/CRT Thread : Whistling Away

Someone said its bad to run a crt with no sync, will it hurt my BVM 1910 when I turn off the SNES to put in a new cart? I was trying out different roms yesterday on my SD2SNES and each time I turned on the SNES, it took longer for my BVM to sync (everything goes haywire when its first turned on then it seems to tune it in after a couple of seconds). But concerned about how it took longer each time I tried out a new game. Is this not good for the old 1988 BVM?

>>3576065
Almost all CRTs will generate own timing (free running mode) as long they don't get any sync to lock into.
The only CRT that I'm aware of that doesn't do that is one of the monochrome monitors for the IBM 5150, it could literally catch fire (or smell like burnt wires) if it's runs for some time without computer connected (or turned on).

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Friendly reminder not to fall for the SCART, RGB, or PVM memes.

>>3576205
good luck sticking with your composite on flatscreens mate

>>3576205
don't fall for the don't fall meme

>>3576052
dents and scratches, dents and scratches everywhere

>>>3576053
How is it possible to get component out of it? Those RCA-BNC adapters?

>>3576478
>RCA-BNC adapters
exactly, Y to red, P to green, Br to blue.

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Keep hunting my friends

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Has anyone made a Lakkabox out of a pc to emulate on a CRT?
I tried to connect my CRT TV to the pc with this vga > scart cable and I'm getting a rolling screen. (it has the RGB SCART symbol on the back so I'm sure it can take rgb.)
Something to do with sync I'm sure. Is there any settings in Lakka I can change for this to work or am I doomed to CRT computer monitors and shaders?

>>3576550
You must enable CSync, if you can't then you built the wrong cable.
Also:
>the 100nF cap on the left, connected to Blue ground instead of generic ground
WHY?
>no other ground pins used besides RGB ground
Who the fuck made this?

>>3576565
some guy. I have no idea.
I don't suppose you have a schematic that isn't full retard?

>>3576571
Just leave the cap on the left out and connect VGA pin 10 to SCART pin 17 and VGA pin 5 to SCART pin 18.
However, did you find the CSync option yet?
If you can't enable it (this heavily depends on the graphics card) then you have combine H/V Sync into CSync.

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Do AV switchers like this cause any problems? Lag or anything?
Minor signal degradation isn't a huge deal as my CRT sucks anyway.

>>3576576
no Csync option in the video settings tab on Lakka.
and by connect do you mean adding a cable or moving any of the existing ones? I'm using a cat6 cable as it had the "correct number of wires" for that schematic.

If i need more wires I guess I can chop up an old VGA cable and use the second VGA male I ordered for when I inevitably fuck something up

>>3576582
the one in the picture does

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>>3576052
what would you play on a 36 incher? too overwhelmed and have been nibbling in the few games I have installed on my PS2 HDD.

>>3576684
time crisis

>>3576694
No guncon unfortunately.

>tfw 20L5
>tfw don't even care about Gamecube anymore
What else out there besides the 5 PS2 games that support 480p? I gotta put this thing to good use.

>>3576735
>5 PS2 games
GSM selector is a thing

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>>3576550

>schematic

>>3576710

Buy one it's completely worth it for Time Crisis 2 and 3.

Get one of those $8 adapters that break out the red-yellow-white rca but still give you the multi-out.

Then you can play with the guncon plugged into the yellow adapter, while you use component video for the best picture.

>>3576735

>20L5

Do you have FreeMcBoot yet?

Do you own a slim PS2 or a fat one?

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>>3576739
well you know. me not really knowing what I'm doing coupled with not knowing all the bits in english makes me say things I don't really understand.

>>3576684

get a RGB -> Component transcoder

Oh, sometime soon I'm sending an AOC VGA CRT to the electronic recycler, since the desktop that used to be connected to it has been dealt with.
Should I not?

>>3576735
The Wii has some good stuff imo, with component cables that don't cost you the price of a new console

>>3576576
>>3576597
sorry bout this, but helpful anon seems to be gone.
anybody know how to sort this shitshow out?
>>3576550

My CRT looks like there's light hitting it near the top when the screen is blank, but I think the light is coming from behind the screen? What could be causing this?

>>3576651
Could you be more specific please?

I just got a CRT and I'm currently trying to calibrate it. Any tips on what to set pincusion and trapezoid settings to?

>>3576951
Whatever makes the picture right dude.

It's pretty cut and dried once you get a test pattern up on the screen.

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>>3576958
How does this look? I was having really bad distortions at the top of the screen before.

>>3576987
I'd be more than happy with it, CRTs are never going to be absolutely perfect. It's just the nature of the beast.

Any "real" content is going to be pretty much as good as it gets, geometry wise.

>>3576993
Thanks I'm really impressed with this monitor.

>>3576735

Wii Nintendont can force 480p for gamecube games.

3rd party component cables are around 5 bucks (ring a little bit), 1st party ones are only like $30.

A gamecube + $300 cable is slightly sharper, but, you know, $300.

>>3576987
Damn, I envy you. I have 3 crts and all of them have one corner or side which is less than perfect so that I have to use a bit of overscan to hide the problem.

>>3577109
I got it brand new on ebay in packaging an all.

>>3576738
A what?

>>3577163

There's a special version of OPL that has GSM included in the build.

GSM lets you force games into 480p.

The practical effect is that you can play games off your hard drive and render them at 480p. You might need to correct the horizontal scaling, some games use weird non-square pixels (MGS, Okami). 20L5 can do it from service menu, Enter + Degauss.

Xploder HDTV elf is available at isozone, this one only works with retail disks but has the best compatibility.

>>3576408
That's what happens when a muffler is haphazardly thrown in next to it, which then falls into it on the ride home. But hey, free is free.

>>3576798
CRTs need both horizontal and vertical sync in order to operate correctly.

You have the horizontal sync connected, meaning the image is likely stable on a horizontal plane, but as you said, it's rolling and as such isn't receiving vertical sync. Vertical sync on a VGA connector is pin 14, which you don't have connected.

Certain video cards (I know my AMD 6950 does, as does my ATI x600) have an option in their settings to enable CSync. What this does is make the GPU output both H and V sync over Pin 13. This would give you both the needed syncs for a stable image.

If your GPU doesn't support this, you'll need to find some other solution for combining together H and V sync into CSync to be fed to your CRT. There are different circuits you can built that do this, and certain sets will accept the two just connected in parallel, but this is a dirty method of doing it and can technically cause damage to your GPU. I personally use an Extron RGB Interface to go from RGBHV over a VGA connector to RGBS which would be suitable for a SCART connector.

I hope that going through all of this, you've already dealt with the resolution mismatch between a PC(31khz/480p+) and SD CRT's 15khz 240p/480i.

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>tfw played everything from my NES to my 360 on an old low end 20 something inch Apex CRT through composite

>parents got me a 32" flat-screen because they "feel bad" I've been using such an old TV in this day and age

>CRT tucked away in corner since I don't have space for another TV stand and TV anywhere

Feels bad guys, I miss playing my older systems, and I'm not even going to try plugging them into my new TV.

Might as well use this as an opportunity to upgrade that crap to something small with at least S-Video and hopefully component and keep it on my desk.
Wish me luck guys. I'm hoping for a small Trinitron or something, if they even made small ones.

Shitty pic related.

>>3576735

There's a lot of good games for the original Xbox that support 480P, with a couple doing 720p/1080i

>>3576582
>>3576945
If it doesn't plug into an outlet, it's a passive switch. Passive switches don't introduce lag.

Poorly grounded switches can cause audio to carry an audible hum, this can be corrected with minor soldering. A switch like the one pictured only carries composite, ideally you'd get a switch that can also carry s-video and component video.

AV switches are a must for 100/120 series trinis, and really all consumer models with only one s-video or component input.

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I'm buying a CRT projector for a steal next weekend. I know it will be an ungodly pain in the ass to actually use. What do you guys think of projectors?

>>3577570
it adds latentcy due to the image having to be projected on the screen

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>>3577585
good one mang

>>3577570
I have fond memories of playing 4 player splitscreen on a projector and not being able to see shit because the game's resolution was so low

>>3577570
They're great for movies stored on analog support, but for video games that has scores displayed up there all the time, I think they might tend to burn-in.

>>3577274
I'm starting to think I don't have any sync at all. screen is scrolling real fast on the horizontal plane and it looks like it's scrolling on the vertical as well.
I assumed the HD 4850 would have sync
Can I access gpu settings thru terminal (putty) on lakka? the ones in the video tab seems to be a bit lacking.

>>3577704
I have no experience with Lakka, I'm just speaking about how things work on the default drivers and through Windows.

Is this a normal SD CRT? Do you/is there a way to have Lakka output the proper low resolution for that sort of display? I know explicitly that it's doable via other Linux distros with xrandr, but whether Lakka has an easy way to do that, I have no idea.

>>3577747
it's a small TV that has rgb scart. there are a few threads about people making Lakka output 15khz 240p to their arcade monitors, but it seems to mostly involve rpi's and similar.
Lakka might be lacking in what I want it to do. might have to resort to windows and just use retroarch so I can have crt drivers and powerstrip for the correct output.

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My first eBaby TV! Ain't she cute?

>>3578198
KV-16WT1?
I was going to pick one of those up recently but dithered a little too long.

How is it? I do like those Super Trinitron Wide sets.

>>3578228
KV-WS1D actually. I don't have the remote yet so the picture's looking kinda shit and stuck in 4:3 mode.

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>>3577501
Sony made some 14" Trinitrons with component, they're probably crisp as a mother fucker. Finding a 14" TV with S-Video should be easy enough though, and at that size S-Video vs. Component isn't really that big a difference.

Best of luck.

>>3578228
I've got a KV-16WT1 set up. If its scanlines you want then look elsewhere. The TV is pretty fantastic otherwise.

What's the best way to play retro games on a CRT monitor?

>>3578460
I've got four BVM 20-inchers for scanlines, just liked the idea of a diddy wide-screen set with built-in stereo sound.

I'm guessing the tube is around 450-500tvl which would make it plenty sharp for a screen that size.

>>3578463
Wii yourself

>>3578243
Luckily all you need is an RM-883 which is like the most successful remote of all time.

Seriously, they're fucking everywhere and cheap as chips.

>>3578314
Awesome, I definitely know what to look for now. Appreciate the info, anon. Thank you.

>>3578314

You can get multiformat PVMs at 14" or 8" pretty easily if you want to go balls to the wall

Any tips for taking photos of CRTs? They always come out unfocused and not as sharp looking for me.

>>3578680
>multiformat pvm
>pretty easily

What planet are you from

any tips for taking photos? i'm using a DSLR with wide angle lens

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>>3578735
Yeah not that easy, but 14" PVMs are probably the most common and most affordable monitors on the high end market.

Anyway I'm the guy that recently picked up a Sony KV24FS120. Here's another pic of muh grid. I tried adjusting tilt, and as you can see there's some pretty harsh V ANGLE issues. I looked into getting the service menu booted up, but I don't have the remote. I saw somewhere that display, vol+, 5, then power should get me in, and I just wanna make sure that's right. I tried using the IR sensor on a phone to use an app, and said app even had all the buttons, but I couldn't get it to work. Maybe the display function on modern Sonys have different signals? I need to press them faster maybe? Has anyone here ever successfully accessed service menus using phones?

any way to cancel out the ~15k sound crts make? my crt is a screamer

>>3577501
>>parents got me a 32" flat-screen
>Feels bad guys
yeah a few years ago my dad got me a flat screen sony television I didn't need, and I gave it away after a few months. He died early this spring and I feel like a dick. Don't take it for granted dude.

>>3578760
They all are, it's just something you have to deal with.

>>3578735

I mean "They can be found easily on ebay for prices affordable by anyone with a grown-up job"

20" multiformats are available but expensive, and beyond that gets very difficult to find.

>>3578759
the combination probably triggers a special signal in the remote.

>>3578759
Have tv on then press Power off, Display, Volume +, Power on.

Wega sometimes won't let you enter service unless your tv was already on and you then turned it off to enter the service input codes. Sometimes on universal remotes you just press Display, 5, Power on. But that was older televisions.

Good luck. I have had 15 Wegas from 20 to 36 inches, and all of the flat ones have had some fixable issues, and some that are never going away. My 36 is perfect except there is a little rolling in the bottom middle left screen when running in a game like Sonic and Mario.

>>3578834
>>3578759
For some reason when I copied it deleted the 5....

Have tv on then press Power off, Display, 5,
Volume +, Power on.

>>3578759
>Anyway I'm the guy that recently picked up a Sony KV24FS120.
My neighbor has one they're trying to get rid of for $20 and says it's in great condition. Should I go for it?

>>3578760
>>3578774
Mine are quiet as a mouse but I suspect it's a combination of my 30-something ears, one having 4k hours and the other may have had a replacement flyback not too long ago.

>>3578823
Please don't give me that "grown up job" bit. Anyone with budgeting skills can afford to buy one off eBay it's just the difference of do you have to save up over a month several months or a year.

Multiformats are hard to come by especially when someone doesn't want to spend more than what they know it's worth. That doesn't mean the individual is lacking a "grown up job".

Please don't try to sound so elitist and belittle others' jobs

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>>3578845
If its good for your set up, definitely go for it. Beautiful set, probably the second best consumer CRT you can get next to an XBR. Component looks absolutely killer. I would probably just ask to test it out and boot up 240p test suite or a game you're familiar with to test it out and see if there are any deal breaking issues, but if you're familiar with calibrating CRTs it shouldn't be that big a deal. And the 24" mark is perfect CRT size imo.

>>3578836
I tried again, and still nothing. I even tried using input instead of display, still no dice. Maybe what >>3578830 said is true?
Kind of pissed now, the lady I got it from said I wouldn't need the remote since the buttons are there. Kinda wish I had asked for it.

I found a listing online for a little beat up but functioning remote for $5, might as well just bite.

>>3577501
look for a toshiba

>>3576052
will any manufacturer ever make new CRT's again? Surely they recognise the appeal?

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>>3579274
They surely don't. Think about how niche a demographic we are. You have to be into retro video games - that's a gimme. At least into arcade stuff or fighting games or something. You then have to be aware of the benefits of a CRT, have room for a CRT, have the furniture for a CRT, and have the necessary hook ups to make it actually look decent. Considering the price ceiling of making high end CRT displays, taking that plunge and betting on such a niche market would be crazy. I'm sure gamers looking to take a look back at their gaming past after finding the super nintendo in the attic would find it much easier to plug into their HDTV and play without thinking about lag and blurryness and scanlines.

I believe it was in the last thread, someone found a Japanese company still making projector tubes from like 8" and under for use by an army for latency free training. Modern analog TVs look sexy to say the least, but putting them in mass production at sizes like 20" and up would just be far too big an investment.

Pic related, said japanese company's website. Picture those 7" cuties blown up to sleek silver 20+ displays.

>>3578760
Some are worse than others. None of my trinis whine too bad, but my 12 Insignia emits a really awful high pitch when running

>>3578198
Kawaii! Good score

Pic of back?

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hobby officially ruined

>>3579967
>jewyork
>land of the rich hipster jew
the internet really was a mistake. also I have a faulty 14m4u I got for almost free. really not worth it especially since its only SD and not multiformat.

For the BVM Extended Menu - if the password has been changed from default and you don't know it, is the best/only option to just brute force every combination? is there any lockout mechanism or anything to prevent it?

>>3576743

>20L5
>free20L5
>free20L5guy

>>3579995
Have you tried 53415?

Apparently it's some sort of "skeleton key" password. Certainly worked on my two BVMs (which I know the "real" passwords for)

>>3580036
I haven't tried anything yet (at work), but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks

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>not being a RF coaxial master race
It's like you dont like to ride the waves
Maximum nostalgia desu

>>3579967
>>3579983
Woah woah calm down I already contacted this person. Apparently they got the price off the broadcast store because they had no idea what the price of one of these should be.

Very nice person I gave them the breakdown of all the prices from eBay to local meetups. They'll be switching it soon. I told them $130 was average

>>3580086
having dealt with NYC craigslist people, this story sounds too good to be true

>>3580047
You're welcome.

If it works for you too we may have a sufficient sample size to consider adding it to the sticky?

>>3580087
Buh leave it

I deal with them all the time. If it was some asshole there'd be no reason to ask me what I thought was a better price.

Will I look like an idiot if I take my NES or something to test out a TV I want to buy off Craigslist?

>>3580195
Why do you care what some random yahoo thinks?

If anything you'll look like a bigger idiot if you lug a massive TV back home to then discover it's fucked.

>>3580206
This, although you could just bring an old VCR or CD player if you don't want to look like an autist too much

>>3580195
>>3580206
once I went for pick up a 29" panasonic, but told I had to test it first, brought an MD2 with scart cable.
Turned out I couldn't get color on either scart input, no matter what.
This day, I dodged a 60kg bullet

>>3580195
If it has composite, S-Video, and component you better take something to try all 3 too

For RGB BNC switches, are there any options for someone in Europe?
Extron Crosspoint units are cheap on ebay, but $100-150 shipping is somewhat extreme.

>>3580273
why should you pay that amount for shipping? What kind of Extron Crosspoint are you looking for, 128x128 ??
You can get 8x8 Switches for 40 € or less, shipping was 16 € max for those ..

>>3580286
>why should you pay that amount for shipping?
That's the price I get from ebay US sellers. Doesn't matter what kind of shipping - USPS or global shipping program.
I've been stalking ebay for a long time and all sellers are from the US.
>What kind of Extron Crosspoint are you looking for, 128x128 ??
Even 4x4 are expensive.

>>3580286
>>3580304
on top of shipping, now there's mandatory customs fees billed by ebay

>>3580304
then you're really out of luck or you're searching at the wrong place. Keep an eye on the "professional broadcasting" category, there are also similar switches from other brands. I have 5 extron crosspoint switchers, all from german sellers.

>>3580309
I'll try looking better. Thanks for giving me some hope.
Were these switches listed as extron crosspoint or as something else, like "matrix switch" or other name?

>>3580317
they all were listed as extron crosspoint.. i looked them up again, i paid 106 € for an auction of three units, then one for 18,50 € and one für 16,50 €. Don't overpay!!

>>3580273
Take a look at item# 301955698837

I bought the other one this seller had and it's excellent. You may have to pay for shipping (it's free within the UK) but could still work out okay if you lowball on the asking price like I did.

>>3578993
Thanks anon, I've arranged to pick up a KV24FS120 in a few hours so I'm excited for that.

>>3580195
Went to local TV/movie studio with my Saturn and DVD player to test PVM I got from them.
You are buying something, you have complete right to test and try everything you need.

>>3580328
Thank you once again, going to look carefully and research all available options.
>>3580330
>Take a look at item# 301955698837
Pretty much perfect except for one RGB output, but price and shipping seems great, and seller has some other things I'm interested in. Thank you.

>>3580330
i wouldn't get this one. It only has 3x RGBHV, all other ports are component max. Get a soliid 8x8, 8x4 or something like that, you can use it for RGB, component, s-video an composite.

Also be aware that not all units have sound. And if you want to use it for sound you need these stupid phoenix connectors ..

>>3580367
What's your setup display-wise? Consumer sets or monitors?

You could of course always switch RGsB through the component I/O if you have any systems or displays which use it.

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>>3580371
You're not going to find a crosspoint with any audio connections besides Phoenix connectors anyway.

Why not embrace the future and make your own patchcords like a real man?

>>3580385
where did you get these connectors and how much did you pay for them?

>>3580374
14 inch PVM at desk, consumer 29 inch TV with SCART input, and I also want to use all consoles with OSSC when I finish building it.
>>3580371
>Get a soliid 8x8, 8x4 or something like that
Yes, I'd like to get at least 8x4 or even 12x8 if price is reasonable.
>you need these stupid phoenix connectors ..
I know, this won't be a problem after I get my switch. I was going to do it this way >>3580385

>>3580390
I scored a bunch of the Phoenix connectors bundled in with various Extron boxes I bought then got some cheapo rca to 3.5mm leads and hacked them in half. All in all I reckon they cost me a couple of bucks each.

This is more of a proof of concept than anything. If I get the urge I'll upspec the cable and RCAs then go to town on it. Not heard any significant him with the current stuff though so probably won't bother.

>>3580391
I presume your PVM has RGB loopthroughs so just run those to your consumer set via a BNC to SCART cable? Or are you looking to have multiple systems running simultaneously...

Not sure how the OSSC would fit in though.

So nerds. Is a PVM-9L2 for $60 any good? I just want a small tv for at my desk to play. I noticed the scanlines are only 250 but at only 9 inches I'm not sure how much that matters. I'm a noob, only have a pos emerson flat crt.

>>3580428
>but at only 9 inches I'm not sure how much that matters
then don't pay $60 for it, my man. find a shitty little consumer crt

>>3580428
>I noticed the scanlines are only 250
"Scanlines" are the gaps between the picture, and something you're actually not likely to see on such a small monitor.

That number is the TVL count, a measure of sharpness.

A 9 inch PVM is going to be just as deep as a larger one, only much less usable, and $60 is way too much for a low end model like that.

>>3580439
>then don't pay $60 for it, my man. find a shitty little consumer crt

Naw. I want to get something with some higher end internals.

>>3580440
>and $60 is way too much for a low end model like that.

This is what I was waiting to hear. What should I shoot for If I want one of the better 9-10 inch monitors?

>>3580449
I would look for a 10 inch JVC

On topic of matrix switches, anyone has experience with Kramer switches?
http://k.kramerav.com/downloads/manuals/vp-1608.pdf
On page 7 it says
>For RGBS applications, one of the sync channels (H or V) may be used for the S
channel
But nothing for RGBS for output. Will it work with 15 khz RGBS signals?

>>3580689
Unlike the Extrons it doesn't appear to have any sync processing going on so should just pass through any signal unmolested.

Just pick either H or V and use the same on the output.

>>3580689
>>3580821
This isn't related to that switcher, but there are some Kramer products which supposedly don't like 240p signals being fed through them but are fine with 480i.
In that case, it's a transcoder and encoder, so a bit more involved, but still something to keep in mind.

>>3580350
Just got back and this thing looks great! Not as good as the professional/broadcast gear a lot of you guys have, but it's a definite improvement over the off brand no name tube I had that only had mono sound and composite. Thanks for all the help, /vr/.

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>>3580840
Shit pic related. PS2 through component looks pretty damn nice. Just gotta eBay a remote.

>>3580821
>>3580832
Any way to find out how this switch is going to handle 240p content? Just to be sure.
If it passes everything through completely, it seems to be exactly the thing I want in my setup.

>>3580497
>>3580449
10" ikegami master race

Or one of the 8/9" pvms @ 450tvl, 8044, 8045, or a bvm-...d9a5 is it, for multiformat.

I'd pay, respectively, $50, $15, $25 & $50

JVC & Panasonic also nice, bjut i know less about them.

>>3580845

I'm telling you dude, if you get a good RGB to Component these things look as good as cheap PVMs and they're all over the place

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>>3580845
Good work anon, glad everything worked out! Just got a remote myself too.

Pic related, more crispy WEGA goodness. PS2 via component.

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Hey guys, Mind if I get some help?

My friend has a 1970's goldstar TV, model Goldstar cmr-4200, that they're currently trying to restore. She opened it up in the back, found the wiring problem and fixed it, but now shes having trouble stuffing it all back in properly and geting the case to sit and lock so she can screw it back on.

Any ideas? I looked online to see if I could find a schematic, but the thing is so ancient i don't think any exist anymore.

>click on /wsr/ out of boredom
>find this
>>>/wsr/210214

BUSTED

So, some wires in the back of my CRY frayed and came undone.

Can I use electrical tape to fix them?

Any recommendations on a good input selector? TV only has one component input and I'd like to have at least 2

>>3580840
>>3580845
congrats holmes, welcome to the sd wega club! really underrated sets

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>>3581179
This could be useful eventually.

>>3581206
https://www.monoprice.com/product?pg_no2=3&c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011007&p_id=3027&sortby=&period=&rating=&seq=1&format=4

I'm using this and it works fine. I was even able to take the generic VCR controls on my TV's remote and set up this box to use those as input selection buttons.

I was skeptical and spent a long time looking for a proper mechanical switch (that doesn't need power) in new condition, and everything came back to this box. I didn't fucking want a remote, just good old big buttons, and this turned out OK. Seems component video equipment is finally on its way out with so many switches out of stock or used condition. It works fine if you have room for yet another AC plug in your setup.

>>3581158
UPDATE:

So she found out this piece is the cause, the two ends are loose now. What would someone do to fix this? It looks broken. Can a piece of electrical tape hold this together?

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>>3581231

>>3581024
Know of a good one?

>>3581034
Thanks anon! Just ordered a remote for about $6 shipped, so I'm looking forward to getting that and trying my hand at calibration. Very nice! So glad I hung onto those Monster cables I got way back then.

>>3581207
Thanks! I've been wanting to upgrade my set to something decent but never really looked into it until I came across this one for a twenty. I figured it was time.

Guys i'm really fucking scared now. I didn't realize CRTs held a super charge, and she didnt know that taking it apart and is now trying to put its chasis back on.

How dangerous is this? I'm reading it can be a lethal charge, please god tell me what needs to be avoided to set off this charge.

ANYONE. RESPOND TO THIS PLEASE

>>3581290
Avoid touching under the rubber cap attached to the tube, the neckboard (because it is fragile) and the area of the chassis around the flyback transformer.

>>3581231
>>3581234
That need to be soldered.

Is there a way to force my PS3 to play PS1 games at 240p?

>>3581008
The 10 inch JVCs are very common

>>3581290
>Oh no CRT's are super dangerous and if I open one up I will die

This is super annoying. Yeah, tubes store a few dozens of Kv after they've been turned off, but it's not going to kill you. I've been bitten by a CRT before. I know someone who worked at a TV repair shop back in the day who has been zapped more times than he can remember. If you are a regular, healthy adult, it is highly unlikely that anything inside a TV, while it is powered off, will kill you.

Not to say it won't hurt. It'll hurt like a bitch. I couldn't feel my arm for the rest of the day after i got a shock from a tube. But you'll fucking live.

Find me one news story or obituary of someone whose death was directly caused by electrocution via CRT, and i'll change my stance.

>>3581024
Why would he need that for ps2

dont advocate he spend 100+ bucks to go the scart meme and transcoder route

>>3581298
I got her to stop and begged she let a professional handle it. I'll pay for it at this point.

I had no idea of the supercharge. And now I feel like an idiot for telling her to see if she could fix it..

>>3581303
Gonna let a tech guy do it then. Its not worth risking a life over.

>>3581319
I'm not taking any chances man. Danger is danger, and i'm not letting someone get hurt on my behalf.

>>3581290
>>3581323
Holy shit get the fuck out of my thread normies

>>3577056
There's an old thread on the shmup forums that compares the different board revisions of the Wii and their sharpness, some are more sharpers than others. They were talking about one being as sharp as GC via component cables but the thread died. Anyone know anything about this?

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>>3581323
>I got her to stop and begged she let a professional handle it. I'll pay for it at this point.

You could buy 5-10 CRTs of the same quality or better for the price that you're going to be charged to repair that almost 50 year old set, even if you know the simple issue it seems to be having. And that's if you're even able to still find someone willing to work on it.

So long as you don't touch the anode cap or flyback for a while after it had been powered on, there is literally nothing to worry about.

>>3581320
>scart meme
*rattles tits* "I HAVE NO FREE WILL SO I JUST REPEAT EVERYONE ELSE" *rattles tits*

>>3581329
You literally have to take the anode cap off to get discharged

You can touch all over the cap and that wire and be fine

>>3578729
Try different focus settings on your camera. If your focusing manually, zoom as much as possible to focus on the screen image before zooming out to your desired frame. Always try to match your TVs refresh rate with your camera's shutter speed to avoid lines through your image.

>>3578753
See:
>>3581336

>>3581312
Nope, PS3 cannot into 240p at all. Use PS2

>>3581348
Is the Slim just as good as the original model PS2?

>>3581350
slim is better if you dont want to use a hard drive

no annoying fan noise and it isnt HUEG

>>3581329
The CRT has sentimental value to her as its her great grandmothers, who passed a while ago. So she really wants that one and specifically that one. So price and better value really isn't a concern.

>>3581323
>>3581290
t. nu-male cuck

>>3581359
Electricity is scary man.

And take your /v/ grade meme back to its hellhole where it belongs. We don't use childish memes to berate people here.

>>3581312
No. PS3 won't go lower than standard 480i.

If you have one of the flat Sony models that have a service menu option to adjust their interlacing, you might be able to get a pseudo-240p of sorts, but it won't be perfect.

>>3581335
I'm just trying to point out the only areas that would be of any concern.


It really is asinine though to have already been inside it, see the (presumable) problem, and then go ahead and freak out after the fact instead of just finishing what you already started.

>>3581363
>We don't use childish memes to berate people here
You are being a bit of a bitch though. If you actually had to "beg" your friend to stop working on it, it's obvious that you're the one over reacting about this.

You're not jamming a fork in a wall outlet here. Yes, electricity can be dangerous, but to freak out about something like this is extremely silly.

>>3581328
Pretty sure it's the later black and coloured models that have the improved av out.

Unfortunately nintendo dropped the gc controller support on those models so you'd need to plug in via the wiimote (or USB under homebrew?)

Overall not worth it IMO. The standard early av out is plenty good enough if you're not a turboautist.

>>3581350
slims have their own quirks and disc read errors but are generally more reliable than the front loader. This is Sony we're talking about though, so tricks like placing a game case on top of the console or lifting one side and putting something underneath it can actually trick the system into working properly without fixing anything

>>3581359
Why can't we just call people faggots anymore? Why do we need all these retarded new words?

>>3581354
The slim does have a fan, it starts quiet and gets louder as the system heats up (playing games).

There are actually 2 different PS2 slims, one with power brick and one with internal PSU. The former is going to be quieter (less heat).

Please tell me how does the fan noise of the PS2 fat compare to the Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Xbox?

I only have the PS2 slim and I'm looking at getting a fat for the harddrive capability.

>>3581471
>I'm looking at getting a fat for the harddrive capability
You can solder IDE harddrive to 7000* slim model.

>>3581462
Theres nothing retarded about those words

>>3581471
The dreamcast and the fat ps2 are about the same level of loudness

>>3581478
But does the fat PS2 sound like an electric pencil sharpener?

>>3581323
neurotic little jew boy

>>3577231
I like where this is going. Any disadvantages to forcing 480p with GSM?

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>>3580385
My man

>>3581434
But I am a Turboautist. Really, I just find the clarity between GC via Component and Wii via Component really noticeable, and don't mind looking at the board of some Wiis to see which one was the latest. They usually got for 10 bucks at thrift stores around here.

>>3581334
*unsheathes katana*
*slices you in half*

Nothing personnel kid

>>3581919
No need to look at boards, just get a non-white one with no gamecube ports. Simple.

Alternatively, you could just emulate and get even better quality.

>>3582068
Try reading first. Different boards have different picture.

>>3582116
Okay.

The links below confirm what I said, which is that all the coloured and family edition Wiis have the later improved encoder. There may be a few full fat models with it too but that's a shedload of sifting to do to find out...

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51789&sid=c7a6b86eb0d64e9ce98aace5f66d3f17&start=30

https://bitbuilt.net/forums/index.php?threads/shanks-wii-super-thread.66/

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What's the best scart switcher guys

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>>3582334
The ghetto one I'm currently making

>>3582362
Can't wait to see it for 200 dollars

>>3582370
lol total cost is less than 50€. It's just takes some time and precision soldering

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>>3582378
Just making a joke about this guy making his own SCART switcher on Shmups

>>3582386
I know, there's also that gsw-something guy that made some for like $250 w/o shipping....
That's actually what motivated me to do an el cheapo one.

>>3582394
He's making a component cable version soon too.

I can't wait for 400 dollar component switch box

>>3582362
>unshielded analog pins

you'll get godawful quality with that.

>>3582416
we'll see

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>>3576052
hey guys join ur /vr/ memecord we talk about vidya and feels

https://discord.gg/Feey2Hd

>>3582406
yeah but it's automatic

so when you've already gotten up off the couch to switch your pre-wireless consoles, you don't have to push an extra button

>>3582490
Does shit like this have to be so expensive, or is it simply because of the effort to make it

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>>3582490
>not having Léonard's remote

>>3581197
Solder. Solder. Solder.
Drain the caps and solder the wires back to where they should be.

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Good for $5? I have no idea what model it is but I wanna do some retro gaming on my PC.

What's the easiest way to connect a PC with HDMI, DisplayPort, and DVI to a CRT via Component and have it output at 240p? Is it even worth it?

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>>3583135
>DVI
Is it anything but DVI-D? Then:
DVI -> VGA adapter -> VGA to YUV transcoder. Driver hacks to get 240p.

>>3583145
It's DVI-DL

>>3583147
That's just one of the dual link ones. Go look at the port and see if it has holes for the 4 pins next to the flat hole on the left. If it does, you're probably good.

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How does one determine if a tube is burnt out without powering the device it is in? I have an old b/w tv (rebranded GE 12SF chassis) I'd like to get working and it is a tube hybrid design (pic attached).

Yes, I know high voltages, it has been sitting unplugged for a year so they should have settled.

Yes I know it's covered in dust and spider webs. I've only just opened it.

>>3583135
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/

Read the section on downscalers that support 240p

Any recommended multi-coaxial cables for building custom cables?

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I want to put a Raspberry Pi or similar device inside an old PS1 but I want to use all the original ports. I should be fine with the controller ports and the DC jack but I'm unsure about the AV out. I want to output to a CRT, preferably RGB but I'd settle for composite, I'm not sure if you can get RGB from a Pi anyway.

Does anyone have experience with this and is this possible?

>>3583587
Trashing a ps1 for superficial bullshit? Fuck off.

>>3583613
it's not like all 100Xs have a dead drive...

>>3583613
There are millions of broken ones out there

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B&F CRT. any good for retro? it has scart inputs.

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>>3583694
B&O sorry.

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>>3583698

>>3582862

I mean, yeah, it'll play games if that's what you're asking.

>>3583694
>>3583698
>>3583702
Is it the 28" or 32" model?

>>3583587
>I'm not sure if you can get RGB from a Pi anyway.
https://reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/49wkr9/240p_rgbs_guide_rgb_composite_sync/

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Is this thing real and if so what is it? Sorry for mobile post but I'm not near a comp

>>3584295
It's RetroRGB's shoulder and yes it's real

>>3583694
Flat screen? It's trash.

>>3584295
Looks like a BVM-D32E1WU based on the size.

>>3584476
he's mentioned he owns one, so that's most likely it

anyone have an english manual for the PVM-14L2 or know how to adjust linearity/convergence?

>>3583573
nice job friend. is it the type of thing you can post specs/instructions for?

>>3584575
I'll post some other pics tomorrow, it is finished but I need an USB A-B cable.

It's one of the most ambitious project I ever made, on tech aspect but also in keeping it mostly homemade and with scavenged parts.

>>3583470
No custom cable enthusiasts?
http://tools.beldensolutions.com/uploads/tx_beldenproducts/1407B.pdf
Belden 1407B is looking good (26 awg, 75 Ohm, 4 coax lines for RGBS signals). But price is somewhat high. Maybe there are some other alternatives?

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>>3584748
I was checking out Van Damme Red Series 4-core but it makes that Belden stuff look cheap...

Probably good shit though.

>>3584748
If you think about it, you don't need as much. You can get away with 3 or even 1+1x2 coax lines, assuming cable is also globally shielded.

>>3583223
Tube tester.

>>3584458
Not all flat tubes are trash, only the not high end models are.

>>3584973
FD Trinitrons are the only flat-screens without horrendous convergence issues from my experience. Still has that horizontal stretching-inwards thing that's a real eyesore on sidescrollers though.

>>3584870
>You can get away with 3
I think this would work fine for RGB lines, but I would still have to run separate shielded cables for L/R sound (was going to anyway) and in this case add another cable just for sync, all going from console multi-AV into DB15 shell (Extron VGA switch).
That's why I was looking for 4-core coaxial cable.

Maybe I can also go with 5-core coaxial cable (easier to find than 4 or 6-core) for RGB LR and add another sync cable, how does this sound?

>>3584981
I'Art is pretty spiffy as well.

>>3584989
I was talking for all the lines.
Composite (as sync) pollutes every other signals. Audio gets polluted by other signals (might actually be only composite also) and exterior signals. Rgb don't pollute each other but can be by exterior signals.
So you get : whole cable shielding, 3 normal wires for rgb, 1 for power (+5v, sometimes 12v) if you need it, 1 for ground (can be omited and use general shielding only); 1 coax for composite and 2 for audio (or 1x2 but those are hard to find in premade cables). 3 coax + 4/5 wires can be found fairly easily.
6 coax for SD signals other such short distances is way overkill.

Trying to understand consumer CRTs a bit better. Current model I own has 600 TVL, and I cannot complain. Picture is pretty damned nice after calibration. Used to be kind of dark overall and shitty with lots of bleeding reds and blurry whites. Fixed all that in the service menu.

Problem is that I have been bitten by the CRT bug, and want to track down something maybe better now. Does TVL even really matter for 240p/480i retro? Or am I wasting time on something I don't understand here?

>>3576205
What's the meme? Does it not actually look better or something?

>>3585081
600 TVL is really high for a consumer model and on par with high end video monitors. Which model?

>>3585102
Panasonic CT-27D11E, bought new around 2000.

Not gonna lie, I love the set. Has S-video and Component intput, 3 composite inputs, and a headphone jack. Also easy to move by myself.

The problem is the overabundance of CRT information I'm being overwhelmed with now. My autism is off the charts, and I want to pick up every set I see on craigslist just to bring it home and compare. I have 3 already...

Gonna need some help, maybe an intervention. My landlord is also going to be pissed to find a spare bedroom full of CRTs when I move out...

>>3585081
A professional monitor might maybe have better voltage regulation and might maybe have better phosphors. If you are after a higher TVL, you'll be looking for a late model, highest of the high end broadcast monitor.

I wouldn't really bother with it unless you are a full fledged CRT enthusiast and collect these things.

>>3585076
Composite isn't what's "polluting" ever other signal. The biggest culprit of EMI in these cables is the voltage line.

Using coax specifically for the composite line is just hilarious.

>>3585121
>full fledged CRT enthusiast and collect these things

Only unintentionally because of ample free time and lack of knowledge.

Alright, this settles it then. Unless I see something like a Sony FV310, I'm good with the Panny. Thanks!

>>3585076
>1 for power (+5v, sometimes 12v) if you need it, 1 for ground
Not required for Extron switch (for consoles with csync), so I'm going to omit them
Before buying Extron switch I got myself few fully wired SCART-SCART cables locally which had individually shielded R, G, B and stereo wires and even shielding for 5V and GND wires. I used these SCART cables to make my own custom console cables. Not full coax, but still really huge improvement over thin aliexpress cables.
>6 coax for SD signals other such short distances is way overkill.
Seems so after all.

>>3582315
I know the coloured editions have better picture, I've read the threads. It's not a buttload of sifting, it's just a matter of comparing boards to find one with quality that matches a black Wii.

>>3585090
ignore him he is an idiot

>>3581462
ignore the cuck-dude he is a retard, literally

>>3584476
>>3584559
Damn that thing is sexy. I've never seen a monitor with two handles for one side. It totally makes sense that it's a d32 based on how wide it looks.

I've heard these widescreen models are finicky and are usually prone to problems. Can anyone confirm? Also do these models have a 4:3 mode or is it strictly 16:9.

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>>3584295
>>3584476
D32 is pretty wide

There's what looks like some kind of light leak or something on the top corners of my 20L5. It's only noticable on black screens when the room is completely pitch black. Even having my computer monitor on makes it unnoticeable. What could this be? How can I fix this? I thought that I could try fiddling with settings in the service menu, but I can't see it when the menu is up.

I tried taking a photo, but it doesn't show up on camera.

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Is it worth it to get a BVM-20F1U for $500?

>>3585520
no.

>>3585450
I never realized how bad I want one until now.

>>3585520
>no multisync
I'd pass but that's because I'm 480p scum. It'd be great for all your retro needs but $500 is a fuckton for something that doesn't even do 480p.

I got my 20g1u around this time last year for $20.

>>3585128
5v dc doesn't produce an EM field.
While a 3.58mhz carrier does. I've seen it on a 3rd party PS cable and on the official SNES cable, I had checkerboard. Once I switched to Luma as sync it was gone.

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Seller says the model number is KV-PG21520 but i cannot find info anywhere for it.

Anyone know what it is?

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Someone's selling a KV-HR36 for $1, goddamn, if I had a way to transport it and a place to keep it this fucker would be mine.

>>3582334
I keep my scart cables neatly cable tied behind my monitors in an easily accessible area. I just swap whichever console I'm playing to the scart to BNC adapter.

>>3585729
That's a pretty bad idea cause the female SCART's contacts will get loose after a few years.

>>3585735
What kind of meme connector is this?

>>3585738
That's the exact same thing that happens with cartridge and expansion slots. Those cables are meant to remain plugged with the devices being daisy chained (video equipment usually have 2 SCART port -- one for input one for output) and not swapped every time you need to plug another device.

>>3585745
Good thing I barely use my setup anymore...
Honestly I'd much rather have console cables that just went straight to BNC since I swap when needed anyway.That SCART adapter seems unnecessary without a switchbox.

>>3585298
the D32 has its own problems, IIRC. The corners of the picture eventually go purple. I have a D24 and haven't heard much about it being prone to issues. (and yes, they can do 4:3)

Anyone know if the JVC BM-H1400PN-K is worth taking a chance on?

>>3585748
I'd build myself a SCART switch one of these days cause my TV and one of my monitors have a SCART socket, though they do sell SCART socket strips in stores.

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>>3585582

The goodwill by me rarely takes in CRT's anymore, but I was there the other day and found out EVERY single one is $1. Some guy just got a Trinitron, must have been a 36 because it was massive. Easily three guys as a truck worth of TV.

I live in a 3rd floor walk up. Not gonna happen.

>>3584970
And where exactly would one find one these days?

>>3585972
Like anything else, eBay.

Search Sencore, B&K, Lectrotech, Hickok, Mercury Electronics. There are loads around.

>3585738
>Connector has a limited number of plug cycles
>like all other connectors

>>3583223
>>3586014
In addition I'd like to see a flowchart or schematic for the 12SF series. From my understanding there are about a dozen variants, and I'd like to just see one.

>>3586186
Only one I can find costs $$$$$

https://www.samswebsite.com/en/photofact/details/index/id/53211

>>3586231
Yea, that's the thing... If I were working on like 6 of them, I wouldn't have a problem with buying, but I have 1. I ain't paying for something that should be free like almost every other CRT chassis.

Are there other 20" HR Trinitron PVMs besides the 20L5? I want to try to trade my 20L5 for something else.

>>3586302
Why don't you want a 20L5?

>>3586303

Because it has some slight picture problems that I'm sure are a simple fix for somebody who knows what they're doing and wants to mess with it, but I'm sick of trying to fiddle with it and want something that just works.

/r/ing pictures of your guy's CRT stands/desks. Need one for my 24" Trinitron but I'm having trouble finding one, and I want to see some.

>>3585480
I know exactly what you're referring to, though I only have consumer model CRTs. Just adjust the overscan until you no longer notice it. A very minor adjustment.

However, on my sets it can vary from game to game and also system to system. To find the sweet spot, I load up lots of different games that can scroll vertically as well as horizontally and test things out by playing through various areas.

Or maybe I'm wrong entirely and you're referring to something else?

>>3585582
Super Fine Pitch ands Hi-Scan Sony models are kind of shit for retro though. You dodged a bullet.

t. 34xbr960 owner

>>3586381

I don't think that adjusting the overscan would be helpful since the end of it is over an inch from the top of the screen. It seems to be something behind the screen since it's still there even if I take the front bezel off.

>>3586389
Oh, that far is something else entirely. I don't know...

>>3586308
Get something other than a CRT. Seriously not trolling here. Every single one I have ever owned was imperfect in some way.

Also, I read you post in a whiny jewish lawyer voice.

>>3586330
Get an aquarium stand

>>3586403

I've used and owned CRTs for my entire life and this is the first time that I've had problems like what I'm having. My 14" PVM is perfectly fine.

>>3586330
Mine wouldn't help it's an old tv stand from the crt era.

>>3585582
>>3586385
they're shit for retro but widescreen HD models are the best crts for newer systems and modern tv

congrats on owning a great set

What's the best CRT I can buy online and move myself without falling for the PVM meme? For like 15 years I've been playing all my non-HDMI systems on a 13-inch sylvania that only has composite with mono audio and RF. I don't have a car and I live in a rural area so picking one up in person is out of the question, and the heaviest TV I've lifted was 27" so that's probably my limit.

>>3587157
>paying to ship a tv
Just hire a courier service to pick up something locally and drop it at your house. Cheaper and faster.

>>3587214
I'm talking about ebay, bro. There is no "locally" except getting someone to give me a ride 45-60 minutes into the city to check for TVs at goodwill.

>>3587217
Maybe you should save up for a cheap car instead.

>>3587217
buying and shipping crts on ebay is expensive, if that's your only option and you don't want a PVM:
KV-13FS100, great entry level 13 inch sd crt
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-13-Wega-KV-13FS100-Flat-Glass-CRT-Stereo-TV-/282228497963?hash=item41b6211e2b:g:RdUAAOSwx2dYCuH0
$85 shipped
and KV-20FS100, the 20-inch version
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-KV-20FS100-20-FD-TRINITRON-WEGA-GAMING-FLAT-CRT-TELEVISION-REMOTE-INST-/361793872117?hash=item543c9860f5:g:tQQAAOSwB09YEQD0
$173 shipped

Both are SD, with RF, composite, s-video, and component YPbPr ports.

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>>3587260
>relying on some normie to ship a crt safely

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30" Philips

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So that's it, everything works, I'm so glad it turned ok. It's a 8 selector, and 2 splitter. Made it powered by usb so I can use a computer port or a phone charger, and I can avoid using a heat generating 7805.

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>>3587349
sources of inspiration :
the splitter I previously made, pic related. The concept of everything being self contained.

https://www.engadget.com/2007/03/13/how-to-make-a-solid-state-a-v-switcher/
benheck solidstate splitter, but went with CBT3245, 8x1 is actually better suited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YBPK5AKlIY
Dyko scart switch, obviously I don't have access to pcb making (and I didn't want anyway)

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>>3587360
some pic I took during building, when I remembered to do them.
gutting the plastic support and attaching the sockets. On a side note, even in piece-of-shit realm, there are some shittier grades. The matte, grainy plastic one has better connectors and solder melted nicely. The shiny one has brittle plastic, had to be careful, and the solder was sticky and made blobs, almost considered desoldering entirely.

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>>3587365
the splitter part, with one out having a sync stripper. I made it like this because :
when composite is used as sync, I got signal reflections that made a ghost image
putting it before the THS7374 cleared the ghosting put for some odd reason I induced a blue tint on my previous trinitron tv.
So the compromise of having one out sync-stripped works good, even if I don't have that tv anymore, if i get the issue again I just swap outputs.

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>>3587371
oh yeah, in previous pic there's also the 8x10k array for pulling up CBT3245 output enable (OE).
Similar to benheck, I straighten the legs and solder floppy wire.

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>>3587375
let me introduce you to the heart of the device :

THE STACK

>>3587385
>>3587375
>>3587371
>>3587365
>>3587360
>>3587349
awesome job bro

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>>3587385
the stack in position, along with the rotary switch that will allow me to pull down the right OE. Why use PICs and lcd displays when a mecanical rotary switch can do the same and for up to 12 inputs :)

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>>3587396
lower cases held with 2 bolts. One slight problem is that sides have an angle so the whole isn't totally flat, but that's what ghetto is about, right ?

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>>3587402
Almost finished, somehow managed to make all wires fit in ans close it.
there's a slight error in this pic, will you find it ?

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>>3587405
and the splitter part even works as expected

So, what did I have to buy (new) ?
The CBT3245s
The rotary switch and its cap
The USB B socket

The 2 multiscart were flea-marketed, the floppy/ATA wire was scavenged, and I had the misc components and board beforehand.


One tiny thing that happens is that, when multiple consoles are powered on, there's some crackles, maybe need to isolate audio lines with a cap ? But it's fine with only 1 console, so it's really minor.

>>3587393
thanks, hope it can inspire some :)

>>3587415
Another thing I had to compromise is pin 8 that is used for AV switching. Some consoles can output 12v on that pin, and CBT3245 maximum is 7v. But it's not really an issue as you can just change to AV channel. There's also pin 16 that is used for RGB mode, but it goes up to 3v only, so I could wire it.

selling a pvm-1341 in northern Kentucky Cincinnati area. email at [email protected]

Does anyone have a copy of Extron's Button Label Generator software?

It's free to download from their website but only with a customer account which they won't give me as I don't have a business email address.

I've tried the usual channels but it appears to be the only piece of software in history which hasn't been pirated. Too niche I guess.

Alternatively any recommendations for packages to achieve the same result?

TIA

>>3587285
enjoy your electronic paperweight.

Hey someone near me is selling a Panasonic CT-1030m PVM, for $40. My consumer model Trinitron died last week and while I was thinking of fixing it, should I go for the Panasonic instead? Will I be able to hook my consoles to it with stock output?

Do VGA computer monitors have a secret service menu like CRT TVs and RGB monitors do?

>>3587772
Do you really need special software for that?

>>3587940
If you are OK with a 10 inch screen why not do both?

>>3587968
you can adjust geometry etc in the regular menu

no special menu

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Sony KV24fs120 here. Just got my remote and can access the service menu. Looking into it, there seems to be an abundance of options in the menu. All I need to adjust is the vertical angle (Picture is sheared), fix the overscan (Picture size?) and align the screen (Total picture position?). Anyone with experience know exactly what I need to adjust? And I know I should write down all the values before adjusting.

Also are those options pertaining to the guns possible to use for fixing convergence? I see options for cleaning up reds and "convergence service items" and was just wondering if convergence is actually fixable via the service menu.

>>3588216
E: Just saw convergence adjustments aren't available for TVs under 27", what a shame. Also I'm of course using this as a guide.

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

>>3584562
on the off-chance anyone cares, I got the info from an L5 manual. Enter+Degauss brings up the advanced menu.

>>3587987
I guess I could knock some up in indesign or something. Just thought it might help with font matching and all that jazz...

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>>3587939
Uh-huh...what?

>>3587968
Most high end Trinitrons and their clones (Sun, SGI, IBM, Dell etc) have a TTL serial port you can hook up to adjust many parameters with DAS or WinDAS.

The options available put even BVMs to shame.

>>3587093
Yeah, movies are great, and I like to use it as a second PC monitor, too. I wouldn't get rid of it for anything, but I definitely wouldn't choose to play games on it either. Makes everything I play (PS2, NGC, or older) look like a dog's ass.

>>3587292
Very nice!

>>3587940
>Panasonic
>PVM
?

>>3588356
yes

>>3588356
As a misnomer rather than an official term.
Sony makes (P)rofessional (V)ideo (M)onitors; Panasonic, JVC, Ikegami,etc make professional video monitors.

Video Monitors for Professional use?
Studio Monitors?
Monitors made to Professional Specifications?

All that said, that's not so much a professional monitor as it is just a (color) video monitor as listed on the back. Just a small composite+mono audio set without a tuner. Would be nice for NES and similar, but definitely not for $40. Personally, if I saw one in person for $15, I might pick it though.

I have been trying to track down a KV-27FV310 or 300 since reading how it's da bee's knees and all. But I came across a comparison which makes me think it's very likely not worth the effort after all.

http://www.lyberty.com/tech/selector/wega-fs_or_fv.html

>Sources connected via S-video or component video bypass the TV's filter. Therefore, you will get the same picture on an FS as you would see on an FV.

This is the line that makes me wonder, if you don't want to click on some random link. I would appreciate it if any CRT gurus could weigh in on this.

>>3588531
It's referring to the comb filter used for composite video. The FV-series DOES have a better (visually) one, but in ANY CRT, the comb filter will do nothing for signals that separate luma and chroma; i.e S-Video and Component.

Additionally, note that they are talking about considerably older models there, by many years even. It's the later, FV310 models and the like that are suggested so heavily.

It's is the High Voltage Regulator used in the last of the FV-series that heavily reduces blooming(one of the things PVMs and the like benefit from) that is the reason they're suggested over a similarly equipped FS model. If you don't mind some blooming in the image, there's not too much of a big reason to fret over whether you end up with an FS300 over an FV.

Any 14 inch PVMs better than the 14L5? Not counting BVMs

>>3588629
In terms of line count, no. The 14L4 and 14M4 would match it in those regards, but neither have Multiformat support, if that's something you would want.

L-Series was the last line of PVMs manufactured, and you're only really going to be downgrading in terms of features and OSD adjustments the further you go back.

>>3588619
Ah, I see, thank you.

On another note entirely, I was just wondering what is the farthest distance anyone has driven to pick up the CRT of their dreams?

I rented a van and an appliance dolly and drove over an hour each way to pick up my 34XBR960. Sadly it was an endeavor in the same vein as the traveler in Fields of Diamonds in that the set I already had buried in the closet turned out to be far better for what I intended. I didn't want to make the same mistake again.

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Step aside, the true CRT master race is here

>>3588635
How high does the resolution go for 14L5? now I'm curious

>>3588635
How much should I spend for a 14L5 anyway

>>3585090
The actual meme is to say "Don't fall for the meme"

Some people then try to be even more so idiotic and say "Don't fall for the don't fall for the don't fall meme". Endless stupid.

>>3585132
Probably worth mentioning that lots of pro crt's have less errors and faults. You CAN get one with bad geometry or burn in or color issues. But it is much less likely to be a hidden issue or hard to fix on a pro crt.

The QA was ten fold harsher on them vs middle end consumer sets and lower. Highest end consumer sets sometimes came close, but those cheaper parts used are more likely to fail than the pro crt.

This doesn't mean that every pro crt is better than every consumer set. I have a sharp and two sony consumer sets and two pro crts and a 1600x1200 monitor. The 3 consumer sets are perfect with component, so much so I use them the most.

I would also look into computer monitors. There are some 24 inch that outdo even the best pro crt and have connections for everything (rgb/vga). Like my old hp mx19 or current sony fw900.

TL,DR. Pro crts are better in many ways and could last longer, but the best consumer sets can keep up no issue. An alternative, if you can understand it, would be computer monitors as well.

All of my CRTs that are not my studio CRTs stuff have some scrolling/wavyness. In Super Mario World, there are parts of the screen that look bubbled or wavy when running. On my bubble screen, it seems sort of even. Like the entire left and right sides are kind of wavy. On my flat screens the wavyness is in different spots on each TV. Only notice at 240p (not interlaced since it is too jumpy to notice) and usually with scrolling games like platformers or stuff like Sunset Riders.

Just wondering if some it is fixable on the flat screens. The bubble screen looks so even with the wavyness I wonder if maybe it is how that specific tv just is.


Thanks for replies.

>>3588784
L5s are multisync monitors, they can handle both SD resolutions and HD resolutions FLAWLESSY

the L5 series can do 240p, 288p, 480i, 480p, 576i, 720p, and 1080i

The tvl (sharpness) is 800 lines. for reference older pvms have a line count of 400 or lower, mid-range models and wegas between 500-600. The highest end BVMs support the same resolutions as the L5 series, but with tvl counts of 900 or 1000

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my KV-24fs120 geometry is shit. I'm new to all this unfortunately, so I have no clue how to go about fixing this. I'm aware there's a service menu, but I wouldn't know where to go from there.

>>3588826
I hate to say this, but the best you might be able to do is get some width/height stretching to fill in the screen better. Probably move the image to the left as well.

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?248996-Sony-WEGA-Trinitron-CRT-TV-service-menu-Tips-Tricks-and-settings-suggestions

Read that then read it again and mess around a bit. But only mess around with things that are basic. Like pincussion, trap, width, etc.

Your tv issues are not service menu fixable, but at least a small bandaid can be applied to lessen the issue.

>>3588826
>>3588892
write down any base settings you adjust just in case.

first things first. use hpos, vpos, vsiz and hsiz to get the white squares to fll as much of the screen as possible without going past the bezel at any point

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>>3588826
Get the service manual from electrotanya and take a look. That BA-6 chassis has a good range of geometry adjustments through the menu but unfortunately it looks like convergence will require physical yoke fuckery :(

>>3588826
this guy is right
>>3588892

>>3588927
it apears as if the yoke has sagged, a common problem now that crts are aging :(

My WEGA shit itself, I want to try and fix her but I've never done anything like this before. The picture appears briefly when the set is powered up, then it starts to go dark quickly and ends up disappearing. Is this simply the tube or is it something else?

>>3588965
>her
Back to tumblr

>>3588892
>>3588910
>>3588927
>>3588950
Damn, aren't I lucky. Thanks guys, I guess I'll have to try and make the most out of the service menu.

Say I wanted to open it up and fix the convergence/yoke sag, what would I have to do? I'm not going to attempt to do it, but if I knew the process, I'd be able to probably get an estimate on getting it repaired.

There's a place somewhat near called PNL that repairs CRT's and other arcade hardware, and I might consider seeing if they can help me out.

>>3589067
The yoke adjustment procedure is described at great length in the service manual:

http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-20fs120_21fm120_21fa310_24fs120_25fs120_chassis_ba-6.pdf/download.html

Just wait a minute or so for the "processing" link to change to "get manual".

>>3589071
Got it. Thank you, anon.

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Well, got two (or six) new CRTs. Projectors that is, always wanted one.

One on the left is an NEC 9PG, in very good shape, minimal wear on the blue tube and none on the green or red. One on the right is a Zenith PRO2000, which is a rebranded Toshiba unit. I can't find any documentation it, and can't power it up because no remote.

Paid $100 for the NEC and the Zenith was free. Both should do everything from 240p to 1080p and beyond.