Official Bernie Sanders thread! #feelthebern #sandersforpresident

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>voting for a commie
you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
absolutely no respect or regard for american values, beliefs, culture, way of life.
back to /r/sandersforpresident, commie cucks.

>>1102758
this

It's weird seeing how effective Communist brainwashing has been for people in this country(USA).

>>1102758
Waaaah waaaah muh muh feeluns.

>>1102810
>leftists summed up in one sentence

>>1102758
>voting for a capitalist

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>>1102743

>>1102787
We cannot say we were not warned

>>1102758
>you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
>says the guy that can't figure out the difference between the history of democratic socialist theory and communism.

How does it feel to lose because the majority of your base are 14 year old retards that attacked Trump instead of Hilary 24/7 because CNN convinced them to? I honestly feel bad for the people voting Bernie that aren't quite as retarded (though those people have long abandoned ship and are on the TRUMP train now).

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>>1102746
>not posting the real version

>>1104006
>it's alright to steal someone's stuff as long as an angry mob does it

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>>1104006
>The "democratic" socialism meme
Nice b8, have a (You)

>>1104095
THAT IS NOT WORTHY OF SIMON AND GARFUNKEL
NOT WORTHY.

>>1104174
What?
http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/bernie-sanders-simon-and-garfunkel-america-art-garfunkel-1201686260/

>>1102743
Sweet! I tought they only had cuck threads on adult gif.

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>>1104305
>tought

How do Bernie supporters feel about Bernie wasting their donation money?

Can they justify that family trip Bernie took to the Vatican City?

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>>1102743

RIP Bernie

>thread barely gets going
>already drumpf supporters showing up

>Bernouts still sucking the last bit of semen out of a cock that has already reached its climax

>>1102758
I mean, yes you're right. America was built on the values of rich guys telling poor guys to be mad at people without actually explaining anything.

>>1104564
America was built on the values of "fuck the native americans, they are culturally inferior and are a waste of the land they live on."

No wrong choices were made.

>>1104166
How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy? We currently live in a system where politicians are bought by corporations, defining if not what the politicians do, then how the debate gets framed, because any position that's not profitable to them won't get funded, and you're worried about a guy who is funding his campaign outside that system not being democratic enough? You've got it completely backwards.

>>1104577
>How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy?
Have you even heard of the Soviet Union? East Germany? Venezuela, Campodia, Yugoslavia, Romania?

>>1104579
Ever heard of Chile?

>>1104581
Yes. Are you going somewhere with that question?

>>1104579
Don't forget that the US supported the Khmer Rouge.

>>1104583
Do you know anything about pre-Pinochet?

>>1104585
Not particularly. I'll also note that you rather ungracefully avoided my question.

>>1104588
Well, as for your question, which of those countries outright stated that they were attempting Democratic Socialism? East Germany was part of the Soviet Union, which was following a Communist ideology derived from the works of Karl Marx. Socialism itself predates Marx's works.

As for Chile though, why not look it up yourself? Find out how he came to power and why. It might be illuminating for you.

>>1104591
>Well, as for your question, which of those countries outright stated that they were attempting Democratic Socialism?
I don't understand the question. Most socialist states have (or have had) "democratic" in their names. Even North Korea pretends to be a democracy. I like to think of it as a running gag.
>East Germany was part of the Soviet UnionI don't know if you just misspoke or if you're misinformed, but the German """""""""""Democratic"""""""""" Republic was allied to the USSR. It wasn't a part of it.
>As for Chile though, why not look it up yourself?
I can think of a few reasons not to bother, and you're doing a bad job at motivating me. You never answered my question about where you were going with it, and consider the following: I could spend that time watching porn, petting a cat, or learning Old English.
Also, I don't even know what definition of "social democracy" you're operating with. I don't know if you would identify as a liberal or if you would view liberals as ideological enemies. I don't know if you consider e.g. Norway an admirable role model, or a detestable western state for bourgeois pigs.

>>1104621
>I don't know if you consider e.g. Norway an admirable role model, or a detestable western state for bourgeois pigs.
Some of the Scandinavian countries seem to have pretty good models, yeah. I never argued for total abolition of capitalist systems.

>I don't know if you just misspoke or if you're misinformed, but the German """""""""""Democratic"""""""""" Republic was allied to the USSR. It wasn't a part of it.
Its creation was mandated by Joseph Stalin himself after they took over that area in WWII. Yeah sure that's an "alliance". They were called satellite states for a reason.

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>>1104305

>>1104629
>Some of the Scandinavian countries
what did you mean by this? there are only three of them. is Sweden the exception?

>>1104579
A social safety net is not socialism.

You retards don't know a goddamned thing about politics you just repeat what the idiot box tells you

>>1104677
this is a sanders thread. sanders is a socialist. it is perfectly reasonable to talk about socialism in a thread about socialists. I don't know why you would object to this.

>>1104680
He isn't. You can say his taxes are retarded, especially his financial transaction ones. But in no case has he ever suggested not using a market economy

>>1104685
"While at the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League"...

>>1104686
So between university and running for president, nothing has changed for him? Joining a club with the name socialist is just irrefutable proof to you?

I will ask again: when has he ever suggested to move away from a market economy?

>>1104688
>when has he ever suggested to move away from a market economy?
when he joined the Young People's Socialist League.

>>1104690
Wow, very nimble argument. I can see you have a very good brain.

Sanders is irrelevant at this point, but I hope that after the butthurt of reality kicks in you guys would vote Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. Thanks for helping us getting Trump elected.

>>1104692
It wasn't an "argument", it was an answer to your question.
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with your post beyond looking salty.

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>>1104534
Nice forced meme there faget. where'd you get it, tumblr or reddit?

Not much of a sanders supporter but it pretty much sucks that you can't even make an innocent fun gif/webm thread without people ruining it. You don't see this kind of shitposting in the Trump threads, sad.

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>>1104534
>Bernie and Berni victims just cry about competition, let them walk all over themselves, and be beta cucks in general.
>Trump and Trumpeters BTFO of their competition, viciously meme their enemies out of existence, and be alpha in general.

Cry more bitch nigga.

As a person, Bernie is OK in my book. If you're a civil rights type of person, he'd be your guy. Most of his policies are over-the-top though, and really wouldn't work in a country this large. I know tons of people who see it the Sanders' way, but just can't imagine it happening the way he envisions it. I'm one of them.

>>1104780
Bernie supporters do it at Trump rallies. Not always in a peaceful way either.

>>1104870
sums up how i feel about sanders honestly.

>>1104780
Bernie isn't memey enough, doesn't make enough funny faces, or has enough "one punch" phrases that his fans chant constantly. He isn't Hitler is what I'm saying.

>>1104954

Holy shit, 'Do as I say, not as I do' and people are literally cheering it.

>"if I had to take responsibly for everybody who voted for me it would be a very difficult life"

Well, not really. I'm sure you've got a spare hour you could donate to it.

>>1104728
Trump's broke. Get out your wallet's kids.

Oh and ask him to agree to a debate already. What's he afraid of?

>>1104979
He has no control over it, and he denounces it. A Nevada office of his was shot into for crying out loud.

Trump on the other hands talks tough all the times and at best sends mixed signals. What are you a Hillary supporter?

I'm not at all a Bernie supporter but it's just funny to me how aggressive Trump supporters have been against Bernie despite the whole "he's a businessman, not a politician" mindset.

>>1102758
/thread

>>1102758
>no respect for american values
>meanwhile shilling for Trump, China's greatest ally

>>1105089
Bernie already lost. No point in debating losers, Trump has nothing to gain. Hillary is the real opponent here.

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>>1105118
>>China's greatest ally

>>1105101
I'm not sure if posting on the internet counts as being aggressive, compared to Bernie supporters jumping on police cars and throwing bottles at people

>>1105099
>he denounces it

He clearly doesn't. You guys like to think that he can do no wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the rhetoric of a political revolution has something to do with it. It's like a cult.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/bernie-sanders-loses-his-halo-213911

>>1104095
>Virtually no black people present in the whole webm
Just like the type of society that could actually work using Sanders' plan.

>>1104581
The least shitty country in south America thanks to Pinochet?

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>>1104095
>mfw Mexico flag at 0:05

>>1102758
This desu.

>>1104688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp-r68mo8k

>>1103773
But that's...good. Admittedly he does seem to want SOME kind of universal healthcare which is gross and I would prefer was not the case, but you can't win everything.

>>1104534
>>1104780
I doubt a bernie supported made this thread.

>>1105216
It's actually on of the freest markets in the world, with mises helping to design it's economy, dunno what this guy is getting at

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>>1104581
>Chile is socialist


Is like saying Mexico is socialist because they have Social Healthcare (if you work and pay taxes)

You fucking cucks don't even know what you are taking about, I've been in Chile (a friend is studying there ATM) and they are as Capitalist as yui can be, and probably laugh at anyone implying otherwise.
t. Mexican

>>1105234
pure capitalism is broken, just like pure socialism is. it's time to progress forward. feel the bern.

>>1105255
It has false flag written all over it.

>>1105277
>not realizing that he was referring to the period when Allende was president
Your Mexican education has failed you.

>>1105301

You are talking of those measly three years of presidency that gave room for Pinochet to take over? That Allende?

>>1104115
As a tax resister, I feel the same way.

>>1105135
He denounces it. Trump barely ever mentions it. And you're reading Hillary/DNC press
The "cult" is for the real promise of the USA, the "cult" is for the New Deal that served us so well in the past. You want America great again, time to emulate the better aspects of the past.

>>1105119
You don't know how the Democratic party elects it's candidate. Those "super delegates" can, and should, flip their votes.
If the threshold isn't reached by Hillary, by actual pledged delegates, she's only got the supers to fall back on, and she's not looking good right now.

Both presumptives look like shit right now. Only a smaller portion of the country is going to vote. The Trump camp is afraid to debate Bernie because there's still a chance.

Bernie Sanders is not a fucking socialist, even a democratic socialist. He is misusing the term. He is a social democrat, and social democracy is exactly what we used to fucking have in this country before Reagan and Clinton and Bush fucking destroyed it, and the middle class began evaporating.

>>1105444
Trips for truth.

Can't wait for a president Sawant, so we can have Sawant threads

>>1105124
He has free trade deals in china you scrub.

>>1102743
>reddit the thread
You gotta go back

>>1104095
Zero substance, only vague feels. Yep, it's Bernie alright.

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>>1104954
>I can't take responsibility for the people who voted for me
>Now let me tell you why you need to elect me PRESIDENT


Senile old fart.

>>1105437
Sometimes I wish I could live in la la land.

Tuesday is gonna be great.

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>>1105444
So your point is that your candidate doesn't know what he is talking about?


Here lies two options, either Sanders is an idiot, or you just can't handle the truth and need to rationalize anyway you can?
>>1105437
>Being this delusional
>Filtered

>>1105296
Some things I agree with paying taxes for, eg. roads, sewage systems etc.

But pretty much everything else the government shouldn't touch, they're just too fucking awful at it. And it certainly shouldn't tell private businesses what they can do.

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>>1105468
>>reddit the thread
>mostly Trump supporters

>>1105437
>>1105437
I don't think YOU understand how the democrats elect their candidates.

The super delegates are there to ensure the establishment gets their puppet (Hillary)

>>1105532
The best part is that even without superdelegates Bernie is still the loser.

Literally a meme candidate.

Trumples won't be laughing when Trump pulls in under 30% of the popular vote nationally when hillary wins 60% of the woman and 90% of the minority vote

>>1105508
Considering republicans spent 8 years calling Obama a socialist when he's a pretty strict constitutionalist is pretty vindicating of this fact.

Literally call yourself whatever, it doesn't matter.

Socalist polled better with the demographic sanders was appealing to; it doesn't matter if it specifically defines him as a person.

Most people in the US actually thinks a president has significant sway and can influence massive policy changes like "Free College" or building a wall.

It doesn't work like that at all. No matter who gets elected, its going to be business as usual. Presidents only influence change 5-10+ years down the line after they leave office. That's the whole point of obamacare, setting the foundation for some sort of socialized medicine in the united states, finally.

Why are you idiots wasting your time. Bernie sandman already lost. The super delegates have already made up there mind.

>>1105532
This is still their intent, I know. But Bernie has had a closer lead on Hillary than Cruz ever did on Trump. She still hasn't reached the number.

Do I really need to repeat myself though? (I'll sage) Hillary is looking worse by the day with this indictment stuff. Even if they drop it or shuffle it away, it's going to hurt her in the remaining states and Bernie stands to keep sweeping them. He's going to the convention where a small group of people will have to do the math and decide for us all if we have Bernie or Hillary. If she's losing in polls now, they'll have to go with Bernie. Unless they're corrupt too. There IS still a chance.

>>1105550
She might not pull that in a general election. The stats don't look good.

>>1105579
Oooo, you scared now.

;-(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAJ_74tDZzU

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>>1102758
>socdem who has worked with Democrats for years
>communist

>communists wasting time and energy voting in bourgeois elections

>>1105517
>don't touch my Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan
it looks like the trump supporters are infiltrated by the people they hate.

>>1103773
too fucking right

>>1105726
Elaborate your point or don't post.

>>1105726
Pretty sure that anon was referencing Trump's speed policy against big businesses. I don't know about government having NO influence it's a good thing either. You don't want companies destroying smaller companies. No competition, no reason to make the service or good better or have low prices. I don't think the government should rape the big companies either.

>>1105870
Meant for
>>1105846

>>1105870
>You don't want companies destroying smaller companies. No competition, no reason to make the service or good better or have low prices.
Uh, competition will always occur if a service can either offer better services or the same services for cheaper. If companies are being destroyed it's because they have no place, if they did they would be succeeding.

The only thing the government should do in regards to private businesses are enforce they are held to signed contracts and prevent them breaking the laws that affect any citizen, eg. they can't start killing people.

>>1105883
>if a service
if a business*

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Feel the bern!

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>>1104095
>>1105488
>>1104174

>tfw Bernie was the only shot we had at a descent candidate this run

>cant even win the nominee
>still trying
bern victim is the most pathetic

>>1103773
If you're not voting for a capitalist then you're seriously fucking up

>>1105883
Because everyone uses comcast because it's the most innovative and efficient company.

The terms you'll want to google before you reply to this are natural monopolies and tragedy of the commons.

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>>1102743

>>1104577
>How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy?

Because democracy cannot exist in a society in which private property and private enterprise do not exist.

>>1104680
>sanders is a socialist.

No, he is not.

>>1105508
>So your point is that your candidate doesn't know what he is talking about?

Yes.

>Here lies two options, either Sanders is an idiot, or you just can't handle the truth and need to rationalize anyway you can?

He is an idiot, yes. However, I have always preferred incompetent good over competent evil.

>>1106201
Well it's a good thing Sanders is a capitalist, then. Can't wait to vote for him on the 7th, even if he won't win.

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>>1102743

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>>1106354

>that forced cackle

It's killing me

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>>1106366
Eh, I've never been on board with these sorts of (usually gendered) criticisms of her voice or appearance. I mean, hell, MY laugh kind of sounds like hers sometimes.

No, the main reason I oppose Hillary Clinton is because she was on the board of directors for Walmart, and because of her paid private speeches to Goldmann-Sachs. She has absolutely zero credibility as an economic progressive.

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>>1106377

Holy fuck there are so many typos on this thread.
It's painful how many Trump supporters are in here.

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>>1106380
Now I'm going to post three webms from each of the three candidates who were in the race at the start of the primary process. The subject is Bashar Al-Assad.

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>>1106388
One last serious webm, then it's bird time.

>>1106400
By which I mean it's bed time, because apparently the two webms I made of the bird incident are both just slightly too big to post. I guess I'll reencode them later.

>>1102758
I got 99% on my political science final dude

>>1103773
>not voting for a capitalist

>>1102743
no

>>1103773
>not knowing the history of socialism

pleb 14 year old redditor?

yeah everyone lets vote the warmongering jew into office, theres no way we cant totally fuck this up and become even more enslaved to israel than we already are LOL!!!!!

>>1106321
>No, he is not.
Not anyone you've been talking to but you can't call this an argument or even a semi-reasonable response. I know it sounds cool and super-smart to give short, poignantly pompous retorts but you just sound like an asshole honestly. You basically said "No you're wrong, I'm right". Makes me hate you bernfags even more.

>>1105488
>>1102758

as opposed to Trump's complete lack of policy? Bernie literally has a plan beyond "muh feels" while Trump's rhetoric is nothing BUT fucking feels you useless fucking moutbreathers. I'm so tired of you conservative fucking retards going "WAAHHH people aren't white??? WAAHHHH I he said happy holidays instead of christmas!! WAAAAHHHHHH I want people to DIE if they can't afford things, I deserve THEIR things" like a bunch of whiny little monsters mad that mommy wants you to share and then you turn right the fuck around and act like it's the liberals who are feelers. Patriotism and nationality and identity and all that bullshit are nothing but fucking feelings.

>>1105454
Son, do you even know what trade deals are?

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>>1102743
>be 2016
>democrats have elected Stalin wannabe
>republicans have elected Mussolini wannabe who supports leftist legislation
>the libertarians, supposedly the liberty-loving people of America, have elected an authoritarian as well

We've earned whatever grisly end meets us in the next 10 years. Ron Paul, forgive us

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>>1107795
Like what? So far all I've heard about Bernie's policies is "I'm lazy and the government should take care of me" and fucking weeeeeeed duuuuuuude

>>1107771
Well, I AM right. He's not a socialist.

He believes in private property.
He believes in private enterprise.
Therefore, he is not a socialist. QE fucking D.

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When even nature is rooting for you, nothing can stop you.

>>1102743

If you are actually supporting this senile socialist piece of shit then I hope you and your entire family dies a painful death.

>>1108256

That's really pathetic man

>americans shouting "commie!" at a social democrat

I guess taking the step towards becoming a proper developed country feels a bit awkward for you. Just take your time America, and join the rest of us when you feel ready.

oh woe if America would go the same way and become a social democratic nation like England, Germany, France or Sweden.

Truly horrible, communist nightmares, those...

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I am eastern european and socialism is fucking cancer regardless of whether it presents itself as communism or social democracy.

Literally the only reason why i cheer for that old senile jew to stay in the race is to fuck up Shillary's chances of winning the presidency (which tbqh are already pretty low)

America needs Trump.

sanders is going to lose you guys are delusional

I hope you're ready to lick Clinton's bean or vote for based Trump

>>1108296
I dont think there are people that genuinely believe that sanders ever stood a chance mate.
Not even americans are stupid enough to elect a communist into the office.

>>1108295
Socialists are delusional and won't even listen to people who lived in socialist states. Just like how if you explain why communism is shit in and is proved by history they try to claim that none of these communist countries were actually communist.

>>1102743
What is this guy's appeal?

>False promises
>Wants to bring back communism
>Looks like a wrinkly testicle

At least Trump is funny and Hillary represents all evil, what does this guy have and why hasn't he dropped out?

>>1108300
At this point I'm willing to believe he's a trump supporter trying to crash the Democratic Party with no survivors.

>>1107795
lol it's the opposite. Sanders plan is to raise taxes, because that's what everyone wants right?

>>1108303

Would explain the behavior of his supporters

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>>1108296
>based
>a fucking oompa loompa that got his head shaved on fucking WWE
>thinks vaccinations cause autism and that global warming is a myth perpetrated by the Chinese
>backed out of debating Bernie after several millions were offered to support a charity if the debate went through
>flip flops more often than fucking hillary 'gibsmedat vote' clinton
you're more delusional than the bernouts in this thread

>>1104629
Norwegian here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Please stop using us as an example.

>>1102758
>you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
>absolutely no respect or regard for american values, beliefs, culture, way of life.

I bet you can't tell the difference between social democracy, democratic socialism or socialism.
Americans have 0 understanding of basic political economy - you included.

>>1108298
Yes, socialism is bad.
>pillage the movement for ideas over and over
We truly live in a capitalist society.
>capitalism is inherently amoral, thus power always flows to the state in an attempt to control it
All of us and our land are absolutely free.
>anti-trust laws, competition laws
Where democracy and the will of the people reign supreme.
>failure to contain capitalism will result in rampant government corruption as corporations attempt to rig the game in their favour
A system that is natural, and beautiful.
>competition is not a sustainable long-term model, which is why monopolies arise, we long for each other and security
That will keep going forever and ever.
>automation will render menial labour obsolete, it will happen in your lifetime, and depending who will benefit from this, there may be violence
Life is beautiful without communism or socialism.
>it will never go away, it will keep haunting capitalism until it dies

>>1104950
This man can't defend the mic from escapes zoo animals then how can he protect the US

>>1105224
are you a fucktard or an asswipe?

>>1108297
>>1108298
>>1108300
He's not a fucking communist, he's not even a goddamned socialist, you people are morons.

>>1107795
found the non-white

>>1109402
>someone disagrees with me
>therefore they must be a member of one of the races I want to exterminate

>>1109402
Its fine to be non-white. Its how you act is all that matters. He's not wrong, patriotism and "national identity" are matters of opinion and shouldn't be part of one's political platform. Especially when you have barely anything else to offer, and blame practically everything on either the Mexicans or the Chinese.

>>1107795
>>1109413
>trade and jobs, lower taxes, national security, an anti-globalist foreign policy, health care, and civil liberties are based on muh feelings

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

As long as I don't have Nazis patrolling the streets I'm fine. Ditto for Feminazis.

>>1104531
One of my all time favorite wbms

>>1106359
Bernie's spilling his spaghetti

>>1109411
It's not about genocide, it's just that we can't get a white male Republican into office anymore thanks to demographic changes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-liberal-millennial-revolution/470826/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341066/Whites-soon-minority-American-children-age-5.html

>>1104581

one of the most capitalistic economies in the world and thriving because of it?

>>1105624

because the dem primaries are proportional you retarded namefag. The same reason he has zero chance of catching up in delegates.

>>1109556
Um, okay?
The problem isn't that they're white males. The problem is that they are republicans.

Not counting 2004 (when we were in the midst of the collective stupidity and mass panic that was the "war on terror"), a republican hasn't won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988.

It has very little to do with demographic change, and much more to do with the country's spiritual evolution away from the southern protestant barbarism of the 1870s and towards the western european liberalism of the 1960s. We are rejecting your candidates because of their ideology, not their race.

>>1109715
Like the article is saying, the fact that millennials have never been so diverse before has everything to do with this shift.

Trump is one of the most progressive candidates the Republican party has ever had, but his position on immigration makes him literally Hitler.

>>1109715
>We are rejecting your candidates because of their ideology, not their race.

meanwhile, everywhere liberals gather and discuss ideology

>WHITE MALES ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE AND NEED TO BE ENDED
>FUCK EVERYTHING ANY WHITE MALE HAS EVER DONE

do you think anyone actually believes your horseshit? not to mention the smug description of the west's shift to the left as "spiritual evolution". hurr more people agree with me now so obviously society is more advanced

>>1109385
kek sure thing comrade

Daily reminder that not even niggers are stupid enough to for that old senile communist fart

MAGA 2016

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>>1109715
>western european liberalism of the 1960s
mfw burgerclaps are literally so retarded that they dont even realise that classical european liberalism is essentially libertarianism and thus much better represented by republicans than democrats

>>1105946
sauce ? dont know how to search this

>>1109945
I'm not sure what country you're imagining but America's republican party doesn't even agree that a smaller government or less taxes are better than bigger and more anymore. The only things uniting the current republican party in the US are ultra-nationalism, authoritarianism, and xenophobia and if we're looking for an example of that in Europe's history I can think of a pretty big one and I wouldn't exactly describe it as "libertarian."

>>1109972
>this fucking cuck

>>1109972
That could be true, but even if smaller government formed the tiniest part of republican principles, it would still be miles closer to actual liberalism than democrats have ever been (or given recent developments will ever get)

>>1109972
also, ignoring that you do not have single proof for any of these claims :

>ultra-nationalism
As if that was bad.

>authoritarianism
As if democrats the left wasn't essentially pushing for totalitarian state.

>xenophobia
Xenophobia could be designed as hate of foreigners. One could argue whether the left's hate of native population isnt much worse.

>>1109972
>borders are racist

>>1109889
Maybe it's the fact that I'm a white male, but whenever I go to these "liberal gatherings" where we discuss ideology, I have never heard a single person saying any of the shit you people claim we say.

Conservatives can't win arguments unless they strawman their opponents. To hear them tell it, every single liberal is a 14 year old radical feminist from Tumblr.

>>1109945
I am perfectly aware of the distinction between modern american liberalism and classical european liberalism. I was referring to the former, not the latter, and you are being a pedant by insisting that only the latter is a valid usage of the term. Language evolves, retard.

Also, lol at thinking republicans want small government libertarianism. They're a bunch of big government totalitarians.

>>1110011
>They're a bunch of big government totalitarians
Same as democrats then.

>>1110011
Modern liberalism is just a buzzword for autoritarian socialism so fuck yes i think that classical liberalism is the true liberalism.

Taking socialism and calling it liberalism wont change what it is, much like chopping your dick off with a meat cleaver wont make you woman either.

>>1110012
The question is not whether someone is a democrat or a republican. Most democrats are just republicans in disguise. The question is who funds them, and who their friends are.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors for Walmart, and has received campaign contributions from Goldmann-Sachs and other big banks. She will therefore use the power of government to benefit her friends at Walmart and Goldmann-Sachs.

Bernie Sanders, by contrast, will use the power of government to benefit the PEOPLE, by instituting a single payer healthcare system (which, by the way, will actually SAVE taxpayer money, since Medicare is allowed to negotiate prices, and thus pays on the order of 10 times less for medical goods and services than for-profit insurance companies), by instituting tuition-free public higher education (which, again, will save taxpayers money because it will presumably give the government the authority, as with Medicare, to audit and negotiate, and thus drive down tuition prices generally), by slashing funding to our engorged military industrial complex, and by ending policies of mass incarceration and deportation that have bloated and militarized our criminal justice system in a way which has cost us billions.

So who's the liberal? Who's the one who will actually save us money and shrink the cost of government? Not Clinton. Not the neocons.

>>1110015
>Modern liberalism is just a buzzword for autoritarian socialism

Oh look, another idiot who doesn't know what "socialism" means.

There isn't a single elected democrat in the entire goddamned country who doesn't believe in private property and private enterprise. Therefore not a single one of them is a socialist. Not a single fucking one. Not even Sanders.

Conservatives grow ever more desperate by the day, calling everyone left and right a socialist.

>>1110026
>Not even Sanders.
Sanders literally described himself as one fampai.
And dont come at me with that 'but he's a DEMOCRATIC socialist' nonsense.

Would calling myself democratic fascist or democratic national socialist magically make me trustable and electable?

>>1110027
>Sanders literally described himself as one fampai.

And he's wrong.
He is misusing the term.
As I have REPEATEDLY said throughout this thread.

>And dont come at me with that 'but he's a DEMOCRATIC socialist' nonsense.

He's not even a democratic socialist either.
He's just a social democrat.

>>1110029
Deluded left loves to claim that Trump's policies are literally how Hitler started and enforcing law and protecting national borders will lead to extermination camps.

What they forgot is that increasing the government role by what appears to be well meant social programs is actually how many communist regimes (Czechoslovakia comes to mind) started. Where are the chants that Sanders is literally Stalin?

>>1110032
Well I personally never compared Trump to Hitler, so there's no need to respond to my post on this. You're diverting the argument away from the point at hand.

>>1110026
>ending policies of mass incarceration and deportation that have bloated and militarized our criminal justice system in a way which has cost us billions.
Fuck yeah lets abolish the prison system alltogether, all the tyronee dindu nuffings are victims of the evil justice sytem that are being kept down by the raciss pigs, letting them roam free is literally the only good thing we can do.

>>1110035
>Fuck yeah lets abolish the prison system alltogether

Yet more strawmanning by desperate conservatives.

Can't argue against a policy position? Mischaracterize it as an extreme hyperbolized version of itself, and then argue against the now distorted and indefensible caricature! When you control what your opponents say, you win every debate!

>>1110034
All I am saying is that by allowing government to expand their role in everyday lives might be setting a dangerous precedent that has already existed through the eastern europe. Again bringing up Czechoslovakia because while in any other eastern european country communsits got to power through coup's or soviet influence, it was the only country that elected them into power.

And social democrats played a vital role in letting them take the power bit by bit by brutally crushing any resistance to government collectivization programs as nazi sympathisers and former collaborants.

>>1110037
>All I am saying is that by allowing government to expand their role in everyday lives might be setting a dangerous precedent that has already existed through the eastern europe.

It went wrong in eastern Europe because eastern Europe is shitty.
It worked fine in western Europe, because western Europe is not shitty.

I believe America is not shitty.

>>1110039
The single reason why western europe did not share fate of socialism is that, despite the left's best efforts and your greatest wishes, right wing and conservative parties did exist and did limit the endless expansion of government's role in everyday lives.

Look at France. It was the coalition of centre and right parties that prevented the insane levels of nationalization that communists and social democrats advocated.

>>1110048
Actually, the reason why western Europe did not share the fate of socialism is because they didn't elect socialists. They elected social democrats. The happy medium that brought them prosperity.

Czechoslovakia elected literal socialists. The people they elected didn't just say, "Hey, we'll give you a single payer healthcare system!" They said, "We'll give you a single payer healthcare system, oh, and also a socialist fucking state, in which private property and private enterprise do not exist."

As I have said, time and time again, there are no elected (or electable) socialists in the United States of America. We will not share the dismal fate of Czechoslovakia.

>>1110051
>The happy medium that brought them prosperity.

No, America defending them against the Soviets for 50 years brought them prosperity.

Why would anybody not want to vote for Bernie? Blows my mind.

>>1110117

>>1107858

>>1104870
this tbqh

>>1110048
Semi socialist nations. They own property. BTW NONE of these European nations would be able to afford their huge entitlements without the American taxpayer paying for their defense. Which we wont be doing anymore.

>>1110117
Maybe I don't want to be forced by gunpoint to pay for others peoples shit? EH maybe that?

>>1110767
You are always forced to do that. Enjoy living in a country with taxes.

>>1110794
So let's just add to it?

>>1110797
Why not? You pay for people's shit, people pay for your shit if needed.

>>1105946
I love how fitting the music is to it
glorious

>>1110803
Sweet so I'll just go on welfare and be a neet! Fuck work

>>1102743
I hope he wins otherwise I have to vote for Donald Trump

>>1104981
yeaaa-...awww

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>>1106404
this one?

>>1104840
>viciously meme their enemies out of existence
kys

>>1105118
Pulled it out my ass: The post

Testing If I'm unbanned

>>1109402
i'm half white so I half like trump

>>1102758
/thread

Also Bernie has about the same chance of becoming president of the US as me. At this point he is a meme that won't die.

>>1104006

>Socialism fails in every nation.
>WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP TRYING IT!

>>1104941
Trump supporters chants: USA, TEAMWORK
Leftist chants: FUCK YOU, FUCK TRUMP WAHHH
Typical.

>>1111333
teamwork? sounds like dirty commiespeak to me

Can't wait to vote for Sanders on the 7th, feeling the Bern.

>>1111333

Triple threes, must be true.

>>1111245

No, you are nothing. Despite how hard the challenge is he does have a chance, even if it's remote. You will always be nothing.

>>1109385
Commie scum pls go

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>>1110912
Why not Jill Stein?
She's super kawaii.

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>>1111696
Oh my god, her 2012 campaign ad is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in my entire life. My sides are in fucking orbit right now.

>>1110039
>It went wrong in eastern Europe because eastern Europe is shitty
That sure doesn't sound like racism or anything, you racist.

>>1111728
I was referring to their history of socialism and popular support for socialism, as well as overall political and economic factors that led to the failure of such systems, not their race (which, by the way, is just white, so I'm not sure how saying eastern Europe is shitty while western Europe is not shitty is somehow racist).

>>1111620
Bold words, i can only assume you say them out of realization of your own situation because you know nothing about mine. His chance is zero and you can take that to the bank.

>>1112149
Yeah it sure wasn't the germans dragging them into two world wars with the russians that devastated those countries for decades. Not the mention that they had to face ottomans and mongols for centuries, which again left most countries in flames every 50 years while western europe enjoyed a completely sheltered position, especially the brits and the best naval connections which made them a shitton of money from america. india and asia, yep, it was because they didn't follow your autistic ideas that you just made up, fucking retard.
Jews are just white, how is calling jews money grabbing parasites racist.

>>1109314
this shit is always so stupid are we not supposed to be in a democracy where citizens have an equal say

>>1111709
>when you have to make a commercial with $6

>>1102758
>hurr he's a communist xD look mom i posted it again

>bernie sanders thread!
>fills up with angry trump chumps
i am so surprised

>>1112213
>yep, it was because they didn't follow your autistic ideas that you just made up, fucking retard.

Except that I don't disagree with anything else you just said. It was historical and economic factors, exactly like you're describing. What's your fucking point, dipshit?

look at all these triggered trumpbots

#bernieorbust

>>1104581
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
re you fucking serious right now motherfucker

they're our neighbors and they have the least lefties elected

your post is 10x funnier to a southamerican

>>1112800
>don't post on my thread

you got cucked

>>1109957
It's Soviet Union anthem.

>>1112800

They're white men feeling threatened by multiculturalism, nothing new.

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>>1102743

>>1113653
kek

>>1113653
Why haven't I see this one before? His fucking face.

>>1113653
Gold.

>>1106321
>Hurr durr Socialism = Communism

>all these angry cucks
How many of you faggots actually donated to that dying retard

>>1113846

Back to /pol/ you go.

>>1113822
>hurr durr completely different

they're separated only by a matter of degrees, which you'll no doubt pretend not to understand.

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Nationalism, as the truest most selfless ideal and belief a man can hold in his heart WILL win in the end.

Materialism, individualism, shallowness- these will all be eradicated.
The jew is the heart of all these things. The constant source pumping it out like his own blood for his body.

Our peoples extinction is at hand, and so is the Stalwart, selfless, reserved disciplined selfless masculine man- to be replaced by Nu males and foreigners.

>>1114835

>Our peoples extinction is at hand

>said the increasingly nervous cis white man

>>1105118
>ooga booga 1970's china fear

America has always stood for a country who achieves greatness through hard work and dedication, by changing to socialism, you basically take away the meaning of hard work because everything is given to you, the American dream becomes a simple path with an equal end for everybody, when it should be a difficult path with varying levels of greatness you could achieve through hard work!

Don't forget that bernie bore the hammer and sickle in his office at one time.

>>1106230
RIP Cliton

>>1114837
Being cis is what is going to allow us tp reproduce normally though...

>>1113822
Read this >>1114892

>>1114892
yeah he bore it in his office on a little plaque because he never actually held either in his actual hands in his life cause that would mean he worked a day.

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>>1114837
This obsession over identity, race and privilege wouldn't be so big if it weren't for Tumblr.

>literally you

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>>1111319
>norway
>denmark
>sweden

>>1102758
This exactly. Millions of dead russians still aren't enough to convince some cucks socialism is always wrong.

>>1115083
>implying soviet union was actually communist and not fascist

>>1115090
I'm not that anon but:

It started with a "communist revolution". So did Mao's reign. So did the obese children that run North Korea.

Communism creates a power vacuum that will only be filled by the most violent, murderous individual. Those that get the ball rolling will die first, then the people who supported them, then the people who were indecisive, then the party elite will begin cannibalizing itself until only one is left, and even then the deaths will not stop.

The fools that beleive that communism is the answere, are literally saying that they support the genocide of ideals, religions, races, and anyone who does not agree with the state.

I'm not gonna say Bernie is a commie. He's a socialist that still believes that the system can be changed for the better, a real better by the way. Trump seems to be the same way, just in a capitalistic sense. Hillary is the only one worth being concerned about.

>>1102758
>unironically calling somebody a cuck while defending an economic system where shareholders steal the profit he generates

this is why everybody hates /pol/

>>1115090
the fuck? fucking faggot is all I have to reply to this comment.

>>1115090
They were fucking state capitalist. They weren't fascist. The ruling class replaced the capitalists in the bougeousie/proletariat class divide.

Almost nobody in this thread has demonstrated any knowledge of what socialism, communism, fascism, or even capitalism is. That is what you get when 16 year olds from /pol/ talk politics.

>>1114892
Fuck off with your regurgitated cold war propaganda

Socialism is just when the enterprises in a society are democratically owned and operated by the workers. Aka no rich shareholders cucking you of your profits so they can go build a summer house in Italy while you work hard to generate value and profit for company.

>>1111696
>A Jew talking about the political system being broken

lel

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A real socialist is a nationalist, his selflessness aimed at the preservation and strengthening of his race, and its nation.

Other forms of socialism are jewish corruptions, degeneracy, which poke at a mans Wants for more things, a materialistic angle.
As in the worker feels like he is not getting enough of the pie and should get more for himself * a fair share *

But really the question should be what is done with the pie, not who is getting how much.

Long live resistance to the globalist racial melting pot fate. Eternal shall be the will to preserve and strengthen ourselves sparked by national socialism.

>>1115123
>being this much of a cuck

>>1115129
angry foreigner detected

>>1115123
>But really the question should be what is done with the pie, not who is getting how much.

What else are you doing with the pie but dividing it or distributing it among people?

>>1115134
short fat white boy who is scared of his imaginary gf lusting after big black cocks detected

>>1115141
pathetic foreigners who have nothing, their existence here is so tenuous that they get this fearful at any threat to it.

Pathetic beings who no longer have any racial pride or even national pride- only individualism and materialism. A completely shallow life style.

You are nothing.

>>1115150
>racial and national pride

people who have racial and national pride tend not to have any other pride to talk of

instead of circlejerking on /pol/ about how white people are better than everybody else, despite what science says, why don't you go join a union and start a worker cooperative with some brown people? you know, get out of the house for a little while and do something productive to overthrow the capitalist leeches?

Even on fucking /wsg/, you political whores
This entire fucking site needs a purge

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Holy shit Bernie supporters are really fucking delusional. After this San Jose shit they still want to be about it? Loooooool

>>1115070
>the largest of the 3 is Sweden with 1/30th the population as the US and facing a mass rape crisis after importing a bunch of rapefugees that are currently destroying their economy and culture as well
These countries aren't even fully socialist, only have socialist aspects and will still fail. The only thing delaying it is the small population with the lack of deadbeat shitskins, which they're taking care of now.

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>>1115070
for future use

>>1115156
>despite what science says

Science proves that everyone isn't exactly the same but that doesn't help your argument.

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>>1115140
What " else " ?

National Socialism is not a massive economic system overhaul, but to put simply it is a massive increase in state control over the pie among other things while invoking Nationalist and Racial pride to strengthen how willing the individual is to self sacrifice for the direction of the state.
Hence National Socialism is truly the most selfless ideology.
To give you some quick insight, here is a piece of Hitlers speech given to German workers.

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Mfw democratic socialism pays for firefighters, libraries, national parks, schools, public transportation and the military.

Mfw Americans don't realize they're already living a social democracy.

>>1115217
>so then why the fuck is someone running on a campaign to * turn into a social democracy * if we already live in one

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>>1115225
He never said he was going to 'turn us into a social democracy' you fucking retard?

>>1115230
please don't back peddle

>>1115217
>having any governing whatsoever makes us socialist

>tripfag
>stupid
Who'd a thought?

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>>1115235
Backpedal is one word.

>>1115236
Democratic Socialism. Read a book.

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>>1115238
posting gifs shortens the lifespan of a thread, so how about keep the gif posting to a relevance or stop posting gifs every post fucking faggot

holy shit you need to kill yourself you act like an effeminate faggot

>>1115238
>the best responses you can make is a spelling correction and "read a book"
Nice facts and reasoning, retard. Oh and
>democratic socialism
>socialism
>not socialist
>as in my specific version is different and somehow works

>>1115241
The United States has firefighters, libraries, national parks, public schools, public transit, and a military. And last I checked it has the best military in the world so yeah, it's working pretty well so far.

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>>1115241

>implying socialism doesn't work

The Soviet Union went from an agrarian country of peasants to a world power on the scale of post WWII America within the course of 20 years, and only died because it burned through all it's money fighting off the US like 5 proxy wars with the US whose economy the CCCP hadn't yet overpassed, but was well on the way to before it got mired in a bunch of stupid wars.

>tfw you realize that the fascist countries on the other hand lasted less than 15 years

>>1115250
You forgot Chernobyl. That was huge.

>>1115249
How does any of that make it in any aspect socialist? Oh I mean your "democratic socialist".

>>1115250
It ended as an economical failure. How does that mean it worked? Because it only lost through being tested against another country? If it were truly great it would have won, or at least survived.

>>1115250
The soviet union was an entity of 180 million and only rivaled by the british empire in terms of raw resource access- yet it required both the british empire and the soviet union and also u.s.a to fight national socialist Germany.


The axis faction totaled 235 million


allies, over a billion.

And you think the soviet union actually being pushed back to moscow by a nation less than half its population, 1/8th its raw resource ownership, and exhausted from previous wars- is called a good win? It isn't.

>>1115250

Nice miniature

>>1115254
>How does any of that make it in any aspect socialist? Oh I mean your "democratic socialist".

Because it is paid for by the people for the people? Do you know what public property is? Did you go to school or do you repeat things you hear?

>>1115254
>It ended as an economical failure. How does that mean it worked? Because it only lost through being tested against another country? If it were truly great it would have won, or at least survived.

Share with me a civilization that last forever.

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> in a fair fight, none can deny national socialist Germany wins

>>1115269
>>Because it is paid for by the people for the people
I guess a dictator taxing the shit out of everyone and building a giant army is also a socialist society, and not a dictatorship, because the people payed for it, right? Socialist aspects =/= socialism

>Share with me a civilization that last forever.
Don't need to, only need to see what's worked longest/most successfully. Like the US becoming the only superpower in the world and surviving over 200 years without changing form.

>>1115254

it ended because an idiot tried to free up the markets and ended up wrecking the economy and causing the rest of the soviet bloc countries to rebel

>>1115256

nice try faggot, but the cccp was still not even close to being industrialized when they were going through WWII

which basically means that nazi germany lost to a bunch of peasants wearing potato sacks

>>1115276
>I guess a dictator taxing the shit out of everyone and building a giant army is also a socialist society, and not a dictatorship, because the people payed for it, right? Socialist aspects =/= socialism

You have lots to learn. Stay in school and you'll be fine... I hope...

>>1115276
>falling for the cold war propaganda

>>1115282
Nice job refuting it with nothing. And the way you type, along with tripfagging, I can tell you're from reddit, go back.
>>1115284
>believing an old man who didn't get his first steady paycheck till his 40's and honeymooned in the soviet union

>>1115266
wipe your tears, fag, it happened 100 years ago, you don't need to be so hung up over it

also, kill yourself, because the more dead skinheads the better the world is

>>1115287
sanders is a social democrat, he's gotten weak in his old age

the cccp was shit, but you're just regurgitating mccarthyist propaganda

socialism is inherently democratic. what the cccp had was similar to socialism, but definitely not socialism. it attempted to go straight from feudalism to socialism, which if you read marx is a stupid idea. the ruling class ended up replacing the bourgeousie and it became what's known as state capitalism

most people know that libertarianism is the best way to instate communism, so there isn't the threat of an authoritarian regime

>>1115287
>Nice job refuting it with nothing. And the way you type, along with tripfagging, I can tell you're from reddit, go back.

I'm not inclined to refute your stupidity. The only reason you're comfortable making yourself look like an idiot is because you're under the cover of being anonymous but it's OK. I know you're just practicing for the real world.

>>1115281
actually the loss was to the allies, not soviet union alone.

Everyone here accepts the fact it would have lost alone easily. And that is the point.

>>1115297

well yeah, obviously they weren't fighting alone and probably would have lost alone, but the allies would have definitely lost without the soviets

the soviets by far had the highest losses, it was like 27 million people, and they were able to hold their own against germany's eastern front, where as it took most of the other allied countries combined efforts to push against the western front

>>1115179
>he couldn't afford a college education

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>>1115321
the big question is, a nation of 80 million was able to do this.

National Socialism is by far superior to either communism or capitalist democracy.

>>1106400
get fucking rekt clinton

ITT: Liberals forgetting that the US was fighting, and winning, against two superpowers in WW2.

It would be interesting to see what their view on capitalist countries would be if America lost and they were living in The United States of Japermany. I imagine it would be like how North Koreans view South Korea; with external disdain but internal yearning.

>>1105883
>he thinks the free market is a meritocracy
>he thinks corporate monopolies aren't a bad thing
>he probably thinks he can get a blowie from ayn rand's ghost if he keeps shilling for his neoliberal masters

>>1115764
"Ideological hegemony is the process by which the exploited come to view the world through a conceptual framework provided to them by their exploiters."

>>1115296
>incapable of forming comeback
>I know, I'll just throw out insults instead!
Kek liberals

>>1113822
Communism is a subset of socialism, asswipe.

>>1115070
>three countries that all have private property and private enterprise
>"socialist"

Right.

>>1115217
>>1115238
Social democracy is not democratic socialism, you unbelievable shitting retard.
If private property and private enterprise exist, then it's not socialism.

>>1116077
There are idiots on every side of the political spectrum.

>>1116291
>>1116295
>There are idiots on every side of the political spectrum.

You two make that very clear. :)

>>1116317
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
>In contemporary political discourse, "democratic socialism" is sometimes inaccurately used synonymously with social democracy.

Right at the top of the fucking page.
Fucking leave. Come back when you've read around a little, kiddo.

>>1116325
Except not in this case. The US government is not privately owned it is owned by the people AS WELL as many of the means of production. I shouldn't need to explain this you should stay in school. If you think the US is not a social democracy you better get out of your hug-box real fast.

>>1116331
>If you think the US is not a social democracy

It is a social democracy. I have never said it was not a social democracy. What I said was that it is not democratic socialist.

Are you actually just retarded? Or do you just loosely skim over the comments you respond to without actually reading them?

>>1116730
I said we have a social democracy and we have democratic socialism. I wasn't saying they were imbued but you tried to imply that I was acting like they were the same thing. You're the one who is not reading.

>>1116286
>thinking that economies can only be pure socialist/capitalist/communist/etc

>>1117726
We have social democracy. (Or we did, before Reagan. The corporate democrats and republicans have been trying their best to dismantle it since then.)
We do not have democratic socialism.

>>1117835
Socialism is a very specific and very different movement from social democracy. I know because I've flirted around with socialism myself. Do not confuse them.

Any system that permits private property and private enterprise to exist indefinitely is not socialistic. Democratic socialism technically allows them to exist, but only as a temporary condition prior to the evolutionary institution of full socialism.

>>1117900
>We have social democracy. (Or we did, before Reagan. The corporate democrats and republicans have been trying their best to dismantle it since then.)
>We do not have democratic socialism.

https://youtu.be/XA62yZb5tDE

Your welcome.

>>1117959
>smarmy expensively made Youtube video promoting a contemporary presidential campaign
>somehow a more reliable source on what an academic term denoting a form of political and economic governance means than, you know, actual accredited political scientists

You know, at first I thought you were just dumb, but now I'm starting to realize you're actually just fucking bait.

You're really good bait, though, I'll give you that. You sure got a lot of people mad in this thread.