/CRT/ Thread : Wormhole edition

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OP text is getting over 2000 characters, had to do some trimming to fit the JVC cloning guide.
Also for some reason took me several tries to post.

I bought a Samsung CRT from a thrift store yesterday. It was $15 and I only got it because it had component inputs and a remote. When I try to play my Wii in 480p there's a split image and everything appears wavy. Is there any fix for this or should I just settle for 480i?

>>4183426
There are like zero consumer sets that do progressive and only a handful of broadcast monitors that can handle 480p

>>4183430
>like zero

Many =/= zero, anon

>>4183426
if you're emulating retro on the wii what you want is 240p.

>>4183430

Tons of sets from the early 2000's support progressive scan, but

>>4183426

Set it to Interlaced, and set your emulators video mode to 240p or 'Original'; it'll look fantastic.

If you're using Virtual Console, do these steps to enable 240p output;

1. Set your Wii to 480i mode
2. Start a Virtual Console game.
2. Press the Home button to bring up the Home menu, and then click on Operations Guide.
3. Attach a Nunchuk controller to your Wii remote (if the classic controller is plugged in, you'll have to remove it to do this).
4. Press A+1+Z simultaneously (A and 1 are on your Wii remote, Z on your Nunchuk).
5. You should hear a sound confirming that you've done this correctly. This should activate 240p mode for all VC games that are 240p-compatible.

For Wii and GameCube games, on a good SD set, there will be very little difference between 480i and 480p; and 480p EDTV are kinda shit for playing retro games anyhow.

>>4183080
Oh man, those corners are nasty. Sort that shit out.

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Anything special about NEC brand sets? Don't see them very often, so I want to make sure I'm not missing anything by passing up this set (being given away).

>>4183549
NEC rules, pair it with a PC Engine for the ultimate rig.

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>>4183549
That does indeed look awesome and NEC presentation monitors are extremely well regarded. Can't imagine their TVs, if that's what it is, would be anything but decent at worst.

Get it, anon.

>>4183548
nope, not opening that 100kg beast.

>bought me a Trinitron cause a guy on this board told me that my TN monitor was shit for retro.
>first CRT tv I see in front of me in almost 10 years, if I remember correctly.
>turned it on, image began to wink to the point of fucking my eyes and making me seasick.
>an unbearable hum you could hear all over the house.

Are all CRTs like this or did I get a bad one?

>>4183665
Some are worse than others, but it sounds like you just have a weak stomach.

>>4183589
It doesn't have a corner pincushion adjustment in the service menu? I'll admit that I'm not familiar with Mitsubishi, but the issue could be corrected with whatever is the equivalent to Sony's PAMP and CPIN controls.

>>4183665
Probablly got a bad one.
Unfortunately with CRTs getting older and older time is just taking their tole on them. I use to service CRT monitors running an arcade, and most monitors I come by anymore and just plain worn.

I'd imagine anyone under the gave of 25 or so likely doesn't really remember what CRT did and could look like since 95% you plug in today look like ass with their caps and flyback switches going dead.

>>4183807
it does, but there's so much you can do with a screen of this size.
Also, it's amplified because of the resolution (1280x960). It's far less noticiable with SD res.

PC emulator hooked by up by VGA RGB to a 20" PC CRT in 640X480 with scanline filter?
VS
PC emulator hooked up by S-video out on the graphics card outputting 480i to a 20" CRT TV?

Which is more authentic?
Which is better looking?

>>4184021
>Authentic
Depends on how you define authentic. Technically playing genesis games on a B/W CRT over RF's authentic.
>Better
PC Monitor, unless we're talking BVM/PVM, in which case equal.
You can get real scanlines for 240p games running at 120hz if the sync of the monitor only goes down to 30hz (Which is nearly all of them).

>>4184021
either way you're still dealing with scaling artifacts, just less of them since you're not scaling everything to 1080p.

>>4183080
My girl thinks CRTs are old and stupid, she also hates /vr/ shit. should i dump her?

>>4184125
She's right tho.

>>4184125
Yes, this will only cause more issues for the both of you in the future.

Does a Sony kd-32fs170 support 480p? There's one for sale near me.

In the instance when a pc crt has both a db15 and rgbhv through BNC, I assume they are nearly equivalent in quality, but would one be favored over the other to get the best quality?

>>4184297
*de15

>>4184210
>Does a Sony kd-32fs170 support 480p?
No

>>4184297
BNC with proper 75 ohm cables gives best quality.

>>4184124
If you use superwide resolutions like 3840x480 instead of 640x480, the scaling artifacts are taken care of. Even more so if you use a signal blur filter/shader on top of the image.

>>4184304
danke

>>4183549
I have an NEC XP29 Plus. I like it.

>>4184345
I have a NEC XM37 Plus. I like it.

>>4184353
37" would definitely be nice to have, though I wouldn't get one for whatever price that might go for these days.

>>4184357
It was over $7k new. I paid $2400 shipped last year.

>>4184378
Yeah, that'd be way out of my price range for a monitor, unfortunately. The XP29 was a nearby craigslist posting a few years back (2014, I think?), during a time when I happened to be looking for an additional monitor. Guess I got lucky since I doubt too many show up near DFW.

>>4184124
I don't understand why people use superwide resolution or blur shaders with their emulation. Just use a CRT PC monitor set to 640x480. The most common CRT monitor resolution available today is 1024x768. When you set it to 640x480 you get true scanlines because the small beam is designed for highres and lowering the vertical frequency makes it leave gaps as it sweeps the screen.

CRTs never have scaling artifacts because of their analog nature.
Yes the framebuffer output of the emulator is expanded to 640x480 and 4:3 but the same would happen with original hardware and a CRT TV.

>>4184417
there's still upscaling artifacts from upscaling 240p to 640x480 on PC CRT, the picture isn't ideal. if its displayed on a CRT TV, it would be running at its native 240p resolution with no scaling.

>>4184484
Show me photos demonstrating that such artifacts exist.

>>4184629
you actually done it yourself? this is why i play my retro on my CRT TV at 240p instead of my PC CRT.

What am I supposed to play Gamecube games on? I have a PVM 20m2mdu which looks great for 240p games but 480i stuff is hideous. And my hdtv has game ruining input lag for anything less than 720p

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Does anyone have experience with the Trinitron GDM-FW900? Does it even work with 240p stuff? It's got both VGA and BNC inputs but I don't know much about CRTs

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>>4184665
No, minimum H rate is 30KHz. Nothing below 480p.

Maximum H rate is up near 120KHz though - you can do crazy stuff with it.

Mine crapped out a few years ago and I bought a 4K flat panel, but I don't play PC games anymore.

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>>4184665
Forgot about HFR - this is what 240p120 looks like

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>>4184665
This is DOS text mode 720x400@70

Any CRT Emudriver users here? Posting at 480i over a home made VGA>YPbPr transcoder using a BA6592F.

Really enjoying Mame games but I want to emulate Ps1 games. Are there any plugins for Mednafen or tricks for Xebra or something that will get it to change my display from 240p to 480i and back along with the games? I'm stuck in Silent Hill with either ugly gameplay or unreadable map screens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WFTHpOw8Y

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So I dropped my TV today and it wouldn't turn back on. I opened it up and dusted, and got it to turn back on, but the picture was really warped. Missing with the yoke helped a bit, but the picture is still messed up (pic related). Anyone know how to fix this? I'm assuming the yoke just needs a bit more fine tuning, but I'm not sure

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You can't spell Cathode Ray Tube without cat.

>>4185002

Dat fluffy tum tum :'3

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>>4185002
Dat PVM-2130/CPC-6128 combo

Like a glove

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>>4184484
>there's still upscaling artifacts from upscaling 240p to 640x480 on PC CRT
It might help if you ran games running at 320x240 at 320x240, which is perfectly possible @120hz on a PC CRT.
Same goes for you, >>4184702, pic related runs just fine.

>>4184417
*horizontal frequency

>>4184712
Absolutely gorgeous.

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What's the best way to get my PC to hook to a CRT?

>>4185359
>>4184021

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Pleasantly surprised about the Raspberry Pi's RGB output. Aside from typical emulation jank, it's a good enough replacement for my dead 1001.

>>4184836
After adjusting the raster using the little magnetic rings, I got the picture to look way more symmetrical, but the corners are still warped (kind of zoomed out, like the opposite of a fisheye lens). Been trying to troubleshoot on Google but I don't think I'm wording my issue correctly. Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks y'all!

>>4184417
>>4185326

Have fun with scaling artifacts when the game suddenly decides to change from 256 width to 320 width. Only a superwide resolution that has both as a common multiple will handle that flawlessly.

Even with CRT_Emudriver and GroovyMAME, they recommend using a large horizontal width to handle games that change horizontal width on the fly.

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So I have this nice little 13" Zenith Space Command that I purchased a few months ago. It's been great so far, but just recently it's been giving me some minor problems that might get worse.
With both my NES and Genesis hooked up to it, it will periodically flicker like the tvs about to turn off and can sometimes get saturated the game that's playing with a white color, if the game screen transitions, scrolls, or a bright color flashes.
It's a little hard to describe as I'm not a crt expert, but I THINK it might be a bad capacitor, but I'm not certain. I like this little tv and I'd like it to not crap out on me.

If anyone is willing to offer some sage advice on what I should do, that'd be great.

>>4184813
Typically halving the interlaced 480 vertical part of the picture isn't what causes the weird scaling it's the PS1 has games like to change the horizontal resolution along with it. So yeah if you are trying to use the native resolution options that attempt to switch the resolution as the game is runnijg it probably won't work I know it just sends my tv out of sync when I try it. Instead set the plugin to use your desktop settings and go ahead and set your CRT to 2560x240 or some other super wide res. I use GpuBladesoft as my video plugin because it has very good screen control no having to change the main moniter I just drag it to my CRT and hit alt+enter. It should work for you, it keeps all my gameplay and menus looking good on SOTN and FF7

>>4184021
Why either of those when you can use the TV CRT at 240p with the right software?

>>4185548
Fun fact: 2880x240p is actually in the HDMI spec.

I have been hearing things on other boards like:

"Don't get a 3DS XL their screens look more pixelated."

"The DSi XL has a larger screen but therefore the image has less dots per inch."

"The PSPGo's screen actually looks very good despite its smaller size because of the pixel density."

Is this also true for CRT TVs? Do larger CRTVs have the same number of dot triads as smaller CRTVs and thus have larger dot pitch? Or do larger CRTs have the same dot pitch and more phosphor triads?

Basically the point of these questions is do larger CRTVs show more detail in games than smaller CRTVs of the same brand?

>>4183438
I think he meant natively. Only a handful of consumer sets can sync 480p natively. Compared to total numbers of CRT still out there, this is undeniably correct.

>>4183426
Everyone is right in saying you want either 480i or 240p, but they've left out the fact the side-by-side image is a symptom of feeding a 480p/31kHz signal into a 480i/15kHz set. Your is drawing two horizontal lines side by side, where the rightmost line should have been under the leftmost.

>>4184417
See
>>4185439
for example, CPS1 systems are 384x224, and the early Wonderboy games are 512 wide.

>>4186358
Horizontal resolution is usually determined more by product purpose than screen size. A BVM or PVM is going to resolve a lot more detail than a consumer level set, for instance. In practice, though, when you're dealing with a 240p signal, it doesn't make a huge difference, since your horizontal resolution is quite low to begin with.

>>4185723
Brightness issues like that are often a broken trace or cold solder joint on the neckboard. Recapping the electros on there wouldn't hurt either, but look for bad connections first.

>>4186564
>In practice, though, when you're dealing with a 240p signal, it doesn't make a huge difference, since your horizontal resolution is quite low to begin with.

Are you saying that since CRTVs are designed for 640px wide broadcasts basically all of them will be able to resolve 320px wide games without noticable difference in detail?

What about 480i games such as those on the Dreamcast? Will a larger CRTV have more phospors and display a sharper image than a smaller CRTV? Or will it have the same number of pixels (dot triads) on the screen as the smaller CRTV just like the 3DS XL?

What about vertical resolution? Are you saying all CRTVs have the same level of vertical detail because they all scan 60 lines on the screen every second?

>>4186645
So would this be a quick fix or a major repair?

>>4186649
If you want to use the original comparison, yes, if you take two different sized TVs that have the same TVL, the larger one will have a lower effective DPI. This can be beneficial in some cases, in that unlike LCDs and the like, you get large gaps in between said "dots" and as such more prominent scanlines.

For vertical resolution, again yes, and SD tv is going to have the same general vertical resolution of 480 lines (or 576 for PAL). A lower dot pitch tube will allow these to blend more, which for actual 480i content, can again be beneficial in giving you a smooth continuous image rather than the sharp but more visible jittery look that some high end monitors will give.

>>4183826
That's the same as mine, but bigger. How do you like it?

>>4186715
If you spot something obviously broken, easy. If you change caps, middle. If you change caps and nothing gets fixed, hard.

anyone with a JVC TM-H + RGB card here ? (not a DTV)
On white screens I get jumpy screen with composite or luma as sync on my TM-H 1950, using an LM1881 cures the problem.
Thing is, I can't remember my old 1750 doing this and I don't have it anymore (will have to do a trip to the friend I gave it), it doesn't do it on S-video, and the DT-V is perfectly stable with the same sync and card.
So I'm wondering if one of the settings in the service menu is different and would solve this.

>>4184021
Just run it at 240p 120Hz
No need for scanline filters

>>4186792
Do you different sizes of the same brand CRTV have the same TVL?
For example: Does a 27" Wega have the same TVL as a 36" Wega?

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>>4184665

>>4187796
Most Wegas have a tvl of 550-560. A 27 inch will generally be sharper than a 32 or 36 when examined up close. In practice this is unnoticeable, the phosphors used in crts work in a totally different manner compared to fixed pixel display used in led screens. Differences in pixel density are more apparent in devices like PSPs and DSs, which are intended to be viewed relatively closely, but with 27''+ crts you'll ideally be viewing the screen from a distance of 3 feet or greater.

Just picked up a pvm 2030 and to my dismay it doesn't have a regular rgb but some d-sub input. I don't really know much about this stuff, is it worth going through the trouble to find/make and adapter to get rgb? Is it really that much better than s-video?

>>4188575
It's not. I picked up an RGB cable and scart to dsub adapter when i first got my 2030 and after playing a few games over RGB i went right back to s-video. It's just not enough of an improvement, and more importantly the RGB on these sets is really left shifted and makes the image look squashed into the left side of the screen.

>>4188425
Is this true for other brands as well?
Do Sharps, Mitsubishis, Panasonics, JVCs, Toshibas, and curved Trinitrons also have the same TVL going from 21" to 27" to 32" to 36"?

I dislike the visible black shadowmask between the phosphors on my 27" CRTV which appear when I sit close and look like vertical scanlines but even show up on 480i content.
Does that mean if I buy a 32" or 36" CRTV that I will have to sit even further away to avoid seeing these visual artifacts in my games?

>>4188678
Thanks!

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>>4188575
Read up on things before you go and buy an expensive monitor

>>4188678
256px- or 320px-per-line games will look basically identical. S-video's only limitation is the 3.58MHz chroma carrier, and that's sufficient for any pattern you can make with a 7MHz (or lower) dot-clock.

For 512px or 640px games, component/RGB can actually resolve high-resolution chroma patterns better. Games commonly avoid those, however, expecting most users to be on composite/s-video.

>>4188967
Anon asked appropriate questions and received truthful answers. Your contribution adds little but elitism.

Also,
>expensive
Said who?

>>4188984
My post showed that cables to suite his needs are easily attainable.

>>4188967
Got two for $60 a piece

>>4189002
thank you

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>>4189025
Sorry for being a little bitter at first

Anybody here know the difference between an extron crosspoint Switch and the ultra wideband series?
Looking into getting one but I'm not sure what the difference is between the two

>>4188794
Cannot say for other brands tvls. The tvl of consumer tvs was rarely specified.

Yes, if the wires of the aperture grille are easily distinguishable you must sit further back. With a 32'' or 36'' set the ideal sitting range is between 6 to 10 feet from the set.

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Finally bought a Sony Color Watchman (pic related, not mine) after looking at them for a while, it's showing up in the mail on the 21st. Can't wait! I got it off of eBay so hopefully it's as good as I'm hoping.

>>4188320

stop posting my picture dumb-ass or at-least help me fix it

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>>4189393
Jealous, I've been looking for a color portable locally forever now. Got a B&W that's pretty nice, but those SONYs are the jam. Hope it arrives in working order for you, the upside of 5" sets is that they're a lot easier to ship.

>>4187614
well, nevermind. The 7374 inputs for my splitter needs to be AC coupled on all channels including composite or luma.

Anyone near Denver interested in a PVM-14M4U or a PVM-14L5?

I just came across a Belinea 108080 is it good should I go get it ??

its in a ab bonded office ,where there is still full of old big CRT monitors

>>4190065
Snatch it, it's got a great refresh rate. Make sure you've got a computer that can output analog video.

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>>4189462
You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar, anon.

>>4190372

imma fuck you worse then Antifa

>>4183080
Do you guys no a SD Widescreen CRT?

I can't find it anywhere, they are pretty rare, but the ones I find are all in HD.

I want the SD ones.

>>4190549
Most PVMs have a 4:3/16:9 toggle. Not exactly a true widescreen TV, but maybe that'll work for what you're wanting. If not then I dunno

>>4190549
in europe you can find 16/9 SD sets decently easy. But most of them are 100hz

>>4189282
Bump

>>4190549
There are some old, small 16:9 SD sets in Europe.
Most modern SD WEGA sets have 16:9 enhancement, which actually reduces the scanning area to a 16:9 aspect ratio, instead of cropping the signal. This gets you the full vertical resolution of the signal, so it's just as good as a 16:9 tv.

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How well do emulated games looks on an HD CRT with a scanline overlay or shaders?

>>4190741
pretty identical to a pc crt doing the same.

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>>4190553
I want it for the Wii, and, maybe, Xbox. I know it's not /vr/, but I didn't know where to ask.

>>4190553
I see, but I want a real Widescreen because of the Wii.

>>4190559
I'd like a NTSC/PAL-M model.

>>4190737
I see, that's a good option, so, it's just like a movie with black bars?

I've found a TV called Philips Dwide, they seems pretty cool. Is there anything from Panasonic, LG or Samsung?

>>4190843
buying a tv entirely for a wii? the gc/wii's annoying banding issues in some games makes me want to use dolphin instead

>>4190843
Yeah just like a movie with black bars. The important distinction is that when you use content that is natively 16:9, it will use the full vertical resolution of the material, instead of letterboxing it. When you letterbox 16:9 content, the black bars at the top and bottom are literally wasted resolution.

Most late model consumer CRT's should have an option for this. Look for '16:9 enhancement' or the like in documentation.

>>4190883
But doesn't that distort the image?

>>4190958
As long as you are watching content that is naitively 16:9, it shouldn't.

>>4190996
I see, thanks, I'll buy one of that TV, thanks.

>>4183080
I'm looking to get a monitor with VGA for my Dreamcast. What's a good cable box that I could get in 2017? are there any VGA cables that plug directly into the console that are any good, I'll shell out for the box if not but I mean if I could save a few bucks

Okay I found a CRT monitor I would like to have ,only problem is that the seller is in Netherlands and im too far away but still in Europe and the guy isn't shipping the monitor

is there anything I can do ?, can I found someone in Netherlands that would go buy it and ship it to me maybe, how much does postage inside Europe cost ?

>>4191516
as proven numerous times, CRT shipping is a big no-no, unless packed like a ming vase.

Time for that Netherland roadtrip you always dreamed to do anon.

>>4191524

Im from Slovenia and its still a bit too far away and the monitor is like 10 euros ...

>>4191526
think about the coffee shops :^)

>>4183080

How do we feel about Daewoo here Anons? I recently found a nice 20" with component inputs for $5

>>4191537
>Daewoo
It's shit. But for $5 it's okay.

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>>4191540

Why is it shit?

>>4191552
Just look in google. Daewoo making low-end electronics.

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Dumb newfag question
What the hell do I do with these? I can't plug component cables straight into them. Is there supposed to be something that mediates these?

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>>4191669
>Dumb newfag question
Nice try troll ;-)

OMG WOW WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT?

>>4191671
No I swear to God, please help. I just want to play video games. I found it at a surplus sale in a recycle bin without a price tag.

>>4191669
RCA female to BNC male adapters; Put one each on Y, Pb, and Pr. How to put it into Component mode depends slightly on the exact model(which should be written on a sticker on the back).

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>>4191682
>DT-V
>recycle bin

>>4191691
>>4191692
It's an Ikegami HTM1700R. Do you have any component adapter recommendations?

>>4191708
You've already been told exactly what to get.

Now hit google.

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AAAAAAAAAA

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Does anyone in this thread have a PVM 1271Q they would like to sell?

>>4190741
Very nice due to the overall quality of the television and it still being a CRT.

>>4190808
A little better than a typical PC CRT monitor due to the TV putting out more light.

>>4192018
hnng, I almost got one of these at my work, but it had vanished by the time I had the chance. Probably off to the recycling center. Sad.

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Is it possible that LCD's are getting damned near close to CRT's when it comes to lag? I'm asking because I'm getting better lag test results on my PC+LCD than I am getting on my CRT + Wii. Pic related is SNES 9x gx running 240p test suite

>>4192384
Manual Lag test is essentially meaningless, you need to run the auto one on both displays simultaneously and take a hi-speed photo to accurately gauge.

>>4192384
LCD monitors are now very close lagwise, but only with TN panels that have mediocre colors, contrast and view angles.
LCD tvs are still shit, even with gamemode.

>>4192428
>TN panels that have mediocre colors, contrast and view angles.
Hey bud, still stuck in 2011?

>>4192461
Current TN panels DO have mediocre color reproduction and viewing angles, though. Granted, that's much better than being absolutely horrid like they were a decade ago, but as long as there's still gamma shift from top-to-bottom when viewed head-on and color inversion when viewed from an angle, you can't reasonably claim to have "good" color reproduction or viewing angles.

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Does anybody know why this is happening to my CRT?

>>4192471
Yeah, it's broken. You should fix it.

>>4192474
How?

>>4192461
TN panels are shit my mang. Most if not all are 6bit per color. Most are overdriven to 11 to achieve decent response leading to ghosting.

>>4192523
I'll take motion blur over the overdrive on my 'gaming' monitor, OD sucks.

>>4192471
these monitors have a lot of issues. I have 3 that are all in need of repairs, which is a shame because they're both light weight and beautiful when they are working correctly.

Yours looks like it's due for cap replacements. I haven't tested all 3 I have, so I don't know if they switch modes automatically, but if they don't, make sure you are in the correct display mode for the signal you are sending it (HD, RGB, y/pb/pr, etc.)

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>I'll never own a PVM

>>4192893
Where you from?

>>4192920
Backwater Australia.

>>4192928
Beg for one from sawmills and pulp factories.

>>4190065
You better jump on that shit right away cause that's a fucking beastly display.

>>4190716
Bumping again because >>4191669
Got responses

>>4192471
it's reacting to melee

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Bought a Zenith B25a24z for $10 dollars. Is it a good tv? It has some distortion/discoloration in the top left of the screen. Is this fixable and if it is, is it worth paying someone to get it done?

>going through screen resolutions on CRT for fun
>find out lower resolutions can go up to 75 Refresh rate and even 85 refresh rate
Well goodbye to my headaches

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>>4193706
Your monitor has a horizontal scanning rate which dictates how high a resolution+refresh rate it can do. This means lower resolutions can go to higher refresh rates or if you wanted you could do even higher resolutions at headache inducing refresh rates. If you have an Nvidia graphics card then you can create a custom resolution and see what the required horizontal rate would be, I circled it in this pic for you. Not sure how this works for AMD cards but you could use a calculator like the one I linked at the end along with custom resolution utility (CRU) to do the same thing. If you've got a decent monitor you should try out quake at something stupid like 200hz, it's fun af my dude.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/bandwidthcalculator.html

>>4193706
75hz was the absolute minimum recommended back then, with 85hz being the highly recommended value

>>4193642
no and no

>>4193745
you must have had money, because I remember 70/72hz (1280x1024) being normal.

>>4193716
Trying Quake out with this monitor sounds like a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>4194105
That was the recommendation in all paper mags. They strongly advised going for 1024x768@85 against 1280x960/1024@72/75, and carfully looking at monitors res/maxrefresh ratio. That was when 17" monitors started becoming affordable, of course during the 14/15" days, 1024x768@75 was almost a miracle.

>>4183080
Are there any old TVs that are flat screen but 4:3 natively?

Any recommendations because I want to build my own arcade cabinet

>>4194823
Yeah, a ton of SONY WEGAs and other 2000s era CRTs.

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Both of these are available in my area, both reasonably priced, both widescreen and flat, both have component and s-video.
Toshiba 32" and Sony 28"
Which is better for retro vidya? Or should they both be avoided?

>>4195346
For retro vidya they will both perform the same: poorly. Internal scalers make things look like poop.

If you're into 6th gen and up, or watch movies or TV either will be good, tho i'd get the toshiba just for screen size. They made very good sets. Tho documentation for the sony will be easier to find.

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anyone know what's going on here?
there's a clicking sound too
I love this monster I hope it's not dying

Odd question but here it goes.

I recently purchased an elgato game capture hd for my 6th gen consoles over component and I'm not too impressed with the video quality I'm getting back. It looks decent at best but the whites are simply too bright. I have it hooked into my extron so that I can funnel video from any of my consoles into it.

My question is do I need compacitors on the empty extron inputs that my consoles aren't using? Will this help tune down the brightness on the extron or will I just have to put up with it?

>>4195824
No, if you are using the loop-through out of the switch you shouldn't have any issues associated with cables or switchgear. If it's still too bright adjust your capture settings.

>>4195496
>Porco Rosso
Good taste.

>>4195842
Damn, alright thanks. Adjusting the brightness on the elgato is like insanely dramatic, even going down 1 tick makes it incredibly dark.

Any idea why the picture quality in general isn't what it should be?

>>4194362
This is what it looks like by the way. Not sure if you can see the 85hz or if I'm even playing at that high. but it feels more responsive than normal.
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=O6v3UxcG_k0

>>4195496
Mind putting a video up with audio somewhere to hear what it sounds like?

>>4196454
Yeah I'll post a YT link in a bit, thanks

Will we ever get a good substitute for the Wii as an emulation machine?

I'm concerned about how difficult it seems to connect a modern PC to a CRT TV.

>>4189576

I got a Goldstar color portable with composite input and mono sound.

It's actually a blast to break out when friends come over and hook up the NES to. It works pretty well but the colors are a little burnt in. I cracked it open a few months ago but never figured out how to fix that problem.

>>4195496

no idea but i love that movie

>>4196180
uhh, I don't think that's the link you need to post anon

>>4196468
pi + whatever gpio card needed for your crt inputs seems pretty damn great

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Sonic the Hedgehogger 2 on my composite TV.

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One thing I want to know is from you CRTer people if it were true that Sonic 1 was meant to be played with RGB cables in mind? Everyone says it was meant to be played with RGB rather than the standard Composite like pic related. And people support this claim by posting the green hill waterfall as evidence it was meant to be played in that image.

>>4195358

Toshiba Handy Book

*?

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>>4196650
it was in my country

>>4196650
I think you have that backwards, it's there's people who claim it was made with composite in mind because of things like the vertically stripped waterfalls and checkerboard shields appearing transparent when displayed as a (mostly horizontally) blurred image, like when displayed with composite.

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asstlevania

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Brothers, should I go down the CRT projector rabbit hole?

I have done the things I always wanted to do in the /vr/ hobby. I have played the games I wanted to play. I have owned RGB monitors. I have built MAME cabs.

But one thing I always wanted to have is a home cinema, and of course I am drawn to the older CRT projectors because of their low cost and potentially great image quality. They can be found for next to nothing right in a way that is similar to the prices of PVMs in the late 2000s.

But do I really want to do this again? It's even more trouble to set up than anything I've attempted before. Maybe I should just get a small lcd unit...

Still. Some of these old projectors can sync to 135khz. That's 2000 lines. Almost 4k. And made in the late 90s! Still, I know from my experience with presentation monitors like the Mitsubishi Megaview that just because CRT can sync to a resolution it doesn't mean it will look good at that resolution.

From the /vr/ side of things these should be very good. They support 15khz RGB natively. No lag. Basically the same as a PC CRT monitor from that side of things.


Hmmm...

Which of these will have a sharper/better image?:

A curved Sony Trinitron (aperture grille) CRTV connected via S-video to Wii.
or
A curved JVC (slot mask) CRTV connected via component to Wii.
Also, is they any such thing as a CRTV that has dot mask instead of slot mask?

>>4196503
Sorry, I thought that was the link. Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6v3UxcG_k0

>>4196778
totally, I own one and had a blast with lightgun games can confirm first hand that guncon 1 and 2 works, saturn official lightgun sadly doesn't

>>4196870
gonna be pretty much the same. The component setup will have slighlty better reds because NTSC a shit at reds.

>>4196908
Have you done any experiments with resolutions past 1920x1080?

>>4196924
I've got VPHD50 and it support up to 64 kHz so my experiments ended with 1920x1080@55 Hz and 1600x1200@52 Hz also added 512x384@60Hz for DS games.

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>>4196671
If that's the case then how come his Mega Drive says RGB?>>4196669
Does this mean it was for RGB this whole time but since Americano didn't get SCART like the Euros or the Jappos does it mean it was the preferred output the whole time?

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>>4197015
I don't know why that console has RGB written on the underside, but the Mega Drive (and basically every home console SEGA released) has excellent native connectivity regardless of region or revision, so with the Mega Drive, it can both output composite and RGB without any modification whatsoever. From a technical standpoint, there's no real preferred output type for the console as a whole, but there were games (like the sonic series) that relied on quirks of low quality signals for visual effects because the developers knew most people were going to play the games over composite (or RF).

>>4196910
I am trying to understand how the different signals have different colors and not just improved sharpness/less artifacts as you go up the cables from RF>Composite>S-video>Component>RGB Scart.

My understanding is that

RF, composite, and S-video are all NTSC and therefore have the same colors (except the worse cables having more bleed and dotcrawl and waviness of picture that affects the color.)

RGB is a completely different scheme than NTSC and has the purest, most authentic colours (though some people find it oversaturated and babyish/kitschy). RGB is not encoded at all and comes straight from the GPU of the console. Arcade cabs without exception were hooked up with RGB.

But what about component video? Is it just a better version of NTSC that takes advantage of the increased bandwith of three signal lines and therefore has the same colours as NTSC but a little more vibrant because there is no signal compression?

Or is component video a conversion of RGB that maintains backward compatibility with black and white broadcasts and has the same colours as RGB but a little duller because of the conversion?

>>4196910
What is meant when people say NTSC has poor red reproduction?
Does that mean the reds often shift towards orange or violet? Or does it mean that the reds are more blurry than the blues or greens?

What about the phenomena of CRTVs being factory set to excessive red levels in order to subconsciously appeal to the normies viewing them in storeroom floors?
I have heard that pre 90s CRTVs used a different color imbalance scheme than too much red and that this matters for an authentic experience of NES games like Super Mario Bros.

>>4197092
RF and composite have the color info during the colorburst which has a subcarrier, and luma has to go through a low pass filter because of this.
S-video has full Luma bandwidth and Chroma info is spread during the whole scanline duration (the colorburst is still there, that's why you can do a crude composite adapter with a capacitor). But it's still tied to a subcarrier which limits maximum possible definition.
Component has no subcarrier, the only limits are YpBpR math formulas that are based on human perception, that's why you can easily do 1080p with component.

>>4197110
NTSC reds bleed, probably because of math formulas, and on top of that you have TVs decoders that more often than not were biased for flashy colors, the same way today displays default mode is "Splendid", "Vivid"... Which lead to Super Mario Bros purple or blue dress debate.

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>>4196468
Getting a PC connected to a CRT is really not as difficult as you think. This thread here http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor/page2 as well as the main setup how to thread for CRT Emudriver are really the only resources you need to find all the right parts and instruction on the software end, I even link to a pre built VGA to SCART cable that will work with PC to CRT so no need to do any soddering. It's worth the effort especially when you don't have to wade through misinformation and end up getting the wrong stuff, pic very related

>>4197080
Sonic games did not really rely on Vdithering. The better exemples are Aladdin, Eartworm Jim, The Lion King.
But the absolute king of vertical dithering in Vectorman.

>>4197136
can i just hook a laptop to a regular composite tv?
captcha 3800 JESUS

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>>4197147
magic...dithering? YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?

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>>4197151

>>4197151
No, AMD cards are the only cards that CRT Emudriver supports and I don't think any mobile GPUs are supported, anything else and the drivers will pretty much lock you out of using any sub 15khz signal even with the right cords to connect the PC to the TV with. The best a laptop will do for you afaik for connecting to a CRT is using a converter that's going to scale everything to shitty 480i sorry to say. If you have a desktop though, a compatible graphics card is normally under $50 online those old AMDs go pretty cheap

>>4197135
Red push is more a product of incorrect user settings and incorrect color decoding (which can usually be fixed in the service menu) than the deficiencies of NTSC chroma encoding. At 240p, the difference between s-video and component is fairly minimal, providing hue and saturation have been set correctly with SMPTE bars.

>>4196778
I would recommend it with some reservations. Almost all CRT projectors still out there are 20+ years old now, and their components are becoming quite aged. Not even to mention all the other electronics, the tubes are subject to a substantial amount of wear, and depending on the model, it may be impossible to find good replacements. Take your time reading about the different models and what you should be looking for in a projector, as not all of them are worth owning, and others may be more trouble than they're worth. Curt Palme's website has plenty of material on different makes and models, and what to look for in regards to tube image. In regards to gaming in particular, you need to pay close attention to what a particular projector is actually capable of in terms of sync and input. My Sony G90 can handle very high resolutions, but i recently found out its RGB input cannot sync to 240p at 60hz. This tells me that the composite/S-video input, which can sync to it, does upscaling at some point. Not a showstopper by any means, but not something I was expecting.

>>4197135
I always use the best un-modded output a console has.
Since I have several consoles I have found that I have to adjust the sharpness when I change to different signal cable. eg. sharpness at %50 for component, sharpness at %5-10 for composite.
.
Should I also adjust the saturation and hue when I change signal/cable as well?
.
Since most CRTVs don't let you store multiple custom video profiles I might have to get 4 different CRTVs to avoid changing the settings each time I switch consoles.
Or does setting the correct hue/saturation on composite make the CRTV calibrated for other signals like Component and RGB as well?

>>4196873
nice, now you need to try lowering the resolution for even more hurtz. on my monitor I can push 640x480@200hz and it's fucking amazing to play quake like that.

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Tempo's a lucky bug

>>4197547
Your graphics card allows you to have 200hz or it just naturally allows this?

>>4195496
>Porco rosso

Mein neger. My favourite.

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>>4195880
>>4196454
>>4196475
>>4197616

Porco Rosso is the best
here's the issue I'm having
Mitsubishi Megaview if you're curious

https://youtu.be/dJFi7W1i7pw

thank you for looking /crt/ you are truly bros

>>4197226
My Thinkpad has an Nvidia Quadro 880M which is a lot more flexible when it comes to output.

In fact it doesn't even need special drivers to output 15khz progressive, it'll do it out of the box.

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>>4184021
Not him, but for your viewing pleasure, this is a PC emulator hooked up by VGA to a 17" monitor, at 3840x480 to eliminate any scaling issues, with an interlacing shader since the integrated graphics of the laptop doesn't let me use 240p

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I'm having some problems.

So I found an old Viewsonic CRT as pictured, like the one I had previously. My issue is sometimes during startup now on my Win98 the screen stays black, and its only when I manage to load to desktop that turning it on/off finally results in a visible screen, although this widens and suddenly fades to black again. After throwing it on/off again I navigated to the control panel and changed the resolution, and its seemed to stabilize, so I think from boot it might have the parameters for the screen size way off and auto shut off or something, but I'm hoping someone here knows whats going on better than I. I'm praying its not just age.

>>4197991
Later monitors have some data lines where the computer can query for appropriate parameters. It could be that w98 didn't support that function. An easy way to find out is to connect the monitor to another computer or boot a linux LiveCD or LiveUSB to compare.

>>4198005
I see, I'm not sure if that's the case since I remember using the exact monitor with Win95, so I wouldn't imagine the monitor to be one of the later models. I have tried using the crt with Win7 and it worked fine. I did have selective startup set, so that might have prevented the monitor from displaying properly, I don't think VGA would be plug and play but similar.

>>4197613
the limit is your monitor, not your gpu

>>4197634
check your anode cap, only thing I can think of.

>>4183080
All right, so for my Dreamcast I have the composite cable that it came with and a crappy S-video cable that has decent color and definition but awful checkerboarding, so I'm looking to upgrade to VGA.

Now, I'm looking earnestly for CRT monitors, but having a hard time. If I pick up an LCD monitor for just a couple of bucks just to use for the time being, would it be worth it? Would the quality be at all better?

>>4197634
HV arcing over. take the cover off and you should be able to see it.

>>4198035
The jump to VGA on Dreamcast is very noticeable. I play my DC on my LED tv and it looks great.

>>4191567
So does Sony, people still suck their dick. Opinion matters less than empirical evidence.

>>4198073
thanks anon, much appreciated
what would fixing this entail?
I'm not as well versed in crt maintenance as I would like to be

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i got a panasonic ct-32e13-1g from goodwill. it has s-video and component. how is a trinitron compared to this and is it worth it to get one?

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>>4198114
found a pic on ebay because im too lazy to take a pic of mine.

>>4198109
fix would depend on where it's arcing. if it's a tear in the anode lead or cap you could probably patch it up with some silicone grease.

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I unironically want one of these cartoon TV's

Is the best way to capture retro and 6th gen gameplay through an xrgb mini/framemeister to a capture device?

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>>4195496
>posting a Ghibli film
Nice. <3

Is it possible to connect a consumer trinitron to my pc?

I wanna watch my pron as the director intended.

>>4198073
>>4197634
That guy is right in that it's HV, but it sounds more like one of the spark-gaps. I've never seen a set with a lead/anode leak arc that slowly. Doesn't have to sound like frying bacon, but that's really slow. Maybe it's just started and hasn't broken down the insulation...IDK.

Still,the lead/anode cap is easier to fix, so hopefully it's that.

First, learn how to discharge a tube safely. Then make sure you've done that. A newer set won't get much of a spark because it has a circuit to bleed the tube, but do it manually anyway. Take the back cover off and run the set in the dark, noting where the arcing is coming from. If it is the lead or around the anode cap, cleaning everything with isopropyl is the first step. Make sure you clean everything properly and leave none of the black carbon dust around because that'll just cause more arcing. Try the set. If the lead is still visibly arcing, try RTV silicon around the area once it's clean. It's the anode, get some spark-plug grease and line the rim of the anode cap underneath. If still not fixed, take everything apart, clean it again, and use some 200-grit sandpaper to clean the prongs of the anode lead, then use some little strips of it folded up to clean out the anode button itself and try to clear any rust. Probably no need for the latter as a rusty anode = frying bacon sounds.

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>>4197080
It's a french Mega Drive.
Thanks to France still relying on the shitty SECAM standard back then a lot of consoles were produced specifically with RGB output in mind for that region.
It even came with it's own original RGB Scart lead like on the picture, though i forgot what exactly the circuitry in that lead does.
Another example would the the french NES. It came with a Multiout port that gave out RGB though unlike the Famicom Titler it does not actually have an RGB PPU inside.
All that one does is convert a normal PAL PPU's composite output back to RGB which might even make the quality a tiny bit worse.

>>4196910
>gonna be pretty much the same. The component setup will have slighlty better reds because NTSC a shit at reds

So can we say that for CRTVs, S-video on an aperture grille is as sharp as component on a slot mask?
.
Also, if component is not an NTSC signal then how come you can plug the luma (green) component plug into a composite jack on the CRTV and get high quality black and white picture? You can even plug composite video into the green component jack of a CRTV and get black and white picture.
.
Are the colours sent by component closer to RGB colours or closer to S-video colours?

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>>4198794
>So can we say that for CRTVs, S-video on an aperture grille is as sharp as component on a slot mask?
Pretty much, a tad better on the component set (assuming no processing and neutral sharpness)
>Also, if component is not an NTSC signal then how come you can plug the luma (green) component plug into a composite jack on the CRTV and get high quality black and white picture? You can even plug composite video into the green component jack of a CRTV and get black and white picture.
because the luma part is (theorically) the same between composite, s-video and component. You get lower quality with composite because as I said luma on it has to go through a low-pass filter because of colorburst subcarrier.
>Are the colours sent by component closer to RGB colours or closer to S-video colours?
RGB, assuming conversion is done well

>>4198452
It's called CRT Emudriver you need the right kind of AMD GPU for it.

Anyways see >>4197136 for more

I recently got a JVC TM-H1950CG and with PAL PS2 the image is shaking. Tested NTSC PS2 (same leads), SNES, N64, NES and no shaking.

I'm using S-video. Anyone know why/how to fix this? I read that it could be a sync issue but not sure...

I'm helping my mom move and she wants to throw away this tv

https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-txj-2766-27-crt-tv/specs/

is this a good one, /crt/? should i take it?

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Are Sony kv-14T1E any good?

>>4199034
Very qt, would buy

>>4199024
It's not bad if you don't mind composite only.

Extra composite input on the front is really convenient for switching consoles especially if you don't have a switchbox.

Headphone jack on the front is a great feature. A decent pair (>$50) of headphones will sound better than any TV speaker.

I had a Samsung CRTV and it was pretty good.

Does this one have flat glass or curved glass?

I say go for it especially if you have no other CRTV and you're using an LshitD display.

>>4199116
glass has got a slight curve to it i think. im gonna go ahead grab it tomorrow, clean it off and just try it. thanks

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What are the advantages and disadvantages of the Sony Profeel series as compared to Wega/Hi-black CRTVs and PVM/BVMs?

>>4199187
A E S T H E T I C
I'd say most BVMs in the 14inch and up range are better than a profeel. PVMs will usually be about the same, since they share tube technology.

Is the analog signal out of a DVI-I port worse quality than through VGA?

>>4199456
I can't imagine why it would be, quality of the signal's more tied to whatever DAC's set up in the GPU.

>>4199456
I'd argue that it would be better and here's why:

A Sub-15 VGA connector uses an RGBHV signal. This is what you're really after, and it's what the monitor will display. However, a VGA connector also has something called EDID, which is basically a transmission between the monitor and the source telling the source what video modes are compatible. Because this is a digital signal, it's probably a lot more noisy on the copper. I'm pretty sure that EDID is just a burst of information, but regardless, I wouldn't want it next to my RGBHV signal.

DVI-A shuts off the digital ports and transmits pure RGBHV.

This information is just conjecture, so take it with a grain of salt.

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Just had someone deliver this wega trinton to me from Craigslist for free. She even gave me a Sony appliance tv stand.

>>4199816
Jelly

>>4196778
You'll need to dedicate a whole room to it basically. I had a G70 projector. They aren't nearly as bright as modern projectors so you'll need to have the room pitch-black, and the less reflections the better. The image quality of crt projectors is superb though and much better than any projector use these days just because it can display pitch-black blacks. If you do get one, consider getting a colorimeter so you can properly set it up, no need to go expensive, just get a tripod and mount it up with a long usb cable.

>>4197378
>but i recently found out its RGB input cannot sync to 240p at 60hz
did you try splitting and or cleaning c-sync?

I have all my Scart RGB consoles connected through "Sync Strike" and they work fine in 240p on my VPH D50.

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is this worth $25-30? KV-32FS320

>>4199209
>PVMs will usually be about the same, since they share tube technology
Profeels would be roughly equal to the Profeel-likes, i.e. 2030, 2530, and so on.

Stuff from the **50 series onward would be better, ignoring the tubes themselves if only for the OSD and service menu adjustments versus potentiometers for everything on the older sets.

>>4199534
DVI and the like still send EDID information along when in Analog mode; It's just coming from a different connector.

>>4199991
Is it worth it to you? You could do worse, for sure.

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Anyone know about JVC 1950C or JVC A-130SU? Someone nearby has a bunch of these and is selling them off at reasonable prices. Any clue what inputs or if they're good monitors? I can't seem to find any monitor or anything.

Is it safe to plug and unplug live audio and video signals (such as those coming from a turned on console) into your CRTV while it is turned on?

>>4200046
Yes, there is literally no risk.

>>4197378
>My Sony G90 can handle very high resolutions
How high have you taken it? This is pretty much the deciding factor for me.

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>>4200023
>JVC 1950C
Assuming you mean 1950CG, it's a really nice 20'' 750 line monitor; Composite and S-Video built in, RGB and Component available via an input card which you can either buy ($200-300), make for yourself(<$30 if not even less), or just bodge in RGB without the extra protection stuff on the card(<$5).

130SU is a lower end 13'' ~300-ish line monitor; Composite and S-Video only. Would look okay, but if 1950s are available, I'd definitely jump on those first.

This is from a 1900, which is essentially the same monitor as the 1950, except without the input card.

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>>4200069
That was S-Video, this is Composite.

Honestly, it does so great with both that I'm not in as much of a rush to get RGB for it as I originally was.

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Anyone know what model CRT this is? Someone is giving away nearby. Wanna see if this anything better than S-Video.

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>>4183080
Since I am new around here, and this board does not move as fast as the other one I was at...I started a crt thread, and never will again.

Here is my current setup.

>Emerson EWF2004

Also using GDM Fw900 for hd things.
>Also, some boring 144hz lcd

Prefer CRT much better.

I use xbox for some emulation, and just downloaded/installed a version of Snesxbox that aledgedly outputs 240p. I can't test it until I find my SD cables, which I can bet are long gone. I have a set in the mail so sometime next week I can check. For display purposes, it would be nice to see it output proper 240p.

>tfw you've been spoiler by the low input lag

>>4200272
spoiled, fuck.

>>4200165
>Anyone know what model CRT this is?
Yeah, the seller does. Looks similar to ct-2650 but stereo.

>Wanna see if this anything better than S-Video.
It won't but that's good enough so if it's working get it.

>>4200191
I'm a bit of an expert on the xbox, and I can assure you it won't do 240p. The hardware simply does not support it. You can force scanlines but it won't be the same as real 240p.

>>4199978
No, and to be honest, I'd rather just use it for video. My PVM is more suited to casually playing games.

>>4200063
Right now, I'm running it at 1080p, but it's specced to do 2500x2000. I don't have media over 1080p, so I don't run it higher. Most (later) CRT projectors max out somewhere around 720p/1080i, so you need to understand what a particular model is capable of while you're looking around.

As >>4199914 says, you need a dark room to truly get that complete black, or at least use it at night. From what I understand, projectors that can achieve similar contrast ratios to the better CRT projectors are only now coming about, and those run well into the tens of thousands of dollars

Maybe someone will remember me from 8-9 months ago. I have this 1960-1970 B&W Philips TV set, tried to power it on today and Screen stays dark. Am supposed to see snow even without anything connected on the antenna line? Or they were already good enough to make it blank w/o signal? Like when I turn the power switch and turn the channel I hear some mechanical switch happening (it vibrates for like few seconds) but screen stay grey.

>>4193716
>>4194362
>Trying Quake out with this monitor sounds like a great idea.
Be careful. The first time I started tweaking crt settings, I ended up at 1280x800 @ 140hz on a GDM. It made me very ill for a few days (playing Counter strike 1.6). Just be careful that you don't drown on your vomit.

>>4200831
It is a 23TX302A (/10F)
Maybe I need to do something special to operate it, (no writing on the panel button)? Sadly the manual seems lost while the shipping box was kept.

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>>4200487
>I'm a bit of an expert on the xbox

I am an enthusiast who just rips them apart and forces them to copy dvds over the years so my kids wouldn't destroy them. Now that my kids are old I can re-purpose.

I found this bit of info:
Only use this version if your a purist and want your SNES emu to look original. It will only output 256x224
Updates by Tristan "SPPV" Gummow

I know that the xbox is "not capable" of 240p. I do not have SD cables to check, and I think my tv would do 480i as default.

I would love it if someone else with a purist system and an xbox would try this out. It was a bit of a trick to find the ISO for the 240p version, and I did have to use 7zip to open it...winrar would error on just about everything.

There is not a lot of info on google about this emulator, and from the places that host it, it does not look heavily downloaded.

>>4196468
pi3 + gert vga 666 + umsa.

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my tv good? I think it look good

>>4200831
>>4200863
Yes, such an old TV with it's original box is very special.
>Am supposed to see snow even without anything connected on the antenna line?
You should be at least see and hear noise (snow).
>Like when I turn the power switch and turn the channel I hear some mechanical switch happening (it vibrates for like few seconds) but screen stay grey.
Perhaps the HV is busted.

>>4200069
Guy sent pics of backs, don't think any have Component/RGB card. I might pick up if it's really a <$30 build like you say. Are there any guides or diagrams on how to make/install? Also would it replace the S-Vid/Composite already in?

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>>4199825
I could have died carrying it up my stairs and my biceps are sore today but it was all worth it. Keep looking on Craigslist good luck anon.

>>4201031
If HV is busted I am supposed to see a line in the middle of the screen right? I had a Sanyo that sometime had this problem.
The electron gun seems OK, I can see the base of the gun lit when turned on and it generates heat like you'd expect. Also there's a slight buzzing from the back of the TV but since just turning the round button to change the channel number It makes some noise for a while I guess it could be a component making this noise continously. The audio speaker works fine too. I can change volume and there's continuous noise going through it which could be buzzing generated by the tube.

The only problem I have with this tv is that it's incredibly heavy (plus being a 23"?). I can totally lift a Philips 1995 21" set alone but that wooden guy, no way.

>>4201084
>I could have died carrying it up my stairs.

Most of us need to visit /fit/. They know the proper method to dead lift a 36" trinitron without breaking a sweat.

My fw 900 is the one that bothers me. I keep meaning to build an entertainment center on wheels. I did manage a set of heavy duty casters (rated at 1k lbs each). I have an idea that it will be designed to roll around and attach to studs in the walls.

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I have a Bang & Olufsen MX4000 and I really like the image quality. However, it suffers some issue that distorts the horizontal linearity slightly, which is somewhat distracting, especially when playing sidescrollers. It's a shame, because I REALLY like the design of that model.

Is there anything I can do? How do I make my eyes unsee it?

Maybe I wouldn't care so much if y'all would not have "enlightened" me about the intricacies of CRT geometry.

>>4201196
I should have mentioned: The service menu offers no way to adjust it, only V-LIN.

>>4201196
Ignorance is bliss. That being said, Every CRT, particularly larger units, is going to have some significant linearity issues. Vertical linearity is usually pretty easy to correct with service menu options, horizontal linearity, not so much. There are a couple things I usually strive for, using the 240p test suite for patterns:

1: Try to get the center point of the raster to match with the center point of the picture tube
2: After establishing the correct center point, adjust the pincushion controls until the white interior of the grid pattern is basically rectangular, ignoring non-linearity in the red border, since that shit's likely to be bad no matter what you do
3: Adjust horizontal/vertical height until the circle in the center of the sharpness test pattern is roughly circular
4: Adjust vertical linearity/angle/bow/trapezoid/etc in the grid scroll test until you can look at it without feeling drunk

You'll drive yourself crazy if you try to get perfect geometry across the entire screen, so just focus on the center for the most bit.

>>4201075
>Also would it replace the S-Vid/Composite already in?
No, the cards are completely separate from the built in inputs.

>Are there any guides or diagrams on how to make/install?
>>4183080
>JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

>>4201230
Thanks.

>just focus on the center for the most bit.
That's the thing: Depending on the game, it distracts me to a varying degree. With something that doesn't move much, or where most of the action takes place in the center, I hardly notice it. But with side-scrollers, my eyes are inevitably drawn to the periphery, because I want to know what's coming up, and that's incidentally where it's most noticeable.

anyone know how well crt_emudriver works with retroarch? also is it still necessary to use xp for the driver or is the win 7 one working well

>>4183080
I am done "looking" and need help.

I had a TV back in the day as a single guy. I cannot remember who made it, but I would certainly get another just for the laughs. I need help if anyone can brainstorm the brand. I know MANY specifics, because this TV was with me for a very long time, but no one can remember the brand.

>Made in 1993
>Had 1x Svideo in
>Had red/black rear speaker outputs (clamp wire/not rca)
>It was 19"...possibly one size larger
>Was round tube (not flat glass)
>Had speakers on the side, and curved with the glass. It was very easy to lift.
>Buttons were thin and wide (I could be wrong)
>Was not a sony for sure
>Not sure if RCA, but used RCA universal remote
>Horizontal grille on speakers (sides) and possibly under the tube where the buttons were
>Had a VERY LARGE top of tv. Could seat SNES IIRC
>Totally black plastic. No wood grain, No faux chrome.

I have looked all over, and cannot find a photo of something similar. I bought it in the late 90s second hand, and it traveled with me until I got married. I dumped it off on my inlaws as a pimp kitchen set....It eventually died because they don't comprehend the off button. It has been almost a decade.

This search is driving me nuts. I am hoping someone knows what the heck I am talking about.

>>4201086
>If HV is busted I am supposed to see a line in the middle of the screen right?
Without high voltage there wouldn't be any electrons hitting the phosphors.
A horizontal line means no vertical deflection.
Can you feel "the tension" across the screen like all the other CRTs when turned on?
>The electron gun seems OK, I can see the base of the gun lit when turned on and it generates heat like you'd expect.
The vacuum in the tube seems to be intact, do the other valve tubes (i guess it has about 7-15) light up?
> since just turning the round button to change the channel number It makes some noise for a while I guess it could be a component making this noise continously
Maybe a relay could be broken. (You posted a youtube link about that set, it clicked while the raster shrink shutting the beam off)

Also do you have a device with RF output (like a VCR or any game console with RF)?

PVM 2950: so in the service menu there is NO option to increase color/picture saturation. On a 2130 it's the PICTURE option on the front.

Or do I have to fiddle with the r cut off values on the 2950? The color on the 2130 looks much more vivid. The 2950 screen is good, that's not the problem (I tested this on two 2950).

>>4201324
>PVM 2950: so in the service menu there is NO option to increase color/picture saturation.
Looking at a little manual for the 2950Q; It should have a chroma option available right in the menu, which would increase saturation as you raise it, and bring it to greyscale as you lower it.

This wouldn't have any affect on RGB though, just YPbPr, S-Video, and CVid.

If you're looking for a more vivid RGB picture, you would have to manually adjust bias and cutoff values for each color.

>>4201324
You should calibrate both against an SMPTE test card using the blue only menu option.

Hey guys, I have some shit dvd/TV combo that I want to use for my GameCube and N64. How do you guys feel about hd projection TV's though?

>>4201396
Man, textured 3d stuff at 240p with scanlines looks so bad.

>>4201314
Oh huh I was thinking deflection for some reason instead of high voltage. That seems like a possibility. I'm not a techy guy but I hope one day soon enough I can try to open it and remove all the dust and check for visible damages, problem being lifting the thing alone.
As for tension on the screen, no but there's still the original glass panel on top so it could be too far away from the tube top to feel anything.
Light behind: I can't count precisely but I saw some light (2-3 sources close to each others) coming from the right side of the set (looking from behind)
And for RF tools, I may still have a RF vcr. Need to check but it is not near that TV. I also have a NES but I never got the RF switch to work on other TV so I doubt it will there.
(And that wasn't my video).

Also I live far away from this set so it's hard to make progress. I need to bring tools from my basement. But I do hope I can do something with it (or if a techy person in France or Switzerland wants to help…)

>>4201552
The shipping box is amusing too.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHnDg7cXsAEP2Sk?format=jpg&name=large
(I can't upload photos on 4chan for some reason, captcha keeps expiring)

>>4201313
Draw a picture

>>4201196
That's the nature of the slim tube, not much you can do about it.

>>4200885
>It will only output 256x224
enjoy your solid foregrounds in Jurassic Park and Kirby 3

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Check out this cool tube tester on Craigslist near me.
ok now I've got an off-topic question
I've got a laserdisc player that will spin up, read the disc, and even jump between chapters of the movie, but the movie will be stuck in a loop, almost like a record that gets stuck. I've cleaned the clamps without luck, and I'm about to apply new grease to the ball bearing, but I don't expect that to be the fix. Is the motor work out and I'm fucked?

>>4201303
It works on Win 7 and 10 fine but I don't know much about retroarch because I don't use it I think it works though

>>4201425
Lol IMO 5th gen 3d gets the best boost in appearence from CRT. I think the scanlines make it look less aliased on a flatpanel

When one opens up a tv, what are the first basic troubleshooting steps, like how to identify by solder joints

>>4201425
I just got into playing on a pvm and i really like the look. Coming from co ax and composite on a meh crt as a kid and lcds in my later childhood, the super sharp pixels is a really nice change from the vauge blurs that im used to.

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is this monoprice switch box good? i want to hook up snes, genesis, xbox, wii(gamecube).

>>4202004
it looks fine and monoprice makes decent stuff but you should find an av reciever and use that with decent speakers

>>4202004
I was looking at that switch and the only thing that turned me away was the fact that its powered. Some say it works fine and has no added processing and others have noticed some vide quality degradation. That being said i ended up buy an unpowered mechanical switcher for 5 bucks less. Looking back, it was probably worth an extra 5 bucks to see for myself if my setup experienced issues with that monoprice switcher.

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The projector I'm looking at is a NEC XG-1352LC. It has 8" tubes and (theoretically) supports 2500x2000 resolution.

I've been doing a lot of reading at curtpal.me and have learned a lot in the last few days. The question of "Can a CRT projector do 4k?" actually still something that is up in the air. A few posters have mentioned doing a few experiments with it, but nothing I've found so far is concrete.

There seem to be a few limitations to be concerned with, and a few misconceptions some members of that board have. Most of the users there seem to be rather unsavvy when it comes to using a PC to serve as the video signal source. They mostly use Blu-Ray and DVD, as well as a host of expensive converter machines and add-in cards for their projectors. They mod their projectors to accept HDMI. Why? Is my immediate question since VGA is quite capable of resolving 1920x1080p and with with good quality cables interference should not be a concern. On top of all of this some of the members there of the older aged variety seem to be under the misconception new graphics cards do not have analog video output, which is simply false. Even the newest stuff still has versions of the card with analog out through the DVI-I port and a DB15 adapter.

Still, some users do have the knowledge of the PC side of things and have programmed their own modelines and have squeezed 2560x1600 out of their projectors. There is some debate as to whether or not they are actually resolving it due to the sharpness of the lens.

2880x2160i ? Might work, might not. It seems like the right person hasn't come along to try it yet.

Could.. could this become a thing? Remember it wasn't that recently that people started using production monitors to play their games in 240p RGB. On the off chance that 2160i actually works (and looks good) that could be one of the cheapest ways to get big-size 4k in your house. With the benefits of CRT to boot.

>>4202210
By the way I know this isn't the most /vr/ topic but I thought this thread would still be the most relevant place to post about it on 4chan.

Revisiting this topic in my head causes me to become irritated when I realize I could have probably watched 1440x1080i video on my old Megaview monitors I owned. I had a AM-3501R and a XC-3717C. Both supported 640x480p, and the XC could sync to 1024x768p. I bet either of them would have synced to 1080i no sweat and have made excellent HDTVs. And at the time I was envious of my roommmate who had a LCD HDTV in his room. If only I had known more...

Also looking back the Toshiba 36A60 I had may have been lower resolution than his TV, but definitely beat it in every other area and had a better picture. When I watched downscaled 720p rips of Planet Earth and Life people mistook the set as an HDTV.

It's easy to get too obsessed with high resolutions.

>>4202210
>On top of all of this some of the members there of the older aged variety seem to be under the misconception new graphics cards do not have analog video output, which is simply false.
Yea, that would of been true until fairly recently. The most powerful GPU with analog out's the GTX 980ti, everything released since then doesn't have DVI-I, if it has DVI at all (Most seem to still now, but I feel like it's kinda redundant at this point without VGA + HDMI being standard for older monitors).

>>4202319
The 980 ti would be plenty powerful enough for the purpose of sending 4k video over analog output.

However, there are actually some other technical concerns. Apparently analog 4k requires a signal bandwidth of 600mhz and the RAMDAC in most GPUs is only rated to 300mhz (just repeating info, this is way past my expertise). And then there is the problem of cabling and interference. 1920x1080p over DB15 is fine. 2048x1536 you start to notice interference easily. 4k would be a nightmare. But I suppose you could construct a digital to analog converter box with the shortest cable lengths possible and lots of shielding and maybe get around it. On top of all of that the old projectors circuitry is also limited in its ability to process a 4k analog signal.

Interlaced 4k should be a different story. You could get "almost 4k" @ 3554x2000i which has comes in under the 300mhz limit. Maybe. I think I will try some of this with my PC CRT monitors just to see if they will even accept the signal. I am pretty sure some of the late Sony monitors could hit 2000 lines.

Should we sticky the guide posted here?

http://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>4202371
Seems needlessly long and complicated. Surely there is a more concise guide around the internet.

>>4202349
Also found this interesting bit:
>But wider aspect ratios demand the usage of less vertical space on the phosphor, which means the scan lines are closer together, which negatively impacts MTF and resolution. It is wasteful of precious CRT phosphor area.

Not sure exactly what he is saying here, but I think he is saying that when you choose a wider resolution you must make a concession to a lower number of lines for the device to accept it. The less lines you have the less of the actual phosphor surface is being put to use. I suppose with any given CRT, projector or otherwise, the best possible resolution will be the one that uses up the most of the phosphor surface without having the lines so crammed together that they start blending. That is probably some funky resolution nobody ever uses. I know you can squeeze weird stuff out of some PVMs like 1000x600i because I've done it.

>>4202385
forgot thread:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40777&sid=ed2f099b68da5953686544f0d679204a

>>4202385
Basically by using a wider aspect ratio, you have less resolution, and by trying to cram more lines in less space you won't be able to actually resolve the signal you're putting in.

CRT projectors are weird. Your resolution is mainly dictated by beam spot size, and at high resolutions the horizontal lines start to overlap, causing the image to be soft. Plus the fact that your lenses are a limiting factor in resolution too.

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Someone near me is selling this on kijiii. I know it has component inputs but does it also have an aperture grille?

>>4202404
Shadow mask. But AF series Toshiba sets are very nice, might have S-vid if it's an AF44. Plus an extensive service menu.

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>>4202410

So it's like the picture in the far left? I hate slot mask so u wouldn't bother if that's what it had

>>4202415
well it's gonna be the one on the left but nearly every consumer TV you ever get is gonna have that, so i'd give up looking for one with something like the right image.

>>4202419

Every tv I have is a slot mask, and it makes the scanlines look slightly jaggy. That's just I want an either an aperture grille or slot mask

>>4202421
Aperture grille you're only gonna find on a Sony, unless it's a PC monitor, some other companies made aperture grille displays towards the end of it. Dot-style shadow masks were pretty much exclusively used on PC monitors.

>>4202423

That's why people get hard for Sony tvs on this board then I am guessing?

>>4202425
Well for the most part, sony TV's were just 'the best'. They made some seriously impressive developments on CRT tech, including aperture grilles, etc. Not to say there aren't fantastic TV's out there that aren't sony's.

>>4202426

Thanks. I'm gonna pass on this tv then and hunt for a Sony instead.

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>>4201261
I don't have much soldering skill, I need to find someone to make this for me.

>>4202118
Seriously? Going powered is 90% of the time the better option for any switcher past S-Video. I bought this radioshack 4 way Component switch, it even has S-Video and composite. Totally recommended.

>>4202349
>and the RAMDAC in most GPUs is only rated to 300mh
You're looking more at 400mhz for recent stuff, with some >decade old stuff having 500-ish, but those were specialty items. This limit can apparently be removed in software, but then actual quality would likely go down.

On the topic of interference, one way to get around this to some extent would be to run over separate cables, ala coax terminated to BNC; This is what high end Barco reference (and many Sony/Mitsu made) PC monitors used. There was a card on my local craigslist for the longest time actually modified to output RGBHV over BNC for that very reason.

>>4202385
>I think he is saying that when you choose a wider resolution you must make a concession to a lower number of lines for the device to accept it
In terms of phosphor area, I believe the point he is trying to make is that when you're pushing a wide aspect ratio, you're still projecting from standard (4:3?) ratio tubes, so you're being forced to use less of the available phosphor surface to push out the same if not more information.

>>4202490
It would certainly be nice to see someone start making them; I'd try, but I'm not exactly the best in terms of soldering skill either. Not to say I won't give it a shot though.

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After so long, I've finally gotten it! This little Sony Color Watchman is the best $40 I've ever spent, it's incredible for such a little thing. Great picture, great sound, and it weighs next to nothing. There's even a flip up handle to carry it, a headphone jack for privacy (though it has a lot of high frequency noise), and it picks up radio.

This picture gives an idea of what it's like, but doesn't do justice to the color on the picture tube. I'll post a close-up next.

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>>4202658

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>>4202683
It has a few convergence issues towards the top that I'll fix when I open it and clean it, but at a comfortable playing distance the image looks neat perfect, the size hides the imperfections of composite input. This almost makes me want to donate my Sony Wega KV20FS100 that has composite inputs and still doesn't weight a whole hell of a ton.

I encourage everyone to try to find a portable CRT, perhaps you'll fall in love with it like I have.

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>>4202683
That looks truly disgusting

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>>4202683
>>4202870
Same size BVM for comparison

Cost 1/4 what you paid too

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I hope you guys are eating in appropriate dishware, not in some plebeian shadow mask plates

>>4202376
Fair enough. Find an acceptable guide then, and let's sticky it.

And you can answer the questions when people fuck up or presume they can use a method that isn't covered. Nicely, mind you.

>>4202376
Fair enough. Find an acceptable guide then, and let's sticky it.

And you can answer the questions when people fuck up or presume they can use a method that isn't covered.

>>4202697
I need a bigger screen when it comes to playing consoles games. If I wanted something small I would just emulate on my 3ds or heck I would just buy a psp that's even cheaper than this

>>4202930
desu the op needs a lot of reformatting before we can add shit to it.

>>4202490
>Seriously? Going powered is 90% of the time the better option for any switcher past S-Video. I bought this radioshack 4 way Component switch, it even has S-Video and composite. Totally recommended.

Are passive mechanical switchers bad? Do they worsen the video and sound quality?
I just bought a bunch of them because I didn't want the hassle of extra power cables. Should I return them?

>>4203104
They're not all bad, they just tend to be of worse quality.
I have SCART switchers (Bandridge) that are passive and work brilliantly.

>>4202415
Why were the dot triads in slotmask shadow masks made to be offset like that? They can't have been trying to minimize scanlines because only games used 240p and TVs weren't designed for gaming but rather so normies could absorb talmudvision propaganda.
.
Does the offset of slotmask reduce flicker and combing artifacts in 480i content?