What went wrong with Sonic's transition to 3D?

>>3755025
Nothing. Thread closed.

The platforming was either way too easy or way too buggy.

Super Mario 64 had the same issues, but the difference is Sonic's speed would end up getting you killed through no fault of your own.

Also, Big.

Those are just simple flaws. There's nothing "wrong" with the attempt to transition. If singular flaws was all it took then SM64 would've been heralded as a disaster.

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they should have kept the old style of sonic
instead of introducing the "modern looking world"
also remove the retarded story line

>>3755074
faggot.

The way Sonic controlled was absolutely fine, if anything it felt way closer to classic Sonic than any 3D game that came afterward, and that spindash was so deliciously spammable.

The problem is that the platforming was really shallow. They should have designed levels around the crazy physics where you can just rocket Sonic into the atmosphere if you time a jump just right when going up a hill after a spindash.

>>3755112
faggot.

I really enjoyed Sonic Adventure, and beat it 3 or 4 times.

>>3755025
Frankly speaking, it was good. They did everything pretty well. But the thing is, you just can't translate the same pinball/rollercoaster physics to 3D.

>>3755121

Sonic Utopia proves you wrong.

>>3755025
Shitty buttrock.
Terrible animations.
Less complex level design.
Wonkier, inferior gameplay.
Extra characters who sucked ass.

>>3755134
That tech demo?

I don't get why people cream themselves over it, it was fucking nothing. There was no structure, just a big thing full of nothing and some ramps.

But it has classic Sonic to be good right?

>>3755025
Is no one bored of discussing this already?

Speed vs Velocity

>>3755025
I liked Sonic Adventure. It's not a great game and has a lot of flaws, but I believe the game has a really fun and colorful mood that made it enjoyable.
Despite the shortcomings, you can tell there was excitement in Sega those days because they trusted the Dreamcast, and also, the Sonic Team travelled to different countries and tried to make an impressive game. If you see pictures and videos of the development, you perceive an optimistic vibe that I think lacked the rest of 3D Sonic games, specially Sonic Adventure 2 and 2006, which were all gritty, dark and boring.

Also, Sonic Adventure has the best music and the most memorable stages: Casinopolis, Twinkle Park, Speed Highway, Mystic Ruins, Red Mountain, etc.

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>>3755025
Bad plots and characters.

Sonic was overshadowed by his friends.

Rushed releases and Bugs. The japanese version of SA1 had to be released again (International Version) due to many bug complaints.

The games tried to be many things at the same time, adding some unnecessary gameplay mechanics like fishing.

etc.

>>3755134
On the contrary, it proves me right.

—"""3D""": it's just a straight road with a little bit of going left and right, which is just 2D Sonic in Space Harrier style.

—Cliffs: you run into the wall? It obstructs your whole view. Good luck seeing what's ahead.

—Shuttle loops: the camera still retardedly follows Sonic, obstructing your whole view, causing disorientation at best, vertigo at worst.

—Lack of old platforming elements: notice how there aren't many floating platforms and so on. Not a single moment of ol' pinballing all over the screen too. Everything looks like an open surface with some elevations.

This is not Sonic 3D. This is "Mario Bros first person view in HL2" tier of game design. They just took the old 2D levels and put them in 3D with no regard for camera and such issues.

It was pretty good at the time ,I loved it as a kid but it's unplayable now ,it's like babbies first video game

The redesign doesn't look bad on paper, very late 90s/2000-ish, very cool, but in-game his model looks very goofy.

>>3756139

>Unplayable

That's a little harsh, bro. It's playable, it's just glitchy and unrefined, like a lot of early 3D from the era. You can't really stand it next to Bubsy 3D or something.

Mind you it's partly SEGA's fault for releasing the game like 20 times and constantly reminding people how much it's aged by making zero improvements. The originally Dreamcast version is still the best and least glitchy, ironically.

>>3756162
The Gamecube version isn't actually more glitchy than the original, I think that's a myth perpetuated by Egoraptor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdbkX5RboFk

>>3755025

They should have pivoted development towards a fully realized Chao simulator and ditched Sonic entirely

>>3756186

Eh, I'm not really feeling his reasoning. Yeah skipping cutscenes and having hub maps is cool but it hardly makes up for the other things he outright says the DC has over it like 360 control and a better camera, not to mention the better lighting on DC which he surprisingly doesn't mention but is quite clear from the comparison videos. Hope his DC is okay though, that noise before every line seems peculiar.

>>3755025
I remember the first time I played this game. I hated the controls. Held forward to run, kept running into walls on the side, especially when the camera changes. Found it too frustrating to care, dropped it, and glad I did. I don't think could stand the rest of the game.

Played the second one. Powered through it. The Sonic sections weren't so bad, but the Tails/Robotnik stages were awful.I didn't mind the Knuckles/Rouge stages most of time.

>>3755025
>rushed development because SEGA fucking hates Sonic Team and always gives them like five days to make a game
>too easy/automated
>Big the Cat sucks
That's really all there is in terms of the actual gameplay, but I can go on and on about stuff like art-direction and story.
>redesigns were great except for Sonic himself, who was always drawn in the weirdest poses imaginable during the pre-2001 Modern era, but started being depicted normally after SA1
>best soundtrack in the entire series
>art-direction is nonexistent
>animation is worse than PaRappa the Rapper
>voice-acting is completely ridiculous
>story was interesting, but not executed very well
That's just some of what I have to say, but I'm really tired right now.

>>3756240
>360 control

I always thought the Gamecube controller worked better for SA, because it lets you go on a straight line easier, with 360 degrees you're more likely to fuck up your trajectory.

>Hope his DC is okay though, that noise before every line seems peculiar.
Have you ever owned a DC? It's a very noisy machine.

>>3757181

It's super noisy but I only ever got the loading a few times a cutscene. Then again I think I might be remembering my experience with a burned copy, as they often had less loading.

>>3756879

>art-direction is nonexistant

Correction, art-direction is "Ayyy let's use these photos we took on our holiday as the textures".

>side characters
No one wants to play as big, the robot, or Amy. They also fucked up knuckles. Searching for emeralds was a dumb chore.

>story
Didn't need some huge plot. Having the characters talk was also a bad idea. My favorite way of telling a story was the s3&k route where little quick cutscenes let you know what's going on.

>world
Didn't care for the open world. SA2 did it right where you just went from stage to stage.

Other that that I didn't mind it. Was it perfect? Hell no but I liked the Sonic stages and the graphics blew me away so I could forgive quite a bit back in the day.

Am I missing something here? I remember Sonic Adventure 1 getting 8's and 9's back in 1999.

>>3757307
>No one wants to play as the robot

Nigga what? His gameplay was the best after Sonic's, and he had the best story!

>>3757315
>His gameplay was the best after Sonic's, and he had the best story!
I actually agree with that but it felt out of place in a Sonic game to be playing as gun toting robot. I could see playing as Metal Sonic tho. That would be based af.

>>3757310

But bruh, my favourite e-celeb said 3D Sonic has always sucked so it must be true! What a piece of shit, just like Sonic Boom rite guise!

But seriously, it's like anything here, Criticism of the game started with "It hasn't aged too well" which became "3D Sonic was a mistake" which transitioned into "Sonic was never good". Welcome to /vr/.

>>3756186
>The Gamecube version isn't actually more glitchy than the original
Uh.. The GameCube version is missing tons of sounds, a bunch of animations, and has tons of messed up graphics.

>>3757473
Oh, also it's 60fps and with the shit engine this game had it probably made the input even more squirrely.

>>3755025
Is this the best sonic

>>3757473
Care to point out all these things you're talking about? It has better textures and models than the DC version.

>>3757708
It's certainly not. As long as the 16-bit ones exist.