Is there any reason to actually own a Dreamcast?

>>3716387
No, no there's not. Better to avoid it all together. In fact you're better off avoiding this board completely, I hear /v/ is a much better place.

>>3716387
I keep mine around for whenever I feel like busting out some seaman.

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>>3716387
>get superior ports

If they were a NAOMI game (Crazy Taxi, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Ikaruga, etc), they were inferior since the Dreamcast hardware is identical to a NAOMI system, so the DC ports were perfect. Then there's non-arcade games like Sonic Adventure and Skies of Arcadia that play and/or look/sound better on the DC. As for exclusives, DC got lots of gems like Shenmue, Illbleed, Blue Stinger, D2, Maken X, Cannon Spike, Gundam Side Story, Metropolis Street Racer just to name a few. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to own a DC.

>>3716387
If you are playing on an LCD then absolutely for the 480p output.

>>3716387

On the contrary, ports of Dreamcast games are often inferior. The Dreamcast is a treasure trove of arcade-perfect or near-arcade-perfect ports. There's also plenty of original games that never got ported. Keep in mind the Dreamcast can play burned games with no modification.

>>3716426
This picture is not correct because House of the Dead 2 is also on Xbox (it's included in House of the Dead 3).

>they were inferior since the Dreamcast hardware is identical to a NAOMI system
Not exactly. NAOMI still has a lot more RAM than Dreamcast. And only the NAOMI version of HOTD ran at the same clockspeed as Dreamcast, the other NAOMI games had its GPU running at a faster clock speed.

I get your point about it being pretty much the same set of hardware, making ports super easy, but that doesn't mean the game can't be improved off the original arcade version when ported.

>Sonic Adventure
Pretty sure the DX version being worse is a meme

>Skies of Arcadia
The sound quality is better on Dreamcast, sure. But the GameCube version has extra content and a fine-tuned encounter rate. At minimum, it's a toss-up between the two.

>>3716387
DC is still a fun console, and many of the ports were somehow different enough from the original games to warrant playing both.

DC is also the best looking console ever, if you ask me. I love the design. The only other console that comes close to being as good looking is the GameCube.

>>3716450
>The only other console that comes close to being as good looking is the GameCube.
Yeah, I also find fisher price lunch boxes sexy.

>>3716445
Some can. Mine cannot, because it's a 2 model.

>>3716387
Depends on which ones.
If it's an actual Sega made game then yes 7/10 times there are superior versions of them on the other consoles. When it comes to arcade ports however, that's when the Dreamcast starts slapping their shit around. Before Capcom and SNK and whoever else started pumping out HD remasters over xbox live the Dreamcast version of MvC, Garou, etc were pretty much the only acceptable versions of the game outside of the actual cabinets.
Besides, not every excellent Dreamcast game got ported to another system beyond it. Can't play the best version of Soul Reaver anywhere else

>>3716472
>Garou
PS2 version (NTSC-J) is the tournament standard. Dreamcast version has input lag.

>>3716447
>I get your point about it being pretty much the same set of hardware, making ports super easy, but that doesn't mean the game can't be improved off the original arcade version when ported.


G-REVs Under Defeat is still the most accurate on Dreamcast.
Then on the other hand we have stuff such as Ikaruga on the 360 which changes enemy patterns and what not hence in a certain sense it's not even the same game.

You could get a lot of the popular DC games on literally any of the other 6th Gen consoles. The Dreamcast was basically a refined 5th Gen console that was utterly crushed by the rest of 6th Gen line.

>Reminder that Sega feared the launch of the Playstation 2

Reminder that Sega have never won a console war.

>>3717192
And yet, their consoles are superior to anything that Nintendo or Sony shat out.

I just bought a really clean dreamcast and 2 controllers for 65 bucks. I feel like I overpaid because I got my 1st dreamcast for around 24 dollars around 5 or 6 years ago, but this one was well kept so I decided to go for it.

I just enjoy playing on this system, Toy Commander is the motherfucking SHIT.

>>3717206
But the games were not.

>>3717192
Genesis won the "outside of Japan" console war

I don't remember the PS2 having Suzar fucking Vazar

>>3716447
>Skies of Arcadia
>The sound quality is better on Dreamcast, sure. But the GameCube version has extra content and a fine-tuned encounter rate. At minimum, it's a toss-up between the two.
I always felt like a heretic for saying I preferred the Gamecube version, but all that extra content was fucking excellent, and the lowered encounter rate was pretty nice, although I didn't notice it being THAT much lower.

And depending on your sound system, most people won't notice the drop in audio quality. Pretty much everyone here on /vr/ plays using built-in TV speakers, and those are fucking garbage anyway.

>>3717227
I find it funny your brand bias prevents you from enjoying the many great games available on Sega systems. Stay buttmad.

>>3716426
Ikaruga is better on the GameCube though.

>>3717251
Not true Dreamcast version is better

feel free to translate the moonrunes

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/斑鳩_(シューティングゲーム)

>>3717416

I can read that with google translate. That doesn't prove anything.

>>3717251
Xbox 360 > PC > DC > GC

>>3717251
Of course a Cubebabby would say that.

Dreamcast is the most interesting console IMO, if the controller had 2 analog sticks it would have had a better chance. I own 2 of them, I only use 1 to play burned games so I don't wear out the GD-ROM laser until I get a USB GD ROM

>>3716387
>PS2, GameCube or Xbox
>No Plasma Sword
>No Tech Romancer
>No Power Stone
>No Project Justice
>No Cannon/Gun Spike
>No Gunbird 2
>No Mars Matrix
>No Giga Wing
>No decent version of Maken X
>Plenty of others that I'm omitting
Nah, there's still plenty of reason to own one.

Seaman, mother fuckers!

>>3717461
Best selling game for the Dreamcast in NTSC-J believe it or not.

>>3717416
>Not true Dreamcast version is better
Nope, it's not. GameCube version has Conquest Mode and no slowdown/lag unlike the DreamCast version.

>>3717425
Wrong.

>>3717426
Keep Dreaming

>>3717465
Bullshit.

>>3717425
How is the 360 version better than the PC version?

>>3717513
Online co-op.

>>3717493
>no slowdown/lag
It only slows down during boss explosions, which is actually intentional. Even the PC version does this, but the FPS doesn't actually drop.

>>3717493
>lowdown/lag unlike the DreamCast version.

The slow down is in the NAOMI version in other words the Dreamcast one is better.

>>3717504
最高売上ソフト 日本の旗 シーマン : 52万4,731本

>>3717450
Well to be true Ps2 has Gunbird 1&2 but I think it's an horrid port also one of the rare games of the whole catalogue that doesn't have a saving option.

I think having a DC will always be good because it has one of the best video signals of any console ever and with RGB or VGA it just looks better than anything between N64 and Wii. Too bad the lenses are shit and it has a lot of other problems, now i'm having trouble with Shenmue discs in two DC at the same time.

>>3717504

It's true though

http://www.gamegyokai.com/rank/dc.htm

>>3716426
Sonic Adventure and Skies of Arcadia look better on PC and GameCube.

>Shenmue
Not exclusive. The rest of the garbage you listed is hardly a reason to own a Dreamcast.

>>3716447

>Pretty sure the DX version being worse is a meme

It's no meme, it's well established and easy to find information on. Recently there's been work done porting the Dreamcast lighting engine to the DX version, it makes a drastic difference as the DX version has almost no dynamic lighting and render effects which are mostly broken https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=8d95a5f483b036ed8034313482e399a3&showtopic=36292

That's not even getting into the new glitches and 'improved' camera, it's one of the laziest ports in history bar none. I barely play SA at all compared to the sequel but I can immediately notice the difference when I fall through the fucking pier on Emerald Coast for the 4th time in a row.

>>3717563
PS2 Strikers 1945 1&2 were also absolute dog shit the damn PS1 version was better.

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18 years later still assblasted we never got the port

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>>3716457
Suck it. Negitave ass clown...

>>3717598
Shenmue is exclusive.

Shenmue II was ported to Xbox, but it has worse textures in a lot of areas, which is inexcusable considering how much more capable the Xbox hardware is.

>>3717646
Nice fingerprint magnet.

>>3716387
Sonic Shuffle

>>3717674
better than a yellowing magnet

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shenmue.

>>3717684
Not that guy but I never understood why everybody sperges out about yellowing.
If it works properly then who cares.

Most of my systems I didn't grow up are yellowed but I did pay 0.01 USD for each of them on yahoo japan auctions .

damn. so the dreamcast is mostly weaboo type games???

how is d-2 or carrier?

>>3717692
>I didn't grow up with

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>>3717598

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>>3717696
>weeaboo type games
Or is it?

>>3716387
It's easy to burn discs for. Some exclusives like Powerstone and Bangai-O

>>3717696
>damn. so the dreamcast is mostly weaboo type games???
>Japanese made system

Not sure if bait or autism.

>>3717702
i'll check it out

looks like a syphonfilter type game from the box art, yeah?

>>3717705
actually yeah that was pure autism on my part thats a good point.

eh, at least i only got 6 games for the DC and no need to buy any more. and fuck who am i kidding i just bought shenfuckingmue and thats blatantly weeb. who am i. what am i doing here

>>3716426

>Maken X

Mah nigga.

>>3717723
Hehehe you's in denial boy WELCOME TO HELL

>>3717750
CHILL
its my only weeb game i swear

lemme go play some MW2 and take my mind off this for a while...

>>3717709
It's like Metal Gear Solid with motorcycle minigames.

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>>3717750
Who the fuck are we kidding it was always weebshit

>>3717723
How is Shenmue blatantly weeb?
Because it's set in Japan? I think you should check what "weeb" means before posting

Why the fuck they went with a proprietary format like GD-ROM instead of DVDs?

>>3717802
Because Naomi already had this and adding DVD would cost them more.
Also GD-ROM was supposed to be anti-piracy method

>>3717808
That worked out well...

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>>3716387
a superior port of the only good spawn game.

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>>3716387
This entire thread and not one mention of
>Sakura Taisen
>ChuChu Rocket
>Typing of the dead

Come on /vr/ step it up.

>>3717869
>Sakura Taisen
weebshite
>ChuChu Rocket
better on gba
>Typing of the dead
better on pc

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>>3717869
You want to weeb it up then fucking do it!

>>3717871
DC ChuChu Rocket has local multiplayer though.

>>3717869
The game you listed are not exclusive.
But at least I won't pretend these game are bad or call them "weebshit" just because it had anime cutscenes.

>>3717871
>weebshite
Their great games if the anime art style triggers I'm sorry for your shit taste.

>>3717878
Shining Force III is better, and doesn't have any of the gay visual novel bullshit.

>>3717883
*Yawn* Generic fantasy weebshit

>>3716426

JSR was released on the playstation store like a year ago. Update that sheeeeit.

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>>3717883
>Shining Force III

What a baby go play a real strategy game like Daisenryaku

>>3717894
It was more like 4 years ago.

>>3717894
2012 was a lot longer than a year ago.

>>3716387
Plenty of reasons to own one. Is not being a poorfag emubaby one or two?

@No.3718041
>ad hominem
OP BtheFO lol reekt XD

>>3717652
>Shenmue II was ported to Xbox, but it has worse textures in a lot of areas
And yet it's still the definitive version of the game.

>>3717701
It's not bait. Literally nothing listed there is a must-play - not even Skies of Arcadia. The Dreamcast is a shite system that, much like every other Sega console, hasn't stood the test of time well. Get over it.

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>>3718172

>>3718203
Those tryhard fake OCs are more autistic than the real deal.

>>3718172
It really isn't the definitive version, unless you really like the English dub and added lens flare.

It also doesn't have the feature to carry items over from a Shenmue I save, since the first game wasn't released on Xbox.

>>3718326
Why'd you sage, fagboy?

Of course it's the definitive version. It performs better, has better effects and the Xbox controller is far superior to the Dreamcast's.

>>3716387
>Is there any reason to actually own a Dreamcast?

No copy protection. If you have a CD-R, you have every goddamn game in the catalog.

>also Marvel vs. Capcom 2

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>>3718338
>and the Xbox controller is far superior to the Dreamcast's.
If you're a mutant, maybe.

>>3718338
>It performs better
It performs about the same.
>has better effects
It has lens flare that doesn't add anything of value to the game.
>Xbox controller is far superior
They're pretty much the same fucking thing.

>>3716387
You obviously don't like fighting games. MvC 1/2, Cap vs SNK 1/2, Guilty Gear X, MK4, Dead or Alive, etc etc etc all versions equal to the arcade version because of Naomi board.

>>3718338
Shitpost-kun is out for his (You)'s it seems.

>>3717652
>Shenmue II was ported to Xbox, but it has worse textures in a lot of areas
>>3718364
>It performs about the same.
Uh, sorry my friend, but this has now been proven to be more falsehoods spread by Dreamcast fanboys.

Digital Foundry recently proved that the Xbox version not only has better texture quality but also runs at a substantially higher framerate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HNOSQqoUcg

On that note, Dreamcast fanboys have been claiming for years that Crazy Taxi on PS2 has slowdown. I've compared the two versions back to back and discovered that it is the Dreamcast version that has slowdown and the PS2 version which has less slowdown.

There a several ramps in the game where driving off them slow the Dreamcast version to a crawl. However, the PS2's framerate does not falter when driving off those ramps. The hilarious thing is that the Dreamcast version is based off the original arcade hardware, so the PS2 version actually improved on it.

>>3716426

>Metropolis Street Racer

What is Project Gotham Racing

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>>3718596
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HNOSQqoUcg
WILL DREAMKEKS EVER RECOVER

>>3718607
MSR is better, though.

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>>3718596
>vaseline filter
>bloom lighting
>english voice acting

>>3718643
>vaseline filter
you mean, proper texture mipmapping to prevent aliasing and shimmering
>bloom lighting
objective improvement
>english voice acting
*unsheathes katana*
*unsheathes wakizashi*

>>3718657
Not him but nobody ever refers to the lack of texture AF as vaseline filter. It's like the first version of FXAA but 3 times blurrier.

>>3718661
>Not him but nobody ever refers to the lack of texture AF as vaseline filter
the difference between dreamcast and xbox isn't a matter of anisotropic filtering off vs anisotropic filtering on, it's mipmapping off vs mipmapping on
> It's like the first version of FXAA but 3 times blurrier.
quincunx anti-aliasing has nothing to do with FXAA, it's not post-processing, it's MSAA 2x with an offset that gives MSAA 4x results at yes, the expense of some sharpness

but it's MSAA 4x on a bloody 6th gen game, it's totally worth it unless you are a jaggies lover

>>3716426
>Cannon Spike

That is a NAOMI game you know.

desu I only bought a dreamcast for sega rally

>>3716426
>noteworthy Dreamcast games
>lists all of them

>>3716469
you can adjust the laser on the 2 models so they can read burnt games. Don't really know if it's a good idea though since it would probably just make your laser die out faster.

>>3717192
They were solidly winning the 4th gen console war until they pretty much killed the Mega Drive in 1995 and let SNES reign supreme for a good 2 or 3 more years, allowing it to catch up.

>>3716447
>This picture is not correct because House of the Dead 2 is also on Xbox (it's included in House of the Dead 3).

Both 2 and 3 were ported to the Wii as House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return (and I think they received individual PC ports as well, but don't quote me on that).

>>3719097
>released 2 years before the SNES
>dead by 1994
>2 add-ons to bump the sales
>muhhhhh we were winning Sega LET(lol) SNES win

>>3718903
if i was asked about noteworthy Neogeo games I would also list all of them

>>3719284
Sega outsold SNES in Christmas 1994

>>3719284
SNES was DOA here.

>>3718596

Even discounting the framerate, why would anyone play the 6th gen version when it controls like shit? That's why it was poorly received, the sensitivity from the Dreamcast's analog is gone and made practically digital. it's not some SEGA fan conspiracy, it was just another shit port by Acclaim shortly before they went out of business.

>>3719284
The Sega CD was made in direct response to the PC-Engine CD. SNES wasn't even the target for that particular add-on.

>>3716387
The
>theres literally no excuse
Console of that generation.

>>3716426
I was looking for a list of good games on DC not ported to other shit like this. Thanks man!

>>3719378
Must have been terrible not to experience great games in your childhood.

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>>3716447
>Pretty sure the DX version being worse is a meme

Sega were lazy and some of the graphical effects, lighting and sound effects are missing or not implemented correctly. Sonic hackers are working on it for the SADX PC port thankfully

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/195610

>>3719284
>A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a SNES rather than a Genesis.[45] With the Genesis often outselling the SNES at a ratio of 2:1,[46] Nintendo and Sega both focused heavily on impression management of the market, even going to the point of deception, with Nintendo claiming they had sold more consoles in 1991 than they actually had, and forecasting they would sell 6 million consoles by the end of 1992, while their actual U.S. install base at the end of 1992 was only just more than 4 million units.[47] Due to these tactics, it was difficult to ascertain a clear leader in market share for several years at a time, with Nintendo's dollar share of the U.S. 16-bit market dipping down from 60% at the end of 1992 to 37% at the end of 1993,[48] Sega claiming 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994,[49] and Donkey Kong Country helping the SNES to outsell the Genesis from 1995 through 1997.[40][50][51][52][53] According to a 2004 study of NPD sales data that presents year by year charts through 2001, the Sega Genesis was able to maintain its lead over the Super NES in the American 16-bit console market.[54] According to a 2014 Wedbush Securities report based on revised NPD sales data, the SNES outsold the Genesis in the U.S. market.[55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis#North_American_sales_and_marketing

All of that sounds to me like the Mega Drive was doing just fine before Sega foolishly killed it off prematurely to focus on the Saturn. Of course, it's hard to be certain, seeing as that paragraph even says that Nintendo were found to lie about their sales, and for all we know, Sega could have too. Anyway, I'm not here to fight 25 year old console wars. I like both consoles and in recent years I've probably been playing more SNES, but half of its best games came out in late 1994 to 1998, when Sega's release lineup had become a desert. Sega made stupid choices to compete with Sony while Nintendo were patient.

>>3716447
>>3717241
>Skies of Arcadia on Dreamcast
>Flying ship around the map
>Game freezes
>Awful dot matrix printer sound coming from dreamcast for 10 seconds
>Random encounter starts up

>>3716447
SADX is... different. It's glitchy in willdy different ways, they changed a fuckton of textures (arguably for the worse, despite the textures being higher resolution, Red Mountain looks like shit in SADX), and there's a bunch of weird shit going on with the lighting.
also, the leaner, shinier Sonic model looks fucking retarded

in SA on DC, loop pathing likes to break
in SADX, you can and will fall through the floor, and will die for no reason whatsoever on the whale section
I like that game, but it's a fucking mess.

>>3720552
man, I never did realize how much worse Chaos looked in SADX, hot damn

>>3717635
God damn, I'm mad as fuck.

>>3717126
everyone making hardware would have feared the PS2's launch
doubly so if your new machine was about to get eclipsed by the PS2 hype train
triply so if you were bleeding out so badly that you couldn't stay afloat with the slump in sales the PS2 release brought, despite selling pretty decently up to that point

>>3717861
other than the sheer idiocy of allowing code execution off of CDs (no seriously, I can't really think of any other way this could have gone), it would have been pretty rock solid

>>3717563
man, I wanted to sit down and enjoy my DC yesterday
but the drive is likely dying, a lot of games that used to work are having load issues and it works better if I flip the machine upside down, like an early PS1

if it wasn't more than I feel like spending, I'd get a gdemu (really, I'll probably just end up emulating now)

>>3721434
I have heard that european GD's were shitty made and they just stop working without any reason.
I just hope my Shenmue discs are not suffering that because they look like new.
Maybe the best option would be flashcard.

>>3721442
>I have heard that european GD's were shitty made and they just stop working without any reason.
so thats the issue with mine the whole time
some are in spotless condition and just boot back to the menu but i got crazy taxi to work after the millionth try

>>3721478
>i got crazy taxi to work after the millionth try

God, I have a completely fucked Crazy Taxi and it works perfect while my Shenmue 1&2 don't.
It seems you can solve something touching the lens but i'm pretty bad at those things.

>>3716387
Is there a reason not to own a DC? It's dirt cheap and you can play pirated games without even needing to do any modding or anything at all.

>>3716426
>sturmwind

Is there a decent way to play a pirated copy of this game yet? I remember nobody being able to get it to run.

I had to fix my OG XBOX today by using my brother's XBOX to power my extra HDD I was adding to mine. He decided to be an asshole and one of the things he said was "I wanna see it working before you give it back." Well, it's working. And I changed his screensaver to "I'M A DUMB NIGGER HAHAHA" and his nickname to "Cuck."

Because I wanted to tell him to go fuck himself, but this feels better.

I bought a Dreamcast today. Model 1.

Before I grab a big stack of CD-Rs what should I download?

>>3716387
Virtua Fighter 3.

>>3716493
No, you tool. The MVS is the tournament standard. PS2 comes with macros. Feel free to let me know what these 'tournaments' you've been to, because it sound insignificant.

>>3718596
PS2's Crazy Taxi's floor also disappears into nothingness, you faggot. Did you play the game, yes or no?

try get the exclusive games to dreamcast imo

power stone 1-2 (why wasnt this ported to other consoles?)
cannon spike (decent but somewhat short arcade game)
outtrigger (fun arena fps with awesome controls also has 3rd person mode which is the best imo)

they have an unique feel to them

>>3723109
>PS2's Crazy Taxi's floor also disappears into nothingness
Maybe you're copy of the game is glitched. Or this is kind more mindless PS2 hate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFDFad2jYY

>>3723135
>power stone 1-2 (why wasnt this ported to other consoles?)
Not a "console", but it is on PSP.

>>3717684
>go to a local game store
>see a Gamecube, but something isn't right
>walk up and see that the white part with controller ports has harsh yellowing
HOW? It's a fucking Gamecube, not a Super Nintendo. Age has nothing to do with it. You'd have to be a chain smoker, and make sure to always blow each puff directly onto the poor thing.

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>>3717225
You definitely overpaid but it was probably premium price because the dude cleaned it up. I got mine a couple years back for less than $35, same set as yours, though that was before retro game shit started shooting up crazy high like they are now.
If you don't got it yet, go get the Dreamcast version of Soul Reaver because it has superior graphics and controls compared to the PS1/PC version. Just seeing how much better the real time environment transformations look can make you wet.

>>3716387
If I remember right there's a port of the original metal gear solid that's the best version of the game

>>3721442
>>3721478
>>3721552

I am willing to bet its your drive over the discs; I have a black Sega Sports DC that made me think I was burning bad discs/fucking up my retail discs but it turns out the drive was just fucked and my other DCs work without issue. I am tempted to see if there's a pot to adjust on it.

>>3722883

>>3716426 posted above is a pretty good guide.

>>3722883
http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/dreamcast/dreamcast-isos/capcom-fighting-collection-disc/

>>3724280
It's not a port, it's actually an emulator disc that allows the PSX version of Metal Gear to be played on the Dreamcast.

Here's a YouTube video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekL9WL_qJXk

>>3723168
No, not at all. It clearly fades floors out on a slope. Now, answer my question that you tried to dodge. Did you or did you not play the game?

>>3724376
Sadly I have the same problem in two different Dreamcast. So the two are fucked or the discs are fucked. I'm fucked, that's for sure.

>>3717206
>Shitty architecture and build quality
>Better than Sony or Nintendo
haah waaw

>>3718380
Aside from Marvel 2 on PS2 all those fighting games are also equal to the arcade on the other 6th gen platforms

>>3722616
riveting story

>>3727406
>and build quality
>build quality
>sony

Yeah they really showed what quality meant with the first two years of the PS1

>>3724173
PC has better resolution, Dreamcast has better models, and controlls are more of a preference thing

>>3717450
Power Stone got a double port on PSP