Is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time underrated?

>>4111162
he has a point. Brave Fencer Mahsushi is better than Zelda 64

>>4111162
If he thought Hyrule Field was too big, I can only imagine how much this guy would hate Breath of the Wild.

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Zelda 64 was kind of fun when I was a kid, but I booted it up recently with a new game and quit before Kakariko Village. Way too much exposition in that game. If you have that much dialogue, at least use it to develop characters with interesting motives. You could argue that it's a game for kids, but Pixar develops for children too and create works that everyone can appreciate.

Ocarina has too much exposition without any real payoff for it. Characters end up repeating themselves and cutscenes are unskippable.

>>4111162
ALTTP is and has always been better

>>4111226
just throw that shit in the trash where it belongs

>>4111237
nah its pretty boring

Links Awakening is bettter

>>4111237
Yup. I don't like how Zelda has tried to become more cinematic over time. Keep it simple, responsive, and focus on the puzzles and action.

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god dammit, i love the 90s. imagine the whole internet being like that.

he's a butthurt PSX owner. I love those threads. Highly recommend 3DO vs Jaguar flame wars.

>>4111242
strangely enough I think that ALTTP has a more cinematic method of story telling than OOT. Reminds me a lot of LOTR

>>4111162
>one of the most highly rated games of all time
>underrated

Stop using that word.
It doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>4111275
Did u even read the picture?
Its classic internet

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>>4111162
I love reading old internet forums.

>>4111162
He really does have quite the point there, Ocarina of Time's Soundtrack is pretty bland and Square RPGs kicks it's ass in that regard.

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>>4111281

>>4111281
>phony playshitstation

There's no better humour than someone butt mad trying to come up with a clever insult

>>4111285
>>4111281
20 years later pretendo (s)kids still be whining.

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>>4111162
No, but it's not overrated either.

>>4111289
piss-stain is more like it

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>>4111281
>=86=86=86=86=86METALLICA=86=86=86=86=86
How did the Internet ever survive that level of badass?

>>4111281
Damn were people really calling each-other trolls that far back?

>>4111162
Zelda 64 is overrated, but it's still a good game. There are some genuinely awful games that get treated like classics, like Altered Beast.

>>4111183
i love mushashi
https://youtu.be/bPgsT9qCjrs

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>>4111326
>Zelda 64 is overrated
Wrong.

>There are some genuinely awful games that get treated like classics, like Altered Beast.
This is actually correct, though.

>>4111183
They have different strengths. Musashi has better gameplay and more content/features, but Zelda has the better world and story.

>>4111319

You can find CompuServe discussions like this that date back to the mid 80s, the internet has literally never been civil.

>>4111351
>the internet has literally never been civil.
I know that, it's just the terminology I'm surprised by. I thought the "troll" term originated in the 2000's.

>>4111281
>phony playshitstation
yeesh, could've just said phony gaystation

>>4111358
It used to be called flaming or being a flamer. like a flaming fag/cig

not that i would know. didnt have internet until 1999/2000

>PS1 final fantasy fanboy angry at OOT back in 1999

This is golden.

>>4111243

>a person having both Korn and the Butthole Surfers in the same list

pretty unfathomable on a place like /mu/

>>4111285
Shut the hell up, bunghole!

>>4111162
So many people say it's overrated now that it reverted back to being underrated.

>>4111162
OoT is a flawed game, but what do you expect. Lot of pioneer work going into that one. The later games ironed out some of the kinks that OoT had.

>>4111162

Not underrated but it's certainly unfairly besieged by contrarian faggots as well as youtuber parrots.

>>4111358

The meaning of the term was actually a little different, it was more of a suggestion that the person had too much time of their hands, 'trolling' around the boards meant they were watching and replying to everything. Calling it 'flaming' was closer to how it's used now, as the other anon said.

>>4111162
I agree, I thought the empty field being a big circular hub you have to cross a dozen times was bad design.

>>4111285
>shitposting with your actual email showing

Gotta hand it to them, they were fearless back then.

>>4111425
I thought trolling came from the fishing term, like when you just cruise the waters back and forth with your bait out hoping something bites. Seems pretty applicable to the internet where people toss out bait and wait for a reaction.

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>tfw no japanese gf to play famicom games with in 1990

>>4111285
I wanted to see Sean McBride's reaction to the sales numbers and the Game Cube era.

>>4111289
They could've at the very least gone with Phony Gaystation.

>>4111485
They were probably 10 years old. They're not known for their creativity.

>>4111162
Underrated and overrated are idiotic concepts only used by children or adults still stuck with the minds of children.

>>4111226
>If you have that much dialogue, at least use it to develop characters with interesting motives.
If you have that much dialogue at least make it scroll faster holy shit, I don't know how I survived this as a youngster.
They say kids are supposed to be impatient but I used to have a fucking lot of patience to eat up endless dialogues with every pedestrian that crossed my path in rpgs and pages after pages of lore that I just can't be arsed to go through anymore.

>>4111535
I'm the same. Back in the PS1 days of RPGs I would talk to every NPC multiple times just to see what else they had to say. Now I just avoid everyone because who has the time, jesus christ. I guess when you're a kid that only gets a new game every 6 months you really try to make it last.

>>4111285
> /v/ in the 90s on dial up

moar! This shit is hilarious!

>>4111285
>if X is so great why don't you spend more time playing it than posting here

Literally the exact same post you see written these days.

>>4111565
>>4111658
It's missing a bunch of quotes misused, dank memes, political injection, and reaction images.

>>4111559
I can relate.

>>4111559
This isn't true. NPCs today just don't have much to offer or say. You just follow the arrow or go to the next glowy thing.

>>4111535
That's the reason why I could never get into Trails in the Sky despite really wanting to, I'm just not the target audience anymore.

>>4111667
But really are the npcs in Zelda much better? I don't think so.

>>4111667
OoT also points out the next point of interest in the map by making the little dots flash.

>>4111491
I don't consider Phony Gaystation creative it's just at least better than Playshitstation. Hell if they don't know the word gay they could've gone with Poopy Lamestation.

>>4111667
BotW holds your hand much less than OoT, you nostalgiafags are delusional.

>>4111671
Which Zelda? Something like OoT the NPCs are necessary to progress.
>>4111672
All the map shows is where you came from and a place to find the next NPCs or sometimes thing to do. The objective isn't to get to the dot but the objective is at the dot.

Look at any modern game that has some pseudo open world thing going. The objective is simply follow the arrow or get to the glowy thing.

>>4111675
>BotW holds your hand much less than OoT
I refuse to play BotW. I'm not playing trash that locks you out by giving you intentional inferior equipment and then the equipment you do work for just breaks. Among other things.

>>4111681
You missing out on the GOTY of the decade ;^)

>>4111683
I doubt it you meme loving child.

>>4111678
I don't know man, they made the exact same Zelda clones for decades, this argument that games were so much better back then while mentioning fucking Zelda of all things doesn't hold up.

>>4111681
>I'm not playing trash that locks you out by giving you intentional inferior equipment
Not sure what you mean, monsters and weapons scale with time.

>>4111681
Weapon durability is a really trivial reason to not want to play a game.

>>4111686
At least I'll outlive you, oldfag.

>>4111693
>Mechanic that only exists to make the game more tedious
>Trivial

>>4111687
Have you not played TP? That game is 4 hours of cutscenes followed by go to the next shiny shit. Zelda went to shit with that game. And that isn't me exaggerating. The first little zone takes what 4 hours on average? I think 4 hours is the time to get out of because of the cutscenes. It may be closer to 2 or 3 I haven't played the game in awhile. Either way it's a long time. Like it would be one thing if these were like Lord of the Rings quality movie clips or something but it's almost all just boring and useless.
So no kid. I don't think you've played Zeldas pre TP or any.
>>4111693
I agree unless that becomes the main point of the game is to carry 20 weapons because they break.

>>4111701
Agree BoW is shit, not stop discussing off-topic non-retro shit.

>>4111701
I haven't played BotW so I can't comment on how it implements it but I've played games where it's done well and others where it's just another number I gotta keep track of once in awhile. It just seems silly to dismiss a game outright because it has durability.

>>4111708
>Not that the beginning to OOT is much better, you have to watch a 10 minute cutscene to wake up then another 10 minute cutscene of how the world was created upon beating the deku tree.
Which is needed since it's the first 3d Zelda and the world NEEDS to be explained. OoT has a great starting zone that prepares the player well for the first dungeon which continues to expand the game. You can even just go into the lost woods until you figure out it's a bad idea. It's perfect game design, doesn't hand hold, and gives you freedom. For the time it was huge.
>>4111715
So no. Good shitpost though kid.

>>4111717
>doesn't hand hold,
Yes it does dude, they force you to collect sword and shield and they force you to beat the deku tree to escape the forest. Navi literally spells out the puzzles for you inside the great deku tree.

>>4111720
That doesn't mean you played them. Evident by your ignorant opinion on the subject.

Only the NESfags have an argument because they are the only gen where Zelda was in fact different. There wasn't anything like it ever since.
All the other Zeldas have been LttP remakes just replacing the light world dark world switching with some other random gimmick, be it turning into a wolf and world of twilight, sailing or traveling thru time.

>>4111724
They don't force anything. You're free to explore around. Like I said you go straight into the Lost Woods. If you're saying the zoomins when you enter certain rooms in a dungeon is hand holding I'd disagree.

>>4111737
>They don't force anything.
Yes they do.
>Like I said you go straight into the Lost Woods.
And there's jack shit to do there.

>>4111737
You can't even do the Lost Woods heart piece and seed bag sidequests without the slingshot and ocarina. What's even the point of even going there?

>>4111739
So? You can still go there. Your argument is done with just that one fact.

>>4111745
>So? You can still go there.
But why? What's the point? This is merely an illusion of freedom. And yes I do know of the Zora River speedrun skip by clipping into the stone arch at the little pond.

>>4111734
Have you played BotW? It is basically if 3D Zeldas were based on LoZ instead of ALttP.

>>4111749
The zora river skip
https://youtu.be/0DubQ5H-8HE

>>4111491
>They were probably 10 years old.

They were probably much older than that.

>>4111743
>>4111749

There is no point in going there. But you can go there. Why do you need a reason to go somewhere? The mark of a great adventure game is you don't need a reason. Like OoT. All OoT gives you is a map with some points of interest and what the NPCs tell you.

You guys talk like your only experience with this game is lets plays and speedruns. You never experienced the failures and being lost. Running across Hyrule field the first time and then the games starts turning dark was amazing. Actually and factually amazing. No other games had done something like that. And I'm not talking about day/night cycles. When you first start the game you're not aware of the day/night cycle and how exactly they work. You heard about it from magazines and that's it. But then suddenly when running across the field the music changes and the night comes. You don't know what to do. Then monsters come and you feel lost and helpless. OoT is filled with tons of moments like that.

OoT is a perfect game that gets shit on by kids and people looking at the game 20 years later. There's never been another game like OoT. You have no comparison. The closest things are some western rpgs.

>>4111752
LOLZ is much better than Breast of the Wind because the dungeons are actually well designed and challenging.

>>4111779
Well dude I don't remember my first time going there because I was literally 10 but my memories of watching shitty speedruns are still recent and fresh in my mind. Mind you, I didn't even know english when I first played OOT.

>>4111782
I agree that the dungeons in LoZ are better than in BotW, but exploration itself is better in BotW. Especially since exploration in BotW is not limited to geographical exploration, you also have mechanical exploration by experimenting what you can do by utilizing different mechanics, and that makes puzzles and combat much more interesting.
I agree that BotW is not hard enough to make that always meaningful, especially eating in the pause screen should be removed, but otherwise I think BotW does a good job carrying the spirit of LoZ into a 3D world.

>>4111779
to be frank, the opinions of some millennial kid who only experience the game through let's plays tend to be much more fair than the ones of a delusional nostalgiafag retard who thinks zelda is open ended and free

>>4111816
It was a naturally growing conversation involving retro, calm your tits, but I will shut up about BotW now.

Honestly, speedrun was the best think to happen to Zelda, it finally breath some challenge into a boring, easy game

>>4111162
>Zelda 64
For God's sake, OoT is the one game without that dumb naming scheme.

>>4111807
You can't look at the game in context. That doesn't make the game bad.

>>4111847
The combat is easy, puzzles are obvious and feel more like a chore. Zelda is a franchise for girls.

>>4111865
If you pick apart a game like that and break it down to its core mechanics, you can make everything sound bad. You are completely neglecting the actual game design here.

But what did I expect from the Comic Book Guy?

>>4111865
>The combat is easy
Seriously, essentially every enemy is a reskin of the same Stalfos fight, just circle strafe and attack when it's not defending. Boss fights are glorfied puzzles, once you figure out its weak spot it's auto pilot from there. It's impossible to die since most enemies deal half a heart of damage plus you can have up to 20 hearts plus you can double your defense plus you can hold up to 4 revival fairyes plus you can spam a magic that makes you invincible for one minute. How the fuck do you even lose in this shit game?

>>4111865
Ya I bet you cruised through OoT for the first time and never died once or got lost when it was actually new.

>>4111870
Over analyzing is only a problem when the core mechanics are broken in the first place.

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>>4111872
Because everyone had max hearts on their first play through in 98.

>>4111875
Then again I WAS 10, my brain was made of jello which is the intended audience for these games. I certainly felt more challenged by the older 2D Zeldas I'll tell you that much.

>>4111881
Doesn't matter when everything even the last boss does half a heart of damage. I'm being unfair though, the Iron Knuckle fight is legitimately good and not just a Stalfos reskin.

>>4111876
What overanalyzing are you talking about? Who here is overanalyzing?

>>4111872
>you can have up to 20 hearts plus you can double your defense plus you can hold up to 4 revival fairyes plus you can spam a magic that makes you invincible for one minute.
All of that is end-game stuff that you have to earn by finding it. How is that a bad thing?

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>>4111883
>>4111887
So the game is bad because you played with a guide and unlocked every heart and also knew every boss fight before going in.

>>4111893
I actually did use a magazine guide my first time, kek the walkthrough was monthly and they would cover 4 dungeons each month, then the optional side stuff in the final issue.

>>4111889
I kinda despise Zelda now.

>>4111478
>It will probably come out in the US next year
Oh the pain we've suffered.

>>4111701
Unless you're very bad at the game you will find more weapons much more often and much faster than you will break the ones you already have.
Git gud.

why is this thread so full of idiots

>>4111491
>>4111760
this, people seem to forget that back in the day adults tended to keep their language more tasteful than adults now
it's a generational gap, people now don't give a fuck about bad language like they used to

>>4111281
>pretendo 69
>phony playshitstation
kek

>>4112027
The bigger generational gap are memes being used in verbal speech and in text. Also the amount of gay innuendos in modern speech is hilarious. I can barely keep a straight face when I try to play online with modern consoles. The last thing I really notice is the use of ebonics. But I thinks this may be more cellphone speak. However, ending a sentence with "tho" is common and that isn't cellphone speak.

>>4112110
What are you doing playing modern games online you fucking traitor.

>>4112118
Just to see how cancer they are. The last one I played was Splatoon and that was actually fun. No mics or chat in that one. I don't own any modern consoles so I only play on other's machines. The XBox and Playstation side are lost causes.

>>4112110
"memes being used in verbal speech and in text" is essentially equivalent to using buzzwords, which has always been a common phenomenon with children.
The ebonics probably has to do with modern popular culture essentially being equivalent to street culture (which I surmise has something to do with higher mobile phone ownership in low-income communities)

>>4112124
>"memes being used in verbal speech and in text" is essentially equivalent to using buzzwords, which has always been a common phenomenon with children.
I disagree. Slang is the word I think you're looking for and memes and slang are two different things.

>>4112126
>slang is the word you're looking for
>memes and slang are two different things
well which one is it anon? Memes and buzzwords aren't quite the same either but in a modern context I think they're used in pretty much the same way.

>>4112131
Slang words are part of a culture's verbiage.

A meme can be anything. It's not limited to words. Memes also aren't limited to one culture. For memes in speech they tend to be meaningless garbage. They're almost always a phrase or word that is repurposed to mean something else. For example the so popular "cuck" usage these days. Or "kek" is another popular one. These words have no real meaning anymore.

Buzzwords have had a too many redefines but generally just a word to create a reaction or group something.

>>4112147
they're all in the same grey area really
cuck is definitely a meme but also definitely a buzzword
kek was originally a meme but became slang

>>4112152
Kek was originally from a joke from warcraft. It used to be a inside joke for another way to say "lol". Now you got some fictional country called kekistan... Or the use of "topkek". Meaningless these meme these days.
>cuck is definitely a meme but also definitely a buzzword
I don't think you understand what buzzword means or I don't understand. I've seen a few people throw buzzword around before like you're doing and it makes no sense. I base the meaning off what it means in news and debates.

>>4112165
are you sure? we had a fairly clear progression from lol to lul to lel to kek to jej

>>4112178
Yes positive.
>lul
Is cancer from post 07 4chan. See the Fox news story.
>lel
Is reddit meme shit from when they ddid the "le" shit
>kek
Already stated. An inside joke.
>jej
Is beaner meme shit. I think. Not 100% on that one.

>>4112165
I've been trying to figure out how to word my response and how to explain my usage of the word buzzword, but the reality is that the definition is a huge clusterfuck and there's no single way to interpret any of this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzzword
just look at this page, the opening paragraphs talk about a bunch of ways buzzwords are used differently

>>4112209
Ya that's too much for me to care. Like I said before the word "buzzword" changes too much in popular culture. I stick to what it generally means in news and debates.

I go to /v/ from time to time and I see it thrown around over there a lot. So I associate odd usage of it to younger people.

>>4112225
This is nothing new, haha
Unless you really are THAT old

>>4111824
Doesn't matter it's not fraken retro you turd!

>>4112229
The meme stuff is very new. Retards using words they don't understand isn't if that's what you mean?

>>4112236
I mean using buzzwords in this context.
Essentially, in this context, buzzwords are words/phrases that once had a meaning but ended up being repeated ad infinitum in ways that removed their meaning, if you'd take a moment out of your busy day to actually read the wikipedia page you'd see that this is stated in the first sentence.
Of course the meme stuff is new, but the way memes are used now aren't any different from these kinds of buzzwords. Originally, of course, memes are inside jokes, but these inside jokes have become exposed to the popular culture, which lacks the existing context of the original joke.
I'll use an old meme for you, old-timer. "So I herd you liek mudkipz" is a phrase that most people ended up using *just* because it's a meme, with hardly any of them actually understanding why it's a meme in the first place.
Things like "cuck" and "kek" are the same.

>>4112251
Second sentence, rather

>>4112251
>Essentially, in this context, buzzwords are words/phrases that once had a meaning but ended up being repeated ad infinitum in ways that removed their meaning, if you'd take a moment out of your busy day to actually read the wikipedia page you'd see that this is stated in the first sentence.
That makes a lot of sense then. I think it's a poor choice of word to describe that but I understand the usage now at least.
>"So I herd you liek mudkipz" is a phrase that most people ended up using *just* because it's a meme, with hardly any of them actually understanding why it's a meme in the first place.
I don't think inside jokes are memes. They're just inside jokes. All communities have them. It's when you take that inside joke outside of the community that it suddenly is a meme now.

>>4112258
Well, mudkipz was definitely an inside joke, and it's also definitely a meme. And I'd say the same for "kek"

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>>4111667
NPCs were always filler garbage.

>>4111535
>>4111559
>>4111667
>>4112340
talking to NPCs is about immersing yourself and learning more about the game world, it enhances the experience and makes it seem like a real place. Remember, these are role-playing games you're talking about. You're supposed to be playing the role.

>>4112110
>ending a sentence with "tho" is common

I've been doing that my whole life, it's not a meme.

>>4112356
An old woman telling you she is old is not immersive or enhancing anything. It's a waste of time and bad writing.

>>4112362
I didn't say it was.

>>4112364
the rest of that game probably sucks too, and by the looks of that screenshot that isn't even a complete message. There's no end bracket.

>>4112356
Functionally, they exist to give you hints on how to progress. If they're not doing that, or commenting on the story events, then they're filler. "Immersion" is a grasp at straws.

>>4112385
i bet you think color is useless to, just because you can play the whole game with only greyscale

>>4112392
Looking at a colored picture vs a black and white image doesn't waste time. Talking to an NPC that says fuck all is pointless and teaches you that NPCs are not worth talking too.

Try harder.

>>4112402
>waste time
Here's your problem, you go into video games believing that they aren't a waste of time.

>>4112413
Experiencing art isn't a waste of time.

>>4112418
So you're saying that if a game developer (the artist) puts NPCs in his game, those aren't part of the experience?

>>4112423
Different anon. I just meant games aren't always a waste of time. Nothing's wasted if you enjoyed the time spent with it.

>>4112426
I agree, but I wanted to point out the discrepancy in his argument

>>4112178
not really a joke. Alliance and horde couldn't communicate with each other in common chat so when horde members typed LOL it appeared as KEK to alliance.

>>4112364
It's realistic though

>>4112340
I don't see what's so wrong with having a large number of NPCs just saying whatever. You try to make everyone say something important and you end up with walking wikipedia articles all over the place like Morrowind.

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>thread devolving into pleb shitposting, then linguistic discussion and shitposting again
As a linguist I don't even know what to say.

>>4114648
That's a cute cat however you're probably a big ol doodooface.

>>4111285
>Oh, you're an AOLer. Nevermind. :)
Good to see people fighting the good fight against Eternal September.

>>4112364
>It's a waste of time and bad writing.
It's almost as if real people you see walking by you can be wastes of time and poor communicators.

This thread was most likely made by a millennial. I guess since Botw came out, the kids have gotten more brave with shitting on a game like OoT.

>>4115165
If you were born in the late 80s you are a millenial aswell, you know? Stop with that shitty american gen naming.

Anyway, people have been shitting more on OoT ever since that shitty Egoraptor video.

>>4115634
It's not an American exclusive thing, it's universal among old farts who need a reason to feel above people they don't understand.

In regards to the low-effort OP, it's easy to call something overrated or underrated without giving it much else thought. The flaws of what was once lauded unconditionally are more easily highlighted as time goes on and the climate surrounding it calms down. OOT, as iconic as it is, doesn't really fit either category, in my opinion

The only good zelda is II and that's because it isn't zelda

>>4111162
guy types like a nigger, thus he has no valid opinions.

>>4115875
Those are some hot opinions.

OoT was amazing for its time, but MM was just plain better. ALTTP was amazing compared to its predecessors (and I'd say it was probably one of the most innovative Zelda games, considering it brought us the spin attack, the master sword, the mirror shield, the hookshot, and some other Zelda staples), but arguably it's been outclassed.

>>4115165
More like it was made by a poop sniffer.

>>4115634
>If you were born in the late 80s
Most of the definitions I've seen about millennials goes back to the early 80s. Hell I've seen one that goes back to the 70s. No one can make up their damn mind on what exactly is a millennial.

>>4111162
Top down games are so boring
Sidescrollers ftw

>>4116514
It's basically how a 16 year old would use "Are you 12?" as an insult, while an 18 year old would use "Are you 16?" as an insult, etc. Or a 10 year old would ask if you are six. Point is, people specify things they don't like differently, just enough so they can feel superior to what they dislike.

>>4111226
Are you seriously trying to show this off

>>4111162
Ocarina of Time is an amazing game, and no amount of old-school neckbeardness can deny it. Just suck it up.

>>4111204
He didnt.

>>4111281
>>4111281
This could just be /v/

>>4111779
What about those who thought it sucked when we played it at release?

>>4117784
It's more childhood nostalgia by people remembering what the game was like when they were probably between 4 and 12, little other gaming experience and limited scope of life so it seemed amazing.

It's all just perspective.

>>4117893
Game journalists weren't nearly as bad as today, were all adults, and had played plenty of games. They still thought it was a utter masterpiece and one of the best games ever. So no, your narrative falls apart.

>>4111162
>Won best game and was beloved by most internet personalities until egofaptor broke the glass cieling very recently.


Fuck no it's not, it's awful.

>>4117784
You have bad taste.
>>4117893 see >>4117905

>>4111779
>There is no point in going there. But you can go there.

This is literally the cancer that resulted in BOTW. Dumb fucks like you that don't want anything more out of a game than to walk around and look at shit. Wow, exciting.

>>4117905
>Game journalists weren't nearly as bad as today, were all adults, and had played plenty of games.

There is absolutely no reason to think that game journos had better taste in the past than today. In fact, the amount of extremely young reviewers was something that gaming was pretty notorious for back in the day.

>>4111162
It was popular among Nintendo fanboiz back in the age of dinosaurs because the n64 has a total of 5 truly great games. So each of those titles was clung to like the life rafts they were.

Then hipster trash "loved" OoT because it's the best game on the console their Facebook gaming group tells them is "like, totally the bestest evar, and junk. Like literally..."

As a result of this, Normie's who don't know any better clung to that opinion too, for "le epic retro gamer creb bruh", so they could sound like they aren't Normie's while they kill each other in CoD mp.

Now some eceleb trash are being contrarians, so I's OK to hate OoT.
Soon, that will be the hipster thing, which will in turn trickle down to Normies and etc...

Personally, I always felt OoT was dull, but hey, that's me. Honestly, I'll be just as annoyed with the hipster hate on OoT as I was with the hipster love.

And before some autist's egotism gets the best of him and he responds to me as though generalizing like I do is demonic and against him personally: I want to very specifically state that I am generalizing to make a point. None of this is against a specific person, or I nsi hates that all the internet shares one opinion. If you don't understand, or feel offended,then just fuck off.I won't mind, I promise.

>>4118863
It's also the cancer that resulted in Zelda 1.

>>4118863
I want to look around and fight monsters. There's a ton of games that handhold little babies like you out. Uncharted and Horizon zero dawn to name 2.

>>4118897
"Looking around" with nothing else to support it is as hand holding as a game gets. How the fuck do you lose at looking around? How are there any stakes? There aren't, genius! It's a repeated series of having an impulse to look at one thing, then getting an impulse to look at another thing, an endless cycle of satisfying your curiosity but little/no actual gameplay incentives for doing so. There isn't anything as simplistic as a game that is afraid to establish rules.

It's like pulling out a chess board and moving your piece to where-the-fuck-ever on the board instead of playing by the rules. I don't want to play the game! Rules just prevent me from moving this piece from square to square whenever I feel like! It doesn't matter if there's nothing to be gained or any depth, as long as I have the FREEDOM to do something so boring!

Play games that do more than simply provide validation of your curiosity. Your nonstop wonderment that, yes, you CAN do the thing you thought you could, is but a foundation towards a nuanced game with complex decision making, but not really anything more.

And yo, Horizon is guilty of all of that bullshit as well because just like Zelda it is a game primarily about going wherever whenever. Think beyond company wars, friend.

>>4118893
Zelda 1 was a good game because it had good monsters, good combat, and good dungeons. Without those things there isn't anything to do in hyrule unless you're a retard that wants to wander around and look at repetetive tree sprites.

People always seem to forget that the open world in Zelda 1 was purposefully obtuse filler that served to stretch out the playtime in between the numbered dungeons. It's not at all designed like modern open world games, and every time someone says it is it shows that more people claim to enjoy Zelda 1 than actually can recall how it was constructed.

>>4118939
>How the fuck do you lose at looking around? How are there any stakes? There aren't, genius!
Because the world has no danger?

On the basic conflicts is man vs nature you child.

>>4118890
how old are you

>>4111162
In 2017 it's actually underrated now. The contrarian hipster meme to call it bad became so huge that it's actually contrarian to think it's good now.

Also I guess younger kiddies that played the Zeldas released after it first, that all basically recycled OoT's formula. when they go back to OoT after them it doesn't seem like a big deal.

>>4118984
>On the basic conflicts is man vs nature you child.
In a video game, that's a meaningless gesture if nature is simply bad AI, small variety of enemy threat, and no natural variation like the real world. Dungeons and the places between dungeons - ie death mountain, gerudo fortress - served this role. A man vs nature is not what botw was. MGS3 was a better version of that and it wasnt even about that aspect of conflict.

>>4119849
How young are you when your examples are mgs3 and botw?

And you attempt at a point is terrible.

>>4119858
I brought up Botw because the conversation is referencing it for its "I like going where I want and looking at things." My post is specifically to say that the man vs nature statement is stupid as fuck.

>>4119875
>I brought up Botw because the conversation is referencing it for its "I like going where I want and looking at things."
BotW doesn't have that. Again your point is terrible.

>>4119879
>BotW doesn't have that
Found the actual kid. That was easy.

>>4119880
Are you retarded? The game is a durability wall and nothing else. The point of the game is getting weapons and amour. Not exploring like OoT.

Getting called a kid over botw... The summer is real.

>>4119883
>The game is a durability wall
Hahahahahaha, I'm not the guy you're replying to but this is just wrong
BotW is no masterpiece but I played 40 hours of it and never ran out of weapons and armor. They could have handled durability and some other things better but it's hilarious when people like you blow it out of proportion.

>>4120298
>BotW is no masterpiece but I played 40 hours of it and never ran out of weapons and armor.

>>4120805
What are you implying?

>>4119883
You are autistic. You are attempting to troll or you are literally a cuck edgelord. I hate Zelda and I, like even a child could, can see that BOTW has more exploring than an on rails forced direction (railroading) game like OoT

>>4111319
the term itself originates on usenet in the 80s.

>>4121195
>literally a cuck edgelord
Summer is real.
>>4121184
Not implying anything. You proved my point.

>>4121415
how did I prove your point by stating a counterargument? Do you understand how debate works?

>>4121429
You proved my point by saying you farmed so many items you never ran out. You got played by the game you thought you were playing.

>>4121432
Oh, you're just projecting. You aren't willing to actually defend your argument and describe your own experience with the game, so I guess we're done here. It's not retro, anyway.

>>4121440
I made my argument. You proved it. No projection here not sure you know what that word means either.

>>4111243
>808 state
My nigga

>>4120805
>play game for 15 hours, talk shit

You barely played it!

>play game for 40 hours, talk shit

Why did you keep playing it so long?

>>4111285
>Shut the hell up, bunghole!
My fucking sides.