ITT: literally the most evil fuckers in retro videogames

>>4129007
Was Kefka really evil, or just mad?

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>>4129007
CATS

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>>4129007

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>>4129007
>>4129007

>>4129102
RUN RUN RUN COWARD I HUNGER

>>4129094
neither

>Life...Dreams...Hope...Where do they come from? And where do they go? None of that junk is enough to fulfill your hearts!

what is evil? good evil morals those are real social constructs live life you want to do what you want to you can't stop death so enjoy life to the fullest you fucking spooks

>>4129172
>Where do they come from? And where do they go?

Where do they come from, Cotton Eye Joe?

>>4129098
WHAT YOU SAY?!

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>>4129275

>>4129172

> tfw Kefka just wanted to feel fulfilled by something, but nothing was enough

> nigga was so woke

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>>4129275
Fuckin' Cotton Eye Joe, if it wasn't for him I probably would have been married a long time ago. Motherfucker.

>>4129172
>>4129007
>>4129094

Evil (as well as good) doesn't really exist. Whether something that happens is an act of good or ill is all dependent on the perspective of the being judging the act.

This is an unpleasant thought to absorb, but it's the way of the universe.

>>4129571

Way of humanity*. The universe doesn't give a fuck about what you think.

>>4129571
>Evil (as well as good) doesn't really exist.
lol sure thing kid
https://ripeace.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/the-murder-of-junko-furuta-44-days-of-hell/

>>4129573
>The universe doesn't give a fuck about what you think.

That's exactly what I mean. Good and evil are human perceptions of the universe.

>>4129571
The existence of the perspective makes evil real then. Otherwise nothing would exist since everything but the self needs a perspective with which it can be observed... but if you live by that entry-level nihilist dogma then you should be asking yourself 'why not to commit suicide?' instead of posting on a polynesian statue making board. Or you can do what normal people do and take a healthy dose of empirical hipocrisy, you know, to be a functional member of a society that recognizes things as evil or good.

>>4129835
>responding to fedora bait

>>4129554
Came here to post this.

>>4129826
Dracula finally decided to change his outfit, huh?

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This fucker.

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>>4129094
Didn't they just spell out that he went insane from being experimented on? Haven't played it on way too long.

You know someone is a fanboy or hasn't played many videogames in his life when he thinks Kefka is one of the most evil villains.

>>4129835
>The existence of the perspective makes evil real then.

From that viewpoint, yes. But what I mean is that good and evil aren't objective absolutes.

As for suicide, what reason would there be for me to do it?

>>4129970
I don't remember if anyone explicitly spells that out in the game, but that's canonically why he is the way he is. He's the prototype for Celes, the first Magitek Knight. The process went.... poorly, basically.

>>4129970
I don't remember it being it specifically mentioned as part of the story, I just remember learning about it from one NPC in an empire fortress.

>>4129835
>if there is no reason to live
>there's a reason to die
typical idiot

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>>4129554
>>4129948
ditto. what an evil bastard.

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Daddy screamed REEEEEEEEEEEAL good before he died!

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this sick mother fucker

>>4130003
>>4130083
Reading comprehension much?
I didn't tell him to suicide, since there would be no objective reason to do it in a objectiveness devoid system. I told him to ask himself why not, since living without an objective reason would be pointless from the perspective he presented. Since life is a pre-requisite for pretty much everything else, instead of tackling trivial issues an objectiveness denier should first tackle the root of them all.
Or he can try ignoring issues that are sensorially irrelevant and accept reality itself as being partly made of everyone's will to recognize it.
Learn to read, will you?

>>4129970
my headcanon is that before they perfected the magitek infusion process which injects serum refined from espers, they attempted to do it by implanting the organelles differing from humans from the brains of espers

so kefka has parts of esper brain in his head, that make him powerful, but constantly distort his thoughts, and make him hate humans, and he hates the part of him that's esper for making him like that, he basically hates everything

actually for some reason it seems like he doesn't really hate Terra

but he really hates everyone else

>>4129554
he's not evil he just loves killing

he's also a victim of the runes

>>4130624
That's quite a nice headcanon pal!

>>4130517
living is pointless but that fact doesn't necessitate an action to change that fact/state. it being pointless doesn't mean or suggest it should end. in fact changing the state of living requires an effort and unless there is a motivation to perform that effort (unhappiness) there is no reason undergo the effort. asking why not is a loaded question. the real question is, if you had to take an action to start living, would you do it? or is living equal to not living in value and thus is the transition not worth the effort of the action

>>4130517
I think your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
neither of them said you told him to kill himself. they both responded to your question.
you're asking people to give counter arguments/reasons against killing yourself but there were never any arguments for killing yourself.
your question was bad to begin with and that's why they reacted like that.

>>4129007
>>4129094
Power is everything. Good and Evil are primitive retarded DnD metrics.

>>4129958
I came here to post this. Fuck Yuna

>>4130517
>since living without an objective reason would be pointless from the perspective he presented.

I said good and evil don't really exist from an objective standpoint. That has nothing at all ti do with joy or sense of purpose in life.

>>4130675
>living is pointless but that fact doesn't necessitate an action to change that fact/state.
but inaction would cause death since hunger makes you either eat to keep living or die
> it being pointless doesn't mean or suggest it should end
never said it did, but it also means that there's not a reason for it not to end... that dillema is the one I'm accusing his point of view of running into
>>4130710
you're wrong... >>4130083 implied I connected lack of reason to live with having a reason to die. Reread the thread.
>>4130863
what is joy from an objective standpoint? What is sense of purpose from an objective standpoint?

>>4130951
>what is joy from an objective standpoint?

Joy (and sense of purpose) is also subjective, which is fine because it's personal. That's the point.

>>4131046
But if both joy and evil only exist subjectively then why isn't it hipocrisy to pursue joy and say there is no evil l, instead of judging kefka by your own subjective morals and give OP a straight answer?

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Grandmaster Meio from Strider II Strider Returns on Mega Drive.

>rapes your girl when you get a game over

>every game over is another rape in my mind

How's that for incentive to not loose?

>>4131667
>then why isn't it hipocrisy to pursue joy and say there is no evil

Why would be by hipocracy?

Kefka is pursuing his own joy. Everyone he is affecting sees him as evil, which is all well and fair. I am just pointing out that their perspective that he is evil is theirs. It's not a universal objective.

>>4132106
sure, but there is a grand perspective, widely accepted by most people, that the acts kefka did were evil. Pointing out the inexistence of objective evil when the worldly perspective is implied is useless. If, instead, the post gave us something like >>4130624 did, which gives a diferent perspective before shunning the worldly one, then it would be a good post.

>>4129007
>ff6
>>>/v/

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ALVIS

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>>4132719

>>4132328
>sure, but there is a grand perspective, widely accepted by most people, that the acts kefka did were evil.

Of course the people he is affecting would all see him as evil. But that is also only their perspective. If ants are ruining your garden and you pour a kettle of boiling water on their colony they will see you as evil as well. It's all about perspective.

>>4133764
So, since we're people and dealing with people perspective, and ffvi is a game made to entrance the player inside the human perspectives of the main cast, we can assume Kefka is, indeed, supposed to be evil. Now, to answer OP's question, do you think Kefka is the most evillest fucker in /vr/?
I personally think Bayer from Majyuuou is more eviller than Kefka, but Keffie tries really hard and deserves a nice spot.

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What a dick

>>4129098

NO

CHANCE

>>4129007

How about the devil from Devil World. I mean he is the devil

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>>4135416
>we can assume Kefka is, indeed, supposed to be evil.

Okay I'll concede he's supposed to be seen as evil.

>do you think Kefka is the most evillest fucker in /vr/?

Not even close. He fucks the world up, but it's just one and so he can have a lot of power. Most people don't even die. The Vortex use multiple whole planets as feeding troughs and they will keep sucking the life off them till there's nothing left. Makes Kefka look practically friendly by comparison.

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Death Toll, being the ruler of all evil is literally in his description. That aside, an entity which want the death of all life on the planet, is fairly evil in my book.

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>>4129007

>Habaruku.

>Creates an entire fake religion to enslave people and harvests their souls and prayers to resurrect his demon god.

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>>4129958
>>4130756
Thirded.

Kefka has nothing on him.

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SHODAN fro system Shock series.

>>4141706
*from

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I think Miang counts.

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>>4141706

>>4130715
You're the retard. Good and Evil in DnD are cosmic forces, not just measurements of morality or judgement.

>>4140870
But is that a necessity for the vortex to live? Bretty cool monster by the way, never played ecco before.

>>4140870
You know the vortex aliens are an allegory for humans?

>>4141258
Isn't that what whatshisname did in Breath of Fire II?

>>4142316
Yes. What's his name. Habaruku

http://bof.wikia.com/wiki/Habaruku

>>4141232
Deathtoll is the embodiment of evil and death, but the Queen was really the most evil fucker in all vidya I've ever seen. She made the entire world be destroyed and all living beings die just so she could have money, and she was unapologetic about it. She also tried to fuck with a GODDAMN ANGEL who was trying to fix her fuckery. She's a piece of work and while other characters mentioned here wanted power or were just mad, she wanted money. Money she couldn't even use in a dead world. That makes her extra evil in my book.

>>4129970
>Didn't they just spell out that he went insane from being experimented on? Haven't played it on way too long.

An NPC in the empire's city tells you he went nuts from being experimented on.

tl;dr Kefka was the first Magitek subject, he went nuts, but it gave him a lot of power so they kept him around.

>>4129973

The guy does successfully betray a dude who already was pretty evil, and then sets himself up as a God and spends most of his time setting everything on fire. Thats pretty evil. Not "most evil" or anything, but causing a fucking apolocalypse is pretty up there far as a lot of game villains are concerned.

>>4142292
>But is that a necessity for the vortex to live?
It's necessary for them to exist in the numbers they do.

>>4142307
Yes exactly.