Why do Americans still care about this shit when RGB-capable

/vr/ americans are not representative of the whole country. Most 'normies' care about HDMI, component, or whatever else is current.

>>4209750
>/vr/ americans
It's them I'm referring to.

>>4209749
I've never used one before, think I got a model 1 Genesis that does S-video though I should try it out.

>>4209749
because its still better than composite

>>4209760
Did you fucking read the OP?

Typical S-Video capable consumer CRT in the US: $0-$30

Typical 15khz capable RGB monitor in the US: $50-$800

Ergo typical markup: 2666% - ∞

Typical improvement in CRT image from S-video to RGB: 6%

Smug satisfaction from having a slightly better display: Varies wildly

>>4209749
Not everyone is as autistic as you.

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>>4209749
S video looks lovely and is cheap

>>4209794
>looks lovely
>rainbow banding out the ass

Have you no shame?

>>4209749
Making RGB cables isn't period correct and is time consuming. Take s video over PALshit scart any day.

>>4209823
I think it looks lovely. That said it is a modded console, my Saturn doesn't display banding like that in sonic jam

>>4209825
/thread

>>4209823
That's because Sega did not natively put S-Video on their consoles, so the mod done will cause various problems if done incorrectly, and depending on which video chip is in the genesis.

I had a Genesis Model 2 with a Sony CXA video chip, and did my own mod on it, and it didn't have rainbow banding. YMMV.

A better example of this would be an SNES, which has native s-video. They look 95% like RGB on a good tube.

Whats more, I can EASILY source a 27" CRT with s-video for under $50, or even free.

Trying to find a 15khz capable 27" monitor in the states is a $500+ affair, if you can even find one nearby, and chances are the only thing around are old arcade tubes, which have 100,000+ hours on them, and require a custom case to be built for them.

>>4209825
> isn't period correct

>>4209854
It's not. Unless you're going for some dev setup. And that's a whole different argument.

>>4209864
THIS ISN"T SOME FUCKING ROLEPLAYING JESUS THIS FUCKING LOGIC

On an SNES, the difference between S-Video and RGB is subtle at best.

On a Genesis, the difference between composite and RGB is nothing short of astounding.

(As previously mentioned, S-video doesn't natively exist on the Sega)

I bought the HD Retrovision cables for both the Genesis and the SNES. To tell you the truth, because I was already running S-Video for the SNES, I was underwhelmed, and had I known that's all the difference the RGB cable was going to make, I wouldn't have bothered. I'll probably throw it up on eBay after they get scarce again, try to recoup my money.

On the other side, you'll have to pry that RGB cable for my Genesis from my cold, dead hands!

>>4209864
>Unless you're going for some dev setup.
So, first party RGB cables sold in EU and JP stores were only sold to developers?

>>4209750
As of 2017 most cheap TVs manufactured do not have component or composite, let alone S-video.

HDMI is basically the new RF coaxial: the main plug in use by normies.

Today normies consider TVs without HDMI jacks to be unusable junk to throw out onto the curb, even if they are flatcreen LCDs/Plasmas.

>>4209921
Calm down. Being period correct isn't roleplaying, child.
>>4209925
They aren't RGB cables. They're scart. Try reading my post. Both of you should read actually.

>>4209749

Because RGB video monitors aren't cheap anymore, especially if you want something larger than 14".

Meanwhile, every major city in North America has hundreds of free high-end tube TVs with S-Video inputs.

>>4209963
SCART cables carry (in most cases) RGB.

What sort of mental gymnastics are you performing here?

>>4209994
>SCART cables carry (in most cases) RGB.
No they don't. Doesn't matter if you talking about scart in general or with consoles. The only console the could be argued to have released en masse with RGB SCART was the Saturn. Finding period scart cables is a rarity be it 1st or 3rd party cables.

>What sort of mental gymnastics are you performing here?
I deal in facts retard. Migrants like you wouldn't understand.

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What does an RGB cable look like?

>>4210001
Good luck. These PALshit kids think SCART = RGB.

>>4209998
>. Finding period scart cables is a rarity be it 1st or 3rd party cables.
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
OH GOD
AMERICLAPS ARE INCREDIBLE

>>4209994
>What sort of mental gymnastics are you performing here?

The kind of mental gymnastics that make people refer to composite as RCA. It's all about the connector, not what signal it's carrying.

>>4210023
I spent over a year of hard looking for a new official PS1 SCART cable. I only see around 3 max come up on ebay a year just casually looking and they are almost always used. I've had this argument multiple times with you retards. It's gotten sad at this point. Paid $145 with the shipping, case you care. They are that rare and I already had people/friends offer more to get it. Anyway you'll reply with the usual 3rd world ignorance most likely.

Facts are that period scart cables outside of Saturn are extremely rare. Especially new in box. Any PALretard saying SCART was everywhere is right but RGB SCART wasn't.

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You SCART and RGB deniers are actually fucked in the head, you know that?

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>>4210039
whatever you say dude

1 zł is 0.275524 U.S. dollars

>>4210059
Yep here we go with this retard shit. Your 3rd world level reading comprehension. Same shit every time.

>>4210039
>Especially new in box
Now these are your problems.
They used to be cheaper, but of course they were not "everywhere".
Look for used JP21 cables and rewire them/make an adapter.

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>>4210039
Paid like 1/5 of that just a few weeks ago. Sure they're relatively uncommon but the prices you yanks have to shell out for anything with the magic three letters is actually fucking insane.

Maybe look into using component cables with a breakout box for sync? You can even swap pins 5 and 6 internally for sync on luma if composite video isn't good enough for you.

>>4210059
>chinese cables that may or may not actually be RGB wired
w e w

>>4210067
I didn't want it to used.
It's a cable for the most successful retro console and one of the most successful consoles ever. You simply can't buy 1st party cables. Last one on ebay sold for over $100 used. To say RGB SCART was common in the 90s is a joke to say the least. A fucking joke.

>>4210068
You really didn't and you have poor reading comprehension like the other guy.

>>4210074
Get ready to see some shit. Like I said these paltards pull it every time I bring up the official PS1 cables.

>>4210074
that last one is original sony one, and they are all fucking RGB SCART

>>4210001
Depends on the cable. Nice reddit meme, by the way.

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>>4210059
>>4210065
The bottom listing is an official sony cable you fucking humps.

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>>4210083
>that last one is original sony one, and they are all fucking RGB SCART

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>>4210079
ok

>>4210046

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>>4210086
It's not retard.
>>4210091
Not the PS1 dumbass. As said excellent 3rd world reading comprehension. It's not even retro.

>>4210097
Import SCPH-1050 from Japan and make an adapter for SCART (or JP-21 to BNC). These are still cheap.
I don't understand your hate for used items in this hobby.

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>>4210079
>I didn't want it to used
That's some hardcore freudian shit right there. Wanna tell me about your mother, anon?

>>4210091
Heh, snap!

>>4210097
Oh jeez, fucked in the head as I suspected. KYS.

>>4210079
Oh it never ends. Wearing 50Hz like a badge of pride, it's absolute insanity.

>>4210112
I bought it for my collection not to use. I already have JP21 cables 1st/3rd party and custom. They're easy to buy. I use one from Micomsoft atm. I have no use for SCART and it's a terrible standard.
>>4210116
Your lack of reading comprehension is pathetic. Maybe it's a mental disorder? You are 3rd world so who knows.

>RGB-capable video monitors are fairly cheap in the US
Send me a link to some good rgb capable Trinitrons that I can pick up for free/cheap in the US.
Links to eBay listings of pvms smaller than 13in don't apply. Not interested.
Til then I'll keep using my 36in Trinitron I got for free that has svideo

>>4210125
What makes SCART any worse than other connections?

>>4209749
>RGB-capable video monitors

What is this newfangled technology you speak of? I haven't seen these anywhere.

S-video looks very sharp on my LCD TV. It's the clearest natural signal I can get on older consoles like my PSOne. To my knowledge, the only connectivity available to the console is RF, composite and S-video.

The only thing that bugs me at the moment is that my TV doesn't have a configuration menu for overscan, so the image is scaled too high and the boundaries of the screen cover up several pixels. I already looked online for a service menu code to see if I could change the overscan settings, but there doesn't appear to be a code that works with my television set.

>>4210134
It's huge? It's powered? Not hot swapable? It's not suited for "real" coax cables so it's susceptible to the issues that brings?

If you really want a do it all style connector the DIN connectors would had been a better choice for the period.

>>4210134
It's prone to cross-talk due to poor shielding and an overall poor design. It supplies a worse RGB image than your typical BNC cable rig would, and the vast majority of consumer SCART cables are only wired for composite, not RGB.

>>4210039
>Any PALretard saying SCART was everywhere is right but RGB SCART wasn't.
Stop it retard, in europe xbox360 included first party rgb scart were common as fuck

>>4210150
Not retro, irrelevant to this discussion.

>>4210143
>>4210147
None of this is true. But, remember, Americans know everything! Even more than people who actually experienced it.

>>4210150
>xbox360
Thanks for continually showing your 3rd world reading comprehension. Not really though and you should leave.

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>>4210157
Please explain how having 5 volts next to your audio lines and video lines is good? Oh and none of those wires are shielded either since the standard doesn't call for that.

>>4210157
It's literally a flawed design, it's not a secret. You're not special.

>>4210161
Where did you hear this shit? Oh, but you're retarded. I can tell by your image. But seriously, you need to actually look into this yourself, rather than regurgitating half-truths and lies. You probably have never made any cables.

>>4210167
>Where did you hear this shit?
You don't know the own standard you're fanboying for. I expect nothing less from 3rd worlders.

>>4210169
You're just so laughably uninformed about everything you claim to have expertise in. How pathetic.

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>this thread

>>4210170
You do know that anyone can go google the pinout of scart cables and see the 5 volt line right? Like you don't need to know anything about electronics. I'm giving you credit that you're trolling at this point and really not this dumb.

>>4209952

You really don't like 'normies' do you?

>>4210176
t. never used, built, or even seen one

>>4210176
Remove this (harmless because DC) 5v line then.

It's not like you need the switching and blanking signals anyhow, what with your cobbled together setups.

>>4210179
And there's the newage meme. How'd I guess you were dumb. The underage shit explains that.

>>4210186
You're modding the wire then and the argument was about the standard not your hobbiest skills. Another display of 3rd world reading comprehension.

>>4210187
OK, call everyone who doesn't buy your bullshit dumb. Hope you feel better about yourself, kid. Keep reaching for those grapes.

>>4210190
The standard is the connection, not the wiring.

I love how the defining characteristic of a failed argument here is arguing over semantics and constantly shifting the goalposts.

It's so adorable.

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>>4210192
I have the pdf of the standard right here that recommends how to make the wire. It's power with 5v or 12v and is not shielded. I'd probably stop posting. But you wont.
>>4210194
Nope. Sorry, kiddo.

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>>4210219
Again kid. And you have to be underageb& at this point. I'm talking about the standard. Not your fucking hobbyist skills. This standard i'm using as reference to back up my claims is (copy pasted) The European Standard EN 50049-1:1997 with the incorporation of amendment A1:1998 has the status of a British Standard.

Stop posting. You have nothing to back your shit up. You're wrong about everything and have terrible reading comprehension. You're as 3rd world as it gets.

Pretty sure this is just another babbages troll thread. He drops his trip to avoid getting filtered.

Just hide the thread and move on.

>>4209749
>RGB-capable video monitors
>>4209749
>fairly cheap
For what they are, yes. They are fairly cheap. They are not relatively cheap however. A cheap one may need overhauling. An expensive one costs way more than the free 32" on craigslist right now within 20 minutes of where you live.

The difference overall between composite and s-video that most people confuse my tv for a monitor when it is on. I don't even have a good tv....just some 20" that had 1 s-video.

The cost is huge, and the visual impact is much less than the jump from composite.....

However

I have been eyeballing a few of these locally. I really like the frames/cases on these. Handles are pretty bad-ass. Someone posted a site that was still making rgb crt for museums, and the prices were high, but fair. My next Crt may be my last crt, and new.

>>4210234
So, because one implementation of RGB over SCART is not done properly, they all are? This is your argument? Because it applies to no one and nothing. It's you screaming at nothing, basically. Why are you even upset about something that has no impact on anyone anymore?

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>>4210247
>I can't read the post
We're done. You've failed at every attempt to move the goalposts. Your shit has been disproved and I've backed all my claims. What I said is factual as backed up by The European Standard EN 50049-1:1997 with the incorporation of amendment A1:1998 has the status of a British Standard. Again copy pasted.

>>4210251
Yet it does not apply to you, me, or anyone. Nor does it apply to gaming either. So what is your actual problem with RGB over SCART in the way people actually use it? I think you just don't know how these things actually work.

>>4209749

Its simple. I can plug my Saturn with S-Video cable into my CRT TV and have it up and running instantly and it looks nice. I don't care so much about detail beyond that. I owned one of those Sony PVMs for a little while and it was neat but I hardly used it, sold it off to a guy for just a little more than what I paid for it and I don't mind not having it. I'm just not a videophile and I don't care

>>4210254
Read my posts and the standard I used as reference. The European Standard EN 50049-1:1997 with the incorporation of amendment A1:1998 Your disagreement is with the standard not me.

Can't hold your hand more than that, bucko.

>>4210207
>5.7.1
>are of coaxial type
According to standard, video lines should have individual shielded. 5.7.2 and 5.7.3 mention screened cables, and there is overall shield connected to cable connector as well.

>>4210264
No, my disagreement is with your idea that that standard is at all relevant to RGB through SCART today or then. It can be easily fixed when you make your cable, so how does it apply to the connection at all?

>>4210268
Screened cables aren't shielded cables. Also your last bit is misinformed. It's talking about the plug shield. The cable is unshielded.
>>4210269
Read. R-e-a-d before posting.

>>4210264
Well seeing as that standard you cited refers to the shell ground as "digital data" and recommends connecting it with screened cable for audio frequencies I believe it's fair to say it's not a reliable source on anything.

Nevertheless the 9.5-12v status and aspect ratio signal is pure DC and doesn't introduce any appreciable interference to the audio nor video signals whatsoever.

>>4210272
So you're going to hide behind something you don't understand because you have no clue what you're talking about? Okay, kiddo.

>>4210274
>I believe it's fair to say it's not a reliable source on anything.
Well that's good because it's not a source. It's a literal (not the meme) standard still used today for SCART.
>Nevertheless the 9.5-12v status and aspect ratio signal is pure DC and doesn't introduce any appreciable interference to the audio nor video signals whatsoever.
No. And I ain't hold holding you on this one.
>>4210280
R-e-a-d it? Because it talks about what you're asking. Is that not something you can do? You know read?

>>4210282
No it does not. You wouldn't know, because you don't understand what I'm talking about.

>>4210272
Coaxial cables for video lines are shielded cables though.
Here you claim that nothing is shielded >>4210161
Also here you said that first party cables (JP or EU) are expensive and hard to find >>4209963 (in answer to >>4209925 where I mentioned both JP and EU standards). But then suddenly JP cables are cheap and easy to find >>4210125
I really don't get you.

>>4210264
But do you know how "the standard" was implemented?

All official scart rgb cables for consoles were shielded and most 3rd party ones didn't carry 5 or 12V witch was a problem for Panasonic TVs that changed into "RGB Mode" upon sensing 5v from pin 16

>>4210283
I do actually and it's talked about in the standard. Funny how a standard would talk about stuff related to it.
>>4210284
>Coaxial cables for video lines are shielded cables though.
Yes, at least they should be.
>Here you claim that nothing is shielded
Actually what I said was
>Oh and none of those wires are shielded either since the standard doesn't call for that.
Which is true.
>Also here you said that first party cables (JP or EU) are expensive
Quote where I said JP21 was expensive.

>>4210289
>I do actually
Clearly not, you're a know nothing who thinks he knows everything.

>>4210292
>you're a know nothing who thinks he knows everything.
Very true actually. That's why I have many pdfs of standards and useful information to help me in my hobbyist adventures with electronics. That way I'm as smart as my ability to read the manuals. A skill you lack.

>>4209749
How do I even hook up an RGB cable to a tv that doesn't have it? No tvs have I seen here in Americana has RGB output, besides component but those are now on flatscreen LSD tvs. I go and go to goodwills, flea markets and not once have I seen CRT TVs anymore especially ones with RGB output. Why must you guys tease me?

>>4210289
>Quote where I said JP21 was expensive.
You keep avoiding possibility of using JP21 cables (which are even period correct) and keep dancing around official complete in box scart cables, only to start shitting on scart specifications later.
There should be reasons for avoiding JP RGB cables, right? When I offered buying 1st party EU or JP RGB cables you absolutely had to ignore JP.

>>4210301
You know about a standard that applies to precisely nothing relevant to this board. You'll find most consumer cables are not even wired as you describe. You're dribbling shit.

>>4210305
What part of me buying the scart cable for my collection don't you understand? It's an extremely rare PS1 accessory if not the rarest 1st party one that was actually available to buy.

>>4210302
It's your problem for being third world.

>>4210307
Which are custom cables or just garbage. Not a unique situation to scart.
Hey I'm just repeating myself...

>>4210309
>my collection
HAHAHAHA you collectorfags are the worst. Americans are so driven by consumerism.
>>4210316
You're complaining that the ones according to your standard are garbage, you idiot. Now the ones that fix your issue are bad, too? You're so stupid.

>>4210309
I don't get collecting pure utility things.
With your knowledge you can (and should) make your own RGB cables, shielded and properly wired instead of chasing official cable made to specs you dislike

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>>4210312
america is third world now?

>>4210330
Yes, have you seen it? They build houses out of wood.

>>4210330
You guys break historical monuments. Like ISIS or some barbarians.

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>>4210330
Does this look first world?

Somewhat related, i got an official svideo cable for my snes, but its a bit dirty. The pins and the outside rim or whatever is called. Whats the best way to clean? Alcohol?

>>4210348
>Does this look first world?

There's urban decay all over the U.S., not just Detroit. Rural towns in the South are especially bad since officials make no effort to fix or maintain infrastructure. It's like living in a post-apocalyptic film.

>>4210328
I did till the Micsomsoft cables came out. Before that I just repurposed component cables and made some jp21 cables.
>>4210319
Do the goal posts get heavy?

Nice to see this thread is still up

>>4210143
>not hot swapable
absolute lie

>>4210001
It's candycane striped red-green-blue, hence the name. It had a hookup for the console at one end, and at the other it has one neil connector per pixel, so in 480i it has 345,600 connectors, numbered in 0 to 345,599.

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>>4211285

>>4209749
>RGB-capable video monitors are fairly cheap in the US
Spoken like the dumb eurotard you are

>>4209749
Because my TV only supports up to S-Video and I'm not getting a new one just to spend a bunch of money on more cables for a minimal upgrade

>RGB-capable video monitors are fairly cheap in the US
only if you want a shitty little tv thats about 8in.
anything of substantial size is far from cheap
meanwhile I can go on CL and get a nice crt with svideo for free

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>>4209749
>he hasn't dranken the 5 pin din koolaid

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>>4209749
1. S-video is not shit.
2. RGB monitors are not "fairly cheap" especially in large sizes.
3. Large RGB monitors are also uncommon unless you pay ridiculous prices on ebay
4. S-video capable televisions are both common and cheap, even in the very large sizes.

Now if you said Component video that would be a bit different. When it comes down to picking among the televisions and monitors in the market with S-video and Component you should be looking at other factors than just the type of input signal it can take. I'll take a near-mint 36" S-video television over a banged up 36" Component television every day. Especially since the S-video TV probably has a curved tube.

If it's a very old CRT it may have properties like color processing or screen design which I find preferable. Or I might just like how it looks. pic related.

Still, it's about what you can find in your area.

>>4209923
I'd say if you're going to go with S-video you'd probably do best to go the emulation route with a system that can put out a high quality video signal in native resolution. There is a lot of quality to be gained that way.

I cant even find good s-video cables for my SNES
Much less a RGB monitor, I wish I could get one

>>4209749
S-video is amazing though
I used to buy high quality 2004-2005 Sony CRTs for 50 dollars that had S-video
Playing PS2/PS1, SNES and N64 was pretty good

>>4213732
>I cant even find good s-video cables for my SNES
I found a chinese story on aliexpress that sold good quality s-video cables for SNES/N64 without the checkerboarding issue. I compared it to my 90 dollar monster cable and has identical picture quality
I ordered like 5 2 years ago but sold all except one which I use regularly

*store

>Ctrl+f
>No mention of Framemeister

I'm both ashamed and impressed

>>4213845
why would you need such an idiotic device?

>>4213851
because DUDE CLASSIC GAME ROOM BROADCAST FROM THE INTERGALATIC SPACE ARCADE said it's good to play vectrex, NES and El Camino

>>4213832
So I assume the store doesn't sell them anymore?
I would like one for all my Nintendo consoles up to GC

>>4213863
The store is this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-1-8m-Tracking-S-Video-Cable-AV-For-Nintendo-N64-S-Gameboy-Black/32694134033.html

You can also find on ebay. If you live in pal territory check for auz_retro_gaming_store on ebay the cables there are decent. There is also a UK store that sells PAL s-video cables but I don't remember the name right now

Why do /vr/ posters care so much about what video signal other people use to play video games?

>>4213872
Thank you, i have never bought something from Ali
so lets hope everything goes alright

>>4213897
Because /vr/ is full of jealous buttdestroyed americlaps

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>>4213863
>I would like one for all my Nintendo consoles up to GC
I just picked up a generic 3 way svideo/rca audio plugs from ebay for $5. I was actually impressed. The difference on the PSX is phenomenal. My wife confused the tv for a monitor. The difference is astounding.
The clarity difference on the GC is less noticeable. My 64 has been over at moms since 98, and I am curious to see how much an impact it makes there.
Not suprisingly, the xbox look only slightly more clear, and it may just be an optical illusion. I think the svideo out on the box is on craptastic composite quality.

I tested it because the wires have an rca as well. I plugged it into port 2, and the svideo in port 1. I flipped around and used my wife as a blind tester. She actually hates this shit, so I think she would give an honest and fair opinion.

IF it were me, and you could not first find any 1st party svideo then look at 3rd party. I am using this 3 way for the ease of not having a switchbox. I think the thing is junk however. The difference on the xbox/gc was so little...but the xbox was astounding.

I really only play the PSX, and have been re-outfitting my xbox to run my emulators.

Looking around, I found a seller of official Nintendo ones shipping out of Japan for $35. Guarantee that won't last the night. Free shipping also.

If you are serious about Snes and 64, this would be the way to go. Someone else would have to vouch for the quality increase for the GC.


>>4213907
>Because /vr/ is full of jealous buttdestroyed americlaps

>>4213898
If you are NTSC the cable should do the job. I also have a original S-video cable here from nintendo (bought during the SNES era) and that 5 dollar cable is just as good.

>>4213932
>3 way svideo/rca
Usually these cables have issues, better buy one that is s-video only. Unless you pay 25~50 bucks for a monster s-video/rca cable which works fine both on PS2 and PS1.
>Someone else would have to vouch for the quality increase for the GC.
Not him but both component and s-video look good on the wii playing gamecube games.
Component to VGA is also a good option

>>4209749
americans devalued RGB because they couldn't have it back in the day. They are mostly stubborn so they still keep rolling with that.

>>4213907
Thanks for the opinion youropoor OP. lol

The best S-Video cables for the SNES, N64 and GameCube are the fat purple ones made by Monster.

They're even better than the official Nintendo S-Video cables.

>>4209749
Rbg cheap? Back to school soon summerfag.

>>4209769
First time I'm in agreement with a tripfag

>>4215620
In Europe they are

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>>4217472
This thread isn't about europe though.

Europe has readily available RGB while america doesn't because RCA said so.

Test

>>4209749
Why do you care about what Americans think?

>>4215616
Post photographs which validate this claim.
Can you actually see the difference?
The only difference is a bit thicker shielding.

>>4217463
Aw thanks. I do have quite a few RGB monitors but I try to keep my levels of smug satisfaction pretty low, especially for a tripfag.

>>4217590
Here's a video comparing the extremely expensive and hard-to-find purple Monster S-Video cables with the new and currently available KMD S-Video Cables that someone tried to persuade me into buying claiming all S-Video cables are the same:

https://youtu.be/TWLPnCTpBz0

Notice how better the black levels and colors are? Good shielding and grounding goes a long way.

I couldn't find any comparison on the internet between the official Nintendo S-Video cables for SNES (also works on N64 and GameCube) and the Monster S-Video Cables for GameCube (also works on N64 and SNES), except for this article:

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/review/3996/monster-cable-gamelink-300-gc-gamecube

>>4217606
Oh the irony...

>>4217632

I got my s-video cables for like $5 from racketboy's store when he used to sell shit like 10 years ago. Picture Quality is crisp as fuck, no checkerboarding and the picture is nice and bright. There's no reason to buy the meme monster cables just because the picture looks darker (just use your tv settings).