Is the Jaguar really as terrible as people make it out to be?

It's playable but as I can recall it just wasn't very appealing.
>friend brings it over
>try out Cybermorph, AvP and some racing game
>controller sucks, graphics are mediocre, no killer first party title
The just wasn't anything memorable about it.

You see, theres good consoles, ok consoles, and bad consoles

Good ones have flaws, but they are minimal. Like the lack of a certain button or something like that
Ok consoles are the ones who have more flaws but have at least one thing that makes you want to buy it
Bad consoles dont have anything good or at least memorable.

And thats were the Jaguar fits. The controller is horrible, the graphics are barely better than 16 bits consoles, the games are mediocre. I cant think one good thing about the Jaguar.

>>3835043
Not worth the money to get the games worth playing on it. Like, even if money isn't an issue for you, there are better things you'll end up wishing you spent it on.

>>3835097
How many Jaguar games (ports included) are actually worth playing?

There is supposedly a flashcart in the works.

>>3835043
I couldn't tell you because the emulation for it is pretty shit. I would like to try it, there are definitely some cool looking games on it.

I always thought Alien vs Predator looked sweet

>>3835124
Would be okay if it didn't have a trash framerate and bad controls. but even then it's not that good. It's the only semi interesting thing on the console

>>3835043
Do you like playing fun video games?

>64-bit
facepalm

So did sitting out the generation before this kill the Jaguar and Atari's hardware line Sega-style? Or did it die mainly because it sucked?

>>3835124

It fucks itself over by being too ambitious. It could have run at 60fps because the engine is so simple but they decided to make the entire game map persistent, so enemies are always moving and their ai is being processed all the time. It is a cool idea but you would never know it is happening if nobody told you, so it isn't worth the performance cost.

Fun fact, it was fonna connect to the Lynx and let you use the screen as a motion tracker.

>>3835314
Never played it but looking at it it just looks like a Doom clone. At 64 bits you'd think they should be competing with 5th generation consoles.

>>3835109

Tempest 2000 is the actual best game on the system. It is legit exhilarating and fun, and the ost is heart pounding.

>>3835475

According to John Carmack it could have competed with those systems if not for a really stupid design flaw that bottlenecked textured polygon performance.

It had the best console ports of Wolfenstein 3D and Doom. Wolf3d has new textures and sprites, fullscreen and 60fps as well as 2 new weapons.

"This is complicated. Fuck it, let's just port over our Amiga shit and use the M68K!" -- A Jaguar developer, yesterday.

>>3835476
Tempest 2000 and Rayman are the two best games on the system.

The problem? Both were ported to Saturn and PS1.

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What the fuck is this thing?

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>>3835514
Also, I like the name. Heh heh.. xegs

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>>3835516

>>3835463
>someone didn't do the math

>>3835484
>best console ports of two games you should really be playing on a computer anyway.

Still not exactly much in its favour.

>>3835469
They were likely to tank anyway, but the 7800 did respectably as a budget arcade-port system against the NES; so it's likely they would have done a little better had they not sat out the 16-bit era.

>>3835514
It's a consolized computer; it basically plays any cart based Atari computer games/software. It's actually a pretty cool machine.

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>>3835469
>>3836121
It wouldn't had made much of a difference. It was the age of Japanese gaming dominance and Atari was too nationalistic and out-of-touch to court Japanese third-party developers. Even The 3DO Company had enough sense to try to court Japanese developers to support its console.

I'd love to buy the CD addon, but it's sooo expensive it's not even funny.
Console sucks cos games are all super terrible.
I know since I have the flashcart and I have tried them all.

>>3835043
I only ever played AvP on it. Back then i liked it a LOT. Not sure how well that game did age. Probably looks a little atrocious by now.

I feel like people go into the jaguar thinking it's shit and that's the only thing they're looking for. If you're not looking for any positives of course it's gonna seem shitty. There's some good games on the console but it's definitely not even comparable to the saturn or ps1. If you actually hold the controller it's not that bad either. It fits really comfortably in the hand (the number pad is absolute shit but if you ignore it and pretend it's unnecessary extra plastic for grip it's aiight), the buttons are kinda shite tho.

If you actually look for positives a lot of the games can actually give some decent enjoyment. The demo of phase zero is really good albeit kinda short. Rayman is pretty good and this is the original console it was being developed for. Iron Soldier is mediocre but will give some enjoyment.

The Jag has a weird autistically obsessive fanbase too of pretentious retards. Look under a Jag forum and it's just all homebrew developers making minesweeper run on a jaguar swearing at each other and talking themselves up like gods. If you want a good giggle take a peek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4K7ABfzMeA

Also check this out, I was amped as shit for this to come out. An actual homebrew game on the jaguar and one of the only titles on it to run in 3D and look kinda interesting. But in typical homebrew fashion they just got to gotdamned streeeeeeeessssssssed to do anything with it. Fuckin bogus man

>>3835463
>he didn't finish school

>>3836125
looks like shit though, would rather get a XL

>>3835043
I still have mine. AvsP is a mild curiosity. There aren't enough reasons to buy one

>>3835514

probably the best way to enjoy all the Atari worthwhile games. Runs all atari computer software, and almost all 2600 games have been ported to it with upgrades. And has flashcarts too. I have mine and is built like a tank. And is very easy to dissasemble and clean. I love it.

>>3835484
>Wolf3d has new textures and sprites, fullscreen and 60fps as well as 2 new weapons
The Mac port also had these features. In fact, the Jag port is based on the Mac port.

>>3837085
Hence why he said CONSOLE ports.

>>3835043
Yes, It is worse than What AVGN makes LJN out to be.

>>3835043
Its not good at all

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>Hi, I'm the Atari Panther
>I look like a printer or shredder or fax machine or something

>>3837985
More like those circulation systems on old aquariums.

Someone who's used it, is that the most uncomfortable controller ever the way it seems? It's just a square.

>>3838151
lol

>>3838154
Without digging it out of the closet I font remember it being too bad. The underside was rounded and smooth I think

Am I the only one who liked the controller ? It was pretty comfy

>>3839774
I agree

>>3835109
Brutal Sports Football, Pinball Fantasies, Sensible Soccer and AvP. None of those are exclusive aside from the last one. That's pretty much it.

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But the Jaguar had the competition on the run!

>>3841565
not rly

>>3841565
Oh my god how embarrassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnbog6IDF9c

All the shovelware and none of the good games

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>>3841580

>>3841580
Guess what, you do the math!

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>>3841565
>ripping off art from Yoshi's Cookies for your ad

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>>3841580

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Jaguar needed a mascot that set it apart from the competition.

>>3841643
that lady that turned into a jaguar might have been a good one

>>3841643
What mascot is that in the upper righr?

>>3841654
Amiga CD32

>>3841654
Rolfee for the PC-FX

>>3835043
It's the worst.

>>3841470

Not a good sign when your list doubles as the best Amiga games list.

>>3841580
What the fuck did I just watch.

The Jag looks like an F-zero car

Had it when i was a kid, had 3 games Cybermorph, Dino Dudes, and Syndicate. Thought Dino Dudes and Syndicate were bad ass games, later in life realized they were DOS ports. Sold the console some time ago to a guy who is really passionate about retro gaming, he got much more out of it than i did. The Jaguar was a neat console it just didn't have any good exclusives, and thus was pointless.

Even the 3DO had at least some good games. The Jaguar? I can't even name one. I anyone that had it can provide a list of good Jag games I would be grateful. All I remember is a Alien game I once saw in a magazine.

>>3842047
>The Jaguar was a neat console it just didn't have any good exclusives, and thus was pointless.
Same with the 3DO, pretty much.

Did Jaguar ever have some sort of online service? According to wikipedia's 5th gen article it says Jaguar has had an online service since '95 'using 19.9k voice dialling'. Anyone confirm this?

>>3836151
This t.b.h.

>>3835043
I remember when I was a kid there was some Jaguar game that looked cool to me. Can't remember anything about it other than you played as a ninja and I think it was an RPG.

>>3842159
Was there even a single RPG on the Jaguar?

>>3841565
>using fucking Raiden as a selling point for your 64 bit system

I winced a bit

>>3842163
I don't know. I'm starting to think I'm remembering wrong because I've tried finding info for it over the years and it just doesn't sound like any game that was ever released on the Jaguar

>>3841580
This is pure gold, holy shit.

>>3842163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LhKx5YKCsk

>>3836418

...Isn't that the voxel terrain engine from Phaze Zero?

>>3842082

Tempest 2000, Rayman, Doom, Wolf3D.

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>>3841580
Am I the only one who preferred the "16-bit" girl?

>>3841580
>FOR HALF THE COST, THAT'S THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SYSTEM AND THE OTHERS BOB
atleast they admit it's shit

>>3842406
>IS THAT REALLY GONNA HAPPEN TO ME

>>3842458
>YOU WANNA HAVE FRIES WITH THAT?

>>3835043
These people are all morons that have watched too much AVGN and accepted it as fact, it's not that bad of a system, it had a few good games, it's not a good system to collect for though as it's expensive with too few decent games and emulation is really bad. So it's probably best to avoid unless you really like spending a lot of money just to play 3 or 4 good games.

>>3842461
oh, and I will add, it's not technically a bad system, it's the games that are bad, now the CDi, that, THAT was a bad system.

>>3841580
>>3842406
>>3842458
>>3842460
true cringekino

>>3842460
>>3842458
>>3842447
nice meme shitposting asshats

>>3842470
>>3842468
Go away Jack

>>3842470
Did you grow up with this system or something? Sorry I didn't do the math like you.

>>3842465
CD-i
It's wasn't even a game system. they changed the marketing after the fact.

>>3842465
Was the CDi bad as a multimedia system or just when used for games?

>>3842483
I'm sure it was fine as a multimedia system. Philips lost a billion dollars on it though.

>>3836125
>>3837071
you can't really play games that need a keyboard on it though and those same flashcarts will work in an atari 8bit computer.

>>3842481
yes, but it was marketed as a game system regardless, despite what it was originally meant to be, it was remarketed as a games system and the focus switched mostly to games, which makes it a games system in most people's eyes, almost no one are familiar with it from the short period of time where it was marketed as a multimedia system.

>>3842502
Weren't they trying to sell it as a computer for people who can't afford a full computer? Like a half-puter for your living room. Kind of like iPads, which can be seen as laptops for people who don't want or need a full laptop.

>>3842490
The XEGS has a keyboard, it's a full on computer in a 'gamer-friendly' case. The full XE *Game System* (GS) shipped with the console, keyboard, and a joystick and lightgun.

>>3842508
ummm.... that's exactly what the term "multimedia system" meant back then...

>>3841565

Man even that ad felt weak and unimpressive. Brutal.

>>3835514

Vaperwave the console. Though I'd be a liar if I didnt think it looks sharp as fuck

>>3842483
it would have been fine as a multimedia system, but the entire concept of a "multimedia system" was something corperate marketing was convinced everyone wanted but no one actually did, any system that tried to go down that road ultimately failed. Personally I think the actual biggest casualty of the trend was the 3DO which had the opposite fate, it was a decent game system, and was originally made as a game system, but at then the company decided to market it as a multimedia system just because that was the trendy thing to do at the time, which instantly killed the system, both in the eyes of the public and game developers.

>>3842513
Oh ok. Thought it meant more like "this CD player also plays games" or something more along those lines.

>>3842526
actually, the more i think of it, the CDi was "this CD player also plays games", it was the Apple Pipen that was really made with the idea of it being a computer for people that didn't need computers or were afraid of them.

>>3842163
Yup, Telegames released Towers II for the Jaguar late into its life. Never played the Jaguar version but it seems like a decent game

>>3842525
Wasn't it rather because it was to expensive and the fact that it's 3D capabilities weren't that strong?

>>3842525
I learned driving with a CDi.
DVD players were very successful as multimedia systems. I'm not sure why VCD didn't reach mass market outside of Asia.

Or, if you want to be cool, you say "Play some Jaaaaag."

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>>3842858

Did Jaguar ever have some sort of online service? According to wikipedia's 5th gen article it says Jaguar has had an online service since '95 'using
>19.9k voice dialling'.

Anyone confirm this?

>>3842884
http://www.atarihq.com/museum/jaglynx/jagmodem.html

>>3842510
Has anyone tried hooking a floppy drive or any other Atari PC items to an XEGS?

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>>3843380

you can hook up a laptop to a XEGS using the sio2usb cable

>>3835043
It has some decent games but one of the major issues with that is a large majority of the good games were already available on other platforms or eventually got ported onto something else in a short amount of time. Hell literally every game in your image are ports of PC games.

>>3843380
My dad had an Atari 800 and my parents bought be an XE because I spent too much time on the 800 which was being used as a glorified type writer. The 800 had a 2 disk 5.25" floppy and an Epson dot matrix printer. My dad bought a Mac Plus and gave me the external floppy drive. I'm pretty sure the printer would have worded with it too.

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>>3843598
By XE I meant this.

>>3842754
>. I'm not sure why VCD didn't reach mass market outside of Asia.

Because it didn't have any improvement in video quality over VHS tapes.
Betamax had 50% more picture quality than VHS.
Laserdisc has 2x as much PQ as VHS.
DVD has 4x as much PQ as VHS.

I wonder if black and white films on VCD could approach DVD quality since they don't need as much bitrate. An academic question of course as normies don't buy B&W films.

>>3835064
So the Wii U is an Okay Console going by this?

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>>3843603

the XE has the same ports as the other Atari computers, the SIO, which is very easy to work and modify to be compatible with actual hardware

>>3843639

well, yeah, thats why it sold 13m isnt?

>>3842754
I recall someone saying many people in Asia didn't have VHS players. Japan did well in the 80's but I guess some of the other countries became more prosperous by the time MPEG1 was a thing. Fewer parts probably made it easier to produce cheap VCD players. VHS out of the box looked better than VCD and everyone in the west already had players. It wasn't until MPEG2 came out that analog VHS had serious competition.

>>3843646
Did it have a RS-232 port? I was too young to remember and it was sold long ago in a garage sale.

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>>3843658
Never mind. I assume that's it on the far right.

>>3843654
Encoding efficiency of MPEG1 can vary though.
Newer encoders perform significantly better than their predecessors.

>>3843654
>>3843630
Not needing to rewind is already a boon.
Maybe VCD would have been more successful if the PS1 supported it out of the box.

>>3843668
While I'm sure this is true, VCD uses a specific bitrate like DVD. Action scenes become block explosions.

>>3843680
I doubt it. You still had to get up and put in the other half of your movie. One hour was about all you could fit one it. Saturn actually had an expansion port which you could add an MPEG1 hardware accelerator for VCD. Playstation only supported MJPEG playback.

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>>3843654
>>3843680
The reason VHS never caught on in Asia was humidity and cost of media. Videotapes degrade more quickly in humid environments, and VCD was cheaper AND didn't suffer accelerated degradation due to humidity.

This is pretty much it. It wasn't quality, because VCD looks like complete fucking shit when there's too much motion (low bitrate + MPEG1 = dog shit), it boiled down to cost and the ability to nullify the side effects of a humid environment.

VCD was hands-down the dominant video format in Asia throughout the 90's, until DVD took over.

>>3843691
There was a White Playstation that had a MPEG1 decoder built in and supported VCD playback right out of the box. It was only released in Asian markets, specifically Hong Kong.

There were also various third party adapters that could add MPEG1 encoders through the I/O port, including the one in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FA4DbVJzXc&t=12s

I used to own this product, which would support direct playback if you opened the console and soldered a wire between two points on the motherboard, I don't really recall since it was years ago. That might've simply been to make the remote control work honestly, fuck I am old.

>>3843854
Got bored and went digging around, this was the adapter I used to have
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEXTEK-PSVCD-Plus-LX-5000-Movie-Card-for-Playstation-1/231661768724

It was pretty cool for 1996

>>3843863
neat, i use to use my dreamcast as a VCD player. with the homebrew.

>>3843639
I know this isn't /vr/, but in retrospect, people are gonna REALLY like the Wii U. Think about it: it has quite a few really cool exclusives that a lot of people never got to play, it plays games straight off the disc (which is unique for this generation), it's made by Nintendo which automatically raises its value, and most of the issues that plagued its commercial relevance (no multiplats, price, its competition, Nintendo's kiddie image) don't matter anymore when people collect for it after it's dead. Also, the library is so small (under 300 physical games, if I'm not mistaken) that people will definitely try to go for full sets.

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The Lynx was just as high profile of a failure and its library is just as tiny. But the Lynx had better games, and its ports weren't outclassed by anything because there was no better way of playing Atari's arcade games on the go. It filled a niche in the handheld market, so people still look on it fondly, while the Jaguar was redundant as a console.

Basically people shittalk the Jaguar not because it bombed, but because there isn't, and has never been a reason to own one.

>>3841565

64 bit, DO THE MATH fuckers!
Now get your fat ass into the next store and buy our machine!

>>3843691
There were tons of bootleg mpeg cards for the Saturn, and there was an Asian specific release that had a built in card and red "video cd" decals on the console.

>>3843956
this is powerful self-delusion right here

you poor soul

>>3844219
>I didn't own a Wii U so it must suck

>>3844074
Nintendo 64 is 64 bit and PSX is _32_

Meanwhile, Jaguar is 64 bit and just plays doom clones...

Someone failed arithmetic

>>3841580
That Jag chick looks like Marcy's niece from Married With Children.

>>3835043
The Jaguar was awful for numerous reasons.

I'm 33 and grew up with gaming in the late 80's and 90's. While we had amazing systems like SNES and Genesis, we also had the following garbage systems (not including Neo Geo since it was always marketed as a niche system):

Sega CD
Sega 32X
Panasonic 3DO
Phillips CD-i
Apple Pippin
and the Atari Jaguar

All of these systems were disasters and many of them were super expensive. Even though Jaguar was cheaper, it continued to flood the market with shit consoles with shit game libraries.

There was always the fear that another video game market crash could happen. Sony PS1, Nintendo 64, and to a lesser extent Sega Saturn were able to pull ahead and get back to a 3 video game system market.

On a more personal note, I ALMOST bought this thing when it came out because my naive young self thought it looked so cool. My parents convinced me not to get it and get more SNES games. I finally tried the Jaguar at a video game trade show and hate everything about it. Hated the controller, hated the slow as fuck framerates on every game I tried, it was awful.

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>>3841580
>There's a "White Men Can't Jump" videogame

fucking why?

>>3835056
Cybermorph is very blah

>>3844219
He's right though

Where did you learn to fly?

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>>3846436
Where did you learn to drill?

I got it when it came out and there are some good games. AvP, Tempest 2000, Iron Soldier, brutal sports football and good doom and wolfenstein ports. Iron Soldier 2 on CD is flat out amazing. Cybermorph is bland looking, but if you get into it, it's a good game. It's basically on the same level as 3do. 3do is slightly better due to third party support, but both have a handful of decent titles. 3do is chock full of bad ports as well and probably has worse control than the jag if that's even possible. People love to say 3do is way better because of SSF2T and samurai Shodown, but they are terrible ports, with awful controls.

>>3846551
>SSF2T 3DO
>awful

>>3846676
First off the controls have an odd lag, not to mention your control options are hitting start to switch from punches to kicks or using the shoulder buttons and the start button as your kicks.

Second the framerate is atrocious, the color flickers, there is slowdown on animated stages, plus why is it so blurry? It's like a fuzzy snes game.

Third it's missing shitloads of game animations, most notably all of zangiefs crouching attacks. The combos from the arcade are non existent. The voice samples are the worst compared to any other port of SF2. Akuma is even more broken than the arcade, able to throw an air fireball, connect, throw a second before hitting the ground that connects as well.

It's an all around terrible port, yet it's still considered a must have for the 3do. It really puts the 3do in perspective of how good the system was if its in the "great" games column.

It was doomed before it even launched, because the engineers fucked up one small aspect of the architecture that wound up severely hamstringing the potential performance.

If not for that one mistake, it would have been able to produce textured polygons on par with 3DO and maybe Saturn.

Leave it to Atari to fuck the system up before they even get it out the door

>>3846531
My dentist had one of those. I wonder if you can remove the cartridge.

>>3835514
>>3843603
this thing is legitimately the best console Atari ever released. It's a real shame it never caught on more. I think had they released the XEGS instead of the 7800 in 1986 the 80s might have turned out differently for Atari.

>>3846846
I wonder if you can play games with the thing to the right of it