The retro bubble won't pop

It may not burst, but it will slowly decline until it bottoms out in about 15-30 years, depending on the economy and other factors.

It is not an artificial bubble. People really do enjoy these old games and want to own and play the games. There is a high demand for the good games that will never go away while those people are alive and healthy.
If you want a game, buy it now. The prices are not gonna get cheaper because of inflation and increasing rarity. Even when noone want these games anymore, they will be antique and rare to find in any good condition.

>>3718281
how much were the loose and boxed copies in that picture?
set or seperate pricing?

>>3718281
I don't know why anyone fucking buys games when they could just fund development of 100% perfectly accurate everdrives so that everyone would be able to play the games, and autistic hoarders would still get to own the carts.

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>>3718281
>colour
must be the unnecessary "u" driving up the price

>>3718537
LMAOOOO DUDE EUROFAGS

>>3718281
>>3718330

Yeah, good idea. Let's make it a self-fulfilling prophecy so we can make sure that everything will become even more expensive than it already is because you believe prices are gonna raise.

Could you guys tell me who paid you to write this nonsense? It's gotta be a lot, right?

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>mfw bit rot starts affecting idiots who are paying $20 for fucking ice climbers

I think their will be a price correction, not a bubble and it will be unique to each and every game.

I've seen the same Little Samson get flipped three times each with an increasing price, its fucking retarded.

Also keep in mind, hype affects a lot of these prices.

I'll be over here with my flash carts and mod chips simply not caring.

>>3718281
That's over 100$ for a used Wii?
Jesus Christ, when did everything increased that much up in Japan?

>>3718281
Thanks for the info. What about the stuff that is not import-friendly, like text-heavy games in Japanese, dating sims, and such?

>>3718537
EL OUL EL

>>3718335
I didn't take that picture, but all Book Offs price games separately it seems.

>>3718704
I'm mostly concerned about peripherals, that's why I have only purchased controllers and some memory cards for various systems on this trip. I have multiple everdrives, a Rhea and a GDEMU. Stop being an idiot.

>>3718810
Wiis are actually the cheapest things I have seen here. One with no cables is 950~ yen.

>>3718818
There seems to be a lot of shops that specialise in Japanese PC games, and most game stores seem to have a section dedicated to them. I don't have much experience with them personally, but I'll take a look if I get another chance before I leave Tokyo.

>>3719000
>Wiis are actually the cheapest things I have seen here. One with no cables is 950~ yen.

It says 12000 on the picture though. How expensive are the good dreamcast games?

>>3719034
I'm assuming that photo is at least several years old judging off some of the other prices advertised. Sorry, it was a pretty poor picture to start a thread with. I'll take some photos myself and post them to this thread when I go back to Tokyo in a couple of days.

Is there anything you (or anyone else) would like me to try and find and get a price check on while I am over here? It will mostly be from shops in the Akihabara area which is already a little inflated due to it being a popular tourist destination for people into this kind of stuff.

>>3718281
Let me guess, you're in Akihabara.

I live in Japan, and visited Akiba recently during Comiket. I was absolutely shocked at the prices as well, because they're several times higher than the game stores literally everywhere else in Japan. They're jacking up their prices to insane levels precisely because of people like you.

Leave the tourist traps and you'll find the rest of the country still mostly untouched by the bubble.

>>3719063
How much are Famicom Disk System ram adapters? They're so cheap on Amazon Japan but they don't ship to the US.

>>3719065
I hope that's true, but unless Kyoto and Hiroshima are exactly the same as Akihabara, I am not finding that to be the case. In fact, Playstation and N64 stuff actually seems to be scarcer and even more expensive in Book Offs and other secondhand shops in those cities compared to the stuff I found in Tokyo.

Can you recommend some other stores I should check out while I am in the country?

>>3719081
Kyoto is bad, too, though not quite as silly as Akiba last time I was there which was admittedly a while ago. Don't know about Hiroshima.

Shit's cheap as dirt where I live. I think the most I've ever paid for an N64 game was 1800 yen for Tsumi to Batsu. Most are in the 200-700 yen range. You also mentioned Gameboy Colors, which I can get for a couple hundred yen for rough ones, 2000 yen for a really nice one. I picked up a Famicom 30th Anniversary GBA SP in flawless condition for 4500 a while back. I don't pay much attention to PS1 games, but I've picked up a few and never paid more than 500 yen.

So no, the bubble doesn't really exist here in my experience.

I have a hypothesis that retro games are fairly valuable as a hobby precisely because they can be so short. You can 100% a game like Mega Man X in under 2 hours, which is much more tolerable than current games filled with hours of cinematics and gameplay where you will spend 3 hours just getting past the intro.

I don't see it as so much of a bubble as genuine copies of good games commanding a premium with the "catch 'em all" mentality of collecting.

>>3719107
Actually, I'll rephrase that. The bubble doesn't exist for the same systems it does in the west. Mega Drive games are stupid expensive here, because the Mega Drive was a massive flop in Japan. PC Engine games aren't too bad, but the consoles themselves are very expensive these days because the build quality was shit and most of them are dead by now.

Also,
>Famicom 30th Anniversary
I meant 20th Anniversary obviously.

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>>3718537

>>3718387
Well, in Japan flash carts are illegal. Original carts or emulation are the only options.

>>3718281
Retro anything is only popular as long as the audience whose nostalgia is associated with it is still at an age where they'll be interested.
"Retro games" will always have value, but what "retro games" means will change as time goes by.
NES is currently the oldest thing anyone's interested in. Years ago it was all about Atari and retro-PC. In time the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube gen will be the back end of "retro". Time keeps on slippin'.

>>3719128
If they are illegal nobody cares about the law. There are 2 everdrive resellers in Japan. Every wave piracy for each console when it was current gen was well represented in Japan. It's not like you couldn't find a shop to sell you a R4 or downgrade your PS3.

>>3719232
>There are 2 everdrive resellers in Japan.
There were. They're sold out and won't be getting any new stock. The R4 resellers are all but extinct as well since they've been cracking down recently. Your only hope now is ordering one from overseas and hoping customs doesn't catch it.

>>3719242
Just checked and they both say they have stock.

>>3719248
Nope. March Rabbit is sold out and Akishop only has the shells.

>>3719256
March Rabbit lets me add both the GB and N64 version to the cart. Akishop actually has the NES PCB in stock but not the shells for that and only has shells for the FC version.

>>3719265
>March Rabbit lets me add both the GB and N64 version to the cart.
That's because you can't read Japanese so you didn't notice that you're just telling them to add you to the waiting list. They don't have any stock and haven't for a long time.

>Akishop actually has the NES PCB in stock but not the shells for that and only has shells for the FC version.
Fair enough, I didn't check NES because that doesn't do most people in Japan any good.

>>3719271
I'd also assume that a lack of the R4 type stuff being around would be due to the pressures of the market. Kinda hard to sell a Gateway or Sky3DS when there are exploits that don't cost anything or use a cheap/common title. Besides Wii U there's not any action on non portable current gen consoles. Hard to make money in that kind of environment.

>>3719162
It's certainly true that people don't care about computer games older than 1990s. People are throwing out functioning floppy games and retro PCs because they don't want to play them. It's a good time to be into DOS games.

>>3719278
Could be. But I'm betting a bigger reason is the recent police busts at Akiba shops selling the things following Nintendo's big lawsuit last year.

>>3719115
Is there much of an import market in Japan? Do they bother importing anything from the west that's cheap the way people over here are importing scores of famicom and super famicom stuff just because it's cheaper? I remember seeing an anon post some pictures (presumably from Akiba) with some Atari 2600 stuff but that was all crazy expensive.

>>3720676
Yeah, Atari (and other gen 1 and 2 consoles) and Mega Drive stuff is frequently imported for that reason. It's less of a thing here, though, simply because most of the time retro games are much cheaper in Japan.

You also see a lot of imports of games that were never officially released here, or were censored for the Japanese market (mainly newer shooters, GTA, etc.). It's actually not too unusual to see American games and consoles alongside Japanese market stuff in secondhand stores. In particular, apart from eroge, PC games are mostly just American imports.

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>tfw bought a working pong arcade machine with first edition knobs, coinbox, original schematics, and backboard for $3k a year and a half ago
>see a broken second edition one go for $6k on ebay

I'm glad my hobby is now an investment
But seriously fuck resellers I used to get all sorts of old vidya games for cheap. Get out of my hobby faggots

>>3720706
That's interesting. I knew that japanese stores specializing in American/Euro imports were a thing but I didn't realize it was at all common. Makes me wonder if there are also Western online dealers who specifically target the Japanese market like there are Japanese sellers who sell to Americans. I would think the cheap stuff would get passed between the countries pretty easily.

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>>3718281
>Tfw missed the Neo Geo AES train

Imagine having bought all these games back when they were under 100$ each

>>3718281
Yes, the tourist traps have really discovered how lazy and stupid people can be the last few years. I bought a few GBCs for ¥2500 earlier this year. One was CIB, two were in perfect condition but loose, and once had a bit of wear. So about $20 for four of what you're finding for $70 each in super potato You might be doing it wrong.

>>3718387
>I don't know
You could have stopped there.

>>3719034
Maybe it's a retro picture? I can confirm that a Wii with a bag full of cables, controllers and shit goes for ¥1k or less. If you get it in a flea market it may even have a free disc inside that they forgot to remove when they threw it out.

>>3718281
I don't know why people think there is a retro bubble.

Supply for these are going to steadily diminish as the items break and more and more collectors buy them up. I think it's just wishful thinking.

how much do PCE games go for over there? Like an average price range? (in burgerbux)

>>3722735
Everyone always blames the yuppies who now have money and want to "revisit their childhood," but in reality, it's nerd/geek culture and retro fetishism that is the main reason why old games are going up in price.

good you faggots should start having kids instead of buying toys

>>3722853
And be forced to share my toys with my kids? Not happening.

>>3722853
Why? If anything breeding should be discouraged. Especially for the people on this board.

>>3718281
>I'm currently on holiday in Japan, and I can't believe how much retro game prices have increased here in the last couple of years.
You're an idiot, Japan has been cleaned out. Stop spending money on carts and just emulate/get a flash cart

you'll save time and stress

>>3722915
In Japanese countryside right now, not OP.

>Like new Famicom GBA SP boxed for $15
>SA-1 and SuperFX games like Yoshi's Island and Dreamland 3 for $4 each
>PSX controllers for $5 each
>Four Saturn controllers for $10
>Lots of not retro bargains like Club Nintendo Gamecube controllers for $25 each

You're the idiot it seems, bucko. Enjoy being poor and stupid.

Also I have more Everdrives than you too.

>>3722946
>You're the idiot it seems, bucko. Enjoy being poor and stupid.
kek

I may be poor but that's literally the only thing you got on me. if anyone's stupid it's probably both of us for still being interested in such a time consuming habit

>>3718281

Gotta know where to shop. Instead of going to the Book Off in Akihabara, go to the one in Iidabashi or Ikebukuro. Both are near stations and easy to get to. The vendors in Akihabara know tourist Otaku are going to show up and be happy to buy their stuff. Go to the ones further out. Ikebukuro is very nice because it's mostly just Japanese Otaku that shop there and the prices are a lot better. Not as many shops, but still pretty reasonably priced compared to Akihabara.

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>super potato

>>3722915
Says the baby parrot who's never been to Japan.

>>3722946
Sounds about right. Flea markets are even cheaper.

>>3722967
>Ikebukuro
Nah. OP should stick to Akihabara with the rest of the tourists. There's no need for him to come shit up my town.

>>3724147
Everyone already knows about Ikebukuro because of IWGP.

dude last month i bought a game boy color and a game boy pocket off of amazon for abot 30 bucks apeice

>>3718281

Hey was just noticing the seemingly Large amount of Amiga and PC-98 and other retro high-spec games that were made (pretty much before the days of Doom)...

WHY

Back then the only computers that could run this stuff were specialty, often designed for tv/movie/post production work . . . what used to be called Workstations priced at $10 Grand or higher.

Presumably the Games would be rather expensive too and these being Work Computers I cant see there would be a big market for people to get games specifically made for them.

The games have alot of effort, art, and innovation put into them for their time. That means money.

My only other guess would be rich dudes owning workstations (like the one in the mission from La Femme Nikita involving the Cleaner).

But even then the market couldnt have been big...


I remember seeing some games made into Arcade machines (Pang I wanted to play more than I got the chance to). But that must have been an aftermarket thing for them.

>>3724158
>IWGP were retro buying guides
Sounds like you might have been dropped on your head as a baby.

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>>3718281
Big talk, with small basis.

We could make it pop, if we had the will. These retro systems are not very complex machines by modern standards. All it needs is progressive ironing out of the wrinkles.

Like for example making a PC output 240p. Or making an N64 or Saturn output VGA.

Or, take the DOS version of Megaman X, the only thing wrong with it is the music.

>>3722865
OW THE EDGE

>>3726464

The value comes from the physical hardware. Period. There are tons of solutions out there already to play any game you want any time, archive.org lets you play in your browser, emulators let you play on your desktop, flash carts let you play on your console, virtual console lets you play on your HDTV, Nintendo released NES mini.... nothing is stopping people from wanting to buy original hardware.

>>3726501
Deterioration can stop them. When the controllers start being plainly damaged, that won't be very fun for people hanging on to whatever original hardware is at hand.

Also, inevitable proliferation of fakes will push towards stopping them.

So will laggy LCD TVs with lousy analog conversion.

>>3726561

N64 is the only console with a controller that deteriorates and even then there are multiple options to bring it back. Fakes are not hard to spot if you are buying in used condition and not some autist who only buys mint condition complete in box. Finally, CRT TV's are still cheap as fuck.

>>3726561
That assumes that people will still be buying retro shit with the intention of actually using it. That's not necessarily true.

If retrogaming goes the way of antiques, which is only a matter of time, people will be buying them simply as fetishized objects, not as products with any inherent usefulness.

My parents used to collect colonial American butter churns and coffee grinders. It's not like they ever actually used them.

In another 20 years, people will be buying absurdly overpriced NES cartridges and accessories just so they can admire their shelf of absurdly overpriced NES cartridges and accessories. Playing the games becomes irrelevant, just like how comic book collectors keep their oh-so-valuable shit in vacuum-sealed bags, never to be read again.

Either that, or it will all become landfill when the NES generation starts dying off en masse in another 35 years.

>>3726629

>I plan on waiting 35 years to buy my retro game collection, that way I can enjoy my retro games on the cheap and not pay such high prices like only idiots would be doing in 2017

>>3726639
Dude, you'd be almost 50 by then.

Youtubers killed retro gaming. And by killed I mean they turned a niche japanese market into a mainstream free for all. It used to be much more of a hush small community. Fuck you pete dorr and fags.

>>3727098
Actually jewtubers created retro gaming. Until then it was just called playing old games. Ironic that the greatest achievements of a generation that rabidly objects to people appropriating things have been to appropriate words like retro.

>>3726501
>The value comes from the physical hardware. Period.

But physical hardware can be made. That's a very limited hurdle.

>>3728804

No you can't make a stamped official Nintendo PCB. They already make imitation carts and imitation systems with new parts. Hasn't done anything to prices.

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>>3728905
Damn, you're so fixated on nintendo, you don't even care if you're generally wrong, you just hope to direct everyone at pretentious stupidly high hanging fruit!

All sorts of arcade manufacturers, any of which could conceivably remake their old platforms? Dismissed!

Systems like 3do, with not even just one manufacturer, thus way more open to being reproduced? So what!

New improved retro systems already being made? Nope, doesn't count!

A foreign arm of Sega remaking their main console? Meaningless!

>>3728981

Yes literally all of those things you mentioned are meaningless. Modern re-makes are not collectible, they are hype machines which will eventually end up in landfills. We are past the age of quality, we live in a world of planned obsolescence and "value engineering". It's not a pretentious high hanging fruit to say that the quality of console systems from the 90's will never ever be met again, forever, because it won't.

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>>3718708
>mfw your skull will rot before Ice Climbers

>>3729030
You're just repeating that everything else is worse than nintendo and doesn't matter.

If people are so fixated on collectibles, then repros infiltrating the supply are due to seriously fuck with the desire for such hardware. Facilitating shifts away towards other platforms.

>>3728981
>"nintendrone"
>browsing PS3 games

>>3719034
I was in animeland in October and most Book Offs I went to had piles of Wii's for anywhere from 900 yen to 2500 yen, depending on condition and accessories. that photograph is probably fucking old, I have never seen a Book Off with that much stock since like 2010.

>>3727098
Retro is still a niche hobby.

>>3722829
This.

Also, anyone else noticing that the flow of good retro games is starting to run a bit dry? I took a break from hunting last year, and started up again recently just to pick up random shit that catches my eye, and I'm noticing that wherever I look, stores or flea markets, or wherever else there are like, no good games. The only things I'm running across are shovelware and sports titles, and obviously the ubiquitous stuff like Rad Racer and Pilotwings that will always be around. What's worse is that prices are most definitely rising. Games that I could easily find on ebay for 35 bucks last year are now approaching the $50 range.

Maybe this is just a post holiday thing, but I don't recall having this problem in recent years.

>>3727898
>jewtubers created retro gaming. Until then it was just called playing old games.
I think about this all the time. I never used to call it "retro" gaming. Although to be honest, I never really discussed the topic with people in a way that required such a general reference. The idea buying old, used games from the '80s and '90s never felt like an isolated concept or institution. Granted, this was back in the 2000s when you could still walk into an Electronics Boutique or a Babbages and buy solid SNES games with pocket money.

>>3731743
That's because those games weren't old yet. You will start seeing the same thing happen to PS2 games soon as well and PS3/ 360 games after that. It's how things go.

Never forget that collecting old things is rarely a cheap hobby. When the old things are popular you can only expect that they will get pricier. It's just part of the hobby of collecting.

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how much do PC Engine games go for over there? Like an average price range? (in burgerbux)

>>3718537

American shithead

You know the english vocabulary comes from ENGLAND, right?

>>3718330
This.

The main video game demographic (b. ~1980-1990) is currently hitting its peak discretionary spending cycle. Of course many of them are interested in the games and tech of their youth. This is the formation of a natural collectors market.

Also, this will peak. Not only will the industry effectively normalise emulation in a few years, the sad reality is that no new generations of gamers are being created. Today's inspid industry and smartphones mean the glory days of gaming as an identity are fading fast.

In reality, the death came with the death of the arcade.

What is the best place for am American to buy Saturn games? There's a handful of Japan only discs I want but I can't read moon so I need to end up with at least SOME US discs.
No retro store around me has anything Saturn related, when I asked at the counter the guy was incredulous that I had found a Saturn for sale on Craigslist.

All this talk had me thinking.

What you fine folks think of the idea of making a retro games shop, focused on hardware games and peripherals?

It doesn't seem like a bad idea, save for the online problem. I mean, is It still worth opening these kinds of shops when you can find almost anything online?

Maybe open a e-commerce in addition to the physical store?

>>3733868
>The main video game demographic (b. ~1980-1990) is currently hitting its peak discretionary spending cycle. Of course many of them are interested in the games and tech of their youth. This is the formation of a natural collectors market.

Kids born in the 90s and early 2000s will raise the prices of 5th and 6th gen stuff as well as GBA and DS/PSP.


>Also, this will peak. Not only will the industry effectively normalise emulation in a few years, the sad reality is that no new generations of gamers are being created. Today's insipid industry and smartphones mean the glory days of gaming as an identity are fading fast.

The industry will do what it can to sweep emulation under the rug. It's not just they don't want competition for their modern games, emulation is too many games for too little cost. If normies managed to get a few ROMsets onto their phones they'd be set for life and would never buy another game.
There is a reason why Nintendo only included 30 games in the NES classic when they could easily fit 700+.
Companies will slowly pump out IOS remakes of classic (those discussed on reddit often, nothing obscure or foreign) games and charge $10 for them.
On the PC side there will be remakes(Full Throttle [Ecce Homo!]) and reboots(Lara with bow&arrow instead of akimbo gats) and google will slide abandonware and DOS game download sites off the first few pages of search results so people can't find them.

No new generations of gamers? Gaming as an identity fading?
Haven't you seen the photos of kids with their entire bedroom covered in Razr gaming merchandise? They even make processed corn snacks advertised as gamer grub.
Did people even identify as "gamers" before 2007? 19yr old kids today are nostalgic for Xbox 360 and CoD:Black Ops; "Good times man, today's modern PS4 shit just can't compare".

>In reality, the death came with the death of the arcade.
What year did arcades truly expire?
I think by the advent of 6th gen consoles, arcades were finished.

>>3734087
If prices are competitive with eBay prices and (retro) games aren't the only way the store makes money, then yes, I believe it could be successful. Most likely not as profitable as something like Gamestop, but profitable enough to thrive. The problem, though, is where would you get the games for lower than eBay prices? Craigslist lots maybe?

>>3734087
>>3734250
The money isn't in selling things at a good price, it's having people walk in and sell shit for 25%cash/50%store credit of the going price.

>>3731743
I think games would have remained cheaper if GameStop and EB Games kept selling old games. You used to be able to walk in and buy NES games in the 2000s too. I wonder what they did with all those games.

>>3734087
Retro game shops are failing left right and center, for many reasons. Making a new one is probably retarded. Shipping is a lot cheaper than rent in any place you're going to get walk in customers. Most people into old games are aspie basement dwellers who would rather order online than brave the yellow face anyway.

>>3734250

In my country, the second had market is very weak. That may be an opportunity for growth.

In regards to where could I find the material to sell, I think about maybe contacting some neet in Japan to scavenge items for me in the lesser known/markets around japan(such as the ones anon mentioned), a maybe he would send it to me? That's the first thing that comes into mind. What do you think about it?

It might work, but i fear the initial costs of such an employee might burden my operation in the beginning of the business life, which may increase risk of failure. Also, customs/delivery time might fuck me over.

Maybe have him work on commission/part-time might be better.

Anyways, that's what i have for now.

Any other ideas, I'm all ears.

>>3734402
*second hand

>>3727898
>Actually jewtubers created retro gaming. Until then it was just called playing old games
Not really. In the 90's there was the usenet newsgroup rec.games.video.classic and it was called "classic gaming" not "playing old games". Games were cheap for the most part, and paying $100 for a rare 2600 cart was shockingly expensive. There was no hype, "nintendo" didn't mean shit in money terms, collecting games was an underground, weird hobby. Modern internet ruined the hobby and made it into a meme with stuff like $1500 Keio Flying Squadron Sega CD.

The Google Groups rgvc archive tells the tale.

>>3734437
For example, a list of games a guy had for sale in 1998: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=rec.games.video.classic/4Zjl9e4SBMo/7KVYiOi-twUJ

Keio Flying Squad was $10 in the golden days.

>>3718281
Yes I do. Retro game stores are failing and going out of business.

The prices are inflated because of hoarders and resellers. Some of them own thousands and thousands of video games. Most resellers are old (and out of shape)

If a few of the resellers die at the same time, it could cause a panic as their tens of thousands of games flood the market.

>>3734445
A guy who dared to list Little Samson for the outrageous sum of $30 to the community in 2000 was called out for being a ripoff artist: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=rec.games.video.classic/Kn7emHKoOt4/1RUfTA5ntN0J

A reply to those outrageous NES prices:
>No kidding... ebay AND Fuckoland are cheaper than this.
in post https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.games.video.classic/Kn7emHKoOt4/bIzzNdyZROsJ

>>3734437
Sounds like you might be autistic.
Since we're measuring out sperg penises Google Groups rgvc archive tells the tale of way more people calling it playing old games than classic gaming. lol.

>>3719116
>>3733851
For coming from such a refined culture, you sure fall for simple bait pretty easily.

>>3734908
The point is that collecting videogames was, in fact, a thing before the retarded modern meme collecting scene of YT douchebags et al. Call it what you want, perhaps "classic gaming" is over generalization for everyone. It was rec.games.video.CLASSIC though.

>>3735886
The point is that you're an autistic fool who didn't read the thread you replied to. Love the backpeddle, b-b-but some other sperg named it CLASSIC. Top fucking kik kid.

>>3736157
What the fuck are you talking about? Go back to Reeeeddit.

>>3718281
Glad I went to Japan three years ago and got everything I needed back then.

>>3734921
>I was pretending to be retarded
Read general rule #6, and go to bed.

I think it wont suddenly pop but it'll decline, first post was best post.

Maybe prices will go down in time, but anyone who wants to start buying retro games should just get flash carts. Hardware has thankfully stayed at reasonable prices.

>>3738384
>Hardware has thankfully stayed at reasonable prices.
Someone hasn't tried to buy a PC Engine lately.

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>>3722863
>tfw I let my kids play with my plastic chinese shit

>>3738434
i'm talking about consoles that people actually want

and a quick look at ebay shows me that the standard pc engine goes for like $60.

>>3738460
Now go look up the prices for a working CD drive or Duo, which you need for most of the console's best games. You're looking at easily $200-300 for a working setup.

And in Japan, the PCE was way, way more popular than the Mega Drive. And since this thread is about Japan, the PCE certainly counts as a console people want.

>>3738472
Okay, fair point. It's still worth mentioning that most of the popular /vr/ consoles are extremely affordable relative to their game prices.

>>3738356
Nothing about what he said was retarded though.
Maybe you should pull the teabag out of your ass, retard.

>>3722829
>>3731727

The millennials who are buying nintendo's to revisit their childhoods are likely only buying a handful of games, and are likely to resell their purchases after they get bored with them/move to a new city.

The nerds and collectors are the ones amassing huge collections that they hardly part with.
There is more of these guys than ever.

Everyone wants to point the finger, but at the end of the day, if you're buying video games and not selling them/trading them, you are part of the "problem".

>>3738434
>i buy my shit from overpriced resellers

>>3738472
>above confirmed
>let me move the goal post while im at it.

I paid ¥500 for my last PCE. I'll be back to buy a few more in two weeks. I suspect the price will still be ¥500 as it has been for the last 20 years.

You're a fool and a tool eBayby.

the north american rise in prices allowed me to start and run my own import business.

I bought out a video game retailer in Japan that closed two years ago and shipped it all to Canada. Now I travel to conventions around the province where I live and sell at fair ebay value and do well enough.

It will never be enough to even think about starting a Brick and mortar store, but it's a fun little business that gets me easy access to all the classic games and into the cons.

>>3738503
Just because you paid a nigger from Roppongi ¥500 to steal a PCE for you doesn't mean that reflects the actual going rate for those consoles.

You can't even get a PCE controller for ¥500 from any actual store these days, and PCEs vanished from recycle shops many years ago.

>>3718281
>I can't believe how much retro game prices have increased here in the last couple of years.

How are you shocked when resllers have been going there for years to get lots of popular games for cheap to make a massive profit off of on ebay?

>>3738494
what happens is people want all the cool games they had as a kid AND MORE

>>3738356
You may shit on someone pretending to be retarded however it's actually a very useful and valid tactic spies trying to get someone to reveal classified info on the internet use.

>>3738494
>Everyone wants to point the finger, but at the end of the day, if you're buying video games and not selling them/trading them, you are part of the "problem".
>if you're not giving me your video games, you're part of the problem!

>>3738638
Yes, not putting more games onto the market driving up demand and price makes you part of the problem. I'm glad you agree even if you have to post like a filthy /v/edditor.

>>3738640
No it doesn't you fucking retard. In that case, everyone who has has a game is part of the problem.

pro tip: the world owes you nothing.

>>3738716
Yes it does.

>r*tard

Fucking knew it.

>>>/v/

STAY THERE!

1. Retro video games are the most unique and collectible item from the 90's, maybe ever as far as electronics go. There are very few things from the 90's that haven't been completely replaced with something better: TV's->HDTV, Computers->Better computers, Movies->Netflix, Music->spotify, Walkmen->iPod, am I missing anything? Magic Cards? As of now there is no better way to experience a retro game than the physical cart on the original hardware.

2. Virtual Console is not a real solution since, you get bundled DRM, Moving VC from Wii to Wii U is a nightmare, moving to Switch is gonna only be worse, every release is extra headache or buy your game again. You never really own it. Regardless, virtual console, emulation and flash cards have only INCREASED the demand for the original games and hardware.

>>3738521
>just because you paid five bucks for a PCE every year for the last 20 years doesn't mean I can't pay more on eBay.
You're a fool and a tool baby.

>>3738769
Virtual Console and emulation maybe have increased demand because they're inferior, but I don't see why flash carts have. There's nothing you get with the original cart that you don't with flash carts other than bragging rights.

>>3738769
>implying HDTVs, Netflix, Spotify or i-Pods are better than what came before
>implying you "own" games in physical form while in reality, you only own the license to play the game and nothing more
>implying emulation and flashcarts aren't just as good or even better than physical carts or even original hardware

Do you even research anything before you write about it? Or are you just "pretending to be retarded"?

>>3738472
>$200-300 a lot
time to get a job neet

>>3739012
You should take your own advice before parroting the "license" myth.

>>3739012

>implying that you are still using a CRT monitor and not a 1080p flat panel
>implying you do anything other than play your games

>>3739394
Except that it's indeed how it's regulated in the law but you probably wouldn't know that as a dumb anon.

>>3739417
>implying I'm not using a CRT television for games and a CRT monitor for my computer
>implying I'm a /v/-tard like you

You're not trying, are you?

>>3739007

With the original cart you get exactly the game you want as soon as you turn the system on. It is a uniquely different experience than turning the system on then selecting your game from a unofficial homebrew file menu. Since you are an apologist I'm sure you will come up with some excuse that the actual difference is irrelevant and you are still right something like "it's not a big deal".

>>3739428

Bullshit, you may have a CRT hooked up to your PC but you aren't using it to shit post on 4chan right now, I guaranfuckingtee it

>>3739428
>indeed how it's regulated in the law
'Fraid not. Copyright statutes, at least in my country, the U.S., don't involve any concept of licenses for ownership of physical copies. They have no need to. Copyright law restricts the act of making copies to those who own the copyright. Ownership of the physical media itself is governed under standard property law, and no special rights to revoke that ownership exist. Making use of the copy requires no additional licensing, even though it makes temporary copies in RAM, because that is explicitly allowed under 17 U.S.C. § 117 (a).

Now, software that requires the user agree to a EULA before it will function is another matter, of course, as the user can agree to all sorts of restrictions not contained in copyright law itself, but that obviously doesn't apply to any software that runs without requiring any license agreement from the user, such as a SNES cartridge.

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>>3718281
You think availability of that kind of gaming stuff is bad? Look at the the panther XL! Just think about how much the supply of that has gone to hell by now!

Imagine if Madcatz were to re-release it, think of how nicely THAT bubble would burst!

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>>3740704

>The Panther XL by Mad Catz is a joystick and trackball combination that is used to replace the keyboard and mouse for player movement in first-person shooter games like Quake and Unreal.

>>3740746
But, get this, it actually works! Though some people feel that it works even better for normal joystick games.

It also fits nicely in your lap, making it great for that very same living room type situation as all those consoles that are getting hoarded along with their accessories and games.

>>3739456
Software that requires the user agree to a EULA before it will function is indeed another matter and the EULA isn't worth the text file it's written on. My lawyers handed M$ their ass on this long ago in the EU. Shame if no on in the US has the balls to have done the same.

>>3742918

It may work for some people but you couldn't pay me to use a joystick in an FPS