does anything new become retro in 2017?

Retro isn't about age and dates. It's about style and tone. Nothing that isn't retro now will magically become so just because a calendar changes over.

>>3612915
Says who

Retro is literally defined as 15 years
Vintage is like 15-25
Antique is like 50 and over

>>3612915
>Retro
>Styles relating to the recent past

>>3612918
Sorry but Halo and God of War will never belong on the same board that discusses Sonic and Contra.

I'm starting to think that maybe /v should be current gen and videogame news, while /vr should be everything before the current gen

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>>3612912
>these threads again

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>>3612912

>>3612921
Can you list the reasons why Halo and God of War would not be?

>>3612937
Can you name any reason why they should aside from their age?

>>3612937
1. Not retro

>>3612918
nigga, its literally not.

retro:
imitative of a style or fashion from the recent past

keyword is imitative here, meaning retro is something that copies something old. Like Shovel Knight would be retro as it looks like a NES game. Where actual nes games would be you know, just fucking old.

>>3612927
thes

>>3612939
Halo shares many characteristics with retro games, mainly Goldeneye and Turok.

God of War is also similar to Ocarina of Time and other platforming adventure games.

>>3612945
Even more reason why shit that's 15 years old should just be called "old"

If Halo 1 isn't allowed, then we have to also ban
Alien Resurrection,
Perfect Dark,
Quake 2 and Quake 3 Arena
and there's plenty of others.

>>3612921
I get what you're saying, but the truth is there's now a generation of young adults (not underage b&) whose first experiences with video games were Halo, GTA, and Call of Duty. That's their "retro." The 8-, 16-, and even 32-/64-bit generations are a historical curiosity rather than something they grew up with.

Most of this board feels their "retro" is NES and SNES and Genesis.

But there's a whole section of people who feel that Atari 2600 is their retro and everything else is more modern.

>>3613136
Yeah, the people who are old don't include other people's retro. Just their own personal definition of what "retro" is to them in their lifespan.

>>3612918
Are you proud of making up shit that sounds about right according to your current arbitrary pleasures? That's not how if works, that's never how it worked and that's an idiot's argument.

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>>3612912
No because people here only want to discuss the games/systems they played when they were kids, and nothing else. We have to wait until they die or bored of this board to open it to new systems i fear.

>>3612912
The year 2000 will not ever be anything other than the year 2000
That's the rule.

>>3612915
This idiocy only works for video games, which is why this mindset is autistic and wrong.

>>3612941
Halo is 15 years old, and plays like the fps games that were released a few weeks/months before it. We talk about quake 3 on this board, just remember that.

>>3613160
Cars work that way. Stop shouting and learn a thing or two.

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>it's another "I want my childhood to be retro, too!" thread

Fucking Hiro, make /v2k/ already.

>>3613160
That's how things work. 'Classic' car insurance is applicable on anything ~25 years or older (depending on the state)

"Antiques" aren't actually antique , unless they were made over 100 years ago.

Arbitrary numbers are attached to arbitrary designations

>>3613216
I don't think it is about that, but 6th gen isn't always as easy to have good threads about on v. Sure there are some threads that do but see how far you are going to get with specific obscure games.

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>>3613259

That's why we need /v2k/, to include every game after 2000 except for the current generation.

If we allow 6th gen on /vr/, soon enough people born in the early 00s will start demanding PS3/X360/Wii to be retro too, and /vr/ will be anything but actual retro games.

>>3613250
Good thing the rules of this board state otherwise right?

>>3613216
I mean, shit, I would post there, too. Love retro because I was raised on it, but 6th gen is my jam.

>>3612918
here we have the typical /vr/ fag

>>3613268
This we need this board because the mid 2000 fags will eventually demand the ps4 and xbone along with their older counterparts with the gen before to be put on here.


The sqeakers today are gonna eventually find this board once they are older and try to push the 8th gen as retro on us.

>>3613416
No

>>3612921
The BBC Micro players used to say the same thing about Sonic and Mario.

https://youtu.be/3C2q939jgVc

>>3613469
Ok

>>3612918
>millennial logic

>>3612918
Vintage is related to the time something is made.

"This game is vintage 1998"

Also, it indicates that something is authentic to its apparent age and not a modern reproduction.

"This Earthbound is vintage, not a Chinese repro".

>>3613219
You right about those, but retro and vintage arent designated in that way.

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>>3613216
Create yet another new board when this doom-general has enough space for a new gen.

>>3613268
I agree wholeheartedly. The PS3 just turned 10 years old and I've started seeing posts calling it a retro console... I don't want that shit to come on this board.

>>3613495

>I want my childhood to be retro, too!

>>3613209
>This idiocy only works for video games
Yet by your own admission it works. So there you go. Discussion over.

>>3613529
>Retro means games that were made before 1999, everybody knows that!

>>3613574

>b-but MOOOOOOM!!! Anon doesn't let my childhood to be retro!

>>3612923
There you go "thinking" again.

>>3612912
Gookmoot doesn't give a shit about videogames, let alone retro games. Good luck ever getting the sticky changed.

>>3612918
None of this is true but especially your classification of an antique. You can get antique plates for a car that's only 25 years old.

>>3613584
What else do you expect from a retard who writes /v and /vr?

ITT: demonstrations of why /vr/ is autism incarnate, and was a mistake

>>3612921
>ps2 becomes retro
>/vr/ gets renamed to "vintage games" and is still talking about sonic and contra
>new /vr/ gets created for halo and god of war

makes sense to me

>>3613135
It's bullshit that we can discuss a game made in 2002 just because it's released on a 5th gen console.

Either allow sub 2005 games completely or just ban anything after 1999 no matter what.

>>3613490
Retro and vintage DO fucking work that way.
Retro is fucking specifically designated as 15-20 years old.

You can't be fucking RETRO if you're from the 1950s, and you can't be RETRO if you're from 2015.

Just like you can't be antique if you're from 1990.

Retro style is definitely the early 2000s now. Shit from that era is not modern, at all.

In fact, anything from before the new "slab style" smart phone that apple created in the mid 2000s is definitely retro.

>>3613634
But muh NES homebrew.

>Ancient Egypt

>Retro

There's a retarded group of people who seem to cling to the idea that 1985-1999 is "retro"

The early 2000s are just as retro now as the mid to late 1990s.

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>>3613642

Why specifically 1985? Nobody is gonna bitch about breaking any rules if you want to discuss Atari.

Anyway, /v2k/ makes the most sense to me. /v/'s problem is that it's one of the fastest boards on the site and has a lot of crossposters from pretty much every other board from /b/ to /x/.
Including 6th gen would mean soon enough we'll also have to eat up 7th gen as others have already said. This board already covers a large, important part of video game history, and the semi-slow pace it has is perfect. Meshing different eras that are so different from each other, not really just because of game genres, but more because of how radically the industry changed after Sega died and Xbox entered the game. I'd argue even 5th gen feels a bit weird on here at times. 5th gen was definitely the transitional, hybrid stage.
4th gen and 6th gen are as far as each other can be. 4th gen is definitely closer to the first generation of games, and 6th gen is definitely closer to modern gaming than 4th gen. It's clear that they come from different eras, call it "retro, antique, medieval ages", whatever.

/v2k/ would also contain a large portion of gaming history, 7th gen was fucking large, not to mention during the 00s, PC gaming grew a fucking lot stronger and wildly different than what it used to be on its own way.
With 6th gen and 7th gen you have a board that's at least double the speed /v/ is. Even if it's less generations. Not to mention you would add 8th gen, eventually (in fact I'm sure some shitposters would go "PS4 is retro! the pro is the current gen that's /v/-only!").

So I think it's a thing about board identities. /v/ was split into a lot of different boards, yes, but it is because it was needed, either because of "containment reasons" (/vp/, /vg/) or because of people who genuinely couldn't talk about older stuff on /v/ anymore, like /vr/, /v2k/ would be /vr/'s younger sister. Everyone will love her.

>>3613635
>You can't be fucking RETRO if you're from the 1950s,
I'm pretty sure that's how that term originated, actually.

>>3613634
>It's bullshit that we can discuss a game made in 2002 just because it's released on a 5th gen console.

No it's not bullshit. Sometimes Deus Ex and Diablo get a pass though.

>>3613876
And they shouldn't. Neither Majora's Mask.

>>3613880
Majora's Mask was on a system released before 2000. How hard is that?

>>3613882
I could probably emulate Halo on a PC released before 2000

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OP was clever. He snuck a 6th gen thread past the mods by asking a vague general question and not making it specifically about Gamecube, PS2, etc.

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>>3613887
This is a topic that needs to be discussed now. It's almost 2017 and the 9th gen is upon us.

>>3613891
oh god.

>>3613884
>I could probably emulate Halo on a PC released before 2000

You can't even emulate Xbox games on current PCs retard nor could you play the PC port on a system before 2000.

If you had mentioned it was going to be originally released and playable on a Mac made before 2000 then maybe there would be weight in your argument but you don't know what you are talking about.

>>>/v/

>>3613892
Nintendo is pulling a Dreamcast with their Switch. We're at 8.5 gen right now.

>>3613912
If they fail Nintendo will go as a third party developer?

>>3613887

What? it was pretty obvious.
We have this threads from time to time.

TL;DR of every thread ever is that the rules will not change if hiroyuki doesn't do anything.
On the past "big" debate about /vr/'s rules, when hiroyuki did the QA one or two months ago, the idea of /v2k/ seemed to be popular around here, although there's always people that want to include 6th gen no matter what, at this point, the whole thing is just troll ammunition.
We have these threads countless of times and they never resolve anything, because the rules don't change, and /vr/ is divided into a large group that don't want to change the rules (most likely most regulars) and also a large group who want the rules to change, and who would also be OK with including PS3 and Xbox 360 in 5 years.

Neither side is ever going to agree, so the last work is the site's admin's. In the meantime, these threads serve as shitpost wars.

>>3613919
Eh, I probably should have said they are pulling a 32X after the Sega-CD but who knows if they will fail? They seem to have some 3rd party support right now.

>>3612918
>words mean what i say they mean
>literally
Back to /v/ kid

>>3613136
>young adults
>words mean what i say they mean
You will never be adults. Muh lennials are perpetual children.

>>3613214
Then hop in your console and drive off back to /v/ faggot.

>>3613926
What about 20 years? I think that's old enough. Why not let stuff in once it's 20 years old, or 25?

>>3613985

At this point I think it's just better to make /v2k/ happen.
Read: >>3613670

Rules on /vr/ work, even if arbitrary.
Allowing 6th gen would change this board completely. And eventually we'd have to add more.
5 or 20 years, some people want a board to discuss 6th gen now, and that's what /v2k/ would be for. Also 7th gen and anything non-current. /v2k/ would make for a great board, but would kill /vr/ if they just allow more gens in here.

>>3613993
If /v2k/ is born, Dreamcast would need to be moved there.

Let all the oldies sit here and shitpost about Genesis farts for 24 hours a day, while the real posters move over and talk about everything from Atari, Genesis, Super Nintendo, to Xbox and PS2.

>>3613998

>Atari, Genesis, Super Nintendo

NOT 2K

>>3612915
Have you ever considered that even whats considered retro now doesnt have a defined style? go look at any second or early third gen game and compare that to late fourth gen, and compare that to fourth and fifth, and compare those to arcade games. It's clear that the games during each era all have different aesthetics and styles based on whats popular, something during the days where space invaders was the most popular is nowhere near the same as something during the days of mascot platformers. the idea that all retro games feel similar is a falacy and only used by autists scared of the influx of people that will come from adding sixth gen and indie pixel shit devs who only ever played NES or gameboy usually. Stop making sixth gen a boogeyman and accept that one day well over the retro limit, and you still exclude it, everyone else will consider it retro.

>>3614019
That's what this anon was trying to say
>>3613137
There's basically no similarity in Atari 2600's "Adventure" and the Super Nintendo's RPGs. "Retro" means very different things.

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>>3614025

SNES RPGs are closer to 70s/early 80s cRPGs than to modern ones like Fallout or Final Fantasy XV, which 6th gen RPGs are closer to.

>>3614031

By Fallout I meant Fallout 3 on wards, not the first two.

>>3614031
Thats still not the point, while yes they're closer, they're still very different, a better example would be the evolution of platformers or fighting games.

>>3614041

Fighting games didn't even exist back in the 70s, and only fetuses of the upcoming fighting genre existed in the 80s, Yie-Ar Kung Fu being probably the closest game to Street Fighter before it.
Platformers can also be tracked back to the early 80s with games like Pitfall, Smurf, Donkey Kong and DK jr.
Side-scrollers is a different thing because technology wasn't there yet, I think the first one was Pac-Land in 1984, then the world famous Super Mario Bros.
Platformers during the 8 and 16 bit, where the genre bloomed, was still closer to Atari, Coleco and early 80s arcade gaming than to 6th, 7th or 8th gen top platformers like Jak and Dexter, Super Mario Galaxy or Sonic Adventure 2.

The leap between 4th and 5th gen is FAR greater than the leap from 5th to 6th.

So, I'm still not sure what the fuck the logic is on that.

>>3614060
Still, for fighting games thats exactly my point, abd what you said about genres becoming more refined with time applies just as much to sixth gen with 3D platformers, or 3D games as a whole. there is no reason besides age that sixth gen isnt retro, and people against it know full well thats true. They just wanna get rilled up about "MUH UNDERAGE" from the influx of people to talk about sixth gen.

>>3614082
Its not about style though its about age, despite what /vr/ autists say.

>>3614084

Yeah of course there is a big grey line, the isn't anything black and white. /vr/'s rules are arbitrary because otherwise people wouldn't come into terms on what is "retro" and what not, that's the whole point.

Of all possible solutions, I think the 1999 limit line is the one that hurts the least. Even if it includes allowing DC but not GBA.

As for 3D games, there has been 3D games ever since the 80s aswell, games like Battlezone and other wireframe games for example, but 3D didn't really took off until the mid 90s with 5th gen, that's why I said 5th gen is a hybrid/transitional generation. It would stay on /vr/ because of the 1999 rule, but I could also see it being discussed on /v2k/... then again, many people who started playing games on 6th gen finds going back to 5th gen very difficult, so in the end I'd say 5th gen is more at home at /vr/.

>>3614087
WE know it's about age. Which is why technology and gaming styles from 2001 is old as fuck now.

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>>3614094

Upgraded 2D Gaming, Crude 3D Gaming
-Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, etc.
This is the era where 2D Gaming is continually evolving. Bigger stories, longer games, better graphics, more colors. Very crude, rudimentary 3D begins mostly on the Genesis, but then on the SNES with the FX chip and SVP chip on the Genesis. Modern game design begins, but is limited due to the controllers at the time - (one of the quoted reasons Mario 64 was moved to the Nintendo 64)


Dying 2D Gaming, Early 3D Gaming
-Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, PlayStation
This is the era that 2D begins to die, and the era that arcade ports are starting to fade as arcades themselves die out.

We are introduced to modern gaming, 3D analog sticks, and fully exploitable multi-level, huge and massive worlds that could never have existed before. Games span multiple CDs and can take days to complete. Memory cards become standard as many games now take multiple days to complete.

>>3612918
>Playstation 2 is "vintage"
as a PS2 lover, this statement makes me puke

>>3614094
Yes, but /v2k/ is a temporary solution, over the years that 1999 limit is gonna look more and more dated and hindering because time isnt always gonna be stuck in this sort of trantional period sixth gen is in forever, unlike what /vr/ autists want. pretty soon /v2k/ is gonna be redundant, illogical, and obsolete as in the next five to ten years 7th gen will drift into the trantional phase 6th gen is in just like what happened to third, fourth and fifth. and those had the same sort of "not retro" complaints about "style" lodged at them. its a never ending cycle weather you likeit or not and eventually it will happen to generations not even concieved of yet, its the nature of how time progesses for this and we need to accept it.

People who just want a board to discuss like... 85-99...

I hope you realize your board will be dying quickly in the next few years after you've literally exhausted all topics and just have repeating topics about emulation and farting genesis.

>>3614115

>Yes, but /v2k/ is a temporary solution

How? It would solve the problem that in /v/ you can't discuss games that aren't in the latest news.
Eventually, as 7th, 8th etc generations pass by, their discussion will go to /v2k/. It's gonna be a board that will have constant additions, it's not a temporary solution.

>that 1999 limit is gonna look more and more dated

That's fine, the board will not change. But that's the whole thing. One big group want /vr/ to change and another big group want it to stay this way.

/v2k/ seems like the most fair solution.

>>3614121

>85-99

You keep posting this, but there isn't any rules that say it's 1985, where did you get that from? You can discuss anything pre-2000 here, from the 70s and early 80s and whatever earliest kind of video game you can find, it's alright on this board.

>your board will die, you exhausted all topics

yeah yeah we've read posts like yours in the past, and /vr/ is still alive. Thanks for caring.

>>3614125
>ou keep posting this, but there isn't any rules that say it's 1985, where did you get that from? You can discuss anything pre-2000 here, from the 70s and early 80s and whatever earliest kind of video game you can find, it's alright on this board.

Dude, the entire board is 90% Nintendo and Sega and Sony.

>>3614123
>That's fine, the board will not change.
then the board will die with you

>>3614127

And? You're still free to make a thread about any game from any company you want.

>>3614135
Alright, call me when it finally happens, in the meantime you can't post 6th gen on /vr/

>>3614123
You honestly think that people on /v2k want to talk about 7th, 8th, or 9th gen? The entire point of /v2k/ is 6th gen games from the early and mid 2000s, and no matter what that 1999 limit will go, weather it be when 7th or 8th gen try to go to this hypothetical /v2k/, or when the 6G retro push wins, or when everyone pushing this 1999 limit dies, but it will go, and then a whole new generation will face the same problem, and people will suggest a /v2010/ or something just as short term and rediculous, until one of the same three ultimatums end up happening. This is something we need to adress already, no more short term fixes, no more ignoring these threads or deleting them, we need to solve this soon, or its only gonna get worse.

>>3614152
This is exactly the problem, quit dodging the question and adress the issue, coward.

>>3614142
>And? You're still free to make a thread about any game from any company you want.

Oh wow, that's why they die with 5 fucking posts.

>>3614145
>You honestly think that people on /v2k want to talk about 7th, 8th, or 9th gen?

In time, yes.

If /v2k/ would be made right now it'd include 6th and 7th gen.
7th gen is already 10 years old. But it would be ridiculous on /vr/ along with NES and 80s computer threads.

>>3614145
>and people will suggest a /v2010/ or something just as short term and rediculous

/vr/ covers more than just 1 decade.

>This is something we need to adress already, no more short term fixes, no more ignoring these threads or deleting them, we need to solve this soon, or its only gonna get worse.

Eh, we've had this thread countless of times, and nothing ever gets solved. It's just meta and off topic.

Mail 4chan's admin, and make sure to post when he's doing QAs and see if he responds anything to you.

>>3614160

Because /vr/ is a slow board, it at least has more chances to survive.
If 6th gen is allowed here as you want, you would have even less chances to discuss Atari or anything pre-3rd gen.

>>3614167
>Because /vr/ is a slow board, it at least has more chances to survive.

No, because /vr/ is a NINTENDO, SONY, SEGA board.

It's fucking predominately 1990-1999.

>>3614082
I don't really feel that way. When you compare something like Super Nintendo to N64, and N64 to Gamecube, the 4th-5th gen leap seems much more significant than 5th to 6th.

But if you look at general trends in games from those times, then the 5th to 6th was a bigger leap than 4th to 5th. Remember 3d games were already fairly common towards the latter half of the 4th gen.

Take the best selling console games from the 5th gen, many (Mario 64, OoT, FFVII, Mario Kart) are just 3d translations of existing 4th gen games. The top 5 best selling games for 6th gen are 3 GTA's and 2 gran turismos. On PC 6th gen saw WoW and MMO boom. Also, while FPS was invented in the 4th gen and really only marginally improved in the 5th gen, it was in the 6th gen that Halo transformed console FPS into what they are today.

TL;DR Graphically 5th was a bigger leap than 6th, but gameplay-wise a lot more changed in the 6th generation of gaming.

>>3614171
>When you compare something like Super Nintendo to N64, and N64 to Gamecube, the 4th-5th gen leap seems much more significant than 5th to 6th.

That's what I said.

>>3614171
>Also, while FPS was invented in the 4th gen and really only marginally improved in the 5th gen, it was in the 6th gen that Halo transformed console FPS into what they are today.

Name 1 difference between Goldeneye 007 on N64 and Halo on Xbox.

If you say "graphics," you prove my point.

>>3614169

And you're still free to make any thread of any game you want as long as it's before the year 2000, isn't that wonderful?

If 6th gen is allowed, /vr/ would be NINTENDO, SONY, MICROSOFT, the problem you have with big major companies being the most popular would persist.
And since it would be more traffic, it'd make for threads of older games like Atari 2600, Vectrex, 80s computers, etc harder and harder to keep alive.

>>3614173

Wasn't online play Halo's major selling point (and the Xbox as a whole)?

>>3614164
>Eh, we've had this thread countless of times, and nothing ever gets solved. It's just meta and off topic. Mail 4chan's admin, and make sure to post when he's doing QAs and see if he responds anything to you.

Nice, exactly my point, you don't want to adress it, you want to be lazy and a coward and cover your eyes and ears and pretend everything is fine. But its not fine, there is a problem and we need to fix it.

>/vr/ covers more than just 1 decade.

Irrelevant, a /v2k/ will still eventually be obsolete and so will the 1999 limit and you and all your kind dont care, you only want to finda quick fix, so you can wave off the problem and gloat "See! We WERE right about it not being retro, look how happy the kiddos on /v2k/ are! our club is safe!" its short sighted, lazy, arrogant, and stupid.

>>3614176
Halo 1 did not have online play.

Next.

>>3614176

Online play was the Dreamcast's major selling point. It was a huge deal and they even gave away free Dreamcasts if you signed up for 2 years of Sega.Net.

So, in general, Online play can't be used as a defense of anything "retro" as long as Dreamcast is "retro."

Aside from that fact, Halo only had 4 player local, like Goldeneye, or system link.

>>3614178
>Nice, exactly my point, you don't want to adress it, you want to be lazy and a coward and cover your eyes and ears and pretend everything is fine. But its not fine, there is a problem and we need to fix it.

How am I a coward? I am outright telling you how you can actually make a difference: email Hiroyuki, and try to be there when he does QAs.
Discussing here the same thing over and over doesn't actually change anything about /vr/, and you come off as a whiny kid.

>Irrelevant, a /v2k/ will still eventually be obsolete and so will the 1999 limit and you and all your kind dont care, you only want to finda quick fix, so you can wave off the problem and gloat "See! We WERE right about it not being retro, look how happy the kiddos on /v2k/ are! our club is safe!" its short sighted, lazy, arrogant, and stupid.

Actually I am not on any "side", so I wouldn't make any gloat about being "right" or anything, seems more like a projection on your part.
I genuinely think /v2k/ would be the best solution, I would use that board.

>>3614181
Unless members start actively, you know, posting 6th gen threads like they should be, then the mods will have to make a change.

>>3614181
Alright, maybe you yourself arent a coward, but the vast majority of people who share your opinions are and fall into the catagory of what I described. As for discussion here, if theres enough of it and we all find an agreement, it will carry more weight than just one person like you or me emailing Hiroyuki, and I still feel that maybe you know that, and just want to ignore it, but I'll take your word for it.

>>3614182

No, mods will keep deleting them because rules, and the only person who can change rules or change boards/make new boards is Hiroyuki. How hard is that to understand?

You aren't some e-Che Guevara fighting for a revolution, anon, you come off as a newfag who recently stepepd into /vr/ and was angry when he found out his childhood wasn't allowed here. People like you come all the time to /vr/ and their threads always end up the same way. They also start chimping out making "hey guys I just got this retro console!" with PS2 or Xbox pictures, and they get deleted. Because it's against the rules.

Again, the biggest, most serious discussion on /vr/ was some time ago when Hiroyuki was talking about cutting off some boards and stuff. Hiro doesn't even seem to care that much about what happens to /vr/ so for the time being, we'll stay this way. If eventually something changes, then it will happen, but again, posting meta on /vr/ won't solve anything, anon. Try to understand that.

>>3614193
>As for discussion here, if theres enough of it and we all find an agreement, it will carry more weight than just one person like you or me emailing Hiroyuki

There will still be 2 opposing groups.

I'm bringing up /v2k/ because that was precisely the idea that seemed to be more neutral and that most people agreed with in previous discussions.
Before that, people were telling 6th genners to go to /v/ or /vg/, so it's an advancement. I really like the idea of /v2k/.

>>3614197
Yes it fucking will, you honestly think hiroyuki is gonna care what one person says rather than if we all came to a decission? Its not about some revolution, its about ending the immature bitching coming from both sides.

>>3614202
Alright, but thats still ignoring the fact /v2k/ is a temporary solution, nobody in the next 10 to 15 years will like /v2k/ because the general concensus will be that it is retro.

>>3614173
>>3614176

I really should have said Halo 2, which sold considerably better and was more influential than the first one due to online play. I honestly forgot the first one didn't have it.

>>3614207
>if we all came to a decission?

It won't happen, and /v2k/ is the closest there was to an agreement between both sides.

>>3614210

/v2k/ would be for non-current gens after the year 2000. It would make sense that people find 6th gen old, but it would still fit the criteria of the board and you would be able to still discuss it. Eventually people are going to find 7th gen old, too, I bet some people already do, those who grew up with it.

/vr/ covers anything since the very first video games to 1999.

Both boards could co-exist, it isn't a temporary solution.

>>3614216
Listen, there we go again "closest thing to a decission" another way of ignoring the fact it's temporary. how hard is it to understand? /v2k/ WILL BE OBSOLETE. Listen I understand a lot of people are scared or trying to avoid the influx of underage anons, I am too and I understand want /vr/ to never change, but it will happen eventually and we need to learn to live with and adapt to it. Ignoring, pushing away the problem, or finding temporary sollutions however is just as immature as the anons you are scared of. just as they are your boogeyman for 6th gen, you are theirs for retro games.

>>3614231

>scared
>adapt

I'm not scared, if /vr/'s rules changes then so be it, my life doesn't depend on this board. I'm just trying to give a sort of neutral view on it. Even though I think /vr/ should stay this way and /v2k/ would be a good idea, I encourage you to push your idea, but making meta threads here isn't gonna do it, you may earn some sympathizers, but you will also gain new enemies who will make the opposing group larger as well.

I'm not ignoring, I'm trying to tell you that these threads have been done countless times already and they never bring any solution.
Again /v2k/ was the closest there was, if you think it would only be a temporary solution that's fine, you can use that argument to Hiro, but you won't convince the people who already think a certain way, just as how you won't be convinced that /vr/ should stay pre-2000 forever.

>>3614223
>non current games after 2000
That would imply, that everything after 1999 besides whatever is current fits, and soon 6th gen discussion will die, even though thats what /v2k/ was made for. That is why it's a temporary fix.

>>3614231
>trying to avoid the influx of underage anons
Too late.

>>3614236
You know what, you're right, and to be honest I never meant you personally, I meant the vast majority of people who think this way. However since I don't feel I can push this sort of idea alone, I have nowhere else to gain support, hence why I rely on meta threads. Thank you for being mature about this, honestly I know I can get immature at times but I really do feel this is the only solution.

>>3614237

/v2k/ wouldn't be made specifically for 6th gen, it would be made, precisely, to every gen non-current.

I don't think 6th gen discussion would die so easily. /vr/ has mainly 4th and 5th gen discussion, but 3rd gen still has its well deserved place, the same will happen to 6th gen.
/vr/ also has some, discussion from older stuff, it's not the most popular, but it's still there, you can come to /vr/ and make a thread about 2nd gen, sometimes it gets more replies, sometimes less, but it can be done.

If /vr/ keeps adding stuff, especially popular gens like 6th and eventually 7th as well, gen 2 and earlier wouldn't have a place anymore, or any chance to get any thread going.

It will take a longass time for 6th gen to become an obscure old thing, again, 3rd gen is actually old but still pretty popular. 6th gen will be fine on /v2k/.

The ps2 is old ass hardware

>>3614336

So is the PS3 at this point. Remember the POWER OF THE CELL? Nostalgia...

>>3614259
I guess that makes sense, but I feel like its also invalidating them ever being retro, despite everything eventually becoming retro, to be honest its semantics and at this point I doubt anyone's opinion will change including myself.

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What's the highest end 1999 computer i can build i need to find the newest game i can get to run so i can shitpost and anger the mods.

>>3614386

>anger the mods

lol

>>3612912
The xbox 360 and ps3 should be getting close to retro right

>>3614426

>people who were 10 when ps360 released are now 20

Either /v2k/ is made, or it's the end of /vr/ if the hordes of post-millennial rage flood the board with organized shitposting to force their childhood as retro.

>>3614438
/vr/ ended the second summer of it's existence. It's been /v/ lite ever since. Making /v2k/ won't stop the baby cancer from shitting this place up. By all means give it to them. But it won't help. /vr/ is kill.

Playstation is trash.

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>>3614438
>people who were 10 when ps360 released are now 20
>mfw majority of /v/ users aren't even 20 yet

>>3612918

if i'm talking to my non-retro-appreciating friends, i tell them that ps2 is retro. it's just easier that way.

... but ps2 isn't retro. it's just old.

>>3612912
>>3612918
Sorry Billy, your PS3 will never be retro

>>3616009
Sorry anon,
When games are holographic and we wear headsets, PS3 will indeed be retro.

>>3616059
Not on /vr/

>>3612918
>Antique is like 50 and over

Antique is actually 100 years or more.

>>3613635
>Retro is fucking specifically designated as 15-20 years old
By whom?

And why should we use their definition instead of the one in the rules of the site we're using?

>>3613130
While I don't disagree that Halo and GoW should eventually be considered "retro", I disagree with those reasons.

>>3614121
>farting genesis.
I thought that said "farting penises" for a sec.

>>3614342
Not to mention the Emotion Engine.

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>>3612912
>we have these threads all the time

I define retro as "doesn't use digital audio/video output".

>>3613259
>6th gen isn't always as easy to have good threads about on v.
Yes it is. Maybe you should make better threads.

>>3618434
>people will argue about anything all the time

ftfy

>>3613937
>Muh lennials are perpetual children.

t. Millennial who thinks he's special because he's 30.

>>3612921
>retro will never be compared to vintage

no shit

I like to think of old gaming as "not modern".
Modern gaming started on 7th gen. Online multiplayer, dlc, "checking for updates", accounts, "some piece of shit is online", achievements, consoles that browse youtube, day 1 early access season pass goty edition exclusive hats and whatever else I hear exists now.

6th gen systems were pretty much the same thing as in the NES days, except with better technical power. Just stick the game into the console and play to 100% completion and that's all there is to it.

Also >>3618436

>>3620417
6th gen was transitionary. The PS2 and Xbox had netplay too. I won't pretend that outright makes it identical to [achievement unlocked - watch dew and doritos ad in youtube app!] but still.

The Dreamcast did too, of course, but that's different because it died so early

>>3620260
Project harder baby

>>3612937
Because theyre worthless shit and litterally destroyed thier respective genres. Go back to /v/ you fucking faggot.

There isn't a set year anything becomes retro, but everything eventually does. Back when the PS2/GC just hit calling the gen before it, or even SNES, retro would have been retarded

PS3/360 and all that shit will be retro too someday

>>3621087
>There isn't a set year
There is. Read the sticky kiddo.

Eventually /vr/ will have to allow ps2/gc/xbox/gba/ds etc.

And IMO that's fine we have been discussing the same shit for a long long time and there's only so much you can say about things that have finished and will remain the same. A lot of these repeated threads are already stale as fuck.

>>3621609
That year will shift with time. That is how "retro" works.

At this point, retro has nothing to do with time.
It's entirely "We're right and they're wrong."

>>3621609
>If a mod says so, it must be true
Modern 4chan kids.

If /v/ is so shitty that you can't talk about PS2 games, why is /vr/ the one that has to change?

>>3622906
Because the PS2 deserves better.

>>3622876
No it's not. You're a fool

>>3622903
Mods make the rules kiddo. Deal with it or fuck of back to /v/

>>3620417
Some Xbox Classic games had DLC that unlocks data on the disc.

>>3623472
I should've said "few that I know of" not "some"

You're mom is retro

>>3623597
close your eyes

>>3623456
"no it's not!! you're a fool!!"

"how does it work then?"

"LOOK I JUST DON'T WANT PS2 AND THE OTHERS IN BECAUSE I WANT TO DISCUSS LOTUS TURBO CHALLENGE II EVERY DAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING TO BE SAID HAS BEEN SAID NOW"

>>3624570
TURPENTINE got rid of the time limit btw

good opening song on the amiga

>>3624570
Damn, you are one seriously angry baby. Feel free to discus PS2 on your containment board faggot.

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>>3614106
>Very crude, rudimentary 3D begins mostly on the Genesis
Ahem...X-wing, Death Track, Ultima Underworld, Skyroads, Stunts, Red baron...

>>3622890

For the most part, yes, but there have been some interesting posts with actual points like this >>3613670

>>3612912
Geforce 2 did! It's been deemed an elegant solution to allow everything pre vertex & pixel shaders.