Theres a reson retro gaming is better

>>3727983
>had corporate Sony never entered it ?
Elaborate, trip-kun

>>3727984
sony is a corporation that only cares about money. Not rocket geometry.

In an alternative timeline where the PS1 failed just like the 3DO and the CD-i, Nintendo and Sega would still dominate the console market with japanese style games, basically an extension of the 16-bit era.
Meanwhile western games are still kept at PC.
Microsoft would have focused on PC gaming, and Gabe Newell would have never left to fund Valve. We would still be getting big box PC games, and DLC wouldn't be a thing.

>>3727994
Also is Nintendo, Sega, and all others, wake up anon.

>>3727994
>[insert corporation] is a corporation which only cares about money.
ftfy

Also, it's rocket SURGERY you mook.

>>3728000
>Microsoft would have focused on PC gaming, and Gabe Newell would have never left to fund Valve. We would still be getting big box PC games, and DLC wouldn't be a thing.

What does all of this have to do with Sony? Steam probably would still be a thing, and DLCs and all that shit.

What could have not happened is the X-BOX

>>3728015
Microsoft doesn't jump ship on console market after seeing PS1 success -> Microsoft keeps properly supporting PC gaming -> newell stays at Microsoft.

as for DLCs not existing, that's just my vision of this ideal alternate scenario, companies would be compelled to ship complete games and sell them physically.

>>3728021
What about >>3727994 makes you think he is a Nintendo fanboy?

You are being too naive.
Even without sony, we still would be in the same situation.
Sega was already killing itself with useless hardware.
Nintendo already planted the seeds of casualization during the snes era.
The only difference would be not having a playstation brand, but enlarging the market was inevitable.

>>3728029
The fact he (and you) is clearly the OP?

>>3727994
>>3728007
>>3728013
>>3728015
>>3728021
>>3728029
Nintendo, Sega are all Gaming companies. Sony is a conglomerate souless corporation.

>>3728039
>(and you)
Not really.

>the OP
What about the OP makes you think he is a Nintendo fanboy?

Also

>PS1 greatest console ever created
I don't know if OP is a Nintendo fanboy, but you are one big triggered Sonygger.
Faulty disc drive that made you put the console upside-down in order to work, shittiest d-pad in existence, laughable parkinson textures and perspective correction that seem like the drawings of a 3 year old doesn't seem "greatest" at all to me. Yeah, it does have a couple good JRPGs, though. And Metal Gear Solid I guess.

>>3728000
>>3728015
>>3728020

While I want to agree to some extent, I think it is rather naïve to think that DLC would have never entered the equation once online gaming became a thing. At most, it would have been held off maybe one more generation.

But yeah, I think overall that Microsoft's entry into the console gaming market ultimately offers nothing of value to the hobby as a whole. This is coming from someone who owned pretty much every console that existed up to and including 6th gen. So I certainly had an Xbox. I only used it to play Mech Assault and Halo, two games which really were just PC ports anyway.

>>3728048
Excellent denial reality.

>>3727994
Anon, do you understand what "elaborate" means?

>>3728059
What about that post is "denial"?

>>3728056
if you can't see microsoft and sony as the same fucking souless corporations that don't offer anything to gaming, you're a giant sonygger.

Sony has done nothing but get lucky.

>>3728074
Ok. Enjoy your leftist view of the world which has no room for the fact that almost everything that ultimately benefits humanity was originally conceived and produced exclusively for profit.

>>3728089
Are you mentally retarded?

>>3728089
What the shit. So you're saying that everyone but sony is bad?

Christ. how did sony conjure up such a cult anyway? This mentality is almost exactly the same as apple fags.

>>3728074
>Nintendo, Sega
>Not souless corporations
This guy

everything would be way better without sony killing gaming. Even today, everything wrong with gaming can be traced back to sony. Sony is the fucking worst thing to happen to video games. PERIOD.

The most cancerous fans. All those fucking youtubers, all of them are sonyggers.
The death of all those small Jap studios when they couldn't afford ps3 development. The end of creativity in the industry. All of this rooted back to sony and their shady deals.

They are a cancer to the industry. An industry that should be dead but lingers on because of retarded consumers.

>>3728098
The post wasn't even defending Sony, but rather capitalism in general. Holy shit, dudes. I'm out.

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>>3728108
Nintendo and Sega were video game companies. That's a huge difference.

Look at sony in the same light that you see Microsoft. Because they are exactly the same. Two giants that only got into gaming once it was profitable and a rising industry. They both aren't solely video game companies.

Movie and music profits were dropping like a stone at the time. It was inevitable that money was going to shift into the other, as yet mostly untapped, media sector; video games.

Rather Sony than Murdoch, right guys?

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and some boobs

>"m-muh sony, m-muh nintendo, m-muh sega"
>having a favourite corporation at all

is this a popular thing in clapistan or something?

This is why I wished the world nuked itself.

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>>3728115
Fuck off SONY pleb shit do it right or don't do it at all

I'm glad Sony kicked Nintendo's teeth in, Sega was already on life support and they just pulled the plug. Nintendo and their fans are too full of themselves, they need a good kick in the ass.

Looks like they still haven't learned their lesson with the Switch, I guess they really do wanna end up being a 3rd party developer for PlayStation.

>>3728153
go back to neogaf sony pajeet.

>>3728153
As bad as Nintendo absurd last few systems have been it's not like their electronics division is doing any better.
What they did to American and European manufacturers is now happening to them due to Chinks and Gooks.

>>3728153
Yeah, I love how Sony kicked Nintendo's teeth, boy I'm glad Nintendo went out of business!
Also totally agree about the Switch lol who's gonna buy that shit? can't wait until Sony releases the Vita TV 2 to show how it's done.

>>3728160
I love how you individually reply to each post that isn't sucking nintendo dick, you autistic little dick sucker. Do you keep a tally of how many times you have white knighted nintendo? You are such a fucking homosexual LOL

>>3728167
Just how assblasted are you right now? I can legit feel your anger through your posts holy shit I'm actually laughing.

>>3728170
I love how you're triggered because you're not wanted here sony pajeet :)

nice autism you got there nigger.

>>3728167
Nintendo isn't HALF of what it used to be, you underaged cum slurper. I think you need to go back to /v/.

>>3728153
typical sony coon tactict.

Derail a thread with consolewar bait.

PATHETIC

>>3728174
Let's look at how assblasted this makes you.

>PS1 was better than N64

>PS2 curbstomped the Gamecube

>The Wii cannot even be compared to the PS3, you have to compare it to a fisher price toy

>Don't even get me started on the Wii U.

And Switch will be the final nail the in the coffin.

Sony ALWAYS wins BABY.

>>3728181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI


this looks fun as fuck. Idk why you have to be so anti-fun.

>>3728173
But I'm agreeing with you, sonybro!

>>3728181
I agree, Nintendo is doomed.

>back to /v/

/v/ is shit, I'm from NeoGAF.

>>3728187
23 million .

Can we allow Switch discussion on /vr/ ?
It's basically return to REAL gaming. Before sony casualized it.

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>OP makes an anti-Sony thread
>immediately, the resident Sony fanboy crossposters from /v/ and gaf start deflecting against "Nintendrone" boogeymen

Just admit you're still mad that you haven't got Bayonetta, sony boys.

t. idort master race, PS4 is shit though.

Big bad sony is gonna take your poogeymans away!!!

>>3728187
''I need you like bacon needs eggs.''

Huh, makes you think.

>>3728041
Yup

Gaming would've gone to shit regardless of who dominated.

The people who shit talk Sony are the same people who go any buy Amiboos are whatever the fuck they are called.

You are all fucking retarded and all need a bullet between the eyes.

Nintendo and Microsoft kill Sega anyways.
Xbox line ends up being the only consoles pushing graphics further, so they end up selling twice as much. Nintendo dies as a result (Or they drop whatever they're doing and start making generic modern consoles, abandoning all their most beloved IPs in the process because they're too kiddy).
In any case gaming dies even harder than in our timeline.

>>3728193
ps4 is pretty shit honestly.

Here's my one and only reason why.


You have to instal games now. Not only install 40+gig games, but DOWNLOAD 20 GIG PATCHES FOR EVERYTHING.

Consoles only come with 500g-1tb Drives.

If you really do the math, that's like 6 games for a 500gb console.

You might as well just fucking play on PC if you want to deal with that shit. it's cheaper and you can play with better graphics and framerates.

ALSO

>PAYING FOR ONLINE

>>3728202
>the only people who are allowed to shit talk Sony are Nintendo fanboys

Just how delusional can you be? Why are Sony fanboys so obsessed with the Nintendo boogeyman?

I was mostly PC+Sega all my life, and I shit talk Sony all the time. PS1 was a shit console, bad at 3D, bad at 2D, only marketing made it success, and tools like you who worship a corporation.

>>3728202
>he doesn't own amoobos

they're everything I've wanted since I was 10. This is /vr/, you realize that?

looks like the sonygger went to neogaf to contact a jannie.

>>3728203

Microsoft didn't have plans to jump in as long as Dreamcast was around, which they actually supported anyways through the windows CE deal.

>>3727983
>What would be of modern gaming?!!
>No cinematic cutscenes
>Inb4 muh fmv, that wasn't cinematic and I'm talking about in game engine.
If it weren't for ps1, we'd either have no cinematic cutscenes or fmv shit, imagine playing the new battlefield game and there are real human actors doing the story. Shit 100%
With cinematic cutscenes also comes:
>A deep(er) narrative
Examples:

MGS: begins with giving a simple generic task, rescue some guy
>Slowly becomes more deep
>Love interest, humanizing bosses after defeating them (sniper wolf made my eyes water and I'm sure many others too), friendship, seeing how characters, react and tall with each other in the codex gives them all personality.
>Even the fucking save girl had more personality than fucking peach.
Vs.
SUUPA MARIO 64!!!
>Save the princess
>That's it

Goldeneye
>Copied plot in text form of the movie
>Watered down though

Silent hill, psychological horror / Resident Evil
>Simple mission: find your daughter/escape the mansion
>Shit, monsters!
>Oh fuck, Puzzles!
>It's better to conserve ammo and run than to shoot oh fuck that literally hasnt been done before
>first enemy encounter is shocking in both games (pterodactyl flies through the window crashing/iconic zombie turning around)
>Voice acting (SH was ok, RE was cheesy but honestly I think that's the feel they were going for, like a B movie)
Vs
Well, really nothing like that on the 64.
Gg

>>3728000
>Microsoft would have focused on PC gaming
OH BOY! if it weren't for the ps1, we'd all be playing shit using Games For Windows Live v5.7!!!! Thanks ps1 :)
>People who say DLC would never exist
Whoever says this is fucking retarded. Dlc has almost always existed, they were just called expansion packs.
>B- but dlc isnt expansion packs its not the same!!!
Let's see:
Adds more levels - both
Adds new items / weapons - both
Adds new story - both

Dlc has always existed, they just changed the name once you could download shit instead of having to drive to the store and pay 40$ for a CD, increased cost because of CD and packaging.

>>3728842
damn bro you're really sucking MGS dick this hard while simultaneously hating on based Mario 64 and Goldeneye?

>>3727983
>retro gaming is better
Eh, not really.

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>>3727983
A little better.

3do would have stayed around a bit.

The N64 disk add on would have probably taken off.

The PCFX would have likely made it across the pond, and would have been a significant pusher of cinematic style games. Or maybe it would have actually had new hardware.

FF7 and 8 would have still been very much the same on the Saturn. They just would have been FF8 and FF9. The Saturn in general would be bigger. And of course, that would mean the path would have been clearer for the dreamcast, which likely would have been released a year later, and a bit less spartan, maybe even with a DVD drive. 10cm DVDs maybe?

Dual minijoystick pads wouldn't have ploughed in the same way. That means, a bit more room for tilt pads and single minijoystick pads with throttle. Also, an extra joystick or two, and maybe an extra mini steering wheel.

>the playstation is way better than the no-games-64! It's got a immense library full of hidden gems and classics made by a myriad of different publishers, as opposed to Nintendo, Rare and no one else

oh okay so what are you favourite games then?

>Metal gear solid, Symphony of the night, FFVII and Crash bandicoot

>>3728048
The disc drive and affine texture mapping only helped the system though, you donut. The disc allowed developers to cheaply distribute games and widely advertise their games via disc demos that were given away in magazines for free. This was a major reason why everyone and their grandma developed for the ps1 instead of the n64.

The affine texture mapping was overall a good decision because it was both very easy for developers to code for and less hardware demanding than other forms of texture mapping, it can be argued that affine mapping alone prolonged the lifespan of the PS1 and allowed it to compete with hardware released 2 whole years after the PS1 launched.

The quality of the controller is subjective, but i find it a lot better than the n64 controller.

>>3728186
So, do you have a share in the company?

>>3729345
he's clearly making smart investments considering sony platforms always do end up being the best. Not to say others aren't worth owning, but Nintendo since the n64 has been pretty weak.

>>3728089
Slow it down, Turbo.
There's no reason to bring God's Good Socialism into this shitfest.

>>3728861
How many modern games do you see with elements from ps1 games? Basically all of them. Cinematic stuff, voice acting, deep story.
How many horror games take elements from resident evil? Alot.
How many 3d platformers are there recently?

>>3729203
What are your favorite games?
>Super Mario 64, Mario kart, Mario party, legend of Zelda oot, legend of Zelda majors mask

>>3729472
>smart investments
>in a company that keeps having bigger and bigger looses each year
>90 percent profit loss in 2016
>smart investments

sonygger.

This is sort of like the Red Alert scenario. Get rid of Hitler and Stalin becomes more powerful.

Without Sony, Sega and Nintendo would have continued to tailor gaming to Japanese audiences.

Enter Microsoft and the Xbox, which would have enjoyed much more success in the US and Europe (assuming it was priced sensibly).

Essentially, you'll be supplanting one evil company for another. Microsoft's DRM-One box would have faced little resistance considering how tone deaf Nintendo and Sega would become in the '00s and '10s.

Console gamers wouldn't have much of a choice. But fuck, it would have been nice for Dreamcast to win its respective generation.

>>3729593
the xbox one got rid of the DRM before it was even launched. You're really out of the loop, aren't you? That and the original Xbox's library was like, half Japanese.

>>3728056
>But yeah, I think overall that Microsoft's entry into the console gaming market ultimately offers nothing of value to the hobby as a whole.
I would disagree with you highly there, Microsoft certainly did bring value to the hobby of video games with their unified online system which has no contemporary even today. One could argue Steam is close but it doesn't streamline the socialization aspect of it quite like Xbox Live did.

The original Xbox also pioneered the usage of hard drives in consoles. Which for better or worse is the norm now.

>>3728217
I liked toys when I was 10 too, but now I'm a grown up.

You are literally a /v/irgin autist that plays with figures or a scumbag collector, or both.

>>3728212
SEGA fanboys are even worse than Nintendrones sometimes, I love most SEGA consoles but the Saturn was a piece of shit unless you are a JRPG fag.

Sure, it also has good arcade ports, but you don't live only from shumps, I'll take the PS1 anyday that still has a good catalogue of shumps and also good stuff in all other genres.

Besides, the PS1 might be bad at 3D, but the the Saturn was even worse.

>muh NIGHTS

Most overrated cult game in history, it's almost as disgusting as Spyro, they didn't even had the decency of making a Sonic game, if the console was too weak for 3D they could have made a HELL of a good new 2D Sonic in that system, but not even that. Or bring some of the best IPs in Megadrive (Vectorman, Ristar, etc), its just a boring system, I'm so glad I got a Megadrive instead.

>>3728854
>Whoever says this is fucking retarded. Dlc has almost always existed, they were just called expansion packs.

Is not even close to the same, very often this days the game is unfinished and they sell you DLCs to complete the game, or even worse, they SELL you skins, or even power ups/weapons and shit.

Expansion packs were quite often free, and even when not, it was a real expansion of an already complete game, practically a sequel in the same engine, all small shit like skins or weapons if added later were free, selling that stuff its just the most degenerate thing ever.

Let's see, Sony just scraps the cd system they were working on with Nintendo...

Sega gets a leg up as a matter of actually having decently sized storage media, Saturn and Dreamcast do better. Microsoft still enters the game because they see the opportunity. The only thing in question is whether or not Sega would still shit the bed and manage to put out a 7th/8th gen console.

>>3728074
Sony has the only good library of RPGs, dude.

>>3729715
SEGA would have made a shitty dreamcast since the Saturn wouldn't have failed as much as it did.
The Dreamcast was awesome because it introduced everything we've got with the ps360 (I could count the Xbox but I won't, because) with real online playability and communication. In this world, the dreamcast would have probably be another GameCube or ps2: new graphics but nothing else. Depending of when Microsoft enter the ring it would sell good or OK.
The dreamcast's equivalent would have been with the next generation against the Wii and the x360.

Anyway Sega would be in trouble at this time: they probably didn't bought Football Manager's developer or Total War's since they wouldn't have to expand their revenue sources. And they'd probably give another try against Nintendo with some Dream gear.

>>3729847
Yeah, sega's own ineptitude is the wildcard in that situation.

>>3728118
>They both aren't solely video game companies.
Neither was Magnavox.

>>3728842
Kek.
So you think that cinematic wouldn't be a thing without you're beloved ps1?
You look like any random fag growing with only Sony consoles.

You can't even compare stuff to anything else than Mario, is this the only thing you know about Nintendo?

Maybe it has be done first on the ps1 (I won't check) but hey, without ps1 it would have developed anyway. Just look at Sega's Shenmue, masterpiece.

I love the PSX, but despise Sony for what they've done to the gaming industry.

>>3729887
Ineptitude is not the right word. It's just that, unlike Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft, they don't have as much financial power (Nintendo from the NES and the Gameboy, Sony and Microsoft for electronics and software) so it's basically "swim or sink". With the Saturn, they underestimate Sony but it was also the first time where they had some financial resources. Even with the result that we know for the Saturn, the Dreamcast could and should have generated enough income, but Sony used its marketing power to definitely sink Sega.
Without the GB and GBA it probably would have been the same for Nintendo after the GameCube.

>>3728284
Microsoft was in the planning stages of a console since the 90s and the system was planning to ship regardless of what happened. You don't enter hardware production months before the competition announces their cessation of production if you're not entering it regardless.

>>3729586
are you retarded or something?

>>3729847
you have a really dumb perception of how the industry works and your argument is just retarded. The dreamcast was a natural evolution of many things introduced on the saturn and even the genesis. Most of it was just integrating it into base hardware.

>>3729985
More details please, I never said that Dreamcast wasn't a natural evolution, just that it wouldn't have integrated it that soon.
Online gaming only started to be popular on pc. Warcraft 3 wasn't a thing, Diablo 2 and Starcraft were new, Quake 3 too, UT too. Online gaming was more a niche thing than the norm. Including a modem and a service like Sega did was really new. If the Saturn would have sold more they wouldn't have to be so ahead of their time for their next console. Just look the PS2 or the GC who were released later, only one had some online possibility if you bought the modem that wasn't even sold in most European countries.

>>3729963
>but despise Sony for what they've done to the gaming industry
Giving more creative control over to third-parties after years of the latter suffering under neglect and near-draconian policies courtesy of Nintendo? Also properly handling CDs by introducing a more streamlined production process that was not only financially beneficial for Sony, but for the developers they've worked with as well?

>>3728120
Considering what Sony did to MJ, I'm not sure that comparison is any better at all.

>>3728854
I don't agree with this. Expansion packs tended to be far more expansive than your typical DLC pack is in modern times. I do agree that Ex-Packs were probably a precursor, but you definitely got more content with an ExPack than DLC. Matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that DLC is an ExPack, thinly sliced, then sold piece by piece.

>>3729203
Honestly, all those games with the exception of Crash, got ports or would have been developed for another platform, if the PS hadn't existed. Heck, it's possible for Crash as well.

>>3729968
Honestly, though, Sony didn't HAVE to use their marketing power. DVD playback functionality won them Japan, then eventually won them North America as well. Most sane people weren't trying to spend a metric fuck ton of money on a DVD player back then, so it made sense to get something dual purpose.

It's what made my PS2 purchase decision for me. Heck, it's what made all my friends' and family's console upgrade purchasing decisions for them as well.

>>3730050
True, but they did in most countries, the Dreamcast sold well until early 2000, then the sales dropped even though the ps2 wasn't available. Even with an entire year, a low price, online capability and service, Sega couldn't sell 10M units of it.
In France, most people didn't care about the DVD capability of the ps2, it was mostly sold because of the hypothetical power (you can control a missile! Games will be as beautiful as Toy story! I fall for these lies back then) and, of course, it's a new Playstation, the console that everyone wanted. Before the ps2, I wouldn't even be able to tell you that I saw some ads on TV for video game.

>>3729554
are you mentally retarded? How can you completely miss the point of that post so badly?

>>3729629
They only got rid of it because

a) the backlash from x-cock fans
b) Sony's 180 on their DRM stance

Sony was also going to have DRM policies similar to the Xbox one but xbox made the first move and suffered heavily for it, so sony took advantage of it and said flipped on their policies at the last minute to say: "our game system won't spy on you while you jerk off!" and everyone loved them for it, putting microsoft in an even worse position then they were already in.

Your own console gets severe backlash and then your main competitor comes out saying they have a console that does the opposite of what people hate your console for then you're system is going to sell pretty abysmally, so xbox was forced in a way to remove the DRM policies thanks to Sony.

I'm not saying that Sony and Microsoft make good 8th gen consoles but if it weren't for Sony the xbox one would have to collect a blood sample, credit card number, family lineage information and social security information before you were allowed to use it

>>3728036

>Go home. You're drunk.

>>3730684
we're both arguing about consoles from pre 1999.
im preeetty sure we both have some degree of autism