Questions regarding Famiclones

>>3858779
Been using Retro Duo, it's pretty solid. I'd recommend not using the controllers that they provide. any original controller would be much better

>>3858786
Ooh, that seems nice. I can look past the incompatibility list, and that it can do SNES too specifically seems great to me. Can they support NES controllers?

>>3858798
Some do, mine only does SNES controllers
some'll even do Genesis controllers

I also have a retro duo that I got for $6 console only at a thrift store and it works just fine. I have a keyboard famiclone that I love and multiple various Power Joys but the duo is the most usable (takes 72 pin carts, snes carts and controllers) and definitely the one I'd recommend out of dirt cheap famiclones.

Honestly though a Wii with a controller adapter will be cheaper, perform better and have MUCH more compatibility than a famiclone plus a flash cart.

>>3858779
There are tons that fit those 4 criteria. I have dozens that I paid $1-$2 for.
Light gun support is available but limits your options. A microphone seriously limits your options. If your tism requires it just get a basic FC and mod for whatever video you need.
You should consider adding FDS compatibility to your criteria. With FDS emulators at $10 it's silly not to. And it goes without saying that enhanced sound compatibility is part of that. Unfortunately this rules out many of the modern meme clones.

>>3858779
You're asking for something that doesn't exist. Closest you will get is nt mini

>>3860839
>i don't know about it so it doesn't exist
Cool story kid

>>3858779
As one who grew up with famiclones here are some tips.

>Never ever pay more than $10
>they all run on ASIC chips
>they all come with RF
>they are all region free
.They all accept and work with the cheapest flash cards.

>>3858779
>I need the signal flaws
Anon have you seen how RF looks in recent years since the airwaves started getting heavily used? It's worse than you remember by a whole lot. I have to move into the basement to reduce snow on my famicom

>>3861164
Most Famiclones do not have RF, the vast majority are composite only.

>>3861191
The reason you're getting snow on your Famicom over RF is because CATV Channel 95 basically shares it's frequency with 95FM radio stations. Until FM goes dark, interference will be heavy on that channel, which is the same reason that channel is often omitted in analog cable line-ups. If you use an NTSC RF device, like a US NES, the interference is much better. I still use my Famicom anyway, it all depends on where you live and other interference factors.

>>3861206
Depends on the region I guess,all of the ones I have used and seen friends using had RF.

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>>3861191
>>3861210
You guys should poke around and try to pick up an orange coaxial phono cable. They're for carrying dolby surround and a lot of satellite receivers will include one that people don't use since they don't have a surround sound system but they're usually shielded and have much better conductivity. Pair them with a "phono to f-type" connection adapter and you should see significant reduction in interference.

>>3861226
Neat. Yeah the interference is ridiculous in the US

>>3861226
Nice tip, I may have to do that. I usually use Atari-era shielded RF cables which do the job pretty nicely, but that looks much sleeker (and newer). I'm actually using an unshielded RCA to mono-1/8" cable to connect to a 5" RF only black and white TV right now with my Atari, but they're so close to one another that the interference is tolerable.

>>3861164
Do you know any by name?

>>3861317
>Ending-Man BS-500 AS
Also known as Terminator or Terminator 2 console.

>>3858779
The Dendy?

>>3861206
>Most of the three Famiclones I've heard of do not have RF
FTFYK

>>3861734
If OP goes out and buys a brand new Famiclone, it is extremely unlikely to have RF, as I said:
>the vast majority are composite only.

Typically when a native English speaker uses the term 'vast majority' it means 'most, but not all'. In this particular circumstance I was assuming that OP was looking at brand new, chinese Famiclones which are basically all composite only. If OP wants a discrete 1987 Famiclone, with real CPU and PPU and an RF output it's going to cost more than an actual Famicom, asshat.

>>3861210
>which is the same reason that channel is often omitted in analog cable line-ups

On my local cable provider that was always the porn channel in the analog days.

>>3861851
Interesting, I do seem to remember it being omitted in my area growing up. I pick up a really strong radio station when I turn off my Famicom in current year, but I think I live near the station.

>>3861790
>I was assuming that OP was looking for something he wasn't
That's why you came off so retarded. OP said specifically he wanted RF and said nothing about it being the latest model or even new.

>'vast majority' it means 'most, but not all' of only the subset of what I say is all
Top kek kid. Of course I fully expect more kidsexplaining about how you're actually correct because the rest of the world uses words incorrectly. Because, well, that's what autistic babies do. In 3...2...1...

>>3862057
>kidsex
I think we're done here

>>3861162
ok smart ass, what is it then? he said NO emushit, which also basically rules out anything using an ASIC (because they are shit), which rules out literally everything that isn't real hardware or the nt mini because he wants analog out.

>>3862905
>it
Top kek kid. I have dozens of clones that do what OP asked for. Because I've been collecting them since before you were born. You're a fool and a tool. Obligatory 18+ and back to /v/.

>>3862905
Dendy and brazilian nesclones (don't remember what they called there) are hardware clones whose only difference from original is that they are built without nintendo license on chineese parts. Parts and the rest are exactly the same, and they behave the same as original nes aside from some hardware mods.

>>3862943
Not anon, but you don't need to be an ass about it. Some of us didn't grow up with clones and we're also unaware of them

>>3862943
So basically we should admire you for being old and pathetic? Am I missing something here?

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>>3858779
>29 posts
I'm not angry. Just disappointed.
What happened to you /vr/?

My wifes son says youre a loser for not just going for real hardware

>>3863281
>>3863289

Not only is he being an ass, he's probably role-playing an oldfag who has 'dozens' of famiclones. No one outside of dedicated clone collectors have 'dozens' of Famiclones, and a dedicated collector of them would be more knowledgable about the subject.
>>3863325
The Retron 5 is not a hardware clone, and thus, not relevant to this conversation at all.

>>3863325
Shitty meme is shitty.

>>3858798
>Ooh, that seems nice. I can look past the incompatibility list

No, you can't. There are too many great titles that simply don't function properly (or at all) on Famiclones. Games that do work are going to have off-color palettes and inaccurate sound pitches, or bleepy-bloopy sound effects cropping up all over the place when they aren't supposed to. Not to mention that Famiclones tend to die within just weeks of purchase. Trust me, you'll regret that investment very quickly.

Also, Famiclones love to put a death grip on your cartridge pins, which means inserting and removing carts will gradually inflict permanent damage on both the Famiclone unit and your game carts.


>no emulation

I don't know why you're adverse to emulation when it is in fact MORE accurate and has better compatibility than a shitty Famiclone. You'll pay a lot less and get a lot more use out of a dedicated emulation device, be it a Pi or just an old outdated desktop or laptop that you have lying around.

Bear in mind I'm speaking from personal experience here, and quite frankly, I'm trying to save you from going through the same tedium I've been through with these shitty devices. But if you insist on learning the hard way, go right ahead and waste your money on a Famiclone.


>but I need RF support

For what reason? I by no means want to endorse emulation filters, but there are filters that can reproduce the look and feel of an RF signal.

Although Famiclones are mostly (if not exclusively) composite-based, they still output something that most certainly looks like an incredibly distorted RF signal.

>>3858779

Get an AVS, use an hdmi to rca converter, plug it on your CRT and there you go. I honestly don't know why you'd want to do that to a product that's been worked with such effort to bring you the crispiest NES image possible (under it's budget).

get a DIY famicom
it's a highest quality famicom clone you can get and it's based on genuine godlike UMC chips
http://www.sakuraspot.com/diy-famicom-1-p-30.html
or if you want something with more features like VGA/RGB
DIY famicom 2
http://www.sakuraspot.com/diyfamicom2-p-14.html

downside is that you would have to make case yourself

>>3863464
For that money you could get easily get something that wasn't designed + made in china.
Like an AVS or an original console with RGB or HDMI mod

>>3863471
Don't you dare talk shit about UMC.

>>3863471
The DIY 2 is essentially an NESRGB machine with more video output options, it's also like half the total price. An AVS may be a better better option for HDTVs though, for around the same price.

>>3863281
Those of you who didn't grow up with clones shouldn't pretend you know everything about them should they? Doing that and then sperging out when corrected is being an ass.

>>3863289
Basically your butthurt. Let it flow through you.

>>3863656
his butthurt what exactly?

>>3863656
I never said anything about my knowledge of clones, and I happened to grow up without clones, it doesn't mean I grew up past their time. How do people like you get to this age without learning how to communicate like a normal human being? And you say I'm sperging out.

Anyways, the question has been answered, and by someone who didn't act like a cunt too, so we're good.

>>3863509
At no point did I say they were bad.
I know they're the best hardware clones you can get apart from fpga implementations by people like Kevtris.
Still, they do have also do have a couple of incompatibilities + that clone only makes use of the UMC CPU. They implemented the PPU part themselves through FPGA hardware and who knows how much care they put into programming that.
It's not especially big news that the chinese don't have too much interest in actually providing a quality product.
>>3863519
Uhhh... Where do you get your prices!?
Are you saying you'd have to pay 320$ for an NES with NESRGB?

A region modded NES.

>>3863687
Buying the parts and paying someone to mod it usually runs ~$300.

>>3863712
Sounds like something Drakon would charge for his mutilated shit.
Back when I didn't yet start doing that shit on my own, I paid exactly 160$ for the kit + installation.
Now of course this doesn't include the console but heck if you look around locally you can get an NES for below 20$ so that's not nearly 300$.
Additionally if you got the know how you can easily do the install yourself and save yourself the money for the install service too.

>>3863730
I'm not doubting that, but prices aren't as low as $160 anymore. Also fuck Drakon; but let's be real most people aren't going to do those mods themselves. Desoldering the CPU/PPU without the proper tools is no easy task, and investing in a solder pump, etc, adds to the cost. Also RGB modding a Famicom is faking it anyway, since it was literally designed not to do that and the colors are all wrong, but I digress.

>>3858779
Did you make this thread knowing this video is going to be uploaded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyBYdabEFc&t=28s

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>>3863802
Nah, I genuinely don't know. Analogue NT seems killer tho, but absolutely nothing justifies that price tag. Perhaps until it actually does live up to the title of the "end-all, be-all" platform. If something costs as much as current gen consoles, it's just not worth it.

Also, I would like to thank everyone for their input. I've read them all and they have all been amazingly helpful, but ultimately, I'm convinced that what I'm looking for would just be a plain Japanese Famicom(or Famicom AV). At least that way I wouldn't have anything to worry about anything regarding authenticity.

I'd still like to know about flashcarts. Must every one cost $100 minimum? And also would a Famicom(by itself) be capable of accurately playing FDS roms from a flashcart just like if you had an FDS attached?

>>3863876
You can get a Chinese EverDrive N8 for ~$75, which I highly recommend (I have one, it works great). If you get a FDS RAM Adapter (the plastic cartridge part), you can plug a $10 'FDS Stick' into it and run FDS games perfectly. The EverDrive does indeed play FDS fairly well. Not perfect, but more than playable.

>>3863738
Well I do have to say I don't have clear sources for current prices on NESRGB installs so who knows but still, I doubt its gonna be as high as 300$ but I'm not gonna keep arguing about that.
For the NESRGB you only need to desolder the PPU btw.
And a tip regarding desoldering them: You don't really need to get an expensive soldergun whatsoever.
I've done 2 NESRGB installs and 3 Hi-Def Installs and all I used was an Ersa soldering iron, a cheap 5$ hand solder pump and a 15$ heatgun to get those chips out.
Using hotair makes pulling the chips even safer than with just the desolder gun in my opinion.
Even with the desolder gun there's always gonna be a bit of solder residue in the pin holes so you always run the risk of pulling a trace when pulling a non loose pin.
The way I do it is to just go over the chip's pins once with the iron and solder sucker. That gets rid of enough solder for me to only have to apply hot air for ~3 seconds to be able to easily slide the chip out.
Oh and the hardware never had a set color palette to begin with so there's really no way for it to be right or wrong (and im not gonna count the ugly garish palette of the original RGB PPU).
Also isn't it exactly the same with the RGB output on that DIY Famicom then?

>>3863912
I'm mostly concerned about audio reproduction(in fact, that was the killer point that convinced me to try an actual Famicom), and I remember vaguely from somewhere that FDS had its own way of producing music. The Zelda 1 soundtrack sounds much richer on the FDS for example.

>>3863916
Oh for sure, the DIY Famicom 2 is just as fake. Putting a mini-computer inside your Famicom to emulate the PPU just seems pretty inauthentic to me. In my opinion, the PC-10 and Famicom Titler PPUs are the ONLY authentic RGB palettes for the Famicom, Composite is subjective and varies by set, obviously. I just don't see the point, personally. And god forbid someone guts a fucking Playchoice cab for an RGB mod...
>>3863920
In that case, you want an FDS Stick, the EverDrive has absolute garbage audio for FDS, that's what I meant by 'playable'. They games work fine, but they sound bad, The FDS has an extra sound chip on board allowing for some rad FM style sound generation.

>>3863920
That's one of the main points the N8's FDS emulation flops at.
If you want the real good stuff go for the FDS stick with the RAM adapter

>>3863929
>>3863927
What about the Sharp Twin Famicom?

>>3863935
The Twin Fami is a pretty neat console in my opinion, though I still prefer the AV Famicom because of the non hardwired controllers.
Also you won't be able to use an FDS stick with it unless you still get a RAM adapter to plug it into if I'm not mistaken.
If you just want to play real disks or don't mind still needing to get a RAM adapter I'd say go for it.

>>3863935
Basically you want to avoid an actual disk drive because they're a nightmare. They require constant maintenance, and the disks themselves are all on the way out. The Twin Fami has AV out and a nice audio circuit, but other than that there's no real advantage over an FDS Stick and an original Famicom (which also has the nice, warm audio). The AV Famicom is really bright with expansion audio, and I'm speaking from experience for what it's worth, I own many Famicoms.

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This is my NES Clone OP.

It's a Nippondo model from the early 90s, surely Taiwaneses.

Some of them have a TA PPU that can be used for switching between 60 and 50 hertz if you want.

I also play with RF cable, I like It.

>>3863994

No need to say, It shallows anything. NES, FC with adapter...

The only thing I didn't try yet is the Everdrive.

>>3864003
Those old clones that still used real clone ASICs of the original PPU and CPU are a lot more accurate than the later cheap NOACs that flooded the market later on
so if anything I'd say it has good chances it'll take an Everdrive just fine.

>>3863994
$10 NOAC Famiclones work with the EverDrive, so that thing is basically guaranteed to work with one.

>>3865112
I still can't believe how many people actually do this. Some Chinese manufacturer should start putting NOACs right on the everdrive board so you can just plug a power supply, composite cables and a controller into the cart itself and play.

>>3865169
Brilliant idea, let's go into business.

>>3865169
They do. They even make them with a built in screen and controllers.

>>3858779
>2. Runs original(or near-original) hardware, no emushit

A famiclone is going to be a FPGA. A FPGA implementation of a chip is still emulation.

>>3866135
Really? Everdrives you can plug into your Famicom?

>>3863464

>GB boy color for $85 on that site

That shit goes for like $30 shipped on AE. If u could get that "DIY Famicom 2" for like half of what they're selling it at I would buy it.

>>3866216
>"DIY Famicom 2" for like half
It'll drop in a year or two but by then you'll want kevtris's console

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>>3866190
whatcomprehension?

>>3866717
I don't think it's your comprehension I think you were just trying to seem funny by suggesting we were talking about something other than what we were talking about.

>>3867087
You were talking about plugging a NOAC into a famicom. That's more retarded than funny.

>>3867906
No, I was talking about putting a NOAC on an Everdrive. Here's a tip! Before posting, try reading the whole thread. Especially if you're planning a "lolreading" post.

>>3865169
>Some Chinese manufacturer should start putting NOACs right on the everdrive board so you can just plug a power supply, composite cables and a controller into the cart itself and play

>>3866135
>They do

>>3866190
>Really? Everdrives you can plug into your Famicom?

>>3867924
Alzheimers a bitch init?

>>3865169
>>3866190
>>3867087
>>3867924
Retarded tripfag

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>>3868138
You're not going to bait me into diagramming a sentence for you, I don't believe you're that illiterate. What did this poor famiclone thread ever do to you?

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>>3858779

>>3868218
>i don't know how to diagram a sentence

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>>3869742
Post more of my famiclones, you say? Okay!

>>3869765
Cancerous tripfag.

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>>3869830
Sorry for posting famiclones in a famiclone thread. Clearly I am rotting away at the very core of the board

>>3869847
No, it's the fact that you're skirting the argument and acting like you did nothing wrong.

You have problem gramps, and that's acting like a holier-than-thou faggot.

>>3869765
Cool deflection kid

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>>3869875
>>3869881
No amount of 71 second samefagging and pretending to be retarded is going to get me to argue my very clear posts about slapping a NOAC chip onto Chinese Everdrives so they could be played all by themselves when you have them away from your real hardware. I will post some more famiclones though. Also, I'm truly sorry about your self-image issue. I'm just a regular guy with a regular life that happens to have been playing and collecting games for a long time.

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>>3869929
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a samefag.

Top kek "kiddo"

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>>3869941
>>3869953

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>>3870009
>>3869929
>>3869847
>>3869765

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>>3870014

>>3869929
You've put on some pretty sad displays in the short time you've been here but I'm afraid you just might have reached a new low.

>>3870009
>>3869929
>>3869847
>>3869765
>>3870031
For someone trying to fix /vr/, you sure do fall prey to all of the retarded tripfag cliches.

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>>3870032

>>3870043
containment

>>3869929
>>3869953
Thanks. Was gonna post a screenshot but you saved me the trouble. Of course the cunt is totally not a samefag himself >>3867924

>>3869941
He jumped the shark on day one. Or was it two or three? Some time recently. That rant about how he's not new and everyone should know this by his style of posting. Like he's the only shitposter?

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>>3870325

Dude. Try to leave with at least a shred of dignity.

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>>3870431
I liek famiclones

>Hello, Hiro?
>Yes, I'd like a replacement; this tripfag is broken.

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>>3870464

Yikes

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>>3870481
i just bought this penguin, plugged it in and something inside it exploded, Didn't get to screw around with it at all had good luck with famiclones in the past.

So this is why mommy and daddy sent grandpa to the old people motel after all the pets on the street went missing

>>3870554
That sucks what kind of AC adapter did you use? I thought he was 4xAAA powered like a Power Joy which is always a good warning to only use a 6v adapter but now I don't see any pics of his battery compartment.

>>3869830
>>3869875
>>3869881
>>3870014
Fuck you're one upset samefag

>>3870451
Neat, I'd get that to race my VHS rewinder car. Does it have a name?

>>3871161
Samefag with a laptop and a phone then?

>>3871161
You're not fooling anyone, also you're sage-ing wrong.

>>3871213
Well in your attempt to sage, you've become a namefag yourself. Nice work.

>>3871223
Try what? Also good job removing your name.

This thread is an embarrassment and should be deleted

>>3871289
Agreed.

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>>3871154
It's a Unitech brand Korean famiclone. It says "Saver v2000" and the few English pages about it call it that but if you can get the Korean text to search you might have more luck. From the box, chances are it's been out of production for at least 15 years.

>>3860230
>a Wii with a controller adapter
/thread

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>>3871149
Not that I don't whole wholeheartedly agree with the other anons

>>3871878
Top two are me, and aren't even samefagging.

One was me telling tripfag he's garbage, the other is telling him why he's garbage.

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>>3871896

>>3871896
>he's garbage
garbage's gramps?
The guy has really lost the plot. I guess that's why people put old folks in old folks homes where they can be properly medicated

>>3872013
Jesus. You're still at it? Why? It's gone beyond pathetic at this point. Just tell the kids to take you back to the the above mentioned place where they can look after people in your condition.

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>>3872278
umm. you do know your senile breakdown is being archived forever don't you?

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>>3861191
>Anon have you seen how RF looks in recent years since the airwaves started getting heavily used?
I dunno, seems good enough for me. Also are RF airwaves getting heavily used. I was under the impression since standard analog OTA is dead and digital OTA is basically dead that it's less used.

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>>3872947
Something I always wondered about RF signal, it doesn't seem to ever show scanlines? I played SMB on an RF-hooked NES very recently and was pretty amazed that I could see no scanlines.

>>3873018
Scanlines aren't nearly as visible in general on smaller, consumer-tier CRTs because of the masks they use.

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>>3873018
The majority of TV's especially shadow masks don't show 240p scanlines even over composite. 240p was devised more for the frame rate than for sharpness.

>>3872947
They say the VHF band will be reassigned eventually but yeah it's pretty quiet right now. Lots of electronic devices emit it now. Lots of people keep their PCs close to their TVs for example. PC cases are Faraday cages but they send interference from their wires kinda like antennas - and lots of other electronics do too. Do modern consoles even have "FCC Class B Computing Device" stickers anymore?

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>>3858779
the one and only