ITT: that one thing that never works

>>4130470
I never had any luck getting dos drivers to work with my audigy either. It worked fine after switching to an aureal vortex 2 though.

>>4130470
Now you know why people stick to period hardware. Or just emulate instead of having 5 pc boxes.

>>4130482
The vortex dos drivers dont require NMI like the creative's do so they work in any system with a PCI slot.

>>4130484
>>4130474
ty

>>4130484
Vortex cards aren't the easiest thing to to find unless you don't care about optical or having the last revision.

>>4130491
If its just for DOS he doesn't need a vortex 2 specifically, an older vortex 1 would be good enough which are cheaper/easier to find.

>>4130497
True but if it's just dos why not get a sb16? No isa slot?

>>4130501
I'd assume for windows

>>4130516
Back to my point of having dedicated machines.

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>>4130470
>>4130474
I haven't had problems with any of those, Live!, Audigy 1/2 or Vortex.
Must be a user error.

>>4130482
No, they stick to period correct hardware because those cards SB emulation is SHIT. They literally sound shit, they work fine though.
Not because they are whiny OP who can't find the proper drivers or use DOS.

What was the point of the thread, show everyone how dumb you are and hope other dumbasses join in and whine? Well, it worked.

>>4130559
>"i'm smarter than everyone ITT!"
>anime poster
pick one

>>4130470
Could be worse. Could be an AWE 32.

>>4130563
What do smarts have to do with it if someone doesn't know their shit?
Do you also feel sympathetic for someone wanting to be a bus driver but doesn't bother actually getting a licence?

>anime poster
>he doesn't know what picture that is

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>>4130572
AWE32 is a pre Win9x card, it has perfect DOS support.

>>4130579
I had an AWE 32. Calling it a piece of shit is unfair, since shit can at least fertilize a garden.

>>4130470
Haven't had any trouble with getting my SBL working in DOS...

At the very least work on getting Doom functioning, because I reckon every PCI sound card with DOS drivers would have been tested with that game.

>>4130590
>I had a quite good card
>calling it shit because I'm too dumb to utilize it properly
k

>>4130575
Its pretty well known PCI sound blasters will only work if your motherboard supports NMI, which obviously yours do.

>>4130470
>Fuck this piece of shit. The DOS "drivers" just refuse to function

Depending on your motherboard it could be literally impossible for them to work. They require NMI and DDMA features that disappeared from PCI chipsets long ago.

>>4130484
To be fair, SB Live can actually emulate General MIDI in DOS without the need for additional hardware, so it relies on more specific motherboard technology.

>>4130559
The vortex lets you use midi instead of the poor FM synth emulation under windows dos, so its not too big a deal if the game supports midi.

>>4130606
>They require NMI and DDMA features that disappeared from PCI chipsets long ago.
This.
Almost all motherboards up to 2004 will support it though, including Pentium 4 and Athlon boards. After that you run into way bigger problems with DOS support than just your sound card.

Also, >>4130474 Aureal cart's won't work either.

>>4130579
CQM sounds like shit

>>4130621
Yes, under _Windows DOS_, they literally use soundbanks just like PCI SB cards under DOS.
Check the videos about the recent cheap Vortex cards that flooded eBay a while ago, those explain it well.

>>4130626
Indeed, use a waveboard or separate card for OPL3.
Use AWE32's for good sounding SB16 compatibility and the EMU8000.

>>4130621
PCI cards for DOS are generally shit anyways, for Windows DOS you might aswell run a software synth.

>>4130606
Doesn't FREEDOS still work?
http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_compatibility

>>4130623
Aureal's TDMA implementation works up to ICH7 for Intel and and VT823x for VIA, IIRC.

>>4130676
FreeDOS still isn't going to make the sound card work if the hardware support doesn't exist.

>>4130676
>Fedorasubs
>does my software fix this hardware issue?
kek

>>4130470
what are you attempting to use it for?

>>4130695
>Aureal's TDMA implementation works up to ICH7 for Intel and and VT823x for VIA, IIRC.
Yes, it "works", but mostly partially even on those boards.

>>4130714
Those are the last chipsets it works fully on, not just partially. You'll probably run into graphics issues under DOS by that point though. Especially on VIA-based AM2 boards.

>>4130732
There's a thread on Vogons, it says ICH7 support is partial not full.

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>>4130713
for my hipster DOS Pentium 4 PC build for internet points

>>4130743
go away
>>4130713
dos games

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>>4130743
>P4
>DOS

>>4130753
>not getting the point
summer

>>4130748
>dos games
Why not a 486DX2 machine with a proper ISA sound card?

>>4130757
To make retarded shit?
>summer
K, kiddo.

>>4130761
because I don't want a machine exclusively running DOS, I also want Windows

>>4130762
you tried

>>4130761
not all of us build things with parts we dont have.
the point of my systems is to be a lazy bastard and use what parts i already own.

>>4130764
You can't have the best of all in one machine. PCI cards are awful for DOS.
For a Win9x/DOS machine, get motherboard with a ISA slot and dedicated card for DOS.

>>4130765
Sorry I wasn't impressed by your pos.

>>4130753
>>4130762
the point is that that's 99% of /vr/

>>4130770
my motherboard does have an ISA slot, I paid particular attention to getting a computer with one. Problem is getting Windows and DOS to play nice with each other

>>4130740
The only potential issue is NMI/SERR routing but that's an implementation issue by motherboard rather than the chipset itself, and it can be trivially re-enabled in ICH7 either by option in the BIOS, or by toggling it from userland if the BIOS setup doesn't expose that option to you.

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>>4130774
Make different profiles dedicated for Windows and DOS in config.sys and autoexec.bat files.

You can get a boot menu and pick one at startup, you can have the DOS part utilize only the ISA card and Windows only the PCI card or both even, but with the PCI card taking advantage of things like A3D or EAX, etc, for the Windows card reroute the sound out from the PCI card through the input of the ISA card and then to the speakers.

That's the easiest way, granted it will be DOS 7.1, but that will do the job for probably everything you will need, rest will be CPU dependant anyways.
No need for dual boot even, just a single Windows 9x installation. Does require manual configuration though for things like sound drivers.

>>4130774
Just because there's an ISA slot on there doesn't mean it supports the options a sound card requires. Plenty of modern industrial boards for instance have ISA slots for controlling equipment but the ports are slaved to PCI and have no access to IRQs or DMA. Things a Sound Blaster needs to work but a CNC controller does not.

>>4130793
Unless we really are talking about Pentium 4 territory here, most older boards have a real ISA controller in their southbridge instead of just a PCI bridge.
He can always check google or even just try, good enough cards start from a couple dozen bucks on eBay.

>>4130782
>>4130793
Well it appears to be working now that I reinstalled windows

>>4130563
>picture of a anon cumming on facerig
>anime
hot hot summer

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>>4130836
>google suggests him anime

>>4130836
>>4130563
It's from some stupid face tracker animation. Some anon posted his video of him jerking off with it. Why this anon thinks it makes him an oldfag I don't know.

Summer shit.

>>4130860
>Why this anon thinks it makes him an oldfag I don't know.
requesting source for this statement

>>4130864
Shouting summer.

>>4130867
you are?
why so emotional?

>>4130868
Chill out phone poster.

>>4130870
take you're meds, anon

>>4130470
I remember playing Rise of the Triad in complete silence for years. I don't miss those times.

>>4130875
You didn't even have a PC speaker?

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Thats the exact model I have.

Why doesnt the cd spdif digital sound ever give me cd audio? had to use analog cd in.

Also had to make my own cable using the loed header connectors on my old mobo. Bought a new case for it too.

>>4130782
>>4130748
Wait are you running xp and a seperate installation of dos?

Why not use win 98 since its built around dos. Is there a reason not to? I do that on my old build, only shadow warrior has messed colours but ill fix that one day.

>>4130986
>>>4130782 (You)
No, I'm not OP and my post was about Win9x and DOS.

>>4130770
>You can't have the best of all in one machine. PCI cards are awful for DOS.
If you can find one of those rare 1998/1999/2000 motherboards that support the rare PC/PCI connector, then yes, you can get away without ISA.

>>4130470
I had one of those. Don't remember any problems but mostly was playing shit in windows and for many more modern DOS games I ran through VDMSound if it had issues.

>>4130482
SB Live is actually period. It was released in August 1998. At the tail end of DOS gaming where windows was supplanting it. It's a card that was sort of in between for Windows and DOS.

>>4130579
>it has perfect DOS support.

AWE32 has shitty OPL2 emulation in the hardware, no matter the OS.

>>4131268
Would you really consider it rare, it was on rather popular boards by Asus, Gigabyte, Intel, and Abit.
Hell I had at least two boards with it.

>>4131357
Well, maybe not rare but uncommon. Pairing it up with the uncommon sound card that also supports the connector was a fairly rare combination though.

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Would I be asking for trouble if I wanted to install DOS on, say a pentium III? I collect old pentiums and want to dedicate one to a legit retro OS. I have a 486 but the case broke apart its unusable and now its not even seeing the hdd so I dont wanna touch that.

>>4131376
P3 is too new for DOS.
Pentium II is absolute maximum for dedicated DOS gaming.

>>4131390
Why? P3 is literally a P2 with SSE and higher clocks. No other differences.

>>4130470
i eventually got proper drivers, someone in this thread prob posted them

>>4131435
He's likely thinking of the speed running to fast for older games, but even with a P2 you'd likely be dealing with the same issue requiring software underclocks for some compatibility. Technically even 486's would with a handful of really early titles.

>>4131376
It's fine if you don't go way back.

>>4131390
Try a 486DX2 or DX4 66/80/100MHz with a turbo button. Pentium 2 is also too new.

>>4131435
>>4131440
>>4131446
Well, a 486DX2 without a turbo button and cache enabled is already _too fast_ for those kind of games that would have problems on a P3.

>>4131350
Who was talking about OPL here? It was obviously a discussion about drivers.
Also AWE has superb SB16 and EMU support. Something you won't find with other cards.