What went wrong?

Oh hai Johnny I didn't know it was you

The only thing bigger than his coding expertise was his ego.

>>4042616
BOB?

>>4042616
Nobody wanted to be his bitch

>>4042616
he started playing too much multiplayer DOOM @ work

that was literally it

he went from being obsessed with creating games, to simply obsessed just playing them

online gaming ruined him

but with it, all the creativity was thrown out the window at Id

>>4042616
im actually friends with him. i won't divulge details, but most of us know them anyway, but basically he was hot headed, let his ego get the best of him, landed hard on his face, took a while pulling himself together and now he's just satisfied to entertain people with whatever idea interests him at the moment.

whoever he was in the 90s, i dont think he's that guy anymore. I haven't met many other people who've been so happy, humble and just glad to have been part of something classic.

john mightve been a hot mess for a while, but hes pretty cool now.

>>4042626

The only thing bigger than his coding expertise was his newly appointed PR agency.

>>4042649
>my dad works at nintendo

>>4042616
I can't wait to see what he comes up with for his new FPS.

People doubt him because of Daikatana but here's the difference: for Daikatana he wanted to create something elaborate and new, and obviously it fell flat on its face.

This time around he just wants to make a classic style shooter. He posted those new Doom maps he made and said that his new game would be of a similar design philosophy.

Romero KNOWS how to make a classic style shooter, and he's got Adrian Carmack doing the art style. This could be the best FPS we've had in a very long time, since 97's Shadow Warrior/Blood. Can't wait to see it. Only problem is he's relying on kickstarter (which in fairness is a pretty big negative seeing as KS projects are usually shite). We'll see if he pulls it off; really hope he does. They tried starting the KS funding but it didn't meet its target, so he said that he'll show a demo first that will hopefully get more money.

>>4042698
I wonder how Daikatana would have turned out if he would have just stuck with the Quake 1 engine instead.

And you'd think 3D realms would learn that jumping from engine to engine is not a good thing.

>>4042616
he sucked it down himself

>>4042680
Do you think people would do that? Just go on the Internet and lie?

Daikatana, after that he pretty much went on to do nothing special or memorable, working on some 2D spess game no one cares about and that one cartoon network game for the GBA, which is quite a damn shame. I'm kinda hoping his new FPS ends up being pretty cool, but then again, it will probably end up being Daikatana 2.0 for all we know.

>>4042649
once i met romero in the street he pushed me down, squated down my mouth and made me his bitch

i was too afraid to report it to the police so it never left las vegas

>>4042649
people tend to become pretty humbled after creating something wildly successful only to fall flat on their face and become an industry joke later on

>>4042649
I saw John Romero at a grocery store in Los Angeles a couple years back. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

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>Daikatana

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>>4042616

>>4042884
JUST

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>>4042884

>>4042903
Thank God Romero didn't decide to be a little girl.

>>4042616
Good ideas guy but just that. Most of his ideas were scrapped for Quake 1 anyways and Daikatana is unplayable without the patch that removes AI parters and after you remove it you're stuck with a mediocre shooter with a few neat ideas.

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>>4042903

>>4042865
I was gonna post this.

>>4042976
it wasn't funny when that anon posted it

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>>4042715

I remember reading this article about Daikatana and the production of it, he'd drop millions on a movie theater for his staff, retarded and outrageous parties, etc. Romero struck me as one of those 90s early tech/geek stars who won the lottery but wasn't responsible enough to manage his winnings.

>>4042616
>What went wrong?

It's easier if we list what went RIGHT with John Romero:

Deu Sex

Somebody thought it was a good idea to put a 20-something who had only developed shareware games with a group of friends at near zero risk in charge of a company that literally had to see multi-million dollar profits just to break even.

Forget the quality of any games that followed. 90% of the blame falls on the publishers who trusted this kid to get results based on his previous success with a then dead distribution model.

>>4043128
DELET

>>4042865
Beat me to it

>>4042616
He greenlit Deus Ex when Origin/EA didn't see promise in it.

>>4043101
And yet John Carmack, who was quite younger if I recall; went on to be well respected in not only the gaming industry, but also programming in general and rocket science

>>4042698
>This could be the best FPS we've had in a very long time,
Hi John, how is Ireland treating you?

I'm part way through Masters of Doom, and it seems to me that the guy was an egotistical asshole. He was nice to you if you were doing something he liked but if you were not you were kicked out. But since he was a good programmer and a good design guys everyone got drawn into his enthusiasm which fed his ego until e thought he was a god and could do no wrong.

>>4043802
I don't how people keeping reading Masters of Doom, a very humanizing and nuanced depiction of a team with lots of variables accounting for their success and failures, and coming away with these retarded good guy/bad guy black/white characterizations.

Retards always want to boil everything down to a soundbite for their tiny peabrains, I guess.

suk it down bitch

>>4043861
>Retards always want to boil everything down to a soundbite for their tiny peabrains, I guess.

dis

>>4043936
>Shut up John

this meme is so cringy

>>4043802
>He was nice to you if you were doing something he liked but if you were not you were kicked out.

Could you give some examples? Because that sentence right there sounds fairly reasonable to me, without having read the book.

>>4043939

well /v/ is leaking once again

and the autistic kids are shitposting all over /vr/, /vg/ and /tg/, so... ignore it

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>>4043101
>only developed shareware games
You say that as if shareware wasn't the defacto fucking way to sell games back then. You'd be more idiotic to hire someone who didn't even make not even a shareware title but many and perhaps the most successful one in the history of gaming from both a financial and gaming standpoint that did much to progress gaming as whole.

>>4042616
Buggy as fuck game, bad enemy and AI design. The multiplayer was tight though.

It could have been a solid game with some decent code and reworking.

>>4042616
Too much freedom. An artist needs limits.

>>4042629
Didn't know Doopler made his money working in the videogame industry

>>4043319
He went to recruit Warren Spector for Ion Storm.

>>4043128
What did he mean by this?

>>4044052
that you can make a blanket statement based on the bad luck of buying a faulty item. Usually you just make use of your warranty or just replace it, not so with this OC autist author

also Daikatana sux lol

>>4042616
Adult Swim Cancelled his show, Metalocalypse, so now poor Nathan is out of work?

>>4044005
what the fuck is up with that stuttering?

>>4042649
am John can confirm

>>4043128
>this one still works
>*removes cover*
Well, that took care of it.

>>4042865
Who's the celeberity in the original version of this copypasta? First time I ever saw it it was about Bruce Campbell and I assumed it was true (honestly believable.)

>>4044490
>am John
How's that holodeck game (that you wanted people to fund when all you had were scribbles on paper) coming Johnny boy?

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>>4042616
I think... Nothing, just he hesitated and handled shit wrong way and worked with wrong people after leaving iD.

>>4042649
Cool story, yet I believe it.

>>4042698
Same. I hope he keeps it simple and reflex based.

romerito pls

>>4044450
Recording software sucked balls.It was some time ago, probably shitting itself over the fact that it was recording 1024x768@100fps

>>4042698
>since 97's Shadow Warrior/Blood.
So, not very.

>>4045368
20 years is a heck of a long time, grandpa.

>>4044917
Johnny Depp I believe.

>>4042698
Also his new Doom maps were fucking awesome and were meant as a test to see if he's still got it. He's definitely still got it.

>>4044092
>he doesn't know about ibm deathstar

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>>4042625
butt

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>>4042637

>>4046246
Why is a guy who love to piss off the media and liberals in the 90s so SJW?

Same thing for Jon St. Jon, voiced Duke Nukem yet for some reason is anti-gun and anti-conservative

>>4046246
God is everyone who uses twitter a huge crybaby faggot? Social media is cancer and even Carmack sold out to Cuckerberg.

>>4046248
>made 3 maps for Doom 1

Nope. He also made utilities for working on the game. John Romero was very much a key person for Doom 1.

>>4046256
Liberals changed, they used to be all edgy and shit, and now they're all PC, that and Romero pretty much growing up and becoming a modern Califag programmer kinda contributed to it.

>>4046256
he's gen x. who knows what they think
never meet your heroes though. nothing like making something cool and then shoving your politics down everyone's throat.

"I came here to chew ass and kick gum, and I'm all out of ass"; Dick Kick'em

>>4046326
>growing up
welp

>>4042616
R O C K
S T A R
L I F E
S T Y L E

>>4046248
He layed down the key principles on making a good map though.

Provide landmarks
If you can see part of a level you should be able to get there
Provide unique details to the environment so that 2 rooms do not look same even if they use same textures
If same shit can be done in inferior engine (Wolf for Doom, Doom for Quake, etc.) Redo your shit completely.

Those principles may seem like common sense now, but look back at most 90's shooters and you will see that any shooter that did not adhere to them was inferior in level design department and got quickly forgotten.

>>4042626
Wasn't he a level designer, not a coder?

>>4046641
No. He had multiple hats. He was programmer and level designer and on other games he's worked on audio, producer, design, consultant.
For Doom in the credits he's credited with design, level design, tools programming, and programming.
He knows how to code because that's how he got his job at softdisk.

He's also very likely to be the one playing in some of the the Doom Demos since he was a good player and a few are played by someone who was much more advanced player than everyone else with mouse movement (which was rarer at the time)

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>>4042616
tucked in T-shirts, couldn't make a game in an era when things were getting more complex with story and objectives like in Goldeneye for the 64. Doom was nothing but running and gunning to music to find keys and secrets. He got left in the past as did his weird eighties thrash metal look.

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Well, apparently he wanted to make us his bitch, but we were a bunch of teen boys reading video game magazines. Also, on top of being his bitch, he wanted us to "suck it down". Then after insulting us in such an egotistical, pedophile way, he released an average at best shooter for the '64 called "Daikatana".

>>4046872
He released shooter for PC.
'64 version is a different game entirely made by different people (Kemco)

>>4042616
His own game made him its bitch

>>4046872
He also didn't want any of that. Marketing did all that without his knowledge.

>>4046326
>modern Califag programmer
This is exactly right. The Silicon Valley programmer culture is an ungodly mix of the oversensitive and self-indulgent ("did you seriously just assume xer pronouns?!?!") and the maniacal and self-destructive ("at our company we are proud to work 100 hour weeks!"). I seriously hope the next tech company hub is going to be a saner place.

>>4047007
>without his knowledge.

>>4046246
Sad!

Romero was an idiot but Carmack isn't much better. There's a reason that Gabe Newell's has $4.1 billion while Carmack only has $40 million.

Id as a whole completely wasted their potential. They pioneered and popularized so many things, if they had played their cards right they could have been a leading giant on the gaming industry, alongside the likes of Valve and Blizzard. But now they're Bethesda's bitch.

i take it most of you dont care for the new Doom? I played it. doesnt feel like a doom game at all except for the obvious throwbacks.

>>4047228
Gabe Newell made that much money because he forced a digital distribution service down people's throats. id could have gone down the engine developer path like Epic but Carmack said he wasn't interested in providing support and just wanted to work on games and new tech.

>>4047243
Also Gabe was rich before founding Valve.

>>4046631
Did Rise of the Triad obey by them?

>>4047241
It's a Serious Sam game.

>>4047007
>>4047102
>reluctantly approved by Romero

I stand corrected.

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He made a game with his wife's son.

>>4047417
Sheeeit

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>>4047247
>>4047243

At least Randy Pitchford won the name Gearbox from Gabe.

>>4047417
why are his nails painted

>>4047479
There black so I'll go with "Metal and shiet"

>>4047228
>Carmack only has $40 million.
>only has $40 million.
>has $40 million.
>$40 million.
I'm so sad he is so poor.
>>4047247
That sweet lottery money!

>>4042616
Ego vs. Capability.

Romero needed people to keep his retarded ideas in check.

>>4047479
Cause he's a Faygo.

>>4047553
I guess that's why he had so many divorces

>>4047007
dude who cares about the marketing, people would have loved it if the game was actually good.

>>4047579
>dude who cares about the marketing

>>4046836
Yet Doom was still a huge success.

Romero was a lazy fuck

>>4046901
No, that's the game boy version. The 64 is just a mediocre port

>>4046256
It's almost as if people could distinguish fantasy power trips on your computer screen from the real world, how weird is that?

>>4048053
no the n64 version was also developed by kemco he is right, they bought the rights and published their own versions. Its similar to the PC version but not a straight port.

>>4042616
That swamp level, man. Fuck that.

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>>4048252
Did some some say this is

>/VR/

>>4042649
This is fairly believable tbf.

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>>4042616
>Achievement Unlocked:
>The Bigger they are...

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>>4047417
FUGGGGGGGG

>>4046530
American McGee and Sandy Petersen seem like pretty cool dudes, though.

McGee had a hard life.

>>4046256
>>4046326
The same reason hippies became yuppies: because after you become the man after fighting the man, you get an inflated ego and become an annoying fuck who everyone hates because you have to grandstand about how self-righteous you are. It's the reason why I ignore most celebrities that try to say anything about politics in the slightest: they're ot of touch and out of their mind.

>>4048469
yeah man its amazing how well adjusted he is for having such fucked up parents. Deadbeat dad and a dumbass hippy bitch for a mom poor guy.

>>4048469
McGee indeed had a hard life.

>>4048506
It's the idiots fault who inflate these celebrities egos too, I dont get why anyone cares to follow that gossip its so pointless

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>>4048519
>McGee indeed had a hard life.

>McGee had a number of stepfathers when growing up until his mother finally settled into a relationship with a transgender woman.

JUST

>>4048531
why did you stop there it gets even better

>when American was sixteen, he came home from school only to find the house empty and abandoned. The only things left were his bed, his books, his clothes and his Commodore 64 computer. His mother had sold the house to pay for two plane tickets and the fee for her girlfriend's sex change operation, leaving him on his own

>>4047228
The whole point is that Carmack and Romero were a perfect storm that got together in the right place at the right time. Romero had the edgy, artifact of the times radical 90's personality and game design, but Carmack had the genius to pull tricks out of his ass to make PC games able to render crazy shit.

Take the two out of the 90's and away from each other, and Romero is just an overambitious egotist, and Carmack is a programmer freak with no clear design goals beyond rendering.

>>4048586
Someone make a damn movie out of American McGee's life.

>>4048595
Why make a movie when you could make it a game using iD Tech 3?

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>>4042903

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>psx

>>4048592
>Carmack is a programmer freak with no clear design goals beyond rendering
what a load of shit
quake 3 is definitely better designed than quake 1 or doom ever was

>>4048713
>Ignoring that Quake II wasn't as good as it would been with Romero.

>>4048743
when you mention quake 2 and romero, daikatana immediately comes to mind
quake 3 would have been a poorly designed mess instead of the ultra tight shooter it is now
it's also carmack's favorite game he worked on and last where he was involved in design

>>4048747
Is Adrian Carmack's favourite game, not the Carmack that is a programmer.

>>4048665
To be fair this is literally a developmental copy which fully justifies "PSX"

>>4048758
wrong
https://arstechnica.com/business/2013/06/15-years-of-ars-the-ones-who-redefined-gaming-music-and-tech-policy/
tired of this meme that carmack hates video games and just cares about tech

>>4048665
added to arsenal of arguments

>>4048763
There it says that his favourite is 3, not 2. So I was right.

>>4048813
amazing reading comprehension

Absolutely nothing, Daikatana is a masterpiece and whoever disagrees is just parroting the common dumb opinion.

>>4044005
More webms please

>>4048821
you have to delusional to believe this
the multiplayer is pretty neat but the singleplayer is only playable with fan patches that remove one of the biggest selling points of the game

>>4048758
What are the odds of two Carmacks working in the same studio that are unrelated?

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>id software in 1993
>would YOU have invested?.jpg

>>4048713
>quake 3 is definitely better designed than quake 1 or doom ever was
From a a technical perspective or a gameplay perspective? Because from gameplay perspective, no it's not. Both Q1 and Doom are better game choices for having single player which is a gigantic boon in Q3 which bot only play. Doom's multiplayer is balanced like ass though. Quake 1 has the best balance of all of them for single and multiplayer, as well as better movement. Q3's best thing is better built in level design though. Most built in maps for Q1DM are shit, there's only really two actual good ones the others are mediocre to very bad. Though you can always download better maps.

Technical wise, well yeah.

>>4048927
>Quake 1 has the best balance of all of them for single and multiplayer
this is how i know you don't play quakeworld
please don't tell me how 300dps lightning gun and 80% damage reduction red armor is balanced when quakeworld is the most spawn rapey arena shooter there is

>>4048945
80% damage reduction that goes straight to 200 armor I should add.

>>4048945
Oh, it's you again isn't it. That fucking retard who keeps posting that Quakeworld is unbalanced because he's shit at it and then complains that people who've played it for years never played it.

I remember you and you weren't interested in discussion before either, so go fucking troll reddit where you belong.

>>4048954
lol wtf are you on about?
what's your ingame name?

>>4048956
xXxMLGw33dSn1p4xXx
1v1 and we'll see whose wrong bro!

>>4048958
104.237.158.248:28502

>>4048962
still no reply or anyone connecting to the server
guess you're all talk

>>4046256
He's Mexican, it's personal for him.

>>4049086
Isn't Romero an Italian name?

>>4046256
If Jon St. Jon ever quits voicing Duke Nukem because of politics they should just get LGR.

>>4049183
Nope, Spanish. John Romero is a beaner, sorry you had to find out this way.

Also, Harrison Ford is a Jew.

>>4049196
>>4049183
I thought it was pretty obvious Romero has Indian blood. I mean, it is probably part of the reason he keeps his hair long.

>>4046248
>Sandy gave the game character
Fuck off.

All his maps that weren't 90% done by Tom Hall are complete shit. Sandy Peterson ruined Doom II. American's maps are fun as fuck and make you think you're in for a great game and then comes the avalanche of Sandy Peterson suckage.

Fuck you and fuck Sandy Peterson.

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>>4046246

>tfw i voted for trump but didn't unfollow him on twitter

>>4046256

Romero was always a bit liberal. I remember on him ragging on Bush on his forums back in the mid 00s. Trump's anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric probably pushed him over the edge.

And here's a fun fact: Romero and his wife are in favor of gun control, despite the man being behind several bloody games where firearms were the way you killed enemies.

>>4048592

This is true. Romero at his prime was very much a product of the early to mid 90s XTREME movement. Take him out of that time period and and he loses a lot of his luster and edge.

Current Romero is a middle-aged guy trying (and failing) to be the edgy 20-something he was back in the early 90s that loved all the over-the-top stuff that was made back then, even though the 2010s are about "deep stories", "sending a message", "emotive characters and plots", and "cinematic experiences", not "running around in heavy metal-inspired gorefests really fast, blowing up monsters that look like they came from a high schooler's notebook with ridiculous weapons". This makes him seem like an anachronism.

>>4046248
Romero did most of Knee-Deep in the Dead which is the best part of Doom 1.

>>4049290
Also Sandy did all of inferno and inferno was shit.

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>>4049268
I want to fuck Mari Illustrious so hard

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Anyone know which level he's working on?

>>4048469

American got fired from ID after Carmack told him nobody liked him. He uploads videos now of himself sailing around southeast Asia. Dude turned his life around completely and is living the dream.

https://www.youtube.com/user/obnard/videos

>>4049350
>American got fired from ID after Carmack told him nobody liked him
Why?

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>>4049350
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would tell him no one likes him before firing him from the company.

>>4049465

It's in Masters of Doom. Carmack called American into a room and told him they were letting him go. When American asked why, Carmack straight up told him it was because nobody liked him.

>>4042616

I... I like Daikatana

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>>4049571

>>4049347
Looks like E1M7 but I could be wrong

He was a dork who made an extremely popular game and thought that made him a rockstar, but he was still just a dork with a lot of money.

>>4048878
can someone ID these people? aside from romero and carmack

>>4049571

I remember downloading the multiplayer demo and being hyped.

Then I got the game years later bargain bin pricing. What a fucking joke. Still played it through with cheats though.

>>4048586
>He also mentions that his inspiration for the macabre tone of Alice comes from his disturbing, dysfunctional childhood. For instance, on McGee's 13th birthday, his father, whom he had just met for the first time, was "stinking drunk" and assaulted the young McGee by attempting to gouge his eyes out with the intent of either killing or molesting him. McGee escaped this event by suggesting they "take both of their cars" to a bar and get drunk. Luckily, the father agreed. Shortly afterwards his father was involved in a car accident. "They got no more than 100 feet away when American's dad crashed into a telephone pole."

>>4049718
How did he get away with driving at the age of 13?

>>4043101
>million dollar profits to break even

>>4049659
cmon son.

left to right top to bottom:

john romero
sandy petersen
dave taylor
american mcgee
mike abrash
adrian carmack
kevin cloud
shawn green
john carmack
jay wilbur

>>4049816
>>4048878
Why is Mike Abrash cosplaying as Peter Gabriel?

>>4049558
That's a pretty dick reason to fire some one, especially when he got fucked over most of his life

>>4042616
>What went wrong?

Mainly the hair, the pants, the shirt, the belt, the lack of activity?

>>4042616

>>4049836
>That's a pretty dick reason to fire some one

imagine you are a boss. every single person including yourself does not like an employee. the employee is replaceable.

what do you do

i can tell you from talking to him for like 2 years on IRC that american mcgee has serious serious issues and seems like the type of person who could bring a gun to work or something. I would not want to work with him either.

>>4046248
outright wrong and lies but ok whatever

>>4049989
>the type of person who could bring a gun to work or something
Crazies usually bring a gun to work when they get fired

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>>4042903

>>4049816
you mixed up abrash and taylor you IDIOT

>>4049989
>guy has serious issues
>potentially dangerous
>tell him he's fired because nobody likes him

carmack sounds like a social retard

>>4046836

doom released in '93 and goldeneye released in '97.

>>4050015
carmack definitely has the autism, have you ever heard him talk?

carmack has like definitive autism
>broke into school to steal computer at 13 so he could program on it
>simply saw programming as what he needed to do and stealing as the necessary means to the end, didn't think of obvious consequences etc, was not part of the equation

>>4044005
>You say that as if shareware wasn't the defacto fucking way to sell games back then.

I don't think you read or at the very least you didn't comprehend the rest of that post. Shareware is a minimal risk model, was the crux of the fucking affair. Romero had never been under pressure to secure a given number of sales to avert a net loss.

>>4047228

carmack also spent millions on his own aerospace company, armadillo aerospace. he'd probably be in the billions if he didnt do that.

>>4050015
>>4050023
oh, i do want to leave one funny id software irc story, since i am probably the only person here who used to irc with id software (SENPAI!!)

one time john romero made me cry laughing because he said he kept waffles (a mod on #doom) in a bottle beside his bed and only opened it to jizz on his head every now and then

these were the people who made the great vidya of yesteryear, now we have InclusiDevs

>>4047228
>There's a reason that Gabe Newell's has $4.1 billion while Carmack only has $40 million.

probably the fact that gabe's microsoft stock options were worth more than $40 million when he left, and then he started the worlds second biggest digital distribution platform

being a top engineer and being a visionary are two different things, carmack's vision is restricted by his engineering. gabe is a designer.

I sometimes wonder about the alternate universe where Carmack got his way and after Quake 2 he got to make a full snowcrash-esque generalized "metaverse" product like he wanted to do next, but the rest of the company shot him down.

>>4050028
That sounds pretty lewd

>>4049659
>can someone ID these people
>ID these people
>ID
Nice.

>>4048830
It's very playable, beat it several times. I mean, no, it's no Doom or Quake 1, but it's still fucking fun.

>>4049086

Why would a Mexican dislike President Trump? It doesn't make any sense. Don't all humans, and therefore all humans with any connection whatsoever to Mexico, perpetually browse forums for socially stunted young English-speaking guys all day and somehow (despite never leaving their computers) develop an extreme aversion to "SJWs" and Muslims? It just makes NO SENSE! John Romero must be misguided and a cuck, that must be the explanation.

>>4047479
Getting manicures and pedicures are in now for everybody.

>>4050654
only if you disable AI companions

>>4042616
What music does Romero listen to?

>>4048592
We owe to carmack the most popular online Fps protocol.

>>4042662
If I recall he didn't even know about the "Bitch" ad until after it came out.

But he was a bit of a rock 'n' roll game dev, and his deathmatch addiction caused a lot of tension at ID.

>>4050753
>>4051136
Now, let's not turn this into yet another /pol/-tumblr cockfest.

When did Paul Steed start with ID and why was he fired?

>>4051286
Around '97. He was credited for working on Quake 2.

As for the firing, Adrian Carmack and Kevin Cloud did that because Steed was encouraging the development of Doom 3 rather than a potential new title. Steed was ambitious to work on a Doom sequel, while the two originators were growing bored of plans for another FPS title. John Carmack used Steed's leverage to convince others to work on an FPS title. As Carmack was untouchable, Steed was the next target.

>>4051319
I kinda wonder what it had been like if we had an idtech 3 Doom 3.

>>4050018
But the concepts of complex storylines and objectives existed in 1993. Id just didn't (doesn't) know how to make good games out of their tech demos.

>>4042698
>He posted those new Doom maps he made and said that his new game would be of a similar design philosophy.
Wish he'd make some new Doom 2 maps now too. Actually wish he'd make an entire new Doom 2 expansion.

>>4046065
>Also his new Doom maps were fucking awesome
yeah they were very good... especially that one that had the platforming requirement on the poison green. Really clever shit.

>>4051397
>Wish he'd make some new Doom 2 maps now too. Actually wish he'd make an entire new Doom 2 expansion.
Same. I personally love his Doom 2 maps more than his Doom 1 maps.

>>4051319
steed was also an alcoholic sociopathic asshole and they had grown to despise him so canning him over an internal political struggle wasn't a hard move for them to make.

>>4048469
Harvey Smith who worked on Deus Ex, too. His dad beat him and committed suicide in front of him when Harvey was 5 and his mom ODed when he was 6 or something like that. Made some pretty good RPGs tho.

>>4052719
What's with id and having troubled devs?

>>4051459
doom 2 shits all the fuck over doom 1 so yeah, despite what the memeing plebs of /vr/ would have you believe.

circle of death is probably the best map in the first two games.

>>4052957
>not spirit world
D2 has a pretty large amount of meme maps (dead simple, tricks & traps, monster condo to some extend) and a bit too much bfg happy setups.

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>>4049659
>can someone ID these people?

>>4052979
>dead simple, tricks & traps, monster condo
dead simple and monster condo are fucking great, especially dead simple
tricks and traps is okay, definitely not bad at least

only meh/bad maps in doom 2 are factory, chasm, courtyard, citadel, suburbs. either really lazy or just plain obnoxious to play through or both.

actually you can have the objective ranking right here m8

God Tier
>11 Circle of Death
>14 Inmost Dens

Great Tier
>1 Entryway
>2 Underhalls
>3 Gantlet
>4 Focus
>5 Waste Tunnels
>7 Dead Simple
>9 Pit
>15 Industrial Zone
>17 Tenements
>20 Gotcha!
>22 Catacombs
>25 Bloodfalls
>26 Abandoned Mines
>27 Monster Condo
>29 The Living End
>30 Icon of Sin

Good Tier
>6 Crusher
>8 Tricks and Traps
>10 Refueling Base
>23 Barrels O’ Fun
>28 Spirit World

Okay Tier
>13 Downtown
>21 Nirvana

Shit Tier
>12 Factory
>16 Suburbs
>18 Courtyard
>19 Citadel

Chasm Tier
>24 Chasm

Only good thing in Doom was E1 and most of E4. Rest of the game is boring as balls. Hell even E1 is boring as balls. Yes at the time it was highly influential and it's the most important because it was first but in 2017 it's an utterly boring game to play and I don't understand how kiddies here keep replaying it. Doom 2 is a billion times better and Doom will never reach the heights that 2 reaches. Far better gameplay, far better enemy roster, the SSG, far more variety of level design (in terms of scale, close encounters, verticality, puzzles). The only thing Doom does better is atmosphere and level detail. Doom 1 is undoubtedly prettier, but gameplay wise fuck me it's a snooze.

However even Doom 2 is shit compared to Plutonia, and the Doom community wads have far surpassed the levels of all the officially released games (except NRFTL, which is fucking incredible, although I wish it was longer thats what she said).

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>>4053262
objective map rankings have already been done

>>4053723
According to whom? Doom babbies? Even if not them, fuck that shit. E2M2 is fucking boring. Doom 1 is fucking boring.

>>4053723
>E4M2 not god tier

>>4053262
>kiddies
Sounds like what you are. Go back to Call of Duty and leave good games to the adults.

>>4053765
epic