demonic spirits of the land. By getting rid of these people to not only abondon the worship of satan, but also to fight against the very spirits that they once used to decrese the chance temptation and increase the chance of salvation by preaching the Word. we can solve a lot of problems that stir up in the community.

>>1721311
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just noticing the jew nose... lol makes what he sings about sound perfect coming from a jew

>>1739845
see
>>1712411

>>1712588
based prot

>>1712608
damn wow, saved

>>1715768
Shame he's a heretic.

>>1712588
fuck the faggots desu senpai

>>1738072
Who is this guy?
Source?

>>1734286
Discourse is healthy. It lets us look inwards, instead of blaming 'infidels' and waging jihad on innocent people to put the fear of Allah in them

>>1743123
E. Michael Jones
That's from the Goy Guide to World History

>>1744355
thank you :)

>>1738072
>Comparing this intellectual lightweight to Peterson

>>1712608
fucking hell I thought moderators debating the debaters was a recent thing but apparently not.

Will I have to make the next thread? Or will someone else do it?