Is there a cheap SCART (RGB/S-video/Composite) to VGA(or HDMI)

>>4041871
PC monitors look pretty terrible with 240p if they work at all.

>>4041876
>PC monitors look pretty terrible with 240p
Nah, they are fine, there was a thread about that shit a few weeks (months?) ago.

>if they work at all.
That's why I'm asking about a converter, I'm not talking about feeding a 15kHz signal into a 31kHz VGA monitor.
Resolution side, 240p works on any shitty VGA monitor. Many DOS games supported QVGA.

>>4041893
>Nah, they are fine, there was a thread about that shit a few weeks (months?) ago.
Got low standards.
>Resolution side, 240p works on any shitty VGA monitor. Many DOS games supported QVGA.
You're in for disappoint and realization when it doesn't work.

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>>4041896
>Got low standards.
Uh? (Pic related)
Arguably better than any TV mask can give.

>You're in for disappoint and realization when it doesn't work.
Why shouldn't it? The whole point of converters is to make it work. QVGA is a official VGA resolution. We are just changing the horizontal refresh.

>>4041927
Have fun then I guess. It's your shit.

>>4041876
>>4041896
>>4041930
>let me be an asshole for no particular reason (maybe actually illiterate?)
>hurr why do you guys hate /vr/ so much!!!1

>>4041930
k

>>4041939
Hey man you want to try playing a console game on a PC monitor with no scaler that's you.

>>4041948
I'm not OP you dip

>>4041948
>scaler
>for something that natively supports 240p
not sure if retarded or a scaler salesman

>>4041950
>>4041952
What monitor are we talking about here? Because later ones aren't going to work with 240p.

>>4041953
>Because later ones aren't going to work with 240p.
>t. tech illiterate

>>4041953
VGA.

>>4041957
>>4041958
>VGA
Thanks for the great description, kiddos.

>>4041969
What the fuck do you want to know? If it's VGA it supports the VGA standard.
A pure VGA monitor won't be any different from the next. Maybe the newest VGA monitors that use primarily DisplayPort or HDMI have broken VGA support, but OP already said it's a Trinitron VGA monitor.

>>4041969
Tech illiterate alright, why did you even post?

>>4041973
>>4041975
>falling for obvious bait
topkek

>>4041973
>>4041975
>>4041979


>dumb kids talking like they know shit
Stop

VGA doesn't officially support 240p that consoles put out.

>>4041980
>VGA doesn't officially support 240p that consoles put out.
It supports the resolution, but you are right, it does not support the 15kHz signal, that's why you need the converter, also known as scandoubler.

>>4041980
>call others dumb
>literary step into the bucket yourself

>>4041985
Hey look. Someone that's not a complete underage fucking moron.

>>4041989
You have been talking to be all the time.

What the fuck are you smoking? I already said here >>4041927 that it supports the resolution but not the horizontal (15kHz) refresh.

>>4041994
>to be
To me*

>>4041994
I have no idea what you're saying. You can't take 240p from a console and throw it at a vga monitor. You need a scaler. It's no longer 240p anymore...

>>4041998
You don't need a scaler, you need a converter (scandoubler).
Those monitors support the 240p resolution natively, they don't need it to be scaled to 720p or related like new TVs/Monitors do to display them at all or display them properly.

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Older line doubler/quadruplers like this Faroudja VP400 can be found for next to nothing and will do the conversion no problem. Very, very well constructed shit (originally cost $20000 in 90s) used in fancy home theaters and pro video back in the day.

>>4042002
>You don't need a scaler, you need a converter (scandoubler).
It's not 240p anymore after it goes through a line doubler. Which is what I think you're talking about.

>>4042005
Not deinterlacer, it's still 240p, we aren't talking about a interlaced signal here.
Scandoubler doubles the scan rate, flicker fixer deinterlances.

>>4042004
Nice! It does seem to have all the I/O I'd need!

>>4042007
You're talking about a line doubler. It's taking 240p and making it 480p.

SCART is a meme

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>>4041871
Here you go.

>>4041871
Yes. Check out the boards used for connecting old arcade boards to modern LCDs. They're about $15 and work great. You'll need a PSU and probably want to put it in a case.

>>4041871
>Is there a cheap SCART (RGB/S-video/Composite) to VGA(or HDMI) converter box available?
>Something that isn't 200 bucks, for that money I'd just get a BVM/PVM, but just a cheap box that converts my SCART shit to VGA so I can just use a huge ass Trinitron tube VGA monitor I already have laying around instead?

Cheap. Good.

Pick one. Can't have both.

Cheap ones are garbage, they introduce 2-3 frames of lag that are VERy noticeable. Hard to even jump on enemies in Mario games.
They also interpret 240p as 480i; which results in needless de-interlacing ruining any motion. But they look great for 480i games, and still images. Shame about the lag.

Good ones are hella expensive.
They do a great job on 240p, introduce minimal (1 frame or less) lag, and are usually made in Japan.

No amount of whining or complaining is going to change this situation. You must face it that there is and never will be a solution to this problem. Make peace with it.

There will NEVER be something as good (or better) than the framemeister that is as cheap as you want it to be.

NEVER!

>>4042037
It's the default plug for almost all media devices in PAL regions, how is it a meme?
It's just RGB/S-Video/Composite in one connector, literary same if you'd have BNC for RGB, S-Video for S-Video and RCA for Composite.

>>4043023
>There will NEVER be something as good (or better) than the framemeister that is as cheap as you want it to be.
Framemeister is a upscaler, you don't need upscaling and analog-to-analog conversion won't produce and lag if done right.

>>4042004
>$2,450
>next to nothing

>>4043282
Way to look up the first insane buy it now on eBay (or outdated pro video page). These literally go for $50 or even less when someone puts one up.

>>4043421
holy shit

thats amazing

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i have the opposite problem, got a PVM and want to connect an emulator pc up to it but i don't want to have to get an old gpu with a hacked driver just to output the 15khz

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>>4043023
>There will NEVER be something as good (or better) than the framemeister that is as cheap as you want it to be.
I would wager that a good older line doubler/quad or scaler would blow framemeister out of the water on many fronts. These things were designed for pro video and wealthy home theaters - videophiles - and cost thousands (even 10s of thousands) new. That kind of money bought high quality components like DACs and other shit in the analog stages as they could afford that shit when designing a $20k box back in the 90s.

Framemeister is a cheap, couple chip, solution which does what it does well enough, but is not a videophile piece with the crazy shit those megabuck pro processors do. Best of all, those old machines are very cheap now so you can afford to toy around with them when you pay like $40 for one.

>>4043425
Here's a thread where a guy used one of those VP400s for this application with great results:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58130

The picture with the cover off is interesting, as you can see what $20k worth of parts under the hood looked like in the 90s.

>>4043449
>>4042004

are those NTSC only tho?

>>4043449
Besides cost, the advantage the Framemeister has over that old pro equipment is lag. A Framemeister adds a bit over a frame of lag while most old pro scalers are 2-3 frames minimum, and many of them don't recognize 240p, making them rather useless for /vr/ purposes.

The only really good Framemeister alternative is the OSSC, and using it with a CRT PC monitor should take care of its compatibility issues.

>>4041871
If you can find some Amiga-era linedoubler, then yes.

Otherwise, no. Get used to it.

>>4042004
>Older line doubler/quadruplers like this Faroudja VP400 can be found for next to nothing and will do the conversion no problem.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Faroudja-VP280FD-VP-280-Video-Processor-Frame-Line-Doubler-/271949925329
>$300 plus shipping
>"next to nothing"

well I might as well buy a Framemeister at that point.

>>4043723
Or you could set up an alert and snag one cheap when it comes up.

Lazy people are impatient. Smart cookies wait and pounce.

>>4043709
>the advantage the Framemeister has over that old pro equipment is lag
but that thing is analog-to-analog

>many of them don't recognize 240p
this one works fine with 240p as the link confirms

>>4043723
there was one going for 70 bucks

>>4043748
this, way too impatient

>>4043759
>but that thing is analog-to-analog
Doesn't necessarily mean anything. If it uses a frame buffer, it's going to introduce lag, regardless of whether the output is analog or digital. IIRC the Faroudja VP400 was tested at something like 35ms of lag, for example. The only things that are safe to assume will be lag-free are simple transcoders that don't do any scaling at all.

>>4043791
As stated it's analog-to-analog, it doesn't have a framebuffer, it's straight
Also the 35ms lag was total, only a few ms of that was the converter