Aviation

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>>1697820
Ok

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Here is a Lockheed Super Constellation on the takeoff roll, throttling up it's four Wright R-3350 engines to produce 3250 hp each.

You'll notice that when the propellers pass abeam the camera they will sound quite loud. This is because the propeller tips are breaking the sound barrier, giving the propeller a sharp, loud sound rather than a hum. When a propeller spins, different parts of the blade are spinning at different speeds. To clarify, the blades are rotating at the same rate (revolutions per minute), but the individual sections are experiencing different velocities. At the propeller hub (center of rotation), the relative velocity is the lowest because the distance the inner portion of the blade travels is short. But, since the blade spins at a uniform RPM, the outer portion of the blade travels a further distance (longer arc), experiencing a different relative velocity.

At full power the tips can break the sound barrier, which increases the noise and decreases propeller efficiency, but the overall power output is the highest.

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>>1697862
Why do you go out of your way to intentionally botch the labeling of these aircraft

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>>1697889
All I wanted to do was make a nice thread on aviation man

Why do you have to fuck it up

>>1697878
ah God rocketry is so fucking cool

>>1697843
Kansas City use to have a functional Connie at our TWA museum but their technician that was qualified for it went to jail for vehicular manslaughter so now it sits in the hanger hidden away. It's good to see that some other companies are restoring them now.

Fuck it

>>1697869
Oh wow, that's awesome! Any more U2 clips?

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>>1697951
I'm naming all my files right now, if I find anymore I'll be sure to post them. Have to search through all my webms.

>>1697885
>Bell 206B
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not an A-10

>>1697948
>P-51

Stop that right now

>>1697934
>AH-64 lowers collective
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not a harrier.

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Come on back, OP. Last thread was really good.

>>1697938
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not an F-15.....
or a broken sound barrier.

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P-26 is cute.

>>1697943
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that's not an F-16....
or a stall.

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*BRRRTing in Russian*

>>1697948
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure your fuck'n with me right now.

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>>1697978
You give me hope.

Here is another Super Constellation taking off.

Not only does it look cool, but there is a reason flames are shooting out of the exhaust.

A piston engine works through a cycle of compression, combustion, and expansion of a fuel/air mixture inside a cylinder, moving a piston which drives a crankshaft. Now, in a piston aircraft (barring newer FADEC-controlled engines), the pilot or flight engineer can adjust the mixture, or the fuel-air ratio inside the cylinder. This in turn can vary the efficiency of the combustion inside the cylinder. At the proper stoichiometric fuel-air ratio of 1:14.7, the burn is the most efficient. However, the more efficient the burn the hotter the temperatures, so the flight engineer purposefully runs the engine rich (more fuel than is necessary) in order to keep the cylinder head temperatures in an acceptable range. This results in fuel still being burnt as it exits the exhaust. Kind of ironic: the fuel is used to cool the cylinders

>>1697955
Yep, he's fuck'n with me.

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>>1697991
You don't have to save my webms with my filename. You should know the names of these aircraft's anyway if you care to save them.

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>>1697988
Beautiful. Connies and Super Connies are some of my favorites.

>>1698002
Why are you shitting up my thread

I'd rather you not post at all than post misinformation.

>>1698002
I'm not the OP. And I'm no expert on arrowplanes.

Aight I'm out.

>>1698022
Wish I had more to post. And I wish that other anon hadn't fucked up the thread.

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KC's Connie back in the day.

>>1698044
Me gusta

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>>1697951
takeoff clip

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>>1697962
Troll game is on point 10/10

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>>1698002
Can't you report him or something? The stupid cat thread got 4chan to delete my post of a cat getting kicked and 4chan sent me a warning. So there must be a way. Hey Shitposter, go fuck with the cat thread. I dare you.

>>1698066
He's not shitposting. His posts are all relevant to the thread, and most of them are actually decent. Don't feed the troll and he'll go away.

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>>1698128
F18, jesus christ.

>>1698140
K, after
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>>1698139
I know I'm being fucked with.

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reminder that the tomcat is opfor

>>1697988
lmao i flew at that airport today

>>1697842
Watch yo' jet bro

>>1698060
I don't understand the point of just lying about what planes they are, I'm sure his folders are confusing.

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>>1698190
I don't have any folders. I just search the name I want. Have to get around to making folders for stuff soon though.

some people go out of their way to post bullshit because that is what they are

>>1698297
do you happen to have the source for this video?

nice new thread shame about the 101/150 image limit.

>>1697942
Lufthansa's restoring one that used to be at an airport in Maine.

>>1698184
They knew the fuck'n thing was designed to bounce. Why the hell was he so low?

>>1697842
ah-64
>doing any type of acrobatics

OH GOD THE MAINTENANCE AFTERWARDS

>>1698023
>AH-64

FUCK RIGHT OFF

>these filenames
Fuck you Anon.

>>1698342

Good job Kid, we look great!

>>1697820
Oh nice Lake Hood love. At a glance it looks like the McGee livery but after pausing the video it just ain't so. Still a nice clip though.

>>1697934

Wait they got that shit heap to finally carrier launch without falling in the ocean?

>>1697838
>Inverting in a MkIX

Well there's your problem.

>>1698200
i love how this fa is so astetic

>>1698231
>F-35 Lightning II Completes DT-II Aboard USS Dwight D Eisenhower - YouTube

>>1697843
>that Dallas Cowboys livery

>>1698200
So you remember the incorrect name, then?

>>1698116
Happily, that was only an RC. Shitty about the loss, but at least nobodies life was in danger.

>>1697869
wtf? Are the rear wheels polyurethane?

>>1698055
Fuckin R2 over here.

>>1698086
Those arw F-14's dipshit

>>1706694
*are

>>1707673
Holy shit, that gave me a hearty chuckle.

>>1710798
Lost

>>1707673

Isn't that illegal?

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Top Gun, circa 2077

>>1711272
Well when you have an engine failure and it's either a street or some building....

>>1711272
No, the light was green.

>>1711272
500ft rule doesn't apply during landings, take offs or emergencies.

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>>1697820
Here ya go

>>1697864
pls stop misnaming the aircraft, i enjoy the webms but holy shit am i triggered

>>1697889
>2 billion dollar stealth plane
>fuel port rusts
wew

>>1700986
nah, the vid just cuts short before it does

>>1697972
What aircraft is that?

>>1698004
Whats happening here? Can some kind anon explain it to me?

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>>1697934
I`m confused I thought the entire point was that it do vertical takeoff and landing? Why do this?

>>1716176
taking off vertically requires you to carry fewer weapons and carry less fuel because it's heavy it was like this for all vtol aircraft. they can do it in a pinch but they don't if they don't have to. stovl is better and you can take off from small gator carriers like this or short unimproved airstrips

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>>1716211
The plane in that video is the F-35C, the Navy version. The Marine version (F-35B) is the only one that can take off vertically. The Navy one is designed to be catapult launched and has more room for fuel/weapons because it doesn't have the vertical lift fan in the front.

>>1716173
They're landing without gear.

>>1716340
When I said that video, I meant this one:
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>>1698289
Who is playing this version of knocking on heavens door?

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>>1697865
What's up? Aren't the names here correct? Damnit, and I'd saved them all with filenames intact.. and I suck at typing aircraft

>>1698055
Why does it make that sound? I bet that sounds real awesome irl, damn

>>1698103
That's borderline erotic

(What's up with the retard posting erroneous filenames. It serves no purpose except weakening the threads. He might as well spampost spiderman)

>>1711300
Jesus christ, I don't know what I want more; a ship like that or Andrea Riseborough as an unconditionally loving wife.

>>1716152
The sound in this is ridiculous

>>1698342
Fucking Yuke bastards

>>1720202
I'm pretty sure that whining noise is from the barrels of the fitted guns. Im not an expert so keep in mind that i may be wrong.

>>1721819
Hmm, that makes sense though. A whole lot of turbulent and powerful airflow around those gun muzzles, after all.

>>1720202
the 50 cals also happen serve as giant flutes

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F-16
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B-1B Lancer
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Hawker Hunter
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F-15

>>1716340
Not true at all. That's an F-35B. The F-35C does not have any S/VTOL capability.

>>1698284
The Sabre is such a sexy plane man.

>>1698175
holy fuck I had a panic attack waiting for the ejection

>>1722016
That's what I said. I clarified in my second post that I was talking about the second video he quoted, which clearly shows the F-35C being catapult launched and trap recovered on a CVN carrier. The first video he quoted also shows a C, only the third one is a B.

>>1722588
What's this shit ??

>>1722691
Something the Dr.I could actually pull off.

The Dr.I was Dante Must Die difficult to fly, but had crazy amounts of agility. Now combine the endless possibilities of stunts you can make with an fighter ace.

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>>1721819

You're right anon, I saw a video where a guy explained it and took one of those PSI air blower pens and blew it over the barrels, replicating the sound.
Good on you.

>>1720202
sounds like the supercharger in my opinion

>>1698056
This is not an ME-262

>>1697838

I'm pretty sure those engines will stall with negative g's...

going upside down -> dead engine

>>1697926

>Getting it caught in the zip

>>1697988
that's one beautiful webm anon, saved

>>1720202
I've always heard it's the machineguns yeah

>>1703031
Fuck, never realised that, my sides

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this thread is seriously making me mad

>>1697820
i'm not that much into planes, but there's just something about this sound that feel so good

>>1711407
kek

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Anons like that are probably the ones who ruin the sim threads on /vg/.

Autists who probably had no friends when they were younger ruin everything

>>1698184
oh hell! what an awful failure mode. I hadn't heard about that test failure before.

>>1699597
you make it sound like they're delicate sunflowers

>>1726288
Not him, but oh.. they won't -break- (like delicate sunflowers).
They're just not built to do stuff like that. It doesn't mean they can't handle it, but it does mean that it'll strain and wear a whole lot of parts differently/more, which will lead to pricier and more time-consuming maintenance (mostly due to severe wear, but also due to being atypical).

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>>1726098
I'm a sucker for good audio. I get so bent out of shape when people add music to videos of aircraft because each one makes their own distinct noise. Smooth and clean sounds from a turboprop, rough and powerful from radials, and mean and loud from jets. They all sound great to me

Have a F+W C-3605 "Schlepp", an aircraft designed to tow airborne targets for the Swiss military in the 1970s and 1980s. It started with a conventional heavier piston engine but was converted to use a Lycoming T53 turbine engine for economic purposes (and better hot/high altitude performance). The turbine engines are much lighter compared to the piston engine it replaced, so in order to keep the center of gravity within limits they extended the nose by 6 feet. It also sounds fantastic

>>1727602
Jesus christ, I love your posts, man. I want you to know I appreciate every one of them, and would love to read about spergy aviation facts and info for hours and hours. (..mostly because I know next to nothing about it).

Totally agree about the sound bit!

>>1698103

I love it when the Blue Angles get so acute like that

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>>1727619
Thank you, I really enjoy talking about anything aviation. If you got any questions or interests, fire away, and if I find a good relevant videos I'll make some webms.

>>1697889
Lewd

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Bonus for the AC fans here

>>1697889
For Christ's sake man, name them correctly.
>B2 Spirit

Buncha whiny bitches in this thread huh

>>1727955
Nice contribution

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bump

>>1724579
>upside down = negative g's
You know what a 1g loop is right?

>>1727871
you fell for bait

>>1697967
Reminds me of Avatar when they whack that big Tree ^^

>>1724579
>going upside down -> dead engine
Not on a spitfire no. The guy just miscalculated the room he had to do the maneuver.

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>>1698261
what song? fucc

>>1711407
underrated post

>>1716103
what happened after?

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>>1697926
Alright I think this one annoys me the most

I am looking for a specific Webm, similar to
>>1727666

It's a video of a bush pilot coming around a hill and doing a STOL on a gravel bar the cameraman is standing on, and is usually posted with the above vid. My dad always wanted to be a bush pilot and he would get a kick out of both

>>1726138
Sorta can't tell if thats a video game or not.

>>1700171
>: floatplane takeoff.webm (
Well yeah. The truck got the plane up to take off speed

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most aesthetic close air support platform still in use

>>1733364
Where do they still fly the Bronco?

>>1733458
phillipines, currently pounding ISIS/maute with them in marawi

Why no vulcan posters in this thread, i miss them

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>>1732558
Here ya are my man, a C-182P havin a good time out in the wild. The dude who makes these videos (motoadve on youtube) has lots more like it, and uses an interesting HUD-style AoA indicator to get those slow approaches just right

>>1732507
He made a deadstick landing. He's lucky; the engine almost broke free from it's mounts, which would've made the aircraft literally impossible to fly. I believe most if not all of them fly with a bailout parachute just in case.

>>1698004
are does flares???

>>1698175
>Stealth realy aerodymanics sucks!

Also, to the guy changing the filenames. You are my hero.

>>1716152
I can hear "boludos!" coming from that A-4

>>1697997
>not posting with sound
Have a source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4LOGfuuugc

>>1733816
Cheers mate! I didn't realize it was the same guy doing both vids. I'm going to send that channel to my dad right away!

>>1727849

Are these the fault of the pilots, ground crews, or manufacturers?

>>1727852

Go home, Dmitry, you're drunk.

>>1722588
>D E J A V U

I've just been in this place before!

>>1734311
Trick question! None of them.

It is a design flaw. The aerodynamic forces interfere with the weapon release, causing them to pitch and yaw (sometimes into the aircraft). This is due to the aerodynamic circulation about the wing causing the nose of the munition to rise, but others just get sucked into different flow patterns around the aircraft. Just like if two ships sail parallel and close to each other, they risk being pulled together because of the interaction of the water stream between them. This is why they always test a new bomb or missile release with an inert round!

>>1714573
>2 billion dollar stealth plane
>still no refueling autopilot
This is getting ridiculous.

>>1697967
>*connection to server has been lost*

>>1734400
Autopilots do some weird things sometimes. Its a system just like any other, and if it fails during in-flight refueling shit will hit the fan at breakneck speeds.

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>>1734407
Following plane is one of those tasks that is super easy for autopilot but hard for human. All planes are fly-by-wire now anyway, so it doesn't change anything.

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>>1734415
Formation flight is literally never done on autopilot. Fly by wire just means that the pilots inputs are registered and transmitted electrically rather than through cables, pushrods, or hydraulics. The pilot issues the commands, therefore it is still "hand flying".

Formation flying is extremely difficult for an autopilot because the required control inputs are based upon an external visual reference. Current autopilot inputs use computer commands and air data computer/AHRS information, not a visual reference. You have to use experience, reflex, and intuition to understand what the lead aircraft is going to do (think ahead of HIS aircraft, not just your own), then adjust your flight path to match it. It is incredibly precise work

>>1734432
Or just put some IR LEDs on the ass of the tanker plane and let the computer do all the work with the mathematical precision beyond the grasp of man. That has been done even on DIY level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQrVQ-wpUfM

>>1734432
>british aviadion radio comm
Damn, that's sexy

>>1716173
>>1733857
There's no landing gear, so they belly landed and the lights you see are sparks. the broken props are dead giveaways

>>1698044
WHAAOOOO
WOOOOAAAAAHHHH

>>1726316
Is that true?
Suddenly I feel bad for my erratic flying in BF2 lols

>>1734644
Yeah choppers are fairly high maintenance. (Especially military ones, I think, because of the higher focus on power yield, and the consequent stress on the parts. Not sure, though.)
Mechanics are experienced with very frequent kinds of parts repair and maintenance, so if you do something really crazy, it might throw them off a bit.

As for crazy flying in BF2, damn I guess I'm guilty too
>"Falcon eight, tower. You are cleared for flying the 18 million dollar plane upside-down under a bridge. Over."

>>1734647
>when some noob rolls the million dollar attack heli off the carrier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XyF2r1wBbk

fuck i'm having ptsd flashbacks now

>>1698103
>fly by wire

Into the trash it goes, patriotism is the only reason people enjoy them.

>>1698116
>huehuehuehue, Santos Dumont veio primeiro, gri-AaAAAeEEeHOOoOOOOOoOOOOOOOoOOOOOoO

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>boreposting
Hopefully someone likes this webm.

>>1697938
As impressive as that is, is it actually useful in a dogfight?

>>1702887
>but at least nobodies life was in danger
That was a 100 kg RC plane. That's 100 kg of debris, could have potentially hurt someone if it had ripped above the crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yf_QTbDeWM
These retards had no idea what they were doing when they built that thing.

>>1736174
Bloody hell, I didn't know it was that big. Damn..

>>1736185
Some people really go nuts with RC jets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akoJ2zBwX1o
A lightweight person could probably ride on one of those, it would probably need an extra engine or two but it would be feasible

The worst thing when people crash these massive RC jets is the ridiculous amounts of money that go down the toilet. Just the quad engines on that 747 are easily 10.000 dollars.

>>1717549

I saw 3 B-2s fly over my house last week. It was pretty cool to see

>>1736168
Oh yes, very useful.
Pretty simple logic behind this: slow down, enemy zooms by, boom.

Bamp

>>1697938
What's this maneuver called, again?

>>1716156

prolly a kate

>>1744009
It's called Pugachev's Cobra.

>>1746334
The Pugachev doesn't yaw like that.

>>1744009
Dougie the Cobra

>>1736168
No. Visually its a neat maneuver, but it has little value in an actual fight.

>>1739772
It's great, the adversary exposes a massive target area, closes the relative distance, and burns all of his kinetic energy in one fantastic fuckup. It's the perfect maneuver to lose the fight.

>>1748083
>burns all of his kinetic energy
Enemy is already dead by that time. Stop using this retarded argument already. Even real pilots tell you that having more energy will never save you from a missile up your ass. Having the capability to make radical turns will always be better than not having it. Pure fucking logic.

>>1697859
Yeah thats a Hawker Hunter. Not a Mig-21.

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contributing

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>>1749949
I am a pilot, and I can tell you that energy management is the most important thing you can learn and practice in an aircraft. The only situation where thrust vectoring can come in handy is in an offensive guns-only situation, and even then its a last resort.

If you're referencing some fucking Tom Cruise Cobra-type maneuver, its a defensive situation, meaning the enemy is already behind you, and if you lose the ability to pull away from his line of fire you will get shot. An accelerated stall in that scenario means you're gonna get lit up in a hurry.

All that being said, a missile will be able to turn tighter than any aircraft and nowadays can shoot in just about every direction, both in an offensive and defensive situation. The ability to point your nose (the whole reason for thrust vectoring) is useless with helmet-mounted targeting capability.

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>>1750508
>energy management is the most important
>posts the aim-9x
Yeah, no. It's not ww2 era anymore. Shooting first is the most important thing because of missiles like that. And even though they have off-boresight capability, the better angle you get, the higher kill probability will be. Missile bleeds it's own energy and wastes time to turn like that. There are situations when you need energy, but then there can be a lot of situations where it's already useless and you have to attack right now or be killed. There were even a project for backward fired missiles to quickly attack the tailing aircraft without turning. Supermaneuverability basically gives you this option for free, if situation allows loosing some airspeed after enemy is already defeated. Then again, emergency afterburner nowdays go up to 1.3-1.45 TWR, so you are back on track in few seconds.
On the other hand WVR situations are not supposed to happen too often, because of said missiles and modern radars.

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>>1750808
They put a gun on the plane for a reason. Nowadays almost all air to air engagements will be settled with missiles, typically beyond visual range. But when it comes to a gunfight, energy management becomes paramount. Jet aircraft do not fly at sea level for long; jet engines prefer the low ambient temperatures at higher altitudes to improve efficiency. However as they climb in altitude, they suffer a loss in thrust as the air density decreases. This loss in air density also results in sluggish control response, a significantly lower thrust to weight ratio (acceleration capability), and stall recovery is much more difficult. Performance is heavily reduced.

While thrust vectoring can assist with the control response (specifically pitch), it does so in a manner that places the aircraft in an accelerated stall. A stall at altitude requires an aircraft to pitch down and lose lots of altitude regaining that energy back, and if you pitch up too quickly during the recovery you will enter a secondary stall and fuck yourself further.

If you've ever wondered why most dogfight turn out to be a constant spiral, starting at altitude and spiraling down to terminate much lower, there is a reason. As the offensive aircraft tries to turn into his opponent (and defensive tries to pull away from the line of fire), the increased load and AoA causes both aircraft to lose airspeed. They use the acceleration of gravity (and a high power setting) to offset this kinetic energy loss, resulting in a loss of altitude. Dogfights are all about energy management

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>>1750994
>They put a gun on the plane
Never ever used, not in real life. Afaik they even wanted to remove cannons from 5th gen fighters as useless weight, but then left them only because of the f-4 meme.
>dogfight turn out to be a constant spiral
Only in training where they practise gun on gun scenario. When they train with missiles it almost always end up in BVR. You spot the enemy, you try to shoot first, end of story. WW2 dogfight era is gone, dude. If you don't have better missiles with longer range and high off-boresight capability, or can't shoot first, you are dead no matter how many energy you have. There is a tiny chance that modern ECM and DIRCM will bring air combat to closer ranges, but that's it.

File: F-22 vs Dassault Rafale BFM.webm (4MB, 854x480px) Image search: [Google]

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>>1751150
Well consider an engagement between adversaries not equipped with with a helmet-mounted cuing system, as most operators in the world cannot afford a $400,000 helmet and the associated software for every plane in their fleet. Even for short-range missile engagements this skill and technique is absolutely necessary. A helmet-mounted cuing system is also a system like any other, and as such is subject to failure. The other guy in the fight isn't gonna stop if your helmet bugs out, so you have to know what to do.

I wish I could make a webm out of these, but the current program I use limits me to a certain initial file size. These videos (and the others on his channel) demonstrate these fighting techniques, and if you are patient and watch them, they really exemplify the finesse and intuition it takes to properly fight and survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiYXCvutRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUXVzOp--4

Pic related, an F-22 losing in a BFM training flight to a Dassault Rafale. The F-22 did not manage his energy as he should have, and use thrust vectoring to get his nose back down to try and regain some energy. He succeeded in recovering his energy, but lost the fight and a lot of altitude. The F-22 has some incredibly powerful engines and thrust vectoring ability, but if you have no airspeed and keep placing the aircraft in an accelerated stall, the other guy is gonna kill you.

>>1751769
But it's still a gun's only training they do for the standard bfm routine as I mention before. Sure, it's essential for pilots to know as a backup measure, but it never happens in real life. All planes in Middle Eastern conflicts were taken out long before any WVR dogfighting. And with 4+/5 gen and better missiles it will be even less possible to happen.

>>1752248
It isn't a guns-only fight, he has a lock. Ideally the fight will be settled using medium range radar-guided missiles in a BVR situation, but as missile technology improves so do countermeasures. You can only carry so many AMRAAMs

>as a backup measure, but it never happens in real life
This idea that failures and malfunctions never happen has killed a lot of pilots.

damn, image limit has finally been hit

>>1732440

>my butthole is erect

>>1751150
Looks like Kracko from Kirby.

>>1700171
That is some Alaska red neck engineering

>>1752310
should have shot down the plane

Nearly every fucking dipshit get's the name of a plane, helicopter or otherwise wrong.

>>1698051
The SR-71 is a miracle of 1960's engineering capability and you sully the spirit of the people who worked hard to create it by shitting up this thread

Nigger.