Sonic Adventure

>>3992113
As someone who has put an unhealthy amount of time into that game, some of my complaints are
>Hub world is unfun
>Too many cutscenes
>Only 2-3 of the characters are fun to play as
>Mandatory sub games that are unfun
>Glitches
>Wonky camera
Frankly Sonic Adventure 2 is better in just about every way

Because it's a genuinely bad video game.

>>3992113
As someone who has put a healthy amount of time into this game I'd say
>Opinions
And thats fine
>>3992124
I disagree with most of this. But that's just my opinion
My only two complains would be
>Sonic's Casino Level (playing pinball) takes too long
>Sonic is neigh impossible to control when running in a tube
>>3992147
Thanks for your thoughts! Uh, they are your own right?

>>3992113
Because they are faggots, teenage faggots told to hate something by someone else who is a faggot and like a faggot they follow througn with faggotry

>>3992201
oh ok

I remember it pretty fondly. We didn't get a memory card with our DC so my bro and I played it over and over again until we were able to beat it in one sitting.

>>3992202
it's a shame people have to follow what some retard on youtube or redit says and most of the time that youtuber or redit user is just looking for attention

Maybe they only played the awful directors cut.

>>3992201
Whoa anon, you suck your dad's dick with that mouth?

>>3992223
no just your daddy

>>3992209
This, the DX version is glitched out the ass and the free camera mode barely even works.

>>3992113
I can't speak for everyone, but I think sonic in general is a real hunk of shit.

I loved the game as a child. Now I look back and played it again just to see that most of the issues of mine were addressed in this thread. It will always have a special place in my heart but when it comes down to it, it wasn't a good game

>>3992196
why are you weirdly offended by this post

>>3992113
Because it's a bad game with awful camera, consequently poor controls, and collision bugs that ruin the gameplay more. On top of a lot of complete bullshit levels.

So yeah, it's a bad game.

I do hate SA, ever since I was a child, and I was a huge Sonic fan during the MD/Genesis days. Sonic Adventure is just stupid in so many ways, just off the top of my head:
>too much focus on story and railroading the player into it, it gives you hubs but you can really only go where the game wants you to go next
>the controls are floaty as fuck and the shitty camera doesn't help, it's very hard to keep going on track and you have to actively practice for the game to be even playable
>not to mention how buggy this shit is, I've gone through floors and walls so many times.
Also I personally think the story itself is dumb as shit and felt like terrible fanfiction, but I could overlook that if the game was actually any good.

I don't mind the first Adventure. It's janky, but in a mostly fun way. The fishing levels with Big and the jewel hunting levels with Knuckles were crap though.
I only recently got to try Adventure 2 when it popped up on Steam and I didn't like it as much. It feels like the controls got even jankier and not in a good way.

>>3992113
I remember when everyone liked this game along with Sonic Adventure 2, then Egoraptor started the whole "Sonic games are awful" meme and now everyone shits on anything Sonic related.

>>3992501
For me it wasn't him, actually.
I didn't LOVE Sonic Adventure 1 or 2 growing up, they're the first games I didn't obsess over. I played every title on the Genesis except for Knuckles Chaotix or Sonic CD growing up because Mom and Dad wouldn't buy the pieces we needed to play the games. For every title on the Genesis that I played, I must have beaten the game at least 20 times by the time I had gotten to Sonic Adventure.
I'm not here to say that the games themselves are bad, honestly, it's just that they don't feel like Sonic games to me. They had a lot of innovation for the time, they did a lot of new things for the franchise, and lots of people liked it. I was in the minority, I didn't like it so much, but that's alright.

>>3992124
>Frankly Sonic Adventure 2 is better in just about every way

SA2 had a better presentation overall but it was the start of sonic being a guest character in his own games

>>3992201
>teenage faggots

Actually teenage faggots love this new Sonic, why do you think they made Shadow? to appeal to those teenage emo faggots.

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>>3992501
>"Sonic games are awful" meme

it's not like the sonic cycle didn't exist before a scrub like arin decided to do let's plays

i feel like sonic went to shit when SEGA dropped out of the console market and then it got to a point where you basically had fans who didn't know what they wanted in a sonic game

sonic didn't really get good again until colors & generations and even then those feel more like freak accidents when you had lost world & BOOM as followups

>>3992209
>>3992234
the "DX is glitched" is a meme, mostly perpetuated by game grumps fans.
The original also has its share of glitches anyway.

Here's a good comparison video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdbkX5RboFk

>>3992113
BECAUSE IT'S A SHITLOAD OF FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>3992501
What I hate more is that if you have a negative opinion about a game, you can't share it anymore if some youtube faggot said something similar because everyone just assumes you're a fan of this fuck instead of somebody who just doesn't like something.

>>3992587
It's pretty well know by the community that DX has a bunch of enter levels using the wrong character glitches that don't work in the US DC version.

>>3992587
DX was based on the Japanese release which was an early build missing a lot of bug fixes. This has nothing to do with game grumps.

>>3992331
I concur. I don't know why I didn't give up after the 1st one; it would have saved me a lot of time.

The game is bad as a whole. Only Sonic's levels (and Tails to an extent) in the first Sonic Adventure were fun. Big, Amy, and Knuckles were torturous to play through. Gamma wasn't great but not awful either.

To give the game credit at least they separated the characters into different stories so you didn't have to play them unlike Sonic Adventure 2.

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Hate's a pretty strong word, I think.
For me, personally, SA1 is the perfect example of thinking that a game is really kick-ass and amazing when you were a kid and then lashing out at it when you replay it as an adult and realize its flaws. It's not that people hate it, necessarily; it's that they're upset that a game they use to consider GOAT as a kid absolutely doesn't live up to the hype they remember giving it.

Remember; that whole stretch of gaming history from 1996-2008 was basically all "SEE HOW AMAZING THIS LOOKS IN 3D/BETTER GRAPHIX?!" to the point to where we look back on them now and realize we were playing them more because of looks and not content. A lot of Sonic Adventure was "SONIC FINALLY IN REAL 3D" and not much else.

>>3992113
Shitters w bad taste

6 characters with different styles, some are boring and unnecessary, like Big and Amy
Can't skip cutscenes on the Dreamcast version
Aged terrible, while the classic Sonic are still good to this day
DX ports fucked the gameplay too much
Others played Sonic Adventure on the GC as their first Sonic games, so they played SA2 first and then SA1 which is the complete wrong order
Characters models looked bad, as animation was bad because Sega didn't knew how to in 3d(just when Unleashed they got it right)
SA was supposed to be on the Saturn. Shit was changed through time, some stages were completely changed or cut out.

Still I do enjoy Sonic stages in SA1 more than in 2, because shortcuts and alternative paths.
Knuckles had a better radar than 2 and the levels weren't too bad. Knuckles, Tails, Amy and Gamma stories could be done in less than 1 hour on the dreamcast, later ports by skipping cutscenes in half- hour, and Big even less.

Sountrack was the best part of the game though
>>3992587
I don't remember glitches like that when I played the SA1. Not in the whale, or in the loops, falling through the ground. But I did experience that in later DX ports, even getting stuck to walls.

The only glitch I remember in the Dreamcast version is, when you play as Sonic and if spindash before entering Emerald Coast when you start the stage you can automatically fall into a massive void. But that's it

>>3992596
You're acting like you live in Russia in the 60's or something. It's not that awful, who cares as long as your opinion is genuine.

>>3992124
>Hub world is unfun
But that's wrong
That's the only fun part of the whole game

>>3992587
DX is the same game it's just ugly as fuck

>>3992587

The fuck are you talking about? Game Grumps fans think the whole game is shit, regardless of version. If anything is 'perpetuated' by said fanbase it's the idea it's a bad game, not which version is the best.

Also I've seen that video posted here before and it sucks, typical Wikipedia-level research. Doesn't even touch on the lighting engine being completely dropped or being built on the Japanese borderline-beta version.

>>3992398

I've literally never heard that about SA2's controls, found the 1st's janky as hell but always found they were dead-on in the sequel, especially the hedgehogs. Does the Steam version allow you to adjust sensitivity or anything like that?

>>3992771
This man gets it.

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>>3992113
It's almost exclusively from people who haven't played the game and are just bashing it because Internet Video Game Guy did on some faggoty web series.

These are the same people who will tell you that Sonic was never good because they couldn't beat Marble Zone in Sonic 1.

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>>3992209
>>3992234
missing transparency on the water here

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>All these delusional SAfags

I've hated both Sonic Adventure games when I first played them on the Gamecube when I was a kid.

Pic related, my favorite GC game.

>>3993927
>when I first played them on the Gamecube
Well, there's your problem.

>>3992113
I like SA (and SA2) a lot but Tails and Amy are just awful. Knuckles is tolerable, Big is honestly pretty amusing, and only Sonic and the robot's stories are actually really good.

>>3993927
>I first played them on the Gamecube when I was a kid.
Outta here, kiddo.

>>3992745
You act like every character has the same amount of time dedicated to them.

Sonic has ten levels. Amy and Big only have three each and Big's can all be beaten in less than a minute.

Sonic Adventure has a fond place in my heart, perhaps because I played it when it was new. Coming into Sonic Adventure after playing N64 the graphics blew me away.

>>3993948
I'm sorry, but I don't think a couple years would make a huge difference.

I thought both games, but SA2 in particular, were aggressively annoying, ugly and just not fun to play.

>>3993967
It's not 2007

It's 2017

>>3993948
>>3993967
Not like there was a huge difference, and Adventure 2 Battle was better than the original.

>>3993972
Pretty sure the point was that the Gamecube versions were worse, not that the year you played it somehow affected the quality.

lol

>>3993978
I've seen footage of both and read reviews that still recommend the GC games over the Dreamcast originals.

What am I missing? Did the Dreamcast versions not have horrible voice acting?

>>3993978
SA2B is better on Gamecube (more content)
SA1DX is said to be "glitchier" than the original but I don't really think it's that much glitchier than the original DC. Also more content.
At any rate, it's the same game in the end.

Ok well, I haven't replayed it in years but I don't remember it being THAT bad, it had some ideas that were misses like the chao and apparently big the cat, I sort of liked big's levels cause it was cool to see sega's new baby rendering big underwater environments and it wasn't like they were especially hard or tedious but it's still a fun enough game. None of the mascot platformers from the awkward transitioning stage are exactly home runs remember..

>>3992196
WHAT? OPINIONS? BUT ALL VIDEOGAMES ARE EITHER OBJECTIVELY GOOD OR OBJECTIVELY BAD. GET YOUR SENSIBILITY OUT OF HERE.

>>3992113

It's fun. I wouldn't say it's a great game, but it gets way more hate than it deserves, and its charm is more than enough to keep anybody playing it.

>>3994006

SA2B is definitely better on Gamecube but saying SADX has "more content" is a gross overstatement, it has 'missions' that usually involve going to random corners of the hub worlds or talking to NPCs and a few emulated Game Gear games as a reward for said missions. Other than that it has less, considering the DC version had actual in-stage challenges released as DLC.

Whether there's more falling through floors and the like I'm not sure but the GC version certain looks a lot shittier, as >>3993913 shows they did about the most barebones port possible with missing effects, missing lighting and a godawful gloss effect on every character to try and cover it.

How do you pronounce Sonic Adventure?
Sawe-Nyek Ay-duh-baw-enth-you're?

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Who cares about what version was better anymore, play the PC version with the DC restoration mod

>>3994128
Saw-nih-koo ah-do-ben-chah

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>>3992113
I think the reason why people hate it is because that was the major transition point for Sonic for what he is today. It became very story driven and drifted heavily from its 2D game style. If we wanted to count the bad game, SA1 is the culprit, SA2 fixed a lot of those problems in 1. Also, the lack of Sonic/Shadow levels kinda pulls you away from the fun aspect of the game. If the SA series actually put more effort into making it purely a Sonic (Speed) game, it would of improved.

>>3994148
Sonic Adventure Deluxe (PC) + Fixed Edition + Dreamcast Patch

>>3992113
Isnt it supposed to be good

>>3994148

>fuckthesizelimit.webm
>1.48MB

>>3997278
Couldn't make it look any better so I just left the settings on default
I'm sure I could make it look good but fuck it I'm lazy

As someone who played it autistically when I was young, it's pretty bad. I didn't have a memory card for the longest time, so I literally just had to learn to play through the whole game in a few hours of I wanted to see the super sonic ending.

Once I finally did get a memory card I became obsessed with the chao garden.

It's a game that has a few great moments that I can always go back and play, but a bunch of shit i avoid like the plague. I pretty much only play sonic if I do plug it in now.

For some stupid reason I find the Amy stages weirdly fun.

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>>3992587
>the "DX is glitched" is a meme, mostly perpetuated by game grumps fans.
Right. I guess that's why there's three different PC mods trying to bring the game to DC-level quality.

It's fine.

>>3997692
And what had to be fixed?

The definition of "passable." I've played the game a few times and have generally enjoyed myself in the Sonic and Tails stages. Amy controls like she's stuck in sludge, Knuckles is piss-easy, Gamma is a mildly fun diversion, and Big is quirky and enjoyable in this evanescent way. Navigating the hub world is fairly amusing.

Nothing about it is an amazing or transcendent experience. It's supposed to be a reimagining of Sonic 3 more or less, which actually was a good idea for the first 3D entry, but they watered it down way too much. If they had made it so the whole game was based around Sonic, and Tails/Knuckles could play the same stages in different ways—like Sonic 3 was—it could have been better. Honestly, they didn't even have to make more stages, they could have just opened up the existing ones a little more. They seem artificially constrained at times; open space might have seemed superfluous to designers but Sonic is the sort of game that rewards it, because you can spend more time enjoying the control.

Also, the programming wasn't super keen. I might be the only person this happens to but sometimes ramps and whatnot won't "work" for me, like Sonic will stop running after a camera change and mess up the flow of things or even glitch.

>>3998563
Sonic Adventure Deluxe Edition Director's Cut Fixed Edition
>Item capsules are now rotatable
>Item layout fixes (it's also backwards compatible with the Dreamcast version if you wish to improve it)
>Stage geometry fixes
>Game logic bug fixes
https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=25301&st=0

Sonic Adventure Deluxe - Dreamcast Conversion
http://www.moddb.com/mods/sadx-dreamcast-conversion

>>3992124
I like Sonic adventure, but even I have to agree with just about all of this. Sonic Adventure 2 was just more refined and used what worked, Sonic Adventure 1 had a couple well made points but then they put a bunch of dumb filler in it, and thanks to that, I always dread playing through it because of that fucking Big story.

>>3992113
People hate it either played it recently or got told to by Youtubers. I never liked it, but I always thought I was in the minority.

>>3992113
Cause the are fucktards.