ITT: NES games that are super hard, but still fun.

>Castlevania 1
>superhard
casuals out

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>>3527962
There was no such thing as a "casual gamer" until, at most, 10 years ago. That said, retro gamers of all skill levels are welcome on /vr/.

>>3527973
Kids these days.

>>3527973
Derp, that was meant for >>3527965

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>>3527973
>There was no such thing as a "casual gamer"

>>3527985
Did old women buy computers just for solitaire before windows xp?

>>3527985
By which I mean nobody was tossing the term "casual" around. I never once heard that until 7th gen.

>>3527993
Oh Hell yes

>>3528550
>u
>casul
>af

Perhaps if you typed like an adult somebody might take you seriously.

>>3528550
NEEEEEEEEEERD ALERRRRRRRRT

>>3528598
>nerds
>on four chan dot com
oh no

>>3527965
I've only gotten to level 6 once. Level 5 fucks my shit up every time. I still have no idea how to get past the bats at the beginning of level 6, everyone just says run past them but I still end up dying every time.

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>>3527962
One of my greatest gaming moments was overcoming the hallway in pic related then defeating Death. I can usually do it first try now but until you get the patterns down, Castlevania will Fuck you up.

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TMNT

>>3528550
lol i'm in my 30s and i'm totally shit at video games and i will never get better and i will never leave this board

fuck my life but fuck you harder

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>>3528670
>i don't put effort in video games and i will never will
fixed

>>3527962
unironically Paperboy

>>3528550
>u
>casul
>af

I think you got turned around somewhere, /v/ is over there

>>>/v/

>>3528605
>four chan dot com
Check your URL window again.

>play Dracula x for the first time on flashcart
>keep getting game overs on the first level
am I filthy casual

>>3528704
>and i will never will
Lol you should put some effort into proofreading.

>>3528897
should it be "i'll"?

>>3527965
I thought it was pretty hard. But I wonder now if it has to do with the legendary input lag phenomenon since I was playing on emulator with shader. I also kept loosely pressing up when moving left or right when I didn't mean to, so I'd move up stairs while trying to kill some enemy or use a subweapon by mistake. Did that happen to anyone else?

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>>3527962
Castlevania 1 is not tough. 3 however... that's a game that will make you feel accomplished to defeat.

>>3529067

I still haven't beat it after getting all the way to the belmont clone boss right before dracula. I just ended up getting so burned out on repetition that I quit.

I plan on doing my third try, but I have already gone through the game twice so I am just going to use a password to skip to that level.

I would say the hardest boss I have ever encountered in vidya history is the Grim Reaper in this game, I can't think of anything in action game history that compares to the frustration and total RNG sweat inducing bullshit, not to mention he has a fucking SECOND form. And if you run out of lives you have to play one of the slowest and most repetitive levels in the game all over again.

Then again, I am sure there are MUCH harder games and bosses, especially considering I don't fuck with SHMUPs because those games are always built around getting through each level without dying because if you lose your powerups you are fucked.

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>>3529078

Oh, forgot to mention an addition for OP

Fucking SHATTERHAND.

if you haven't played all the way through fucking shatterhand you owe it to yourself, especially if you love games like castlevania and shinobi.

Shatterhand is pretty difficult but it's not so difficult that it makes you really angry, it's perfectly balanced and the robot buddy system is so cool that it allows for tons of experimentation on how to approach each level.

I will put all my shekels on the line saying Shatterhand is the greatest cult classic action game of the 8-bit generation.

>>3529078
When you fight the clone boss in CVIII, switching characters will force him to switch too. You can get some free hits in while he does this, which is the easiest way to kill him. As to death, just jew him with Holy Water. Works better in CV1, but it can still be done in CV3. I played through CV3 again about a week ago and with Holy Water (which does spawn right before you fight him in one of the candles above the falling platforms) and killed him first try. Just give it a go.

>>3527962
>Castlevania
>hard
Get good.

>>3529106

The both times I played I opted to only pick Grant and I almost never used him.

I am kind of a weird autistic Castlevania 1 purist so I am hard headed to basically the beat the game with only Belmont.

>>3529081
shatterhand is far easier than say battletoads, aside from the last level maybe.

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>>3528550
Pic related is you

>>3528619

>tfw never got past Igor and Creature

Why, why?

>>3529827
I know that feel
Nigga jumps around too much for me

>>3529067
beating the final boss is so satisfying, but I didn't think it was as hard as others made it out to seem

>>3528619
I still can't do it without the triple shot holy water.

>>3528605
DOOOOOORK DEEEEETECTED

>>3527962
Dude. I consider myself pretty shit in games. But Castlevania's level of challenge is abysmal. You're probably one of those people who think Contra is hard ffs.

Speaking of which, I'd say Super Mario World WITHOUT flying through stages and taking map shortcuts is pretty hard, especially if you go for collecting 5 turtle coins at every level. Of course the first few worlds are easy, but starting from forest of illusion or so it gets increasingly difficult. Not gonna lie, I suck at it pretty bad.

>>3528704
sure i do

i tried so hard and didn't get far and in the end it didn't even matter

>>3529854
I always do it with the cross.

>>3527992
yes

>>3528581
>>3528598
>>3528876
>>3529267

you faggots are ten times more annoying than the hardcore gaymer types, if I wanted to talk to a bunch of faggots who think they're the coolest kid in the room for "just not caring about stuff like that" I would go to 420chan


I beat the MSX version of Castlevania a long time ago and I've been playing the NES one and I swear it seems harder, even without having to find the keys. I was probably abusing save states back then though. I beat the first Megaman on the same emulator so I don't think it's a problem with lag

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Ghosts n' Goblins. I don't know why but I love how punishing it is.

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>>3529841

GOT IT, BITCHES

>>3529965
yeah, how many savestates did it take? Fucking poser ass piece of shit.

>>3529953
Came here to say just this. So hard, especially to get the true ending (which I haven't yet...)

>>3529929
I think this whole board needs to take a fucking chill pill when it comes to elitism.

Some people are better at some games than others. Even with practice some people just suck at some kinds of games. I can 1cc Ghosts 'n Goblins, but I've never gotten past Level 5 of the original Castlevania. Oh well.

>>3529973

I actually reseted the emulator trying to take a shot and got to do the entire stage again. So only one, the ones I use after I game over.

>poser

Is this highschool?

>>3529876
They're called Yoshi coins you cuck

>>3529983

I am new here and I was noticing that too. There isn't a single good videogame discussion board on this website anymore.

Most "hard" games become easy with practice.

People always claim that Comix Zone is the hardest game. But after playing it a few hours here and there I was able to beat it and get the good ending. Same thing with Castlevania. Every time I play I get a little closer. Practice makes perfect.

>>3530709
well yeah, but that's what makes them hard. An easy game doesn't require practice while a hard game does, in simple terms. What's hard for one might be easy for another, but this thread looks to find games which are hard for a large number of people.

My choice would be Ninja Gaiden, it's super fun but super unforgiving too.

>>3529123
I'm in the same boat, though at some point I'd like to try and beat it with all four characters solo (as in, get them and then never switch out).

Trying to beat the clone is stupid hard though, I don't know if I'll ever beat it.

>>3529886
you must be retarded then
protip: use save-states to practice hard moments, watch a walktrough on youtube to see how it's done if needed.

>>3529953
i don't know how retarded you need to be to end up between dragon and red arremer.
>>3529976
gaijins got unlimited continues in a game that lasts 10 minutes to clear one loop(if you don't die), but are still bitching.

>>3529989
Riiiight.

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>>3529953
>3,9 mb jpeg

>>3529081
I think Shatterhand's difficulty is just right. Nothing too frustrating but it's not a complete cakewalk either. And it's short too--basically a must-play for any classic action game fan in my book.

>>3529827
I was stuck on them for awhile. I still have issues sometimes with that jumping asshole.

>>3529854
Made it to Death once with the triple holy water and fucked up my chance. I've always ended up beating him using the cross.

>>3527965
This, god damn. The SMB games are harder.

>>3530324
I tried to channel the spirit of of tre/vr/ and /vr/ when it was new & friendly in >>3527973 and look at the vitriol it spawned.

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>>3527962
I just beat Takeshi's Challenge if that counts. I don't think it's a very good game, but I had a blast playing it.

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>>3527962
I just played through Castlevania 1, 2, and 3 in one day, on a real NES, first time, no guides or cheats. They were trivial.

>>3532894
Weird. It's as if different gamers had different skill levels or something... Requires more research. Don't worry, I'll tend to the details.

>>3532898
That's a convoluted way of saying "OP sucks", but okay.

>>3532903
>My discernment regarding difficulty is objectively correct; if it's easy for me, then it's easy for everyone. If it somehow isn't easy for some people, then that means they suck.
This is how stupid you sound.

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Snake Rattle N' Roll

>>3532913
You know, when you have to make that many assumptions to express your opinion, you're probably wrong.

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no one beats Ninja Gaiden

>>3532915
You replied to OP saying you found all three NES Castlevania games to be "trivial" (easy). Someone replied to you stating that skill level differentiates depending on the individual and that calling a game "trivial" doesn't really mean anything outside of your own experience. Your next post stated that OP sucks because the game wasn't easy for him, implying that you apply your personal judgement of game difficulty as an objective fact.

You know, when you don't realize that you implied everything I "assumed" in your post, you're probably too stupid to be posting on this board.

But what do I know? I'm just an autist butthurt casual lol right xD? [insert ad hominem here wow I'm fucking retarded]

>>3529081
The hardest part is probably the boss rush level.

>>3532894
>I just played through Castlevania 1, 2, and 3 in one day, on a real NES, first time, no guides or cheats. They were trivial.
>CVII
>no guide
>one day
Yeah, you just lied buddy. No one would guess the crystal bits in that game. You're literally just saying things. Gr8 b8, tho m8.

>>3532932
It's easy save for the bullshit final boss.

>>3534226
He wouldn't be that bad if losing didn't banish you to the start of the level.

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>>3534223
Talk to the villagers and read the books in the mansions, m8. They hand feed you what to do. You sound like one of those AVGN tools who don't even play the games themselves.

Protip: by the time you get to the cliff you already used the ducking with a crystal mechanic on two rivers so you already know how to use them and one of the books tells you to use the red crystal at the cliff. It's fucking spelled out for you.

>>3534419
No, it isn't, because the villagers outright lie to you half the time. There is essentially no reason to believe them.

Also when I see people accuse others of being "AVGN tools", it instantly points out the fact that they themselves have poor ability to make actual arguments and thus have to preemptively resort to ad hominem to hold any sort of ground, so congrats on that part. Oh and side note, the "hints" are all broken english at best. Even further reason to not believe what they say. On top of that, "use the red crystal at the cliff"..? That's not even a fucking cliff. That's just a wall you jackass.

I like Kid Icarus.

>>3534429
Deborah Cliff is referred to at least 3 times from what I saw, it's obvious what they're talking about. You already know how to "use" a crystal from the rivers, which was spelled out for you as well. Villagers lying is irrelevant, there's not that many of them, just try whatever information you get.

So yeah, you're pretty much an AVGN tool. If you can't deal with that, then play the fucking games yourself you faggot.

>>3534453
>arguing this badly
Yeah, you aren't worth anyone's time here. You didn't even address the actual issue I brought up outside of "deal with it". Please put on a trip so I can filter you.

>>3534226
>>3534289
Nobody beats Ninja Gaiden.

>>3529989
Castlevania has infinite continues though, no save states needed

>>3532894

>things that never happened: the post


does it make you feel special to lie on an anonymous message board?

>>3534737
Even Arino beat Ninja Gaiden (with a little help from the ADs, but that was just for entertainment value, it wasn't critical to his victory). You're just shit and/or lazy.

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>>3527962

>>3534764

I save state on the continue screen so I can stop when I burn out and pick up the session later.

>>3532932
I did. Mostly because I had like three games at the time and I played the shit out of the game. I beat it one time without dying because I had that shit memorized.

>>3527962
try with cviii then

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Blaster Master.

The game itself is easy, but the later bosses are crazy. I don't think I'd even be able to pull off the second form of the final boss if I didn't randomly find a glitch spot where it couldn't hit me.

>>3527962
Death and Dracula are the only hard parts of Castlevania, took me a few tries to beat them. And Castlevania III they fucked me real good, that Dracula fight...I wasn't prepared for that.

But the rest of the game is simple platforming and timing. I don't remember getting stuck in any particular area. Just fuck Death and Dracula.

>>3530007
Doesn't the game refer to them as dragon coins?

>>3528550
Hey anon.

Tell us what "casual" means. You wont, or you will get it wrong, and we'll laugh at you, and you'll run to the attic and hang yourself.

>>3534801
>>3535153
Nobody beats Ninja Gaiden.

>>3535164
You know about the other glitch, right? Pause the game when a bomb explosion graphic is on the boss and that explosion will keep stacking damage. Unpause a few seconds later for an instant death.

Just make sure you don't do that when a bomb hits you, because the same applies.

Zelda 2

Maybe it was because I was a kid at the time, but it got pretty hard for me about halfway through I think. Maybe I should go check it out again.

>>3535340
i was 10 when i berat it. git gud newfag.
megaman 1 was 10x more difficult

>>3535537
>Pause the game when a bomb explosion graphic is on the boss and that explosion will keep stacking damage
Doesn't work on the last boss.

>>3535574
Funny, I never really found Mega Man 1 very hard.

I guess because I started with the first one, it didn't seem as hard because when I was still struggling with parts of the later games, I could go back to playing MM1 and breeze through it.

>>3528665
>TMNT
Fuck that game.

For a good blend of difficulty and greatness: Mike Tyson't Punchout

Blaster Master gets a little ridiculous in the end, but also a great game.

>>3535570
The hardest part is still the last castle. Those bird knight guys are a pain in the ass.

>>3534884
I hope you consider yourself to have beaten majority of the games you've played then, right?

>kill death
>get hit with a scythe and die before I can grab the orb

Megaman 2 would be the hardest in the franchise if it wasn't for Metal Blade existing

Seriously, who's the goddamn chucklefuck who designed this game

>how about a boss that can only be beaten with Crash Bomber, one of the most limited abilities in the game, so if you die, you'll have to grind for ammo in the most stupid spike platform pits
>Heat Man's stage is basically just a retarded memorization game over a huge death pit unless you get the rocket, which you only get when you've killed basically everyone else already
>Quick Man.

The only reason people find it easy nowadays is because the game is burned into their brain.

But then you get Metal Blade, which does decent damage, doesn't stop when it hits an enemy, goes eight directions, can wipe eggs and noodles with one shot for countless pick-up farming, and basically never runs out of ammo, and the game becomes a fucking cakewalk.

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The OG Final Fantasy

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Metroid is pretty challenging but not unbeatable. Goes to show the series was solid from the very start

Should I play Castlevania 1 or Ninja gaiden 1 first?

>>3537637
not hard at all, just tedious.

>>3537640
Metroid wasn't challenging in any way. Anyone who legitimately put in effort would beat it pretty quickly. No fights or puzzles in the game could be called difficult and the password system effectively meant infinite continues.

>>3537741

NG is basically a sped up version of CV, so you should play CV first to warm yourself up for NG.

>>3537750
It's a bit challenging if you avoid grinding, since that requires you to actually manage your resources properly.

>>3534226
Nina Gaiden's final boss is my favorite boss of all time. The first form is easy and the third form is, at worse, RNG but the second form? It is such a wonderfully subtle design where the body's movements left to right are juuuuuust barely out of sync with the fireballs. So you think you have a pattern...but then you get hit and fear and confusion sets in. So you start making mistakes and die. When all you really had to do was reset your pattern and make sure to never touch the body. You can literally trade hits with the boss as long as you only get hit by the fireballs.

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>>3527985
Solitair is a little challenging, especially since about 33% of solitair games are unbeatable.

Legend of Zelda.

None of us were very good at english back then and the games engrish didn't help...

>>3527962
I wouldn't say castlevania I is super hard. it's challenging, especially if you're going for 1cc, but it's not really punishing. there are some tricky spots, but that mostly comes down to learning the patterns.

also, if you're stuck, triple holy water goes a long way.

>>3529081
i miss this game. fuck.

>>3532914
This game and Blaster Master were two games I could only beat with the help of Game Genie. In both games, I saw so many levels later in the game I had never seen before, and I thought, "Holy hell, how would I be able to get this far without Game Genie? I'd never see this part of the game otherwise."

Some ideas that haven't been mentioned yet or much. I prefer arcade, so my memory of versions might be a bit off.

Arkanoid.

Ikari Warriors.

Wizards and Warriors.

Solomons Key.

Hudsons adventure island.

>>3528891
You suck. For now anyways.

But casual is foremost a state of mind. You gonna take your quarters to run home to mommy? Or are you going learn the patterns? You going to get on top of that PCB and fuck it?

>>3529983
Elitiisim is one thing. Being a gigantic retard about it is something else, particularly when the objective is just dickswinging.. /vr/ should have a good attitude about such things, even when it's talking about a topic like this. It's not really surprising that someone used to the modern era of everyone gets a participation ending, be shocked at how much harder even middle of the roadish sort of games were back in that era.