Communist thread!

>>1612383
You're all cancer.

The reality is that communism has been shown to fail, constantly.

Maybe among insects it works.
But not among men.

>>1612395
>Saddam
>communist
?

>>1612383
Because communism doesn't work.

>>1612496
holy shit my sides, source

>>1612395
Saddam was a socialist

>>1612383
the mistake you made was thinking communism isn't /pol/ trash as well

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gonna dump some shit

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>>1613084

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>>1613086

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>>1613087

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>>1613090

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OC

>We have like 3 /pol/ related thread on /wsg/, why don't we have something different

Because commies are sub human, fit only for gallows.

>>1613249
not an argument

>>1612383
>>1612383
I almost cried

>>1613238
song sauce?

>>1613576
Unlimited spark - t+pazolite

Anyone else like communism but hate communists?

/leftypol/ memes are fucking weak
Make good content shitlords.

>>1613589

No, I just hate anarkiddies

>>1613087
>people buy things

holy shit stop the presses time for a proletariat revolution to stop this kind of behavior

lol i dont get whats bad about communism?
is it because it can never truly happen or what, isnt it based around like equal sharing and shit.

>>1616405
It's not sharing when it's enforced with violence. Charity is an inherently capitalist phenomenon because it involves giving the product of your labour, whether it be currency or goods, to somebody in need as an act of generosity and compassion. In a communist society if you decide you want to keep something for yourself then the mob turns up at your door and takes it.

>>1616039
one isreali shekel has been deposited in your account

>>1612395
How long will it take for people to realize that the ME needs leaders like Saddam and Assad to keep the things in check? Their beautiful countries were turned to absolute shit when their authority was taken away, no thanks to the globalist elites. I don't think anyone would turn down trading ISIS for the return of pre-2003 Saddam/Iraq.

>>1613087
Pretty powerful vid desu.

Gonna share it. Our consumer culture is disgusting.

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You'll get yours.

>>1612383
Fuck you communist faggot, fuck cultural marxism

>>1617172
look out there's a real badass here

>>1617163
beautiful

>>1612383
>We have like 3 /pol/ related thread on /wsg/, why don't we have something different for a change.
Communism is /pol/ related though, so now there's 4 /pol/ threads. Good job.

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>>1612383
>>1612386
>>1612391
>>1612395
>>1613084
>>1613085
>>1613087
>>1613090

>>1616405
>>1616969
except communism isn't meant to be charity. It is based on the collective ownership of the means of production, meaning the products are made by and belong to the collective as a whole.

>>1617163
what message is this webm trying to convey?

>>1617163

Why is the Canadian maple there?

Canada was built on blood and war

>>1612383

/leftypol/ again shows that they are incapable of creating their own memes and instead just take /pol/ memes and insert communism.
Many such cases!
SAD!

>>1617134
anyone who is interested in ME knows about this, but the goal of the US administration is not to keep peace and prosperity in ME but to control it

>>1617172

Lmao, what the fuck even is cultural Marxism?

>>1618127

Marxism that substitutes class politics with identity politics.

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>>1617163
how autistic

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>>1618127
it's a buzzword that stupid right wingers use for "things i don't like"

>>1613087
oh no they're exploiting these children in the third world who would literally be starving to death if not for the money they get from being exploited

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>>1612383

>>1619505
>the bourgeoisie

>>1617306
source

>>1612383
Would you like to go for a helicopter ride OP?

>>1612383
Do you have the Webm of lazytown where robbie gets the free icecream?

>>1617870
The Dominion of Canada was, but ever since you got rid of the old flag you've become cucks. Fix yourselves.

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>>1619568
one of many

>>1617217

Except anybody that has been here longer than a month, or even anybody who has seen /pol/ for a few seconds knows that "/pol/" is just out-and-out shorthand for our specific home-brand of ethno-nationalists and occasional libertarian holdout.

Communism is nearly as close to obectively terrible as an ideology as is possible, and yet you're still managing to be stupider than everyone else in this thread.

You complete ass.

>>1612441

so has fascism but poltards still keep posting.

>>1613589

I like it as a historical thing of the past. same way I like roman culture.

Meeting a communist is like meeting a luddite. They just seem horribly outdated by later theories.

>>1617306

>immediate cut to soviet parade

I mean if you're gonna make propaganda, fuck subtlety, right?

>>1619410

wow, I knew pol was dumb, that thats some next level "only skimmed the wiki page' shit.

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>>1619410
So identity politics then?

You can't have Marxism without class politics.

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Comradely reminder.

>>1617134
Assad used poison gas on his own citizens

So yeah.

Even Hitler didn't do that lul

>>1619511
>imagine actually being this much of a bootlicker

>>1612384
FIRST
POST
BEST
POST

>>1621220
>Assad used poison gas on his own citizens
Only jihadi fuckbois believe this bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kERNKGDZlKE&list=PL57F46057B7E5B8FB

>>1622071
Guess, you are going to claim next, that he didn't personally drop deadly barrel bombs on schools and hospitals in the middle of the night and killed a uncountable children.

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>>1612383

>>1612441
i'm sure you're well read on the topic, aren't you

>>1614545
no thanks to the sectarianism

>>1613644
WOW someone show MARX this video!!!!

>>1616969
so whats it called when my boss profits off of my labour based on some flimsy concept of ownership (enforced by violence)

ITT: edgy kids that don't want to read anything that doesn't support their egocentric worldview

>>1617134
It gets very interesting when one considers that the middle east being a wasteland of failed states is a relatively new occurrence that "coincides" with the rise of American hegemony. In fact certain states in the ME which are considered quite fundamentalist now were very much like pre-war Syria (civil rights, minority rights, women's rights, rising GDP, etc). That said someone is going to think "Saddam was brutal" will somehow negate this post, to which I would respond that no country in history has reached development without a period of brutality (e.g. NICs, US, UK, Germany, France, etc). Some important things to remember about Saddam's influence are:
>he opposed religious authority as it challenged his power (UK parallels)
>he kept life good for those that played along (NIC parallels)
>he over came the ME cultural emphasis on revenge (which propagated due to weak, and unreliable states unable or unwilling to project influence within their borders) by monopolizing the use of force and making it crystal clear to everyone what happens if you step out of line (parallels to every successful state ever)
De-Bathh-ification was a failure because it allowed religious authority to squat in the husk of state authority, everyone had it shitty including the everyone associated with the state which were now fired, and there were no clear rules or certainty of punishment. And people ask where the insurgency came from.

Bonus round:
With hundreds of billions of dollars of aid being thrown around the world, what is preventing periphery nations from developing if it is not a lack of aid or the logistics for distributing it?

Hint: Remember the rise of the NICs

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>>1612383
Its time to admit that you lost and you were wrong about everything.

>>1613087
You know the national socialists agree with you about this.

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>>1623949
ive always wanted to use this gif

>>1624010 Antifa can say what they want, but they are not real Communist.

>>1624036
Who is then?

>>1622183
>>killed a uncountable children
>a (singular)
>children (plural)
You are right though since 0 is technically uncountable.

>>1622907
How is the concept of ownership flimsy?

Your relationship to the means of production is a spook. Everything and everyone is my property.

>>1624047

People who are not Anarchists

>>1624057
Are you american by any chance?

>>1619511
Cant wait to kill 'people' like you. And youre beyond delusional if you dont think thats coming in our lifetimes.

>>1624036
Quick communism test:
Do you subscribe to Marxist values? Y/N: Y
Congrats! You're a Communist. Any other Communist who says "Oh, you're not a REAL Communist, you just like what the father of Marxism had to say fundamentally" is using the No True Scotsman fallacy and can bugger the fuck off with their tendency to stick their fingers in their ears and go 'Lalala' when confronted with an unsavory side of their ideology.

>>1620191
Because acknowledging that the Bolshevik revolution spiraled out of control into one of the worst humanitarian disasters since Nazi Germany is totally propaganda.

As for Cultural Marxism not being Marxism based on identity, all I have to say is this:
What the hell else would it EVER be? The language behind it is so damn similar, almost identical. The starting assumption of "The Proletariat is oppressed by the Bourgeoisie" is replaced by "This race is oppressed by that race" or "This gender is oppressed by that gender." In short, "People of this identity are oppressed by people of that identity." And the conclusion? The same as Marxism. "The Proletariat should overthrow their oppressors, for they have nothing to lose but their chains." Is replaced by "The oppressed identity should overthrow their oppressors, for they have nothing to lose but their chains." Make any evaluation you want about whether that overthrowing is morally correct or not, idc, but that definition of Cultural Marxism is a totally valid one for a very real belief.

>>1622577
I always knew Chinese were just niggers.

>>1617306
saws

>>1624388
>>1619578
>>1619525

segment from the webm starts at ~ 35:50, although the whole thing is a very interesting and I encourage y'all to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2iFikOwYU

If you live in the UK (Or can lie convincingly that you do) you can catch it here, as well.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/things-we-wont-say-about-race-that-are-true/on-demand/59754-001

>>1624436
fuck yes. thanks a lot.

>>1624438
No prob, Anon. Heads up for future sauce obtaining: If reverse image search doesn't work, search a quote, ensuring it's in quotation marks. You're generally bound to get a hit somewhere.

>>1624444
I tried searching the first thing he said, but I didn't put it in quotes. Thanks for the heads up.

>>1624444
Woah! REPEATING NUMBERS!

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my best webm to date

Kys commie scum

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>>1624921
Delete this or I'll nuke your shithole!

>>1620184

Salazar and Franco lasted till they passed and the only reason the Iron Guard and Musolini failed was because of outside forces.

>>1625263
>Franco

Let me tell you his secret: Choosing the wining side.

He was a far better politician than a a military strategist, by actually understanding what realpolitik is about when he took his pants down and asked the USA for help into overcoming the French sanctions(pushed with the help of the old republican goverment in exile),

Now, is that clever? Maybe, but its hypocritical as fuck, after that he could never say that Spain was free in the clasical slogan: "one, great and free".

>>1624961
Aw, man. Sauce.

>>1613090

Goddam I might not like comunists, but I fucking love the russian militarism and militarist regimes in general. Even with all their defects, they bring order in times when civilian institutions are weaker than the military ones, creating stability and properity.

Of course, after that is a downfall... but still, I like them, like how Argentina actually thought they could unite a country against britain because democracies were too weak to be willing to defend themselves(and so, they employed mostly the air force because they weren't suposed to need to other branches as much), or how the soviet union in its last days instead of trying to liberalice sectors invested even more in defense like some signal that they weren't going out without a big fuck you to the whole world.

>>1612495
Ba'athism is pretty socialist

>>1624036
ultras get out

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>>1624353

Acknowledging that while talking about "revolutions have a way of getting out of hand" and talking about the civil rights movement is propaganda.

Get your head out of your ass.

>>1625516
Please tell me they did one for Hitler.

>>1616039
>A message of unity
>Builds a wall

>>1621461
This is my jam

>>1624001
>you were wrong about everything.
Marx is still used to explain how capitalism works today.

>>1624961
cavalry with AK's and swords riding in front of a mushrom cloud, now i had seen everything.

>>1625263
>Mussolini failed because of "outside forces"
>Not because his army was shit.

>>1625599
>Marx is still used to explain how capitalism works today.
By fucking communists. Yes, your college professors are communists. Yes, your favorite talking heads are communists.

>>1625599
By leftist intellectuals in universities that never have to actually apply their ideas to the real world. You were never even able to implement communism anywhere in all of the attempts that were made all over the world. Yeah, I'm conceding that communism has never been tried. But its because you can't even get there, that's how pants on head retarded it is. It can't even be done.

>>1625629
>EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T SEE THINGS FROM MY SPECIFIC POINT OF VIEW IS A FILTHY GODDAMN LEFTY COMMUNIST

>>1617306
>Le white persecution
>Token conservative black actor for extra measure and facebook likes
Really what whites are experiencing is a loss of their normal power hegemony.

Until you can create a system that doesn't rely on requiring people constantly to fuck each other over, yes it's going to appear as adversarial, you people who keep upholding liberal democratic capitalism did this and will keep doing this to yourselves.

MLK and many other civil rights leaders were communists for a reason, they knew that head on power would lead to the situation we're in today where white people are experiencing discomfort because of the loss of their normal social and institutional power and would create a rebound effect in the shape of right wing white populism.

Really the greatest strategic mistake, for all the non-blaming white people want us non-whites to do, was making us citizens and equals, therefore adversaries to your power in the civilized world.

Solutions:
1) deal with it
2) start the race wars and finish the job your grandfathers were too lazy to do

>>1624256
Filthy communist cunt. Look how many times your precious Communism has failed and killed millions. Try again during "the great revolution" you 100% piece of scum moron

>>1626099
I hate being grouped in with subhumans like this

communism is intentionally designed to destroy the societies that adopt it

>>1625337
I think it's from Trinity and Beyond

>>1625925
>EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T SEE THINGS FROM MY SPECIFIC POINT OF VIEW IS A FILTHY GODDAMN RIGHT WING FASCIST

Does anyone have that German commercial of the officer exiting the room and gassing the refugees by locking them in?

>>1624961
Aaaaaaaaand, they all died of cancer one week later

>>1626580
US and Soviets did the same trainings. No one died.

>>1617172
Classical Marxists - Leninsts - Stalinists are completely in ideological opposition to the likes of the Frankfurt School, they are more likely to be nearer to national socialism (Nazi) that they will ever be to support of race mixing and hypothesising on child sexuality (they do however support mass killing and exiling of ethnic groups that do not bend to their will).

If you think I'm wrong please respond, also I'm no longer a commie haven't been for years more a social nationalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>1619511
this.

>kid has the option between producing products for the West and starving
>bleeding heart faggots decide it would be better if they starve "with dignity"

>>1626122
It's fine then if you want to try to be token color blind minority. Objectively, you're doing what benefits you the most in the short term and that's appealing to your white, alt right overlords like a race cuck and bootlicker. Just don't expect mercy when a race war breaks out and you're left in a ditch somewhere by the people who actually need these rights.

>>1625340
Argentina's fascist regime had nothing to do with communism lmao, and the Falkland/Malvinas war was just a show for the stupid masses to consume to deflect that the defacto president was an alcoholic imbecile.
Also they left the country with the worst economic situation ever, because of how corrupt they were; and how they kept fucking up almost every production that the country had, while asking for more and more loans to the FMI.
So there's that

>>1613087
Oswald Mosley also hated this, so it's a commercial for fascism aswell.
Also, funny how most of those crazies are women.

>>1626616
Whether they work in sweatshops they are still likely to starve if no one tills the fields how will people get fed? Look at the drought in Africa which threatens famine you don't think they work for pittance to produce our Nike's?

>>1625578
>Unity of the American people, tied into a torch (hierarchy).
What's your point, blue?

>>1624836
why the fuck is he speaking to an empty audience at 3:01?

>>1627315
kids, there's no easy way to tell you this, but... Grandpa Bernie has Alzheimer's.

>>1627315
The house didnt want to hear about the war, this was special session where anyone can talk for 5 minutes after the schedule is over for the day.

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>>1626626
This.
>you have to be communist to reject cancerous consumerism and batshit capitalism
Fucking lol.

>>1626619
0/10

>>1613090
Anyone know what the song is?

>>1627315
Ignorant fuckers who don't want to hear the truth.

>>1616500
We should meme Alex Jones into presidency next election.

>>1624036
>not real communism
jesus christ...

>>1628066
Are SJW liberals communist? If you believe in Idpol you cannot even begin to understand what communism actually means m8

>>1628097
You can't unite people under some arbitrary concept like "worker" when you have a multi-cultural, multi-racial environment. The theory that "workers" were going to unite across national borders was proven false time and time again as soldiers put on their nation's uniform and waved their nation's flag and marched off to war for nationalism and even fascism. Communism didn't arise even in homogeneous nations so the idea that Muslims and Danes are going to band together to overthrow the capitalist class is even less likely. If you're about to claim that Russia and China were actually communist then go ahead and out yourself as just another neo-liberal LARPer. If you'd read a damn word you'd know they were state capitalists.

>>1628195
Everyone in these threads is a LARPing faggot in high school or freshman year of college

>>1628195
You are wrong tho m8. Rojava is an autonomous state in Syria, people are united behind revolution. There is an international brigade there with people from all over the world fighting for a land that isnt naturally theirs but an idea that spans race and religion.

>>1624057
>just in: Assad used sarin gas on kindergartens and preschools
Not so smug now, are you?

>>1626108
>You know how many times the little bourg fail before industrial revolution un feudal ages???

Ohh kid you need books

>>1628668
>Assad used sarin gas on kindergartens and preschools but didn't use it in any offensives including Palmyra which was an up hill battle for rubble devoid of civilians, I know this because the PR branch of ISIS said so

Hey, can you please post your banking info?

>>1631087
Guess what: I'm a Jew

I've been using 4chan for 18 years now. I'm an MIS and Marketing major, top of my class. I have an IQ of 146. I'm only a sophomore and have had 7 internships. I'm a member of the MENSA society. I voted for Jeb. I'm not a zionist, however, I'm probably more intelligent than most of you in this thread.

Wether you like it or not, Jews are superior. I'm here to steal your money. I'll probably make more than you. I'm not going to make you a sandwhich, I'll have my personal chef do it. The ironic thing is my father married for money and I'm actually rich as well. Cocky? Yes. Ashamed? No.

I won't show you my nose, I'll be your KANG one day

>>1614758
what's the song?

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>>1617163
Looking forward to it.

>>1612384
win

>>1624010
based slav

>>1614063
Yeah. They just copy or straight up steal our memes.

>>1613087
This is an argument for nationalism, not communism

>>1626626
>>1627585
/THREAD

>>1621220
Been drinking to much of the koolaid I see.

Stalin was objectively a terrible leader and you give him a tribute video like this?

>>1619511
You okay there? Cause that is some serious Mental gymnastics.

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>>1627830

Found it.
https://youtu.be/JpRG8lwW3zc

>>1613087

If there wasn't such a demand for consumerism they wouldn't even have a job to buy bread.

>>1631406
Shalom.

>>1625381
Baathism is closer to NS than Marxian socialism.

>>1612383
>keep the sperging to a minimum
>pol/commie thread

I'm sorry, man.

>>1631507
Orchestral version of "Everything goes according to plan" by Yegor Letov: https://youtu.be/FT-Bfe1T0Q4

Here's the original:
https://youtu.be/2ift8T7eVEo

>>1626099
I bet you just adore your wife`s son

>>1626099
Why did your father leave you anon?

>>1627368
damn, just like Reagan...

>>1636892
So it's okay for people to live in such conditions as long as they can elect to slave away at the sweatshops to simply survive?
I literally cannot fathom how can people think it's a-okay for a good portion of human population to live lives that of an animal. Or sometimes even worse.

>>1613086
Major kek. This dude easily explained one or two weeks of /pol/kin thread activity in 2 minutes.

>>1614778
>going rabid for a literal $5 handbag
>exemplary performance in the libertarian paradise

How's that $7/hr economic freedom treating ya?

>>1617172
Wew /pol/ykins. Did you forget to take your anti-triggering pills today?

>>1619511
>oh no they're exploiting these locked-up women in the basement who would literally be starving to death if not for the food they get from taking the cock

I even respected your illiterate right to use zero grammar. You're welcome.

>>1612384
F P B P
P
B
P

>>1616039
The dorito leader worship thread is that way budso.

>>1617217
Never mind that /pol/ is a huge hugbox for alt-right snowflakes or anything.

>>1624010
Slav demonstrates what having a 5 inch thick skull does to a man trying to understand an argument. Good riddance he can come up with ebnily creative combacks like "a baby could do that". Alt-right intellectuals at work everybody.

>>1626099
This touches an important point except for the fact that it's not all "whites" as some sort of magical, monolithic group (despite what some stormwiene might tell you) but down to a personal group category level. Going by Trump supporters, for instance, it iis the educationally underachieved, low to middle class, disgruntled white males who are far more likely to support him, while the upper-middle class, educated white males generally do not. What this highlights is indeed a loss of power hegemony as a 'white male' identity, but really, only from those for whom the label is the only means to recognition and status for an otherwise unachieving, poorly performing individual. The ensuing right wing sensationalism, particular of the >muh-race mentality, is then a simple symptom of sour grapes--that of a loser who needs a shiny badge to make up for his otherwise failure of a life.

>>1627315
They were too busy attending coctail parties and hosting corporate lobbiests to care about things like healthcare, education and all the other "commie" things people seem to care about for some odd reason.

>>1649218
Fucking right, there is no war but class war comrade. o/

>>1652682
>>1652684
guilty confession, i like laborwave and fashwave and trumpwave equally.

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>>1652775
>guilty confession, i like laborwave and fashwave and trumpwave equally.
may i indulge you in some nipponwave?

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>>1652684
Absolute shit colors, absolute shit aesthetic. Makes for hilarious unintentional self-parody. Go block a highway at night.

>>1652827
>Absolute shit colors, absolute shit aesthetic. Makes for hilarious unintentional self-parody. Go block a highway at night.
Ahahahaha kill yourself cuck
Communism> Fascism

>>1649218
>What this highlights is indeed a loss of power hegemony as a 'white male' identity

No what this highlights is that American colleges are at the very center of leftist brainwashing. A recruitment ground for the gullible and those that lack tangible real world experiences. A place to fill your head with nonsense about identity; to conveniently categorise and judge people based on a pre-determined rigid criteria (Trump supporter? white, racist, under educated blabla). To teach a world view consisting of 'you are black - oppressed' 'you are white - oppressor' 'you are mexican - oppressed' ad nauseum. A simplistic and comfortable way to view the world for sure, but unfortunately reality tends to be slightly more complex then racist Trump supporters and diversity loving Clinton supporters.


>The ensuing right wing sensationalism, particular of the >muh-race mentality, is then a simple symptom of sour grapes--that of a loser who needs a shiny badge to make up for his otherwise failure of a life.

Seems more like an individual looking after their own interests plus a little something that Newton figured out a while ago. No sane rational person with even a modicum of self respect is going to join a group that openly despises them. No one who regards themselves as a human being is going to go near someone that reduces their existence to a mere simplistic generalising identity, an identity in this case solely designed by those that hate them, to apply blanket evils to them on a whim. To identify yourself as a self loving white male is to identify yourself as a racist goose stepping roman saluting Jew frying supremacist. Who do you think has the most to gain from the promotion of such an identity? The white man himself? Or the self confessed Commie looking to destroy what he regards is a white male hegemony?

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>>1652801
Best Korea is not communist, stop believing the msm.

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>>1653106
>Best Korea
>not communist
ok faggiot

>>1621220
US Government intentionally irradiated a city to see what would happen.

they also gave blackies std's.

>>1613644
Best explanation of Socialism I've ever seen.

>>1619865
This is incredible.

>>1653879
>I hate the usa, but I eat up their propaganda anyway.
Liberalism is a mental illness.

>>1612384
my nigga.
anyone who knows anything about communism knows that its fucking stupid.

>>1654762

liberalism != leftism

pretty much all the cool stuff you like is because of liberals

>>1655181
Kill yourself already you fucking imbecile.

>>1620184
>/pol/ is shit, so let's be shit too

>>1612496
what side is this?

>>1655181
I seriously doubt that.

>>1620427
What song is this

>>1652842
Your first paragraph reads like a Breitbart article comment: nothing but catch-phrases and twisted falsehoolds to assert a precious identity. Not only are universities not some "leftist brainwashing" system, those who actually attend them--and perform at the expected level mind you-- have a wider set of marketable abilities and are capable of adapting to an ever complex and expanding world. The reality is that university education does enrich and strengthen a persons critical thinking ability and allows to subtleties behind the issues, skills all too often lacking in emotion driven politics.

For instance, your whole idea that academics or uni educated people just see the world as black and white is horribly misguided and, frankly, ironic, considering it is those with right winger mentality who usually exploit the fallacy ('us vs them' anyone?). Just consider your second paragraph: a total mischaracterization of people's critique against a discriminating, biased cultural system. Instead you automatically jump ship to the extremes and consider it some sort of "hate crusade against white males" (a total falsehood) and shut your eyes from there. How's this a fair, genuine analysis of the critique? indeed, how does this even show you understand the argument at all, beyond the sound bites the /pol/ mill feeds you? All that I really see is that you are someone desperately trying to cling to an identity because it stands as some sort of "achievement badge" that is losing its value in an ever changing the world, not an informed person who argues in good faith and in search for truth. And that was my point all along: anyone who truly cares about the subject and looks into it beyond the fear mongering and expressioned_amphibian.jpg will know none of what you said holds true. Despite what you may believe, a fair and diverse society applies to everyone--everyone-- not arbitrary self-picked identities ruling over all others. Is that such a bad thing to strive for?

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>>1612383

>>1624007
No. Communists have a monopoly on the anti-consumerist attitude and caring about people.

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>>1655664
there is no tragedy harsh enough to rattle you from your pompous slumber

>>1655664

You must be a liberal, not a leftist. A leftist would see that universities are doing nothing but exploiting young people.

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>>1654762
>i look at cherry picked images of tumblr feministas with dyed hair colors and images of numale faggots thererefore liberalism is inherently bad
lmao okay

>>1656486
It's inherently wrong because it let's people do whatever the fuck they want.

>>1619511

>If not for the money they get from being exploited.

Funniest thing is, you will say that soviets raped women at Berlin, while, in reality, those women would be starving to death if they didn't take liberators cocks, so you should praise soviets for gracious savings of German whores.

>>1623650
Pretty much how Kulaks operated since the late 19-th century. Only, instead of money in the end, there were (((loans)))

>>1624007
Problem with NatSocs is that they will have no qualms to naming the Jew, but they will flat out refuse the possibility of people jewing out their own compatriots.

That and the whole "honorary aryan" and "everyone I don't like is a kike" makes the whole movement a fucking joke.

And I won't even start on non-Germans praising Hitler instead of respecting their own history, culture and nation.

>>1649180

>trying to understand an argument

The argument is that Antifa kids are usually white self-loathing cunts with a middle class background that want not an "equality" but "payback."

In the wake of communist revolution, these people will be lined up and shot one of the first, either as class enemies or servants of the capital.

>>1656384
I presume you're referring to U.S. universities, but the point about was and is about the value of higher education which is an institution dating centuries. That the current bloated-U.S. university tuition system screws people over has nothing to do with what I said. Knowledge is knowledge and critical thinking doesn't require a golden crown, just the right training.

>>1656755
You do realize a lot of communists leaders came from a middle class,usually polished background, right?

>>1625381
>Slight social angle, with strong, hard-head right-wing militarism
>HURRR COMMUNISM DURR
This is why Americans shouldn't talk about political spectrum.

>>1624010
>well your a baby xD
>walks away

damn how can leftist compete with such masterful debating tactics

>>1657450
>communism is America's enemy
>so everyone who is America's enemy is communist
What baffles me is that Americans seems to believe it completely. And that they just spout their government propaganda/memes when talking about communism. It has came to that, I have to ignore most American posts on /pol/, because they are incapable of thinking outside their propaganda bubble.

>inb4 communist

Man communisim sure seems to trigger people alot.

>>1625692
This.
>no money
>no government
>no class
The authoritarian shit show run by Jews that doesn't work is the closest you'll get, and it's not even good authoritarianism like NatSoc or Fascism.

>>1619502
>@16s
>Jew nose
Spongebob is confirmed red-pilled.

>>1619502
>>1658812
>20s
>Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post...

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>>1612441
seems to work fine for the chinese

>>1616039
Congratulations on having helped to elect another neocohen!

>>1652827
>not watching it with 3d glasses

>>1613087
Oh no! Employment!

>>1655664
>>1656777
Shame to see such well prepared arguements with the potential of a good discussion be ignored.

I hope you take comfort in the fact that most people on this site generally don't impact society all that much.

>>1659900
>Shame to see such well prepared arguements with the potential of a good discussion be ignored.
Is this a joke?

>>1659907
Could you elaborate a little please?

>>1659908
American universities, and universities in other western countries, are essentially a brainwashing system. Think about how many universities there are in the U.S. How many of them offer a different, or competing political ideology? All of them sell the the same product, liberalism.

The poster you replied to mentioned that university educated people don't see things in black and white. That is exactly what they do. Students go to harvard, learn the liberal way of doing things, graduate, and then move into the media and government to spread more liberalism. All they see is liberalism and democracy. Every country that doesn't follow the U.S. way of thinking gets a good dose of freedom. Liberalism, good, marxism bad, reactionary worse.

Might not make sense. Drunk and sleep deprived.

>>1659932
Okay I can kind of understand why it seems that way, but information by itself doesn't take a side of good or evil, it's just information. And universities main focus is reviewing a collection of information in an objective light, as the other poster said people learn, develop critical thinking and take on the liberal pussy view.

And I agree with you to an extent that this is true, but as said the unis arent pushing a product theyre merely providing the knowledge that people can use to construct their own opinions, and if you were to take a scientific approach and say that the majority of people who go to uni become pussy liberals regardless of which uni, location or what other possible variable, that being a liberal pussy is an objectively better stance?

> university educated people don't see things in black and white. That is exactly what they do.
heh.

>and then move into the media and government to spread more liberalism.
From what seems pretty apparent, most of todays media is pushed by a small oligarchy of media conglomerates that mostly push views to people on twisted words and ill based facts, these conglomerates have their own agenda and are only looking out for themselves and lobby the government to help support their selfish interests. Take old mate Murdoch for example.

Cheers for going to the effort to reply in your current state, I really enjoy discussions like these because they help me and others form better views by compromising and accepting one anothers opinions.
Lately political arguments seem to just be about who can sling more shit and to find this on 4chan of all places hey.

>>1659961
It's the sheer synchronicity of it all. You would think there would be a market for different information, but there isn't. All universities follow the grain. Look at the outrage caused when that Jordan Peterson bloke refused to use gender pronouns. Or that recent Berkeley incident. Opposing views are just not tolerated. I certainly can't think of any marxian economic schools, or god forbid, anything at all to do with nationalism.

You seem to have a very noble view of universities and their objectivity, but education is a product, and for whatever reason, only one is offered.

>and if you were to take a scientific approach and say that the majority of people who go to uni become pussy liberals regardless of which uni, location or what other possible variable, that being a liberal pussy is an objectively better stance?
They don't. It's a Western phenomenon. I'm sure universities and their products would be vastly different in countries like Iran, Russia, or North Korea.

> university educated people don't see things in black and white. That is exactly what they do.
lol

>>1626099
>Really what whites are experiencing is a loss of their normal power hegemony.
whites still control the world. whites are the race with their finger on all the nuclear weapons capable of destroying the world. whites (included jews) own the entire world nearly. whites still have the strongest military, most advanced technology, medicine, and ability to influence the world. whites aren't losing their hegemony at all. the people who decide the direction of the world are all white.

whites are losing some influence, but it's not to people or color or women who are gaining it. it's to the chinese. the chinese are a patriarchy who aren't tolerant and don't respect human rights at all. that's why they practice forced sterilization and one child policy. they're actively trying to genocide tibetans by relocating ethnic hans to replace them.

the greatest mistake communist, feminist, jews, and people of color made was trying to hamper the only race which would shelter them from the upcoming genocide they're going to experience. once whites lose their hegemony it'll be soulless chinese who take over and they kill people like they're cutting grass. you can fully expect them to sterilize and genocide african within the next 2 decades.

>>1659993
>It's the sheer synchronicity of it all
>but education is a product, and for whatever reason, only one is offered.
Because education is a product created from constantly redefining what is and what isn't, and as said it's what people make of it and unfortuanetly there are dumb fucks in the world who take it the wrong way (what you and I assume is wrong) and create 6 quadrillion stupid genders.

But the great thing about the Western system we live in is that people have the opportunity to oppose any view they don't see fit. The great thing about an educated and free population is that people learn to not blindly follow what is handed to them because they need factual evidence to draw their conclusions from.

> I certainly can't think of any marxian economic schools
That's because Communism and Marxism simply doesn't work, we've been able to establish that and from that create a product of education that incorporates different elements.

>I'm sure universities and their products would be vastly different in countries like Iran, Russia, or North Korea.
Absolutely, because the freedom of information is controlled and censored by a ruling class that is afraid of its potential to overthrow the facist control it maintains.

>They don't. It's a Western phenomenon.
This is because we're not bound by information that is restricted, we have freedom of speech and opinions.

> university educated people don't see things in black and white. That is exactly what they do.
kek

>>1660018
Have a read of this if you're interested. It explains much of what I was talking about, and does it far better. I'm going to bed.
https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.au/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html

>>1660060
Thanks mate, sleep tight.

>>1659932
>American universities, and universities in other western countries, are essentially a brainwashing system.
This sentence and this sentence alone is why it's obvious you don't understand what universities do and how they actually work. You simply take this view because it is a pleasant partisan position: that seasoned scholars who've devoted their entire lives to understand a subject don't reach conclusions of data and research, but out of a hidden agenda to somehow undermine your irrefutable, but oppressed underdog beliefs. It's easier to assume "conspiracies" are responsible for the state of events than it is to admit that your gut-driven beliefs are somehow wrong. You also seem to confuse political talking points to actual academic discussion as if orchestrated. In reality, a lot of criticism of things like U.S. foreign policy comes from academia itself where the thin pretexts of "freedom and democracy" never fly. That you've not noticed only suggest that you, again, aren't really familiar with a university education.

>>1659993
> but education is a product
No, education is a tool to analyze and understand the world, not an imposed doctrine based on propaganda. This latter is usually the work of political partisanship to fulfill certain agendas which is not what scholarship does.

>>1660006
It's not that actual power of Western nations is losing ground, but that the 'white male identity' is losing ground as the implicitly 'superior' identity. In fact, it is precisely that the vast majority of power is held by self-identified white males that the rising tide of 'white pride' among the disgruntled is what makes it so dangerous. Not only would regress society to the days of systematic identity-based discrimination (i.e. a system where only ethnic id counts, not merit), it would also further formalize and embolden current power structures by simple means of mass "identity" based control. You would essentially give a shark steel jaws.

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>>1612383
Communists are a plague of Zionist controlled brain-dead drones upon this earth. Kindly fuck off to Venezuela or KYS.

>>1613238
This fucking rules

>>1625263
>Salazar and Franco lasted till they passed
So did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel

>>1625516
>Stalin enjoys seeing nazi invaders die in the snow

>This is bad somehow

>>1654762
Denying revolutions in anti-imperialist nations because it does not conform to your idea of "true socialism" is racist and imperialist desu

So I just saw some commi propaganda and realized how cool Stalin is

>>1652784
Name of the song please

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>>1612441
>>1612677

>>1613008
>be careful down there Bo

>>1624010
Most anarchists are dumbasses, news at 11

>>1627585
It doesn't matter when most of you guys support any kind of capitalism no matter how degenerate just because you don't want to be seen as a lefty

>>1624836
no wonder he lost lol

>>1660782
I can shorten that strawman graph for you.

>become socialist state
>forget that central economic planning is an impossibility
>I love getting my free bread...once a week
>all sectors destabilize and fail
>blame the capitalists

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>>1660193
You have misunderstood me entirely. I didn't mention anything as sinister as hidden agendas, or conspiracies. I was talking about the commoditization of education.
Your snarky tone isn't impressive and you need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>1660782
>>1660912
Both capitalism and socialism are retarded, and it's hilarious how both sides only see the pros of their own side and cons of the other side.

>>1661687
This. And that's why there is no pure capitalism and socialism.

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>>1644377
Puši kurac

Literally the worst ideology and that is by no means an understatement.

Trash-tier leeches.

>>1662594
>leeches

you're thinking of welfare capitalism m8

in communism if you don't work and nobody helps you - you starve
everyone has access to the means of production but that doesn't mean you get free shit

>>1662688
Word. Commie here:
>try to werk
>no one takes you
>literally nothing wrong with you
>get eductation
>le fight with people that have moar education
>can't get education? Work for free.
>end up applying to volunteer instead
>end up competing to see who can work for free the longest
It's perfection! The elite must be so happy!

But it's okay though, because I'm a leech that never worked just like the Marx Jew.

>>1661287
Let's see:
>brainwashing system
>people in universities see things in black and white
>universities only generate products

These are your words and the bulk of your argument, which I plainly addressed as innacurate. Now you want to twist that post and say it was about something else completely. I know I'm supposedly the one without reading comprehension, but even you have to admit no one is falling for that pivot.

>>1662589
Are you trying to bait?

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>>1612383
REMOVE COMMUNIST
LONG LIVE THE WHITE ARMY

>>1663155
He also said he was drunk and sleep deprived. With le helicopter bomb there's no way he's going to be making a good case for communism. The propaganda against it is too strong, and yes they do indoctrinate people against communism and fascism. You're centristic or a fool in murika.
>>1663169
Problem?

>>1663155
>brainwashing system
Do you deny that there is just one dominant ideology in American universities? Since you know so much about universities, post some examples of universities where the dominant ideology is not liberalism. Find me one that offers an education other than a liberal one. I'll admit, brainwashing is too extreme a word, perhaps conditioning would be better.

>people in universities see things in black and white
Yes, they do. Liberalism, good. Everything else, bad. Feel free to post some shades of grey.

>universities only generate products
>These are your words
>I know I'm supposedly the one without reading comprehension, but even you have to admit no one is falling for that pivot
lol

>>1663180
Do it better.

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richard wolff is 10/10

>>1658733
source?

Fuck Commies, the subhuman bunch. Read the Gulag Archipelago if you think Communism is a good ideology. Murderous ideology that killed tens of millions of people. FUCK COMMUNISTS

Lefties still can't meme. Stay cancerous, 1/2 chan.

>>1664294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdzZBx2eUcQ

>>1660912
And where did it happen that, exactly? Your hypothetical meme greentexts means nothing.

You want some reality? Chavez's Venezuela managed to improve and stabilize, with socialism, a hungered and illiterate country. Gave instruction, food and health just by nationalizing means of production (Oil). Erased infant mortality from skyhigh percentage to zero, also thanks to the best medics in the world imported from... oh wait, another socialist country, Cuba (which lived happily through decades of annihilating embargo and coup tentatives).

Or, if you want active struggles: Naxalites and PKK are examples of what is fighting for freedom and equality.

>>1664298
"hey read this it says something i like to believe"

>>1616039
>We will use that torch
>To light the fucking world on fire

Man I can't wait for America to collapse.

>>1627315
Clearly you don't know how the house works, it's always empty and no one shows up, everyone is too busy fundraising and attending private events.

>>1617163
>wanting to align yourself with a slave empire and spanish fascists.
>"leftists are the real authoritarians which is why we'll commit mass murder"
shit mang why play coy when you could just have the swastika in there.

>>1664298
there are at least 2 threads devoted to nazism on /wsg/ and an entire board infested with it. No one is going to get upset about wealth redistribution or the abolition of private property while genocidal maniacs are at the door.

>>1664188
This is not an argument of communism vs capitalism, this an argument of socialism vs individualism. The "means of production" is their own mind, it has never left their hands, it's not like factory equipment. This wouldn't work with anything actually requiring machinery, just compare a family workshop to any factory and you will see how unrealistic this is, the workers in a car factory can just leave and start working in someone's garage.

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>>1663178

>>1663180
>>1663250
The fact that you think universities are there to supposedly take "sides" as if a football match shows that, again, you've missed the core of the argument. Universities are places of scholarship by definition. This means that people are not there to create agendas, they are there to investigate truth in an objective scholarly way. If you were to investigate the Chernobyl disaster, say, and find that the nuclear plant wasn't vetted properly as based on evidence, that doesn't mean suddenly that you were a Capitalist bourgeois bent on the destruction of the Soviet union--it's what was shown by facts (in this example). Similarly, when you consider various branches of scholarship they are based on statistical data, models, analysis etc as based on the facts or the information available. That some people find it inconvenient and politically incorrect for their pet agendas doesn't make it a brainwashing system. In fact, it shows precisely the opposite: that people are there to create new bodies of knowledge not make partisan tank points.

I don't disagree with you on one thing though: if all you want is people to validate your whimsical biases, no matter how inaccurate or debunked, then a university education is the last thing you need indeed.

>>1661875
>that memewave music in the background.

>>1612383
>We have like 3 /pol/ related thread on /wsg/
>why don't we have something different
>makes thread about politics
kill yourself my man

>>1664821
>This is not an argument of communism vs capitalism, this an argument of socialism vs individualism.

Read up on socialism, senpai. Communism is a societal system that requires no state and no classes. It's not an economic system, so pitting it vs capitalism doesn't really make sense. It would be socialism vs capitalism.

Also, there are a good bit of individualist forms of socialist thought, just like there are collectivist ones. Anarchist ones especially: the german anarchist Max Stirner was a famous individualist socialist and is also a big supplier of anarchist memes.

>The "means of production" is their own mind, it has never left their hands, it's not like factory equipment. This wouldn't work with anything actually requiring machinery, just compare a family workshop to any factory and you will see how unrealistic this is, the workers in a car factory can just leave and start working in someone's garage.

You're right, but I think you missed the point of the video. Wolff isn't saying "let's bring about socialism by walking out of our jobs and starting our own democratically owned businesses."

He's showing that not only do center-right people like Republicans prefer democratically owned workplaces to dictatorial style workplaces, statistics show that are actually more productive than they were in the dictatorial style workplaces.

It's just that a century's worth of propaganda and backwater countries with dictatorships have given most people have a knee-jerk "DAMN GOMMIES" reaction when they hear the word 'socialism' or the name 'Karl Marx'.

>>1667340
>Read up on socialism, senpai. Communism is a societal system that requires no state and no classes. It's not an economic system, so pitting it vs capitalism doesn't really make sense. It would be socialism vs capitalism.

>Also, there are a good bit of individualist forms of socialist thought, just like there are collectivist ones. Anarchist ones especially: the german anarchist Max Stirner was a famous individualist socialist and is also a big supplier of anarchist memes.

Wanted to say collectivism, don't know why I typed socialism when I wrote individualism right after it.

>statistics show that are actually more productive than they were in the dictatorial style workplaces.

This is simply isn't true, sure the individual, might be more productive, but as a whole it would be less productive than the same number of people with leadership, after it exceeds a certain number of people. This is the same thing why democracy is fundamentally wrong, and not working, most people are unable to care or plan for themselves, they live day to day. Most people need to be told what to do, and for that a strong leadership is necessary. The downside is more restricted personal freedoms, which brings down general happiness, which, of course, brings down productivity. But then again, while a small group of highly educated individuals, doing intellectual work might be able to, by themselves, have stable high productivity, because they understand that working together is more efficient than infighting, and because they are a small enough group that they can connect with each other, a group of miners, for example, might not be content with this since, lax regulations would endanger the whole group, and only showing up when you want, would either put burden on those who do show up to keep the quota or would lower the productivity, because half the crew would be away.

>>1667371
>>1667340
So we came to the conclusion, the Xth time, that yes, people who are doing things they want would work better without supervision holding them back, but this only a small percentage of humanity, and most people are stuck with things they don't want to do, but have to. Communism sounds good in theory, but just in theory, because it is an utopian world, that could never be achieved. People are not the same, they are not equal by any means and it would be extremely stupid to expect people to all act with the greater good in mind.

>>1612383
>Communist thread
>try to keep the sperging to a minimum
kek

>>1621220
>Even Hitler didn't do that lul
Only if you don't consider jews or communists or romani to be germans

>>1612395
but /pol/ liked sadam to

>>1667371
With the way you talk about personal liberties, I think you are confusing leadership with authoritarianism. A leader need not be a dictator. And even anarchists agree leadership is a good thing.

Mondragon Corporation is a democratically owned enterprise in Spain. IIRC, they started making paraffin heaters in the 60s, and now its the tenth biggest corporation in the country last time I checked. It still has a CEO and upper management who advise the shareholders on business decisions, its just that the workers are the shareholders.

>>1667374
To address this, I also think communism is a utopian ideal. The Bolsheviks were idiots for trying to jump right into it.

Communism is something we should slowly ease into once automation has replaced 99.9% of jobs, like 150-200 years from now. Automation is coming, quickly, and unless you want to die with me once the capitalists decide they don't need to support us proles anymore, socialism is what we should use to get there.

But we should do that soon IMO, because when the police are automated, revolting will not get any easier.

>>1664188
Do you have more of The Wolff?

>failed ideology thread

lol

>>1667820
>Communism is something we should slowly ease into once automation has replaced 99.9% of jobs
fully automated luxury space communism soon comrade

>>1667820
You can't lead if people won't follow, and democracy is just tyranny of the majority.

Capitalism is not inherently evil, rich people won't just genocide everyone, you are thinking about zionism.

>>1668565
>pure ideology thread

lol

>>1617764
That when the left is becoming authoritarian and tries to squash the liberties and freedoms of the libertarians, they will naturally move upwards to a more authoritarian right, fighting back against the leftist scum.

>>1612902
socialism and communism may have common points but the resultls are very diffrent

>>1613294
truth spoken

>>1619410
Wrong.

>>1664555

LOL central planning fucking failed in the USSR.

>could not keep up with price driven economy
>sectors continually over reported production results and under reported inventory so that they would receive more next cycle

>best medics in cuba?

confirmed for not actually knowing shit. Caribbean medical schools are notorious for producing low quality physicians. they're literally LAST resort for med school students who dont have the GPA to get into actual good schools.

truly you are a retard

>>1659741
>china provides the cheapest labor available for multinational companies
>workers paradise
nah, the only thing good communism done in china is by reducing overpopulation by starving 50million peasants to death. its deng xiaopingwho fixed up mao's mess with state capitalism that brought china to what it is now.

>/pol/ thinks these threads are unironic

>>1628195
>they were state capitalists
No m8. China is state capitalism now.
Soviet Union and China under Mao were actually communist, even if not by your utopian standards.