What is your favorite Sega console?

Genesis>Saturn>Dreamcast>Master System

Dreamcast>Genesis>Master System>Saturn

>>3703794

>Master System before Saturn

I'm curious, why?

>>3703803

In what way? It has a lot of great games.

On Master System I can only think of Zillion which is an okay game, some of the Wonder Boy Monster Land, maybe the Sonic games, Land of Illusion and I pretty much run out of games I enjoyed on it.
I could understand if you have nostalgia for its arcade ports back in the day, but otherwise I don't get it.

>>3703809
Saturn was a poorly-designed chipset, with lacking software releases for the Western market, that cost too much money to manufacture and effectively killed Sega as a hardware company.

>>3703812
Stupid American marketing killed sega.

Saturn did well in Japan.

>>3703816
The Japanese market is not saved Saturn.

>>3703812

>for the Western market

How is that relevant in this day?

I forgot to mention Phantasy Star (which was.... just okay) and the Europe-only Ninja Gaiden (which was also alright, but not a system seller).

Where are the Master System equivalents to Nights, Panzer Dragoon series, Saturn Bomberman, Albert Odyssey, Shining Force III, Dragon Force, Keio 2, and of course the arcade ports it has are all pretty much great, which isn't the case with the Master System which are all slideshows of 2 or 3 frames per second and not really like the arcades at all.
Don't even get me started on the japanese catalogue.

Seriously, I can understand your hate for the system from a silly fanboy/anti-SoA bias point of view, but objectively speaking, I don't understand how you can prefer the SMS over the SS. No logic.

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>>3703816
>Saturn did well in Japan
>costs Sega approximately $330 to manufacture each Saturn. By the time units have been boxed, marketed shipped, and distributed, it's estimated that Sega is losing almost $100 per unit

>OP asks about consoles
>retards start arguing things they don't understand, like business and finances.

Classic.

Just say what consoles you like. Sega won't hire you because of your "brilliant" (this is sarcasm, just in case) analysis on Sega's business history.

>>3703812
>>3703816

Lack of communication between SOA and SOJ caused shit stains such as the 32X to be produced. Combine that with SOA mismanagement of the Saturn in the west and the fact that SOA ended the Saturn without any grace, Most people just say oh pulling the plug made SEGA lose western third party support, oh it did a lot more damage than that. As it's been said Saturn was doing good in Japan and had a rapidly growing user base. Then around late 1997 comes Bernie Stolar with a comment that goes more or less Saturn a fucking shit, Dreamcast/Katana is the future. What happens is pretty much everything scheduled for 1999,2000 is canceled. Outside the west everybody was rejoicing oh what a love fest the Dreamcast sounds. The Japanese user base on the other hand was furious their system which showed no signs of faltering was cut prematurely causing massive butthurt and people vowing never to buy the Dreamcast. The Japanese third party on the other hand found SEGA to simply be too unpredictable why should they even bother with the Dreamcast when they can just go shit out a game for the fuck huge Playstation user effectively killing the Dreamcast on arrival.


In the end Bernie Stolar was wrong about everything the mid-late 90s were the golden age of "weeb" games

>>3703830

Let me guess, you expect people to take you seriously?

Fuck you and your Master Nigger nostalgia.

>>3703750
Overall: Mega Drive > Dreamcast = (import) Saturn > (western) Saturn > Master System.

But they're all good, I miss Sega sometimes.

>>3703834
>As it's been said Saturn was doing good in Japan
lose almost a billion dollars. yes It is a the pinnacle of success

>>3703794
>>3703803
>>3703812
>>3703819
>>3703827
>>3703830

:)

>>3703861

The big bucks comes from software sales you know.

>>3703861

Saturn JP sales 6 millions
Dreamcast JP sales 2 million.

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>>3703893
>Saturn JP sales 6 millions
>losing almost $100 per unit

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>>3703904

>pretending to know how business work

>>3703904

What the hell are you mumbling on about retard the Saturn went on sale in Japan for 44.800 JPY 1994 then the later cheapened Model 1 PCB revisions 34.480 JPY. Then came the Model 2 and it's revisions which was further cut manufacturing costs and it was 20.000JPY.


Then we have the Victory and Hitachi ones which were a tad bit pricier.

>>3703916
Sega was pretending too :^)

>>3703919
>Victor

>>3703920

Fair enough, but at least they were actually doing shit, not shitposting on an anonymous vietnamese cartoon forum.

>>3703919
>What the hell are you mumbling
Industry analysts such as DataQuest and Jeffries & Co

>>3703919
>Then came the Model 2 and it's revisions which was further cut manufacturing costs
You mean, took the manufacturing costs from "absolutely batshit insane" to "just ludicrous".

>and it was 20.000JPY.
Because to not lower the price by that stage would be market share suicide against PS1, whether the manufacturing price went down or not.

>>3703871
>The big bucks comes from software sales you know.
Contrary to popular belief, Saturn's software sales in Japan were not that impressive. Attach-rate in Japan is somewhere around the 3.5 games mark. Pathetic.

How did the Master System fare, sales-wise?
Other than Brazil.

>>3703936

1.5 million VFII 1.3-1 million Daytona USA,SEGA Rally,Fighting Vipers,Gihren No Yabou,Virtua Fighter 1,Sakura Taisen 2,

Fuq you Bernie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ecCiHqn1U

>>3703957
Sega Saturn games that have sold or shipped at least one million copies
- Virtua Fighter 2
- Sega Rally Championship
- Virtua Cop
- Daytona USA

>>3703965
How many million seller games did Master System get?

>>3703936
>You mean, took the manufacturing costs from "absolutely batshit insane" to "just ludicrous".

You got any numbers to back that up or are you just parroting the crap you read on wikipedia?

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>>3703957
Dreamcast has more best-selling games

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>>3703968
Master System did not lead to the of bankruptcy. Saturn did it.

>>3703973
The best selling Dreamcast game in Japan was fucking Seaman with 500k units sold...

>>3703965
That's wrong though

日本市場においてサターンは発売日に20万台、発売1か月で50万台、6か月でプレイステーションよりも先に100万台セールスを達成するなど、セガの歴代コンソールとしては最も好調な売り上げを記録。ソフトも『バーチャファイター2』の130万本をはじめ『バーチャファイター』『デイトナUSA』『ファイターズメガミックス』『セガラリーチャンピオンシップ』『サクラ大戦2』『スーパーロボット大戦F 完結編』といった50万本を超えるヒット作を排出した。

>>3703969
>You got any numbers to back that up or are you just parroting the crap you read on wikipedia?

Just trying opening your Saturn sometime and observe the quantity of shit that Sega has shoved into it.

Then try opening a PS1 and N64 and do a comparison.

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>>3703978
Dreamcast games that have sold or shipped at least one million copies
Sonic Adventure - 2.5 million
Soulcalibur - 1.3 million
Crazy Taxi - 1.225
Shenmue - 1.2 million
Resident Evil Code: Veronica - 1.14
NFL 2K - 1.13
NFL 2K - 1.01

Dreamcast

>>3703976

Well I guess you have a p-HEY HOLD ON A SEC, where's the goalpost?

>>3703983
We are talking about the Japanese market here you dumb ass.

>>3703989
Why not talk about the world sales?

>>3704001
We have been talking about NTSC-J market here for the last 25 posts dude.

>>3703982
>Just trying opening your Saturn sometime and observe the quantity of shit that Sega has shoved into it.


Yeah it's a shame SEGA didn't quality control the Saturn like SONY did with the SCPH 1000-5000models I mean they would have gotten additional 2 million sales. Man those scheming guys at SONY

Mega Drive

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>>3703750
The SG-1000

>>3704269
Looks like a Gundam

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The amstrad mega pc

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>>3703809
>On Master System I can only think of
3D glasses.

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>>3703816
>Stupid American marketing killed sega.
It even get Trump elected...
Stupid burgers. They do what marketing says.

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>>3704269
The SG-1000 was extremely shitty. It's a colleco vision inside, only the box design was a different.

Pics: Sega Card games for the SG-1000

>>3704438
You need an adapter for MyCard games. Regular SG-1000 games ran on the same kind of cartridges as the Mark III.

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>>3703750
Also, the game gear was the best handle console ever.

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>>3704443
Indeed it Sega Cards started with SG-1000 II.

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Also, not a console, but the Tiger Shinobi was my favorite electronic game

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Saturn, of course. The Dreamcast and Mega Drive are a tad overrated.

Master System > Saturn > SC-3000 > Dreamcast > Mega Drive

>>3703834
citation needed

>>3704565
こうして、新たな市場の形成を迫られたセガはサターンの拡販を打ち切り、低コストかつ競合機より強力な後継機「ドリームキャスト」の投入を決断。ドリームキャストが新聞広告で1998年5月22日に発表されてからはサターン市場は多大な影響を受け、1998年6月以降はソフトの出荷本数も大幅に減少したこともあり、1998年には215タイトルがサターンでリリースされたものの、1999年には17本と激減。翌2000年に本体の生産やソフトの供給が終了した。

>>3703750
Mega Drive

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None>Genesis>Saturn>Dreamcast>SG3000

>>3704587
It's SC-3000 or SG-1000.

Saturn. Don't care how successful it was or wasn't. Save it for the Youtube comments.

Master System if you're European.
Mega Drive if you're a dudebro.
Saturn if you're a weebcuck.
Dreamcast if you're a hipster.

>>3703982
>Just trying opening your Saturn sometime and observe the quantity of shit that Sega has shoved into it.

And? How do you know how much those components cost? The ASICs inside could have cost $1 apiece.

You have no source on how much the machine cost, or how much they lost by selling it at whatever the price.

>>3703834
>In the end Bernie Stolar was wrong about everything

Bernie was the public scapegoat yes-man of SOJ. He had no choice but to make the wrong decisions.

hello!!!

>>3704618

>muh evil SOJ

¿Do you like Mario Bros?

Im very smart
You very smart

Saturn. Saturn has incredible visuals, god-tier 2D games, excellent shmups and fighters, two superb controllers, kick ass light gun games. Tons to love about it, just wish SoA handled it better maybe we'd have Sega in the hardware business today. Genesis has tons of excellent sidescrollers, solid shmups but the library lacks a bit of variety. Still love it. The dreamcast is a little weak. There aren't many games to be frank. It's probably Sega's worst console. I'd like to get into the master system, but for now I just don't know enough about it.

>>3704623
>SoJ dindu nuffin
fuck off weebshit

>>3704697
>SOJ wanted to ruin the company!

Stay delusional and keep reading these totally non-biased Kalinske interviews

>>3704706
Why blindly defend SoJ when it was obvious they drove Kalinske away and blocked several games from being released outside Japan?

>>3704743
>they drove Kalinske away and blocked several games from being released outside Japan?
Such as?

>>3704743
yeah this is totally new information there.

>>3704769
-Kalinske wanted SGI to make the MD successor, SoJ shot it down because they thought their absurdly designed hardware would win them the fifth generation when all it did was scare away developers because of being overengineered trash

-Shining Force III pts2&3 which made Camelot leave Sega for Nintendo

>>3704802

Kalinske is a tech guru now? All he's good at is advertising barbies and furry mascots.

>>3704615
Because, dipshit, things like the size of ASICs, the number of pins and clock speed are linearly related to cost.

Let me put it this way, only one of the following can be true.

A: Sony and Nintendo made MAD profit dividends on selling console hardware

B; Sega lost a substantial amount of money selling each console

For example, there is no reason to believe each Hitachi SH2 didn't cost approximately as much as a MIPS 3000A.

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Honestly, SegaCD. Was it the most powerful? Nope. Did it have the best games? Nope. Did it have a bitchin' startup song and CD playback capabilities? Fuck yea!

https://youtu.be/NmoQOpd6VJc

>>3705061
I prefer the JPN version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7K9GdVdH3I

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>>3705179
>Put a disc on the turn table.

WE DJ NAO!

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Dreamcast.