We do agree that Tooie is better than Kazooie right?

I know it's not popular opinion, but I certainly think so. But I'm looking through a thick pair of nostalgia goggles on this one since I haven't been able to replay it in over 10 years.

I do remember being more invested in BT than BK, but it was that special time in my life where I was satisfied dicking around in 3D platform games f or hours without actually accomplishing anything.

I eventually got everything in the game though, I had to cheat with a turbo controller to get that last canary mary race.

BK was fun too but the worlds were all a lot smaller, didn't feel like there was much to explore there.

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Depends, does Tooie have sexy Grunty?

>>4101661
>sexy grunty will never peg me

Why live

>>4101615

hell no

kazooie >> mario 64 >>> tooie >>>> DK64

>>4101702
Get your taste fixed anon

Tooie>>>>>>SM64>>>>>DK64>>>>>>>>Kazooie

>>4101702
>>4101708
You are both wrong.

Mystical Ninja 64 > Super Mario 64 > Kazooie > Conker > Tooie > DK64

Absolutely not. Tooie's unnecessarily huge world design, combined with its incessant backtracking, makes for the inferior gaming experience.

Wait what?

I thought the unpopular opinion was Kazooie > Tooie, well then I guess I'm wrong

>>4101615
>boring worlds that are too large with little to do
>notes are now permenately kept, less challenge
>too many pointless minigames that just waste time, fps sections are boring as fuck
>bosses are pathetically easy, only good ones are mr. patches and the hag 1
No, kazooie is so much better.

>>4101615
I generally did like Tooie a lot, but Kazooie had far better pacing, due to mostly keeping each world self-contained, and outside of maybe one instance, never requiring an ability thats not learned until a later world.

>>4102775
>notes are now permenately kept, less challenge
I was okay with that but I didn't like that you can only collect them in 5s or 20s at once.

>>4102731
The popular opinion is always Kazooie>Tooie

It's also part of the reason why people hate Yooka Laylee so much. YL is a crappy version of BT, which was already a mess of a sequel

>>4103529
Yooka Laylee really shouldn't have done the world expansions. 25 pagies per world just leads to a lot of tedious filler.

>>4101738
Mystical Ninja is a fun game, but the platforming is mediocre at best.

Broadly speaking, I'd say Mario 64 comes first, primarily due to replay value, even though its presentation (graphics, characterisation, story) is approaching non-existent.

Then Rayman 2. Less replay value, vastly superior presentation, platforming's not far behind, either.

Mystical Ninja has... well. Shit platforming, but pretty good presentation, okay replay value. Call it third place.

(Goemon's Great Adventure has replay value and platforming through the roof combined with pretty great presentation, and I'd rank it #1 in a heartbeat, but as a 2D platformer, comparing it to 3D platformers is silly. Now, as a game? #1, easily).

Kazooie fourth. Okay-ish presentation, fun to play through once, replay value of approximately fuckall.

And DK 64 is just a mess.

Haven't played Tooie or Conker.

>>4103529
That's because people are retarded for not expecting it to be a Tooie/DK64 relatable game, which luckily YL is nowhere near as tedious as.

Kazooie > YL > Tooie > DK64

>>4105079
>Shit platforming
That's going a bit too far, it's not as deep as Mario 64 or Banjo in terms of moves, but it's still pretty fun, controls are functional, and platforming segments are really well done. Anyway MNsG has a lot of adventure elements similar to Zelda as well, so it's not a pure 3D platformer.

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>>4105126
>Mario 64
>Rare collectathons
>no adventure elements

>>4105306
There wasn't many NPCs to talk to in those games, or have dungeons with maps and equipment to upgrade your gear.
Mystical Ninja 64 isn't a pure adventure game either, it does have platforming elements too, but it's more like a hybrid, Mario 64 and Banjo are pure 3D platformers.

>>4101615
Yes

>>4107358
Adventure games at their core, are about exploration and puzzle solving. What you've listed are RPG and Dungeon Crawler elements.

>>4101661
Chumba wumba was pretty hot.
>>4101615
This is an understatement. Tooie fixed everything with kazooie, which people were saying it was a perfect game. Personally, kazooie felt to streamlined, like Mario 64. I feel once I get every stage down, it's basically a speed run on later tries. In tooie, everything is connected and it's more of a process to get jiggies in it. Some thing you can't reach in the first level can't be reached till you get something in the 5-6th level. It's a kind of backtracking that makes it felt like my time wasn't wasted. It has more character than kazooie which also hasn't aged as well.