ITT: graphical compromises you've grown to love

PS1 texture warping.
I would rather take that over the N64's forced VI blur

>>4037858
You don't know about the saturn lack of transparencies? Are you a fucking underaged RETARD?

>>4037858
Games that can't use hardware transparencies using dithered transparencies is a textbook compromise, obviously.

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>>4037593
flat/gouraud shading
wireframe
prerendered sprites

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>>4037860
>But the Saturn can't do transparen-

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>>4037860
>>4037863
>>4037867
These were design choices not compromises. True transparencies weren't even standard in the arcades let alone home consoles. What the fuck are you talking about?
>underaged RETARD
Oh... I see.

>>4037869
>These were design choices not compromises.
It's a compromise in the sense they had to go with the closest they could to real transparency. I honestly don't know how to explain better than that.

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>>4037860

explain this then smart feller.
>saturn was so good at transparencies even the case is see thru.

>>4037869
>True transparencies weren't even standard in the arcades let alone home consoles
They seemed standard enough for me on the SNES and Playstation, little Jimmy.

>>4037869
There are a lot of underaged tards here, but dithering has been a compromise used to simulate extra colors since... forever. It's not just used for transparency, and it's definitely a compromise.

>>4037875
too bad about the 3 sprites per screen limit on the snes

>>4037878
It is a stylistic choice NOT a compromise in the same sense the genesis having to work with a fewer color pallette was a CHOICE to cheapen manufacture costs. You seem to be the child here.

>>4037879
If you can't use google you need to get the fuck off 4chan. We aren't here to baby you.

>>4037872
You guys (more likely children) don't understand what compromise means. Not having standards because they're literately (not the meme the actual word) unachievable isn't a compromise. That's a design choice.

By your logic anything not in the future is a compromise.
>>4037875
>snes
>true transparencies
Stop
>>4037878
That's not a compromise. Again you do not know what "compromise" means.

The real tragedy is despite the Saturn taking every shortcut possible to cheapen hardware costs it STILL cost $200 more than the playstation on release.

>>4037882
OP is clearly talking about CHOICES that simulate graphical effects that the hardware couldn't handle, or which would be too demanding. Dithering fits the bill.
"Compromise" is the wrong word, but we understand what OP meant.

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>>4037886
Look transparent enough to me, kiddo.

>>4037890
Read >>4037886

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>>4037886
Is this transparent enough for you ?

I figured OP meant any outdated graphical effects, meaning things that have better alternatives now. Which is why flat shading, prerendered sprites, dithering, and PS1 texture warping are great answers.
Not sure why some of you dumbasses are getting so butthurt over his word choice when it's obvious what he meant.

>>4037898
Transparencies AND dithering on the SNES. You're gonna trigger him about nine different ways with this post.

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Blimey, look at all this dithering in a Sega game, obviously this must be a COMPROMISE and not a DESIGN CHOICE to paint the waterfalls that way.

>>4037892
>>4037898
In practice it works. A gross simplification though is it's just color tricks.

The software and hardware devs were very smart and resourceful.
>>4037904
That's color tricks by playing with the analog video. Again it's impressive the shit people came up with because they lacked true transparency capability.

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>stylistic use of dithering as a design choice
Even the Playstation did it. This has nothing to do with compromises

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COMPROMISE
[kom-pruh-mahyz]
noun
1.
a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.
2.
the result of such a settlement.
3.
something intermediate between different things:
The split-level is a compromise between a ranch house and a multistoried house.
4.
an endangering, especially of reputation; exposure to danger, suspicion, etc.:
a compromise of one's integrity.

You FUCKING RETARDS don't know what a fucking compromise and a design choice is.

>>4037912
Stop shitting up this thread posting the same thing over and over. He used the wrong word, but everyone knows what OP meant.

>>4037912
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compromise

You tired at least, slugger.

>>4037912
>something intermediate between different things:
Oh shit look it's the definition OP was using. An effect used to simulate another effect that would be properly implemented later. Thanks anon!

>>4037915
>>4037917
THAT IS *NOT* WHAT A COMPROMISE IS

>>4037920
Yeah we all agree on that. We also know what OP meant. It's a good idea for a thread, too. Stop being so butthurt.

>>4037918
>An effect used to simulate another effect that would be properly implemented later
It's not simulating anything, it's just using checkered pattern colors as an in between two different colors. This has nothing to do with hardware compromise, dithering is not implemented by hardware.

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>>4037918
>An effect used to simulate another effect that would be properly implemented later.
>later
That's some impressive mental gymnastics there kid. So ALL video games are comprises since the future will always have greater capabilities. Actually most everything in life is compromise with tard logic like that.

>>4037921
You have to go back.

>>4037923
>it's just using checkered pattern colors as an in between two different colors
>an in between
You mean a compromise?

>>4037926
WRONG it's a graphical technique not a hardware level implementation. It's got NOTHING TO DO with a hardware compromise.

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>>4037926
THAT'S NOT WHAT A COMPROMISE IS
REEEEEEEEEE

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>>4037929
>frogposter
Jesus christ, what's happened? /vr/ wasn't like this even a month ago, when did all the redditswine move in?

>>4037924
Are you trolling or legitimately retarded? We can do true transparencies and smooth gradients now. That's the end goal. Simulated transparencies are a compromise that can used when that end-goal isn't attainable. They can also be used for purely stylistic purposes.

I guess we could say VR is a compromise because we can't literally build the holodeck, but you're being needlessly pedantic. The word works just fine. We regularly use the word 'compromise' to mean an imperfect solution used when a perfect solution isn't possible. That's what "concession" means, which is used in both definitions posted here.

>>4037928
Who ever said "hardware comprise" except you? "in between" matches the definition of compromise posted here >>4037912 >something intermediate between different things

>>4037937
that image is tumblr, not reddit.

>>4037943
Have you been to Reddit? Half of it is tumblr, the other half is endless-summer 4chan lite.

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>>4037939
No. No. Stop.

When you say compromise in this usage that means you gave up a level of standard for some reason. These game hardware and software devs didn't give up a level of standard. They made the standard. This is something truly unique to retro video games.

You're using the word completely wrong and are ignorant to the negative connotation it brings. Just ignorant in general it seems.

>>4037945
I've been there at times, but not regularly. usually I go to subreddits that are directly relevant to what I'm looking for rather than browsing randomly. I was well aware of 4chan lite on there, I'll take your word for the rest.

>>4037945
>he still believes in summer posting
>implying that the kids who would be summer posting right now haven't been doing it all year on their phones at school
those days are over anon
>>4037946
>reddit spacing
>won't stop shitting up the thread over a word
jesus christ get the fuck outta here

>>4037951
How is that reddit spacing? What the fuck is reddit spacing?

This coming from a underage dumbass doing his implying memes everywhere like it means something.

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>>4037953
>second reddit spaced post
>responds in a pitifully stereotypical reddit "no u FUCKING CANCER dumbass" response
are you done? do you not realize it or something?

>>4037949
There are some legitimately good subs there. The site as a whole is endless summer though. Any of the popular parts are shit.
>>4037953
>what are memes
>what is 4chan
This is not the site for you

>>4037960
Pretty standard spacing for a forum. If you're just trying to shitpost the thread I guess you're achieving that.

>>4037951
>those days are over anon
true, the kids have smartphones now so it's different. I remember years ago, there'd be a noticeable change of quality on /b/ during school hours.

>>4037962
I agree, this fits with my experience.

>>4037945
I been there and I found was a heavily moderated forum? Maybe that's what you crave.

>>4037951
Can you shut the fuck up about "reddit spacing" already? Fucking pedophile.

>>4037963
third strike. jesus christ hasn't your kind polluted this site enough?
>If you're just trying to shitpost the thread...
kek says he dumb redditswine who spent two hours shitting up a thread over grammer. the funny thing is that I'm OP too! holy shit do you not realize how much you people stick out?

>>4037971
>again, your typical reddit FUCK THIS FUCK THAT FUCK YOU reply
you're not welcome here redditswine~

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>>4037963
I mean he got you to stop going REEEEEE and ragefucking the dictionary, so that's something.

OP, I love Star Fox. It's got wireframes, flat-shaded polygons, and dithering... it's like the holy grail of early 3D goodness. Shame about the low framerate, but it still plays well.

>>4037974
>kek
So like I thought. Underage shitter from reddit. You earned your "top kek" I guess.

>>4037983
TOPkek he thinks he's fitting in

>>4037978
You're the one getting trannytriggered over people making a compromise |:B over the fact that moot was so incompetent and lazy he failed to allow proper paragraph spacing.

So get raped by a paki.

>>4037981
>I mean he got you to stop going REEEEEE and ragefucking the dictionary, so that's something.
I'm not that anon, Just stating a fact.

>>4037985
>reddit spacing is proper spacing

no it isn't

there is no need to separate what would normally be an entire paragraph into thin sentences

oh wait, I forgot

it's """readability spacing"""

TOPkek at you

>|:B

almost as bad as -.-

jesus this board is a lost cause

>>4037981
And it's also got a single digit framerate, 12 frames per second when at full speed.

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>>4037989
My bad. One of the few downsides of an anonymous forum.
He still shut that other guy up. I think that's the important part.
>>4037985
Pic related.

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Did none of you watch this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OchOV_WDg

>>4038027
I did. It's extremely hard to understand him but the video is fairly informative

>>4038046
The subtitles are accurate and not auto-generated crap. Helps a lot

>>4038027
TLDW the Saturn can do transparencies, but the effect is limited in some unusual ways and can be complicated to pull off, which is why it wasn't used a lot.

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well potentially decent thread gone to shits
Anyway I liked how Sonic games did water sometimes such as >>4037904 and other games where the water "surface" is actually jumping very very quickly to simulate translucency

well done op, you win most autistic thread of the week award

>>4038093
I thought it was a nice idea when I made it anon

>>4037898
That's color addition not transparency.

>>4038107
That makes it even better, because it's a compromise to simulate transparency.

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>>4037909
The PlayStation itself was compromised, at least in earlier hardware revisions, as it had 5-bit per channel colour output vs 8-bit per channel of later models.

I imagine Capcom made the decision to maintain consistency across all hardware in circulation. They also likely used blue debug consoles for development and playtesting rather than green ones.

Somewhat similar to the dithering, I do kind of like that flickering visible/invisible way of faking transparency, especially for flame or energy type effects.

>>4037868
I don't understand why the shadow underfoot is such poor dithering though...

>>4038509
Shame it looks like total shit on LCD screens too.

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all 3d games with 2d sprites. I often think it looks better than low poly and wish it was still done today. for example, i could never play quake because it looks ugly compared to older fps

>>4039079
btw i didn't read the autistic debate so don't be angry if that's not a compromise

>>4039083
That is not a compromise, so yeah

>>4039083
You could have just responded to OP and ignored the thread, or responded to the thread and their complaints.
Instead you chose to compromise and do a little of both
Good post.

I really like games like Castlevania that have you use simple button combos to use special items, because controllers had fewer buttons at the time.

>all this rage on Saturday night over nothing
Y'all should have been playing games instead.

NES and diagonal scrolling

>>4037874
this is cool

>>4037945
Summer posting is a myth.
Kids internet even back then didn't just vanish when summer vacation ended.

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>>4037874
>transparent smoke grey

Is there a cooler color?

>>4044742
"What if they don't think the transparent case is cool? What if they think it's kind of a lame gimmick?"

"Hmm, good point. Let's make sure to tell them that it's cool and nip this problem in the bud."