Why did Tobal 2 fail?

>>4152415
What's that?

>>4152415
Because Tobal No 1 failed. Square was really full of themselves back then. I swear the only reason they even made that game was to make the title of the first make sense.

>best graphics
>good gameplay
>300 customizable characters
>Akira Toriyama design
>deep and amazing RPG mode
>Squaresoft street cred
>magazines drooling over the game

It had no reason to fail.

>>4152559
I think it paradoxically was unsuccessful because no Western release and no Western release because No 1 was unsuccessful in the West.

I really cannot understand why they made Ehrgeiz's dungeon mode so different. That game's dungeon is so much more carefully designed but you have so much less reason to explore it.

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>>4152559
Akira Toriyama didn't work in the sequel, he only worked in the original.

>>4152795
Okay, replace with:

>60 FPS animation

>>4152415

Because fighting games were getting out of vogue by the late 1990's. Aside from the staples like Street Fighter and Tekken, the majority of gamers had moved on and the lesser-known titles fell by the wayside.

Tobal is right there with Toshinden, Bloody Roar and Fighting Vipers. Even games like Kensei: Sacred Fist to a certain extent.

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>>4152939
>post yfw Bloody Roar sold only 390,000 copies

>>4152421

To be fair this was back when they where riding high on all that FF7 money. Success or not I really do respect them during that brief period for their output and really branching out and trying things

>>4153063

for 1997 that's not bad really

>>4153147
Huh? Tobal 2 was released six months before the international release of FF7, and only three months after the Japanese release.

Squaresoft was on fire since 1995, that's it.

>>4153151
>inb4 "Frogger sold ten times more"

>>4153202
>implying frogger wasn't the greatest game in the 5th gen
hop on outta here

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Chaco is my waifu

>>4153202
>Squaresoft was on fire since 1995, that's it.

Well FF6 and CT where both pretty big hits too

>>4153709
Good waifu. She has the best dance too:

https://youtu.be/FcUG_-FBUuo

>>4152415
Because chicken man.

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>>4152761
I think Ehrgeiz's dungeon mode would click with me 100% but the whole two character babysitting thing made me drop the game. Such a shame.

>>4152795
>>4152559
It seems that for the second game they just grabbed some reject designs from the first.
Tobal no2 feels cheap and barebones. The music is mostly boring and the NPCs clash with the Toriyama characters.

It's a good game, but I like the first Tobal better.

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>>4152939
>not mentioning Soul Edge/Blade

>>4152559
Just saw the game in action, it had every reason to fail.

>>4152415
unique gameplay
unique command input
unique 180` movement
unique charecter and graphic

make they get only unique customer.

>>4152415
it was a shit game

>>4152415
Because Square was full of shit?

It was an awesome game but Japan only (and really hard to master)

Fucking retards

>>4154071
>It's a good game, but I like the first Tobal better.
The first is like a pre alpha of a demo of Tobal 2
Literally garbage

>>4154204
Like what?

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The mix of polygonal hitboxes, input lag and long winded animations made the game play like slow, antagonizing SHIT. Fucking EHRGEIZ suffers from the same SHIT unresponsive controls.
I wanted to like tobal, i wanted to LOVE TOBAL 2, FUCKING JESUS IS MY WITNESS, SHIT...

>>4153063
what's the purpose of a tablet being all glowy and shit like that

>>4154420
>input lag
git gud faggot

>>4154435
Perhaps it's radioactive lol

>>4153741
game was ahead of it's time

Tobal 2 is still the best 3D fighter

>>4154420
maybe stop mashing buttons and commit to your goddamn movements and learn to do reversals

>>4154195

I'd say that managed to hang on well past the late 90's though.

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>>4154472

NO, i need to go FAST because AUTISTIC YADDA YADDA ETC ETC

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bloody roar owns tobal for free, especially in the game play department, not even close

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>>4154420
Tobal isn't an easy game. I tought it was shit until it clicked and I learned how to play it. Now I recognize it as the best 3D fighting game and the most realistic one, even if the characters are really weird.
Start with the first game.
Start with someone easy and fun to play like Fei. Fuck Oliems.
Learn the commands.
NEVER MASH BUTTONS!

>>4152415
Because it's from Squaresoft. They're too pretentious & obnoxious, that they think they can get away with selling this game with a shitty looking character on the cover.

>>4155291
I remember back in the day when it was around, I been meaning to get the game, but it never went under a single cent of $49.99 plus tax. To put in perspective, Samurai Showdown 2 computer version was being sold right next bin for $2. Square always had this outrageous notion that they get to sell their product expensively and it will still sell.

>>4155291
>shitty looking character
Another underage user? That looked hot as heck in the 90s, the obvious Toriyama design being very desirable (due to Dragon Ball Z, a popular anime back then).

>>4155898
Stop lying. $50 is not expensive for a game that's both new and imported.

>>4155927
What in any of that was a lie? I didn't lie.

>>4155937
>Square always had this outrageous notion that they get to sell their product expensively

...while you just quoted a normal price for an imported PSX game, or just any game really.

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>>4152415

>"to ball two"

>>4154435
because it's actually a magical yu-gi-oh card

>>4155898
Yeah, $49.99 was a lot back then. I guess Squaresoft thought that the games they made were high quality(I'm not saying it isn't), so they figured they would sell the game expensively.

>>4155927
Underage? I'm 35. The bandage on his face & his hair style just doesn't appeal to me, but I do see the Dragonball Z influence on the character.

>>4155984
No, $49.99 was not a lot.

>In 1990, a copy of Strider for the still-new Genesis could run you $67.95, which is a staggering $120.95 in today's dollars. In 1992, stores were charging $69.99 for high-demand games like Final Fantasy III and Street Fighter II, the equivalent of $116.18 today.

>As 1996 came around, prices started to fall back to historic norms somewhat, as retailers cleared out excess stock of increasingly outdated 16-bit games and got rid of cartridges for failed systems like the 32X and Jaguar. But by 1997, high-priced N64 games sent asking prices soaring again. The last few SNES games were also going for often ridiculous prices at this time; a copy of the SNES' Toy Story for $79.99 in 1997 was the single highest nominal price we saw in our research (though other titles were higher on an inflation adjusted basis).

>By 2000, cartridges were having their last gasp in the form of some tired N64 releases, but those ROM costs still prevented retailers from lowering the price too much. Wal-mart was charging $79.97 for a copy of the N64's Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness that year even as brand new PlayStation 2 games were retailing for $50.

>>4156010
And to be fair:

>The dawn of the CD didn't bring immediate savings for the console-based consumers, though. New games for the PlayStation and Saturn routinely retailed for $59.99 in 1996 dollars. Some titles, like Virtual Fighter 2, could go for as much as $69.99 ($103.59 in today's dollars). Lower production costs and competition quickly brought those prices down, though, and by 1997 it was hard to find a new 32-bit game for more than $49.99 (still more than $70 in today's dollars, though).

Conclusion: the price quoted for Tobal 2 was normal.

>>4156010
>>4156014
I see. I thought games back then were $29.99(Saturn & Playstation prices) or $39.99(N64 prices), that's what I remembered anyways.

>>4156023
I guess that was the standard price for used games (the desirable kind of used games), and you mixed it up with the price for new games.

>>4156010
I remember I wasn't allowed to get Perfect Dark for a friend's birthday because it was $99.99 CAD at Future Shop

>>4155217
I had no idea Playstation mesh topology could be so dense, one would think it's all low poly trash

>>4156080
This is a detailed model used only for winning poses, when only one character is rendered.
This kind of trick happened even in the very first Virtua Fighter, that started it. Even on the 32x.

Many games have more detailed models for close-ups.

>>4156124
No idea why I never thought of LOD in a fighting game

>>4156078
>buying new games for a friend's birthday

You're a top friend desu

>>4156151
Glad my parents didn't agree to it because the price is stupid as fuck, thanks Nintendo.

>>4156124
>only one character is rendered
Now I can't unsee it

>>4155927
Admit it ,Toriyama is kind of dull during that time . Design looks all the same as he did in Chrono Trigger and Dragon quest 6 . And as Jap during 90' , they saw Dragon ball everywhere think like oh boy it's the same Toriyama's face agian .

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>>4156363
Japanese people are known for having shit taste so go back to the rice fields.

Gonna dump some Tobal no1 art.

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>>4156456
I am missing the art for the final boss and all of the Japanese manual.

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>>4156458
I found it.

dat dragon ball art style

I think one of the main things I don,t get about Tobal 2 are the weird combos the CPU does that involve them sparkling while they bust out a cool 5 hits or whatever. How do you do those? I only figured out you can do fireballs by pressing in the analog which is incredibly strange for a commandbased fignter. Not everyone even had an analog controller, was this some way of being all 'hey you get this unbeatable move if you do'?

>>4156501
>the weird combos the CPU does
KEK
This is Tobal 2, not casual shit like Street Fighter 5, you need ABSOLUTE TIMING AND PRECISION with the imput

>>4156528
No explanation then? Alright good to know you don't know jack shit you're talking about.

>>4156529
>No explanation then?
you need ABSOLUTE TIMING AND PRECISION with the imput
it's not magic or something weird
Loot at gamefaqs for the combos

>>4156528
>>4156529
>>4156540
Yeah this guy seems to be talking edgy 'I play these games to be the absolute best and know how to counter any kick with a reversal throw to combo' bullshit. I -know- there's a fuckton to this game but you don't have to be a condescending douche about it. The combos I mentioned seem 'special', like there was a graphical effect when pulling off a Tekken 2 10-string or something, and they probably are timing.

Grappling has a ton to it, but it's so easy to break out of a grapple so it feels useless. There's a lot of weird things in this game that are probably useful in some situations but most of the time you're pounding your opponent and trying to edge them out of the ring while watching where you are and adjusting accordingly so they can't do the same, and I like that aspect. Only Virtua Fighter had as easy ring-outs.

>>4155217

I'm fighting game literate, sell me on Tobal. I know nothing about its mechanics. What does it do that vf/tekken/soul calibur don't?

>>4156658
Why bother, go play something with an active userbase.

>>4156540
SF2 Zangief also requires ABSOLUTE TIMING AND PRECISION to pull off basic moves but that's seen as an obsolete game design sensibility, not something good.

>>4156668
>SF2 Zangief also requires ABSOLUTE TIMING AND PRECISION to pull off basic moves
If you say this you never played Tobal 2

>>4156680
How the fuck is insane execution requirement a good thing? I'd rather play something where my moves come out whenever I want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SzcLwnLg0s
Quest mode seems more fun than the main game.

>>4156501
I never had an analog controller and I performed fireballs easily. It was something like back, square and hold back.

>>4156658
You can walk in any direction with the d-pad, you have one dedicated button to block and one to jump. It's much more "3D" than the other games.

Also you have a quest mode where you can capture hundreds of characters that are playable afterwards.

>>4156681
Tobal 2 is a game made for people who are just better than you are at videogames. If your reaction speed isn't fast enough that you can split a second in half twice, then just give up. Go home.

For me it's just enough to occupy my full attention.

As far as videogames go, that's amazing. I love it.

>>4156423
Thanks for these.

>>4156363
>And as Jap during 90' , they saw Dragon ball everywhere think like oh boy it's the same Toriyama's face agian .
Yet they praise other artists that are/were guilty of the same shit. They constantly praise
the Miyazaki faces, the Takahashi faces, the Amano faces etc. Most Japanese artists are equally as dull honestly.

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>>4156490
There's this one from Tobal no2

>>4155956
I'm pretty sure he's just talking about Tobal No. 1 aspie

>>4157197
>Tobal 2 is a game made for people who are just better than you are at videogames.
I must be the best player in the world, then, because nobody plays these games.

>>4157919
It doesn't matter which game he was talking about, retard, the point is that $50 for a game was not expensive in the late 90s.

>>4157164
>>4157197
Soul Calibur did the 8way walk thing. Apparently the only thing it has got going for it is "it's very hard to do a shitty 3 hit combo".

>>4157929
Oh man, you don't understand how hard it is. It's very hard. So hard in fact it makes grown man cry. Hardcoooore.

>>4157934
Ebin

>>4157927
Don't shift goal posts and call me retard just because you got your feelings hurt, water head. You were sperging out about imports and I just wanted to inform you that it seemed pretty clear he was talking about an American retail game. Like I give a fuck how much Playstation games were back then lol.

>>4157929
not retro

>>4157962
>dreamcast game
>on namco system 12 board
>released in July 1998
Think again.

>this game is so hard IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT FOR SCRUBS
Yeah that really makes me want to play that shitty game.

>>4157946
That's why I did specify "or just any game really" in my original post (because he was talking about all Square games), you gigantic shithead. Have you followed the discussion? What do you even do in this thread?

>>4157929
Tobal 2 came first, and has an amazing quest mode, and a ton of characters. Why don't you try the game ten minutes instead of shitposting? What do you even do in this thread?

>>4158008
It's hard to master like any other fighting game. No more, no less. What do you even do in this thread?

>>4158068
>What do you even do in this thread?
Make fun of you retards. To be fair I don't even plan on getting this game, kek.

>>4158162
>To be fair I don't even plan on getting this game, kek
But no one cares about your life. Stop trashing this board by giving your unwanted opinion on a game you've never played.

>>4158162
Your priest is fucking your sister

>>4158210
>>4158395
Stop giving him (you)s, you fools!

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>However, according to a feature in the February 2006 issue of Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine, Square representatives claimed that the game was never released because the PlayStation's limited memory prevented the English dialogue from fitting in the game's text boxes.
What the FUCK

>>4158407
Sounds like a lame excuse to avoid admitting they blew it.

Anyone else here thinks Ehrgeiz looks and feels inferior to Tobal 2, despite being more recent?

>>4158950
Ehrgeiz is easier to get into than your autism simulation game.

>>4158962
Get out.

>>4158407
Funny thing is there was already a shitty fantrans out, proving it was technically possible. So they not only got BTFOd by amateurs, they BTFOd themselves.

Idgaf about this shitty game but as far as localization of games go, this is pretty damn hilarious. Only reason it just ended there is cause its a little game no one cares about.

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>>4158982
Foreign magazines were all expecting the game, some of them even gave their cover to Tobal 2 for its Japanese release.

>>4159032
Oh I dont question that at all, I've seen quite a few games that got PAL releases but no NTSC-U localization. It happens, mostly to games no one cares about.

>>4159039
It had no PAL release, only Japanese.

>>4159049
Exactly.

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>>4159051
what's your point retard?
TONS of great games never reach the west for stupid reasons
so what?
Like Front Mission 5, the best in the series, only because the shitty FM4 was a failure in USA
AND SQUARE AGAIN

>>4159098
I guess Square didn't bother for Tobal 2 because they were keeping their money for the release of Final Fantasy VII.

>>4159214
Would you kindly stop feeding the troll already? Thank you.

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>>4158950
Nope

>>4158982
>technically possible
>even though I only ever played it on emulator

>>4157197
I can see why Tobal has no playerbase

>>4152795
GOOD MORNING CRONO

>>4160861
this is why it's not a great idea to make games that are inaccessible to people with average coordination/intelligence, but it's not like an untalented and average person would be able to design a good game in the first place.

practice makes perfect, but that's not true if you're constantly overwhelmed by the game

>>4154195
Every time someone mentions it, my butthole burns with rage at the fact that ePSXe can't emulate it without crashing

>>4162304
>my butthole burns with rage
This is not normal butthole behavior, you should see a doctor desu

>>4162304
>>4164092
I recommend a thorough anal examination, sir.