Battle of the sound chips

>>4221831
n64's oh wait.

>>4221831
Can we all agree the SNES chip is overrated? I hate how the instruments sound so tinny and weak, plus how they had to make it reverby and low-quality due to the hardware/cart limitations.

>>4221963
Perfect example of technical superiority =\= better music

>>4221831
for some reason I really like how Sign of Evil sounds on FM
>>>1849702

>>4221831
>>4221982
>>>/wsg/1849702

>>4221963
>Can we all agree the SNES chip is overrated?
I've never heard enough praise for it to ever consider it overrated.
Genesis's yamaha on the other hand people won't shut the fuck up about the bog standard piece of 80's FM crap. Nintendo is lucky that's all they ever really had to compete with.

We all know the SID and PAULA are the best chips.

>>4221963
>>4221973
Most devs just didn't try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbWxBwTLGQs&index=5&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9jd4k8n6W8&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVU4jwkFHM&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ipa94sLlQ&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpC9T847d0&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3qfNcv9-s&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hkGd8x-6o&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0jAfZAWzsU&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51w2HF2feA&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjkUWUVN0E&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf7fUhCEkOs&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXgtQ2-GBk&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp9lxereGk&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTGoIzHUs_A&index=36&list=PL39577E20E536C854

>>4221997
>What is the Neo Geo
>What is the PC engine and its CD peripheral

>>4221963
>>4221997
PersonalIy, I'm not a huge fan of both chips.

Genesis music generally sounds too simple, annoying or old fashioned for me and god save your ears if it uses voice samples. This console literally gave me a headache thanks to Fantasia's soundtrack.

SNES music sounds more modern but is too muffled and reuses many instruments. I can hear the same horns and reverb in many soundtracks.

Inb4: I have both consoles, I love and grew with them but I'm not crazy about their music.

>>4222035
>This console literally gave me a headache thanks to Fantasia's soundtrack.
your fault for playing shitt american games

>>4221910
>N64 can do this music without a soundchip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5JjdFqaVaw

How? Yamauchi's oni black magic?

>The genesis sounds like farts
>oh yeah? The SNES sounds like tin cans!
>repeat ad infinitium

There I just summarized the rest of the posts ITT

>>4222071
This t.b.h.

i like capcoms Q-Sound chip the most

>>4221997
>>Can we all agree the SNES chip is overrated?

Yeah, its all chorus and reverb, never liked it much

>>4222071
it's actually a french game. A typical infogrammes game

>>4221831
SID because master race

>>4222194
Same here.
https://youtu.be/1i-0K0Cb7bQ

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Get the fuck out with your tiny ass soundchips for babies! Here comes the big motherfucker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI2NDJ6TxBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwLpjM70W3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL8t8HnaqP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOyyOPVXh_8

>>4222309
UH OH BIG

>>4221831

I have a soft spot for the SNES, but Genesis is such a pleasure to work with in the modern age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWMN91gMD_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm7sT87AXFA

>>4222356

the MD yamaha chip is much better than people give it credit for.

https://youtu.be/zG1H_88Vmh0

>>4222309
neogeo usually has great composition, but technicaly it's pretty much a multi wav player, heck, Blazing Star music is one big wav stream.
Only the early games use FM.

>>4221831
NES
GB
C64
in no particular order

>>4222379
I love the 2612 but wav playing for the sake of it contributes nothing.

>>4221831
Love me some YM2151

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLc1msji0_w

I really like the sunsoft fme-7 sound chip, which allowed gimmick on the famicom to have amazing music.

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>>4222408

>>4222075
The magic of a microcode programmable vector unit.

>>4222075
sounds like imitation sega music.

>>4221831
YM2612 because it can go do SOR, Thunderforce and Batman & Robin but also do a reasonable approximation of a PSG chip sound with one of its algorithms

childhood is idolizing inferior sound chips
adulthood is recognizing that Red book audio is how it is intended

>>4221963
C64's trumps all anyways.

>>4223539
SID is indescribably overrated.

>>4223504
Being a toddler is blissfully enjoying the Sony S-SMP
Having a childhood is knowing the joys of a Tamaha YM2612
Growing up to be a teenager is learning how to appreciate Redbook CD audio
But becoming an adult is cultivating a refined taste for the Ricoh RF5C164

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envzv8QY4qc

>>4222075
Now you know why Mario Kart had no sound in vs. mode.

>>4223423
That's good.

>>4223423
Fun fact: Sony ripped off Wave Race 64's intro music for Everybody's Golf 6 on the PS3.

>>4223541
Best PSG chip.

>>4223618
I guess if you're a pleb, yeah.

>>4223595
Bad coding? There are plenty of N64 games that retain music in 4 player mode and are doing a fuckload more than the simplistic graphics of Mario Kart 64

>>4223631
Shut up, Sega's music is great.
>console warring
>2017
Sad.

>>4223649
>implying a SEGA console used a SID chip
what? and it's not console warring to shit on a computer. Also, I wasn't even shitting on the C64, I just said the SID is overrated. Which it is.

Elder God Tier:
PC Speaker

High Tier:
FM Synth

Mid Tier:
Wavetable Synth

Low Tier:
PSG

Shit Tier:
PCM Samples

>>4223664
this guy knows what's up

LA synth master race reporting in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-CCoxJUTvQ&t=29m54s

>>4223631
Okay, give me something better. And don't tell me it's Pokey.

>>4223648
Only co that outcoded Nintendo is Rare.

>>4223859
Rare is amazing
is it true that nintendo was jealous of them?

>>4223870
Yes, Japs are tiny dicked haters.

>>4223870
Yup ever since DKC outsold almost anything they made.

>>4223876
Correction on my part. DKC outsold every game that wasn't a pack-in.

>>4223876
and every good game on N64
you think niggas wasted their time with mario 64 and zelda?
it was goldeneye / pd all day nigga

>>4223859
Not at all. Not at all. Nintendo were fairly mediocre coders of the N64 - their own hardware. They were outcoded not only by Rare but by Factor 5, Boss Studios, even Acclaim (and probably a few more here or there).

The best looking first party game on N64 is Mario Tennis. And that wasn't even made by Nintendo themselves, but Camelot, a former Sega developer.

>>4223893
I retired Goldeneye the minute I got PD since Rare was smart enough to include the Facility stage AND included all the old weapons.

>>4223883
dkc was also a pack in tho right?
if u bought a snes in 94

>>4223898
Huh I guess it was. Weird I don't ever remember that.

>>4223896
majoras mask looks better.

>>4225265
No, it looks like blurry shit. The graphics are barely improved over OoT, which itself look worse than Banjo-Kazooie. What was good for 1998 wasn't good for the year 2000.

The artstyle was marginally improved over OoT but that was it.

>>4222023
that sounds awesome

>>4222000
first of all, nice numeros

second, I love SID but I don't know if I can defend PAULA, if only because of the inconsistent LED filter and awful stereo. Though, it did spawn trackers which is pretty great.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsD4ARu-f8

PC-98's soundchip is a godsend

>>4223664
>Wavetable Synth
What is this?
Can you give an example?

>>4223456
It's not to YM2612's credit but the mega drive actually does also have the master system's SN76496 soundchip, and some games do use it, mainly sonic games, so yeah you will hear PSG interspersed within. Most games just used the YM2612 exclusively though.

>>4227594
Game Boy
TG16
Virtual Boy
FDS

>>4227658
>Virtual Boy
Shit like Galactic Pinball had me grooven before I even got to the title screen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y5_ab7dX7_s

>>4227396
PAULA is great for tunes, but for game full sountracks it kinda sucks, 4 channels is way too little for music + effects. A simple added PSG would have worked wonders.
>>4227603
PSG is used quite a lot actually, if only for effects. The noise channel is quite versatile.

>>4227658
I really don't know if you can consider NES wavetable. You can represent it with a wave table, but the table can't be modified except for the PCM channel.

Same with game boy, but that actually does have one wave table channel, albiet limited.

I'm not familiar with the others.

>>4227894
I never mentioned the NES!? You drunk?

>>4227915
calm down there edgelord. I didn't know that FDS also has a wavetable channel. I still think that one wavetable channel doesn't make for a wavetable synth.

>>4227658
Virtual Boy has actually a pretty good sound, I was impressed by it when I first tried it.

>>4227921
I just don't get why you bother to shit up this place if you can't even tell the difference between a NES and FDS.

>>4227997
I made a basic mistake and corrected it, no need to get toxic.

>>4225270
How is MM blurrier than other N64 games?

>>4228002
>How is MM blurrier than other N64 games?
It's due to the extremely muddy textures the game uses. The reason the N64 has a bad reputation for texturing isn't the hardware but Nintendo's software. They absolutely could not texture to save their life on their own hardware - their games had the worse texturing on the system outside of shovelware.

>>4227594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG_TQ7Dofk0

>>4228549

I'm still trying to understand how exactly this is different than FM, I know it is, I just don't get how

>>4231545
Basically, wavetable instruments how most guys put it are like really, REALLY small programmable samples (or waveforms) that are so short and limited while also moderately flexible that they don't pass as DAC even though you can stream low bit PCM audio with some clever programming. FM audio is mostly about modulating non programmable waveforms through amplitude and arithmetic between multiple operators.

OPL3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EDJ-HzVdo4&list=PLA3F90F6FC3BBD454&index=4
MT32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQADZeB-z8M
Adlib Gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUfGyfbzl9k

>>4221831
The Sega Genesis sound chip. I wish I knew a program where I can remix my own tunes. Kinda like the NES music maker, where I just find midi themes and convert it into NES music.

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>>4222460
>YM2151
>>4223664
How about the Namco C140 @ 21.39 kHz: 24 PCM channels, stereo output

http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/burning-force-namco-system-2#24-winners
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/metal-hawk-namco-system-2#08-game-bgm-4
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/valkyrie-no-densetsu-namco-system-2#08-theme-of-lava-cave
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/dragon-saber-after-story-of-dragon-spirit-namco-system-2#27-glacier-land-hidden-stage-6
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/rolling-thunder-2-namco-system-2#20-mission-impossible-the-final-command-round-8
http://vgmrips.net/packs/pack/winning-run-namco-system-21#07-theme-from-winning-run

>>4221831
>Having a favorite / being a fanboi
>instead of enjoying them all

Why would you do this?

>>4231545
It's like completly different. Wavetable is basically samples and FM is lots of sine waves.

>>4222029
>Neo geo
Overpriced, games were expensive as fuck, likely you never had it unless you were part of some Yuppie family, even I as a neo geo fag with an MVS 1 PCB have to say this
>PC engine and its CD peripheral
In Japan, outside of Japan it was practically nothing, and in genneral had pretty wimpy FM soundchip compared to the Mega Drive

>>4235645
This is FM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MozqL_HkHF4
This is wavetable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHLsmr1xIuQ