What does /vr/ think of Tales of Phantasia?

ITSA PIZZA SHEET
I WAIPE MAH AZZ WITH IT

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>>3574632
>ITSA PIZZA SHEET

>>3574632
Isnt Archie ((Klein)) like 12?

>>3574641

Arche's 17

FAST EDO

>>3574632
It's decent, but I feel like the dungeons drag on longer than they really should. Also, the battle system is mindless as fuck - 90% of battles can be won by shoving the enemy to one end of the battle screen and beating on them ad nauseum.

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>>3574649
ファーストエイド Faasutoeido~

I tried to play the GBA version and kept getting bored after a couple hours.

>Tales of Random Battles

I gave up during that unicorn part

The SNES version is honestly one of the most impressive things on the console.

>>3574640
what a spread

Man I remember really liking the game except for the final boss. The battle system didn't really allowed for much strategy.

Overworld theme 3 is maximum hype though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRo3duDHcM

That use of the fucking chip is insanity. LISTEN TO THAT BASS.

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>>3574632

>>3574675
Good joke. Compare it to Seiken Densetsu 3, Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger, you name it. It doesn't come close to them in any way.

>>3574715
Fitting a whole 5 minute song with not too much compression isn't impressive?

It even sounded good.

>>3574717
>phone-tier audio
>sounded good
This was '95 dude. It really wasn't that impressive.

>>3574739
Consider the hardware and space

>>3574748
Irrelevant given the state of the industry at the time.

>>3574717
Also a large amount of voice and sound samples, dynamic changing music, extreme usage of shadows including faux-dynamic shadows in certain areas, water reflections, rendering of sprites on the fly for unique Mode 7-like effects and tons of other things.

>>3574787
I mean, yeah.

But the song will always stick to my mind as impressive because I legit remember checking for my PC and my stereo like "what the fuck where is this anime music coming from".

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>>3574787
Not to mention the sound test menu for no apparent reason besides "just because".

>>3574787
Too bad the art direction was a mess thanks to Namco's fuckery.

>>3574850
You mean the sprites that didn't look at all like the concept art?

The PSX version is really fun. It's one of the only games I've ever immediately started NG+ after finishing for the first time. I really liked how it rewarded you pretty heavily for exploring and talking to all the NPCs with spells for Arche and stuff. Damn shame that the combat always freezes when there's a spell being cast, could slow things down a bit if you're not the type to micromanage ally AI.

>>3574898
I change my party to Cless, Mint, Chester and Suzu as soon as possible, also lock all of Mint's supporting spells that stops the battle.

>>3574632
I unironically enjoyed DeJap's translation.

but play the game on PS1 because it looks and handles better
the battle system on the SNES is kind of retarded

Pretty good game, art is great.
I like Eternia better

best 2D Tales game is Eternia, play that

>>3574632
Only played the Fan Translated SNES/SFC ROM version.
Just grabbed the Fan Translated PSX ISO. Dunno wut.

>>3574668
That's literally the worst version.

>>3575058
The PSX pre-game menu is a relic of its time. An anti-ebay warning and letting you choose between translated and romanised attacks. Pretty great.

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look at this

DeJap is fucking garbage

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best fighting theme ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMZXl15FRU

>mfw first playing ToS and hearing this music when fighting Undine

>>3574632
Good combat, cliché story and characters.

>>3575936
And also good graphics.

>>3574668
This. I got so bored to fast.
SNES version had best opening music.

>>3575935
>best fighting theme ever
"no"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhOUDccL1i8

>>3575928
>>3575919
dude that translation is old as fuck now and is pretty difficult to get patched correctly. I still like the humor of it but there are some formatting mistakes.

>>3576227
that's not even the best battle theme in the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c_-dBoTvvs

I think the battle system was quite alright. Maybe I had played grindfests like Breath of Fire 2 at the time and because of that thought the real time action was actually quite engaging most of the time. The action breaking spell effects were however a bad idea and I too prefer a physical team.

I was really disappointed when Star Ocean was such a load of garbage compared to Tales of Phantasia despite having a little more complexity in its mechanics. ToP is definitely the better game of these two.

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>>3574715
Beats the shit out of Chrono Trigger hardcore, anyday.

>inb4 "I'M NOT A CT-FAG I SWEAR!"

>>3576356
Why hasn't anyone tried retranslating the SNES version? Other games with old fan translations have been retranslated.

>>3576580
There is even a Finnish translation made using the DeJap translation as a starting point so I guess anyone could quite easily do their own rewrite of the game.

>>3576580
I don't think people care that much about snes ToP. I tried playing it again after all the other ports, and I really can't recommend it anymore, even though I loved this game back in the day.

>>3574682
I demand a spread sheet joke.

>>3576580

Bruh the last fucking thing we need is another retranslation of shitty old ToP, there are literally 5 already in existence with another one on its way for the stupid PSP version, meanwhile half the games in the series aren't even available in English but everyone wants to retranslate Phantasia again.

>>3574898
Try ToPX, its included in Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon X(remake of the GBC sequel for psp) which includes ToP. It removes the spell-pause, combat is is close/identical to Etarnia(aka destiny II) and adds new playable character. There are also some other changes like having Manual mode from the beginning(instead of getting it near end of the game like in gba or in the middle like ps1 versions), grade and actual NG+. Only problem is that its Japanese-only.

>>3576757
They(absolute zero) are now focusing on the destiny DC translation, which is good but I still want to see TOPX translated as its the best version, and has no translation.

>>3574993
I like both but...

Almost dropped Eternia because of "YOU BET!".

>>3574715
None of those games did anything close to the technical prowess of Tales of Phantasia or Star Ocean.

>>3574632
>mfw there still isn't a good translation of this game

>>3576736
I'm sorry anon, I don't excel at spreadsheet jokes.

did the DeJap translation turn Arche to a slut or something?

>>3577997
no, it just took liberties that make working designs translations look brilliant

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>>3577997

>>3574685
If badass bass is your thing, you should check out works of Kenji Ito, particularly SaGa series.

>>3576527
Like whatever you'd say would have any merit, dumb frogposter.

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>>3577997
The original phrase they masterfully localized as "fucks like a tiger" is 捨て難い, which is more like "can't be let go of", "hard to give up on".

>>3576615
>>3576757
There being multiple official retranslations and rereleases of Final Fantasy IV hasn't stopped people from going back and retranslating the SNES version of FF4 a few times.

>>3578728
romhacking.net lists only one other full retranslation project apart from J2e, which began in 2001 well before squenix started milking the franchise to death and rereleasing every game 12 times.

>>3578737
What? Project II and Namingway Edition exist. Both are projects designed to correct J2e's awful original translation.

>>3577879
My columns are uneven.

>>3578707
I like the look of the SNES version the most even if the PSX version is the most cohesive with the concept art

My favourite Tales game but that's not saying a lot.

I just want to play ToP full voice edition like why did nitenshit have to have a fuck ass gba version that blows

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Phantasia is definitely a great game. The OST is beautiful and the sprite-work is top notch. However, and this is only because it's the first game in the series; the battle system is now quite dated. The casting system is too jarring since it halts all movements until the spell is completed and also I don't believe they added manual combat until later which also hinders the battle system a bit. That said, Eternia is probably the best "retro" title, but Legendia is always going to be my favourite.

>>3580751
why do people blame Nintendo for everything even when it doesn't make sense?

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>>3580754
>but Legendia is always going to be my favourite.

My bro. Phantasia is my favourite but Legendia was the first I beaten and has a special place in my heart.

I want to revisit Legendia sometimes but I want to do a Let's Play on it and I don't think my computer has the strength to run PS2 emulation and record/stream video.

the dejap translation is still the most utterly ham-fisted thing I've ever seen.

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>>3580785
I've revisited Legendia plenty of times. It's just a unique game and everything about it feels different than other games. I'm well aware of it's shortcomings though.

That would be pretty sweet, anon. I'll keep an eye out for a Let's Play in the near future.

>>3576580
Because the PS1 one is straight better.

Cless's patch is what you probably want if the one prepatched on everything is too literal for you.

>>3578728
That's because the new versions are shit in various ways. Square never was great at remakes.

>>3578737
The rest are actually hacks of the US version. Kinda like how Final Fantasy Restored has a completely new script.

>>3578707
The DeJap translation is full of shit like that. Fantranslations.txt

>>3574632
I have a hard on for it.
But that's only to cover up me....

INDIGNATION!

>>3574715
I love Chrono Trigger, but it wasn't that impressive.
It's totally plausible to put songs without a lot of compression when your game has like 6 hours of gameplay

>>3574632
Are there any other examples of some Tales of Phantasia dialogue liberties? Any swearing and stuff?

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Beaten: Legendia, Phantasia, Xillia, Symphonia
Dropped: Xillia 2
Hiatus: Graces, Symphonia (NG+)
Currently playing: Destiny

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>>3583006
The whole "going to Alvanista" segment is the worst part though.

>>3583251
Beaten : Phantasia, Eternia, Symphonia, Vesperia, Xillia, Xillia 2
on hold : Graces, Symphonia 2
Currently playing : Abyss

Why is there so little phantasia fans?

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>>3583251
>beaten:
Phantasia(gba+ps1+psp), destiny(ps1), symphonia&DOTNW(cube, wii), the abyss(ps2+3ds), innocence(ds+vita), hearts(ds+vita), xillia 1&2
>need to finish:
zesteria(currently in near the end), etarnia(barely started), legendia(lost save file due to hdd crash, got 1/3 through)
>dropped:
the world 1 radiant something(other than skits, its ass)
>need to buy/get:
Graces F, bearseria(when it comes out for pc), vesperia(if it ever comes out for anything but fucking x360 in english).

FUCK that crab.

>>3583251
Beaten: Phantasia (snes)
Dropped: Destiny

A shame really, because I liked the characters and it looked just as good as Phantasia, I dropped it after going to the aethersphere for the first time, I had no idea where to go afterwards. I tried to play it again a few months ago, but it couldn't hold my interest for too long, might give it another go some day.

Haven't played any of the others yet.

>>3586334
The combat in those early games isn't great and most people had their start with the series with Symphonia or later.

How much side content does Destiny have?

Is it good?

>>3589187
>How much side content does Destiny have?
Pretty much none unless you count the few little minigames.

Destiny is good, definitely worth a playthrough. You won't be putting it in your top 10, or even top 20 RPG's.

>>3577763
Star Ocean was horrendously buggy though.

>>3589197
>>3589187
Well there is Tower of Druaga, unless you count that as an minigame(also it requires items to access and one of them is missable).

Ps1 version is not that great, but the ps2 remake is top-tier, but of its of course japanese-only with no fan translation.

>>3589317
I always wonder just HOW they thought they could properly complete the SNES version of Star Ocean anyway.
So much of it was obviously buggy, poorly fleshed out, unfinished and cut and yet it was still one of the two biggest carts ever made.
Where would they have crammed that other planned planet into it when they already had to make the best out of what they had with shit like having to run about three times through the entire empty overworld to finish the game?

>>3577763
By the time Star Ocean came out, nobody gave a shit about the SNES.

I adore the Tales series but have only played the retro titles and Zestiria. Are the DS / Vita games worth playing?

>>3589560
Tales of Destiny for PS2 removed even more side content.
Now you don't even need to search for Stan's sacred skills, or for discs, or even for equipments, since you can forge them all.
And honestly the gameplay isn't that good either, it just looks good, but you will spend 90% of the game unable to do anything cool, because that awful disc system makes you drop the CC increasing skills in order to learn the other shitty skills required to unlock the next tier of your disc.

>>3589702
Maybe not in the west but Japan still got games like Solid Runner in 1997 or Rockman & Forte in 1998.

>>3589710
If you like Phantasia you should seriously consider Symphonia.
It expands the Aselia universe so much that it makes Phantasia look like a spin-off. And I'm saying this as someone who was a huge phantasiafag.

>>3589710
Avoid tempest(literally worst tales game).

Innocence is million times better on vita but is japanese-only. Hearts DS is japanese-only too, but vita version actually got English release but I personally enjoyed DS version more(but I'd still suggest playing vita since it has more content and is in English).

>>3589769
I remember some dude ranting about how utterly incompetent the party in Innocence was. Something about the MC getting fooled by the same villain like 5 times over or some shit.

>>3589784
You sure that was innocence and not Xillia? Because Xillia is the only one I can remember something like that happening.

Moria Mine sucks so much ass. Fucking damage sponge enemies.

>New Game+
>have to do all cutscenes again
>have to do all puzzles

And what's sad is I'll probably do a second New Game+ after this.

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>>3589947
Thankfully you can skip all cutscenes in later games

>>3591476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EXULyGlBKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pwRnMWBVs

>>3591496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmCKT3XSAU
What the HECK is that?

This section sucked so much ass.

>>3592202
Ooooh, bad upload fail. Trying again.

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>>3592237

>>3578707
billions of final faggot retranslation projects, no top retranslation projects