Hardest rpgs? What are the hardest rpgs you guys have played?

>>3943297
I really like the concept that game but it's way too tough even for wizardry standards. Were the ports easier?

>>3943321
Both the PCE port and the arrange mode on the PS1 have features to make things easier like non-random summons and being able to issue commands.

Chaos Strikes Back is hard as hell.

>>3943321
I can't wait for someone to translate the arrange mode for the PS1 versions of 4 and 5.

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>>3943297

>>3943336
>PCE port
>of Wizardry IV

I don't believe you. Prove that this exists.

I cannot seem to wrap my head around blobbers in general.

>>3944646
Speaking of, are there any fan translations for any of the Japanese-only Wizardry games? Would like to give them a go since I enjoyed KMT and the like.

>>3944648
Japan fucking adores Wizardry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-cq1IB1eYI

I think the hardest I actually beat is Wizardry V.
Facing three mirror matches before the last boss with no practical way to rest in between was a tough nut to crack. The game also relies less on bad luck instant death encounters than its predecessors.

>>3944892
>>3944648
It's pretty much a bonus in Wiz 3. You don't even get to select it directly from the start menu.
Note that the PCE Wizardry don't have the English options from the other Japanese Wizardry ports.

>>3944689

http://www.romhacking.net/?page=translations&genre=&platform=&status=1&languageid=12&perpage=20&title=wizardry&author=&transsearch=Go

>>3944689
Yeah, but there are no walkthroughs or maps for most of them. It kind of feels like being on the frontier

>>3943297

>rpgs
I take it we're not including roguelikes, then? NetHack, SLASH'EM are pretty insane to me. They have all the features of an old western RPG except (a) more simiplistic (b) barely any or just comedic story and (c) permadeath

If we're not including roguelikes, Early Fire Emblem, Shin Megami Tensei or Advance Wars games probably fit this description. Obviously an RPG can be difficult via requiring grinding like the first Dragon Quest but strategy RPGs seem more legitimate imo as dying in Etrian Odyssey is your own damn fault.

>>3946961
There are Japanese guides. I used one when I couldn't figure out how to get the bomb in Gaiden 1. You have to combine a watch with a treasure chest.
http://infoseek_rip.g.ribbon.to/hkaityo.hp.infoseek.co.jp/wiz/wiz1ba01.html#g1b01

FTL

Hard as balls

>>3943297
I'd rather a Hardest non-RPG thread

Romancing SaGa 1 and 2
FF Brave New World
Soujinengi pre weekend

>>3943297
Hardest I've personally played? I dunno ADOM probably

never got close to beating that shit

>>3944646

Wizardry 4 also to this day imho has the best twist of a game EVER with that complete nowhere turnaround which ironically after biting yourself through these incredible hard floors puts you right back where you started and then with all those multiple endings, then three extremely overlookable ridiculously hard to get "real" endings with the swords- which again are just a masquerade to the REAL REAL ending...

So let me ask you /vr/
Have you forgotten something?

Rage of Mages 2

>>3944689
The Wizardry Gaiden games as well as a couple others.

>>3944604
Don't they have the option to play in english? Wizardry 1-3 have it.

>>3950721
Fuck off with that weeb crap.

>>3953554
Go back to Bioware general.