HoMM/Might and Magic thread

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When you nut but she keeps sucking

>Week of the Plague
FUCK EVERYTHING

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>>3506428
Why is HoMM3's cover so cheap looking compared to all their other games?

>>3506448
>Week
Month, Anon, Plague only appears on months.

>>3506459
It only occurs on the month turns only, but doesn't the text say week?

>>3506428
Under the notes section, you should specify 9) and 11) are specific to MM6-8. Fly is a very different spell in MM1-2 (it lets you portal to any zone) and it doesn't exist at all in MM3-5&9.

>>3506473
11 is kind of a given since there is no running in any previous game you just move tile by tile. Updated both anyways though.

>>3506473
I gave my tips here >>3505272 . See that I noted they were specific to MM6–8. Looks like they were edited together with the rest of the tips so that's where the confusion arose from

>>3506452
You say this and post a cover of what looks like some guy LARPing.

>>3506523
>implying it isn't the tightest shit

>>3506497
Makes sense. To an extent some of them apply to the rest of the series (although training giving actual bonuses and disarming being mandatory are different).

>Looks like they were edited together with the rest of the tips
Nothing you said is wrong for MM6-8, it just looks like a copy/paste issue.

>>3506539
I cobbled it up at around 1 in the morning yesterday. I'll go back and reorganize it for clarity.

>>3506448
>>3506459
>>3506462
In most of the release versions it says week, but only happens on the turn of the month. If you have HD it says month.

Soundtracks:

2>>>>4>3>5=1

Anyone want to do some 1vs1? 8xm8 template.

>>3506473
>9) and 11)

pure coincidence

>>3506448
>not saving at the end of each month and reloading if plague hits

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What if they would make Antagarich Might & Magic MMORPG? Would you play it?

Of course it would have blizzardesque artstyle or at least HoMM VII artstyle and two faction pvp system


Human
Elf
Dwarf
Lizardmen

VS

Undead
Kreegan
Minotaur
Goblin

>>3508045
>Would you play it?
No.

>>3508045
You disgust me

>>3506452
More importantly, what's going on with the opposing army?
>titans and nagas
>dwarves and centaurs
>medusas and minotaurs
>a single wraith
Enjoy that no morale.

>>3508593
There are other things that don't make any sense

The horse in the foreground sure looks evil as fuck, despite supposedly being Erathian. The knight on it also looks kinda evil with spikes and all that. Where's Catherine anyway?

In the opposing army, you can see the guys in horned helmets. IIRC these were supposed to be actual units but they were made into heroes instead (don't quote me on that).

Comparative size of the units and the perspective are pretty fucked up too. Is it me, or the Dungeon town should be tipped toward the observer?

Finally, we have but 5 factions represented here. Where are the forces of Inferno, Stronghold, Fortress?

I can only assume this cover was made way before the final version of the game.

RAAC guy here. I asked where do I spend my skill points in late game, and someone told me to level up light magic. OK, but what about the archers and the ranger? Do I dump everything into the bow skill now, or are there better alternatives?

>>3508817
>RAAC

What?

>>3508885
He's playing a weird ranged based party (Ranger, Archer, Archer, Cleric) someone suggested him a month or so back.

>>3508895
That's the worst team ever

The best ones are

3x Sorcerer 1x Cleric
or 2x Sorcerer 2x Cleric

>>3508885
Fuck, do I have to explain it every time, seriously. Did this only yesterday

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>>3508903
I didn't browse this thread yesterday

>>3508902
I didn't aim for the best team. I wanted to have a different experience. So I picked the 2 classes I haven't tried yet.

Having strong ranged attackers is really convenient actually. How many times I have played the usual MMCS party and wished my arrows did more than 9 damage. Also, eventually, I could lower my bow recovery to as little as 5. With double shot it's already pretty damn sweet, but at 5 it would beat blasters. It's still a long way to go though.

Master elemental magic covers most of my spell needs with Fly/Town Portal. GM Enchant Item and Master Alchemy could help, but then again I just cleaned Maze at lvl 30 and didn't have much of a problem doing this. So maybe it could wait.

In any case, I see little point in aiming for the best ever party in the game. It's pretty easy as it is.

>>3508902
This isn't wizardry m8. No need to minmax.

>>3508817
Bow, Perception, and Chain. After you get your GMs then you can just dump points in Bow even past skill 30.

>>3508895
>>3508902
He said he wanted a team with some new classes. AAAC is a very standard party yes really and RAAC is only slightly worse. It's also the only team where a ranger isn't completely dead weight other than solo.

Of course they aren't as good as KKCS or KCSS until very late, but they utterly dominate endgame. CCSS and CSSS are amazing when playing dark, but much less so when going light.

>>3509037
Hmm, yeah I've GM'd Perception and Chain. I wondered for some time if leveling Light was worth it for them, for Destroy Undead/Paralyze? I doubt it as they lack mana already.

>>3509051
I had assumed you already had ~7 in it. Get it up to about that level. Extra paralyze never hurts, although you really only need it in that first room of the Pit. Basically all you need to do is stop the queens from raping you while you destroy everything.

>>3509057
I needed some points for GMs. I also postponed my training a little (I had a bunch genie lamps and it was October). I just trained 14 levels to lvl 44.

> although you really only need it in that first room of the Pit
Hm, yeah, that's what I also had in mind. But, I've cleaned out the Pit once. It was surprisingly unrewarding. Almost no loot, very little money. Their shops were nothing interesting really. Paramount guild of earth is useless. Castle Gloaming had a lot of gold/gems but not much else IIRC. I guess extra exp wouldn't hurt, but how much would it yield? I don't know really.

>>3509095
There isn't a need. You can run through it invisibly if you want. I just always find it worthwhile to have a space to town portal to without being surrounded by queens, speakers, and liches.

>>3508902
boring

I am still a little confused about elemental attacks in MM7.

Let's say I have a dagger that "adds 9-12 body damage". Does the latter work essentially as a spell which harms the enemy every time my attack hits, e.g. Flying Fist? If the enemy is immune to body magic, it will be immune to this effect too? Does the body resistance scale the damage, like with a usual Body spell?

Also, let's say an enemy attack type says "air". Does it mean AC is useless against it?

first time on a homm3 board.

what's the general opinion about WoG?

>>3511130
Way too much of a clusterfuck, at least you can pick and choose to make it less of one.

>>3511132
can't play without it, mostly because of commanders. then again, I liked heroes in 4, in theory.

>>3511147
Don't get me wrong, I like some of the features like improvements to garbage skills i.e. estates, or mysticism and commanders like you said, but stuff like Tier 8 units and town management is clunky and broken at times.

>>3511130
I've said this once, I'll say it again. It's an interesting idea, but it just sees like a clusterfuck of features with disregard for balance. After seeing it, I will never even touch it, unless they at least TRY to balance it out without showing features into it.

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After all these days hunting for Clanker's Amulet, I realize its bonus doesn't stack with "of Alchemy" items. Has the god abandoned us?

>>3510564
Yes to everything.

>Does it mean AC is useless against it?
Yes, because it's a different attack type. The effect from GM Chain and Master Plate do not work against elemental damage either, but the elemental resistances from GM leather do.

>>3511398
It's in a weird category where you can't sell it along with things like Lieutenant's Cutlass and the Forge Gauntlets. I don't think the game sees these as "Artifacts" and instead a special kind of quest item/reward.

>>3511130
Lots of potential with the new scripting, but falls short on a lot of issues. It has some custom good maps, but the balance is atrocious. Also the campaigns are super autism level.

>>3511130
WoG is mostly known for its bulk. Some of it is good, like improved skills. Some of it is questionable, like units gaining their own XP. Nobody really likes the amateurish new units, which are just pastel reskins of the original ones.

WoG is, also, however, a modder's tool, and for the longest time the scripts and doodads the mod allowed have become a staple of great HoMM3 maps, like The Empire of the World III and IV, which still retained vanilla gameplay, only with better storytelling methods and some new challenges.

Nowadays, though, with WoG no longer updated, it seems like ERA replaced it for all your enhanced vanilla single player needs, and HotA is now there for when you want to go beyond.

Either way, WoG is a pretty cool thing.

>>3511406
>>3511406
OK. Hm, looks like I've finally grasped the game mechanic after all. Took me just 4 threads of spamming questions non-stop.

I guess AC is not so important after all. IIRC, nothing in Eofol deals physical damage. If anything, it looks like physical attacks become pretty rare later in the game. Outside of sword masters, minotaurs and behemoths, there don't seem to be any formidable ones.

> The effect from GM Chain and Master Plate do not work against elemental damage either, but the elemental resistances from GM leather do.
Is it me or these sound pretty useless in the end, given how late you get these GMs? I've seen some in-depth discussions where people seemed to make accent on GM Plate, but with a lack of physical damage and knights' health it barely seems to make any difference. And GM Leather skill's bonus is really insignificant, especially when you can get "Of Protection" equipment which adds +10 to all resistances (I'm not even mentioning Day of Protection on light path).

>>3511527
You get, or at least can get, plate master pretty early (doesn't require a single promotion). Chain GM on the other hand is really only useful for facing Behemoths and Minotaurs.

>>3511537
Ah, my bad. I forgot it was master plate that halved physical damage, not GM. Makes more sense now. Early on it could help greatly.

>>3511560
It's mildly useful, but as you mentioned Knights also get GM Body Building, so it's far less useful. Knights are already super powerful offensively and then get GM plate and Body Building for defense.

For anyone new to the game the suggested parties almost always include KCS and then something else. For that last slot a case can be made for a Knight, Monk, Paladin(light only), Archer, Thief, Cleric (dark only), or another Sorcerer.

>>3508593
How about swordsmen, pikemen, archers and one knight hero against all of those, especially the tier 5 fuckers?

>>3512001
Due to the perspective, we don't know how many of them hide behind the camera. But anyway, Titans won't be easy for them.

>>3506452
Prerendered 3D just was the thing at the time. I think it had the opposite effect for Might & Magic 6 and 7 though; Characters in 6 look like a cheap FMV game while 7 looks more like a professional production.

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>>3512616
MM6 portraits look better than the potato 3D characters of 7
>talking shit about digitized portraits

>>3512621
I'm not gonna fight over this, but I'm not gonna take back what I said either.

>>3512621
> …something is out there. Something ejw'.
Why was pixelated cursive a thing

>>3512632
It's kinda funny when you imagine him saying "ew" to 3D characters though.

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>>3512621
To be honest, that's some great portrait. I more or less liked hero portraits in MM6, but NPCs look just weird to me.

In any case, I guess NWC was at the typical crossroads for '90s games: to go with plastic CG or FMV. They kind of went with both for MM6 and it looked pretty weird. So in the end going full CG added consistency, and saved me from getting nightmares.

But I'll never stop saying this, I think MM8 was when they truly had the best CG.

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So I got bow recovery to 5. It's a lot of fun

>>3511130
Do not download WoG. It is depreciated, hasn't been updated for years and is also of questionable quality. If you want to try out mods, backup your h3 directory and pick...
>HotA
The first mod that added a new faction, but anons say it's imba
>ERA
Not really a mod - it's a modding platform that continues the work of WoG devs. Now every mod has its own folder so all mods built on ERA are compatible, just disable/enable the ones you want in the ERA menu. Currently it's the modding standard, see http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=39062
You have mods that turn H3 into H2, that rework the visuals, turn the gameplay upside down and that crazy fuck Salamandre with his spectacularly autistic maps.
>VCMI
An another platform, seems to be more powerful than ERA but iirc is still in beta and not as popular.
>HD mod
Mandatory, just be careful with HD+ options that may clash with other mods.

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So I finally beat MM7 with my ranged party (ranger—2 archers—cleric) on light path. Big thanks to the anon who gave me advice, they pretty much made my run.

Overall—it will be hard going back to melee. Bows are very convenient and archers do make up for their weaker sides as they progress. The big downside of ranged combat though is that most enemies approach in zigzags, so arrows miss them from afar. But once they get hit, they simply can't get out of stun.

One major fuckup I made was that I didn't realize that Heroism didn't affect ranged attacks. So it was kinda wasted on my ranged party. Maybe I'm missing something, but looks like GM light magic wasn't as much help as I thought it would be.

In the end, if you know what you're doing, melee has a lot of advantages. Like Armasmaster/Unarmed enchantments, might stat effect, and Heroism, for instance. Bows can get to 5 recovery; but with normal means it is very hard. Without tricks I could only get it to 41. I could probably find bows of swiftness and so on, but it was too tedious.

Ranger was actually good, until archers got Bow GM. After that, I started wishing I simply had a 3rd archer. Now I get why the class is called shit all the time: no light/dark magic, no Armsmaster further than expert level, Axe GM which I'm still not sure if working or not, other useless skills like GM ID Monster. Maybe in single runs they do shine, but otherwise they're jacks of all trades, but masters of none.

So all in all, I need to make a choice now. Play MM6, or play through MM7 for the last time. Here are my ideas: choose dark path, try thief/paladin/sorcerer/your suggestion + no clerics.

>>3513329
Also, some other afterthoughts… Ironically, the hardest part of the game was Emerald Island. It surprised me quite a bit how tough it was to get through it, and how many times I got killed by dragonflies. Ditto. I also completely forgot to choose the trivial skills like leather at party creation stage, this was quite an annoyance.

Shouldn't have multilooted the dragon for max challenge though—I kind of regret doing it. But it's not like I got very OP either—only for the first part of the game. Didn't even get AC/Disarm increasing items.

I never quite listened to people telling me to use Haste, Regeneration and Paralyze more. I regret doing this now. What stopped me was SP costs. But I forgot Haste was expert fire spell and cost just 5. Same with Regeneration, I used it on knights, but with clerics it healed surprisingly big chunks of damage—all for measly 5SP; I had to rely on Power Heal much less in result.

Paralyze seems really OP to me though… Pretty much instakill. With high enough Light magic level, it freezes enemies for nearly an hour, which is kinda ridiculous, even despite it fails sometimes. Well, something to handle those god damn queens of the dead, on the other hand.

Finally, never really managed to find bows of carnage. Not that I tired very hard, but still a pity.

>>3513329
>So all in all, I need to make a choice now. Play MM6, or play through MM7 for the last time. Here are my ideas: choose dark path, try thief/paladin/sorcerer/your suggestion + no clerics.
There really isn't a good dark party with that combo. It's not like dark is hard with anything, but Shrapmetal is so ridiculously OP that nothing will compare with Clerics and Sorcerers.

If you wanted something to balance the team, you are probably looking at another melee knight, monk, or maybe another paladin (Paladins are much better light side because of Paralyze). You already have your spell schools covered.

>Play MM6, or play through MM7 for the last time
Obviously up to you, but you should consider playing the games in order at some point (and with HoMM 2/3). You should absolutely play MM6 eventually.

>>3513358
>the hardest part of the game was Emerald Island.
If you used the Day of the Gods pedestal and bows you won't have a problem.

>Finally, never really managed to find bows of carnage.
They are pretty hard to get, but they are amazing.

>>3513329
> hasnt played mm6

stop whatever you are doing and play the goat.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO5TCsYKlgw
>we will never get a soundtrack like this again

>>3513231
It's really fun when even blasters get outclassed by a team of shooters.

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>>3514387
To be honest, it's pretty obvious blasters can't hold up the candle to bows in the long run. Their skill only adds to attack which doesn't give you more damage, so you're forever stuck with 17–37 damage for rifles, 11–23 damage for blasters. Yeah, it's much easier to get them for your whole party, and with Haste you already have 5 recovery, but given how late it happens, it doesn't affect much. The max damage you get is 4x blaster rifles, so 68–148 damage with the whole team

By comparison, at max skill level, every one of my archers dealt 71–75 damage with each arrow, x2 because of double shot, so 140–150. So, one maxed out archer pretty much outclasses the whole team of blaster rifles. And I also grabbed "double damage against dragons" bows for Eofol specifically, shooting dragons down was like hunting dragonflies on Emerald Island. You can't enchant blasters, remember.

That said, my ranger still dealt 11–15 damage, albeit he had double shot too… I truly see no point in this class anymore.

>>3513914
After 2 runs, I've turned the sound off entirely in MM7. First of all, the thriller violins on Emerald Island are spooky. Third, I've hear every tune in the game and they are all pretty sad and not super catchy, so I simply listen to some other albums I have. Lastly, I don't want to hear "but a scratch" or "that's the ticket" or "WWWWELCOME ABOOOARD!!!" for a millionth time.

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>>3513775
I don't know, it looks so weird. Fittingly, it reminds me of that Heroes 3 early screenshot.

The game looks neither like MM5/HoMM2 nor like MM7–8/HoMM3. As I mentioned, I don't recognize any enemies whatsoever. Everyone looks like generic mage guys/generic fighter guys, as if someone else tried to make artwork for MM game for NWC. Some of the monsters, like goblins or devils for example, look so ugly it's not even funny. Also, I've seen a speedrun of the game, and I must say, kreegan hive looks even uglier than it did in MM7.

Then there are all those NPC portraits of weird LARPing guys, FMV-style models photoshopped onto backgrounds, which trigger uncanny valley feeling all the time. The equipment is harshly pixelated, and presents a weird mix between realism and cartoon.

It's all in the looks really… It's not the graphics engine—playing MM7–8 I was prepared for its pixelated sprites—, but the very execution. It's just so terribly weird, yet it feels so muted compared to MM5 and even MM7–8. I feel there's a huge gap in terms of graphics quality between Heroes 3/MM7 and MM6.

>>3515096
Is that supposed to be castle Ironfist in HoMM3 in that screenshot?

>>3515103
I guess it was WIP and they took the mini-map from MM6 which came a year before.

>>3515096
MM6 is the best RPG of 1998 and MM7 was a downgrade with way smaller dungeons, broken balancing, and a much buggier game. I don't know how anyone can argue the hardware accelerated blurry mess of MM7 looks better.

>>3515212
you can still use software rendering in MM7

>>3515212
>MM7 was a downgrade with way smaller dungeons
Because the dungeons that went on and on like the 3 castles and tomb of VARN are so much fun right

>>3515237
Yes they were actually. Better than tiny cakewalks in a dungeon crawler.

>>3515258
>in a dungeon crawler
Yeah, right. Early MM games were dungeons crawlers because of their design similar to Wizardry, but the game had overworld since MM2. In MM6, the game went to 3D—then what forced the series to base the whole design around dungeons?

In MM7, there's plenty to explore already. There are hidden altars, islands, houses and other stuff, which you can find while flying or exploring. If you know the map/locations well, you can get some very nice rewards.

I'm not saying MM7 is exemplary in that regard. There are many dungeons which are not very varied or come in straight lines. But, a lot of them were pretty fun, like the Maze for example. In any case, with so many skills to explore, I don't really mind that some of the dungeons are easy.

>>3515258
I'd rather have a small engaging dungeon than a massive sprawl of nothing.

>>3513485
> There really isn't a good dark party with that combo. It's not like dark is hard with anything, but Shrapmetal is so ridiculously OP that nothing will compare with Clerics and Sorcerers.
Looks like on dark path, it's all reduced to 4x Shrapmetal for max damage. Is it me or this doesn't allow for much interplay between classes like light magic? It's also weird to me there's no in between in the game: you either get basic light/dark or GM.

But anyway, all I have left to explore in the game are flawed classes: I'd really like to try thieves and paladins and see how they play. So I'm not going for max damage, just want to see some interesting interplay/combinations. Also, I've noticed there are some artifacts (like Ethric's staff and less so Old Nick) which come specifically for evil characters. So that's why I want dark path run (and obviously, I've had 2 light path runs already).

Does TPSS sound efficient? I think I'm not missing out on much this way. Thief sounds OK with sword/dagger and Armsmaster; master Merchant should give me more or less enough money, I will also have Disarm Trap and OK additions like Perception. Paladins should cover healing/buffing if alchemy fails, but don't seem good on damage. But then 2 Sorcerers will provide bulk damage with Shrapmetal, and I will separate elemental magic/alchemy skill between 2 of them.

>>3515619
You get neither in M&M7

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>>3515905
> continuing the "MM7 is bad" meme

>>3515909
It's just not as good as the rest of the series except for 9.

>>3515916
So… that's why I'm running for the 4th time through it, right? Because it has "tiny cakewalks in a dungeon crawler", "broken balancing", and looks like "blurry mess".

>>3516029
Just don't even bother with him, guy has a hateboner over 7 even though by his own criteria 8 should be an even worse game.

>>3516039
OK. I've seen few other disappointed reviews on the web though, but never got what they hated in the end. Of course MM7 has its flaws, but for me they never came close to overshadowing the game.

>>3515820
>Looks like on dark path, it's all reduced to 4x Shrapmetal for max damage.
When it comes down to being the most powerful, it really does. Sure there are other ways to play, but Shrapmetal is so strong that nothing will really compete the second half of the game.

>. Is it me or this doesn't allow for much interplay between classes like light magic?
Well the issues here are that:
1) Basic Light > Basic Dark
2) GM Dark > GM Light
3) Light assists other classes
4) Dark largely only benefits the caster
5) The only classes that are any different between light and dark path are monks and light/dark casters.

In terms of what is actually more powerful:
Knights/Monks/Paladins/Archers are clearly stronger light side (because of buffing spells and/or Paralyze).
Sorcerers/Clerics are clearly stronger dark side, but because of GM protection from magic you almost have to take a Cleric either way.

This leaves: Thieves, Rangers, and Druids which don't really fit into either path particularly well. The problem is these classes are largely regarded as the weakest classes. Hybrids in general weren't balanced particularly well because of how much GM does in most skills.

Thieves and Rangers are probably stronger dark side simply because of how easy their promotions are, but since you don't learn any different skills you don't really lose much going light. Druids on the other hand just got screwed. The effect of the dragon egg (which already takes forever to get) is so small that it really doesn't feel worth it to get Warlock. If you got, Master Dark or say +10 all magic skills, then sure. Instead you get almost nothing, when the Arch Druid quest is trivial.

>>3515237
are you seriously implying the dungeon design of MM6 was bad? tomb of varn was bad? do you have downs?

>>3515820
I would go with another melee (Knight or a second Paladin for double GM mace), especially if you want a different playstyle. Basically you will be holding out until you learn Vampiric Weapon and then watching as no one on your team ever dies from anything other than instagib. Merchant might be annoying, but just make sure to try to sell stuff in Stone City after you kill the trogs until you really get it cranked up.

>Does TPSS sound efficient?
It would work, but I don't think that's really what you are looking for based on how you have been responding and acting over the last couple threads. The thief will be completely dead weight in that comp.

>>3516147
>The thief will be completely dead weight in that comp.
Yeah, I guess my enthusiasm about Rangers quickly waned after I realized they simply don't get much potential after a certain threshold. My biggest fear is that with a thief, I'm simply getting another ranger…

I wonder though: I was thinking Disarm Trap would come in handy? I find it really convenient, especially for crammed spaces where you can't use Telekinesis, plus it's simply faster. I know, it's lazy, but Disarm Trap is a pretty rare skill. From my experience, expert in it is actually enough; the problem is, only monks and rangers get it. Archers do too, but only after the first promotion (despite what's written in the manual).

Still, I wonder about other aspects of the class too. Does Dagger GM have real benefits? I was thinking that I could put it in the left hand, and still keep attack/damage skill bonus. With 60 recovery, it's pretty easy to take it down to 30, right? I agree though knights/monks are far better in this, but still.

>>3516147
>I would go with another melee (Knight or a second Paladin for double GM mace), especially if you want a different playstyle.
What's the paladins' endgame? On dark path I guess they won't do much damage anyway, since they have no Armsmaster further than expert and GM Mace doesn't give damage bonus. Chance to paralyze sounds interesting, but the question is, how often it happens?

> instagib.
I feel I've greatly overestimated its importance, at least on Light Path.

>Merchant might be annoying, but just make sure to try to sell stuff in Stone City after you kill the trogs until you really get it cranked up.
That's my big concern too… But on the other hand, Alchemy master is available very early for Sorcerers, and I will have Enchant Item when I really need cash. Plus, what about stealing with thief? I tried it, shops close when I steal from them and it sucks.

>>3506428
Not to derail the thread or anything, but i bought master of magic on GoG and the game has like 20 second delays between turns when the CPU is calculating moves. Surely this is something I can fix? Any help welcome.

>>3516118
>Well the issues here are that:
>1) Basic Light > Basic Dark
>2) GM Dark > GM Light
>3) Light assists other classes
>4) Dark largely only benefits the caster
>5) The only classes that are any different between light and dark path are monks and light/dark casters.
Yeah, I totally agree with all of those points.

> This leaves: Thieves, Rangers, and Druids which don't really fit into either path particularly well. The problem is these classes are largely regarded as the weakest classes. Hybrids in general weren't balanced particularly well because of how much GM does in most skills.

Yep, I also totally agree with this. Sad but true. I expected Ranger was like half knight, half archer; but instead the class felt like a quarter of a knight and a quarter of an archer, with total lack of potential. The gap between my ranger and both classes was just huge, and absolutely nothing made up for it. All of the skills I had, Archers/Cleric did better.

It's sad, but seems like my run is looking almost pointless. Feels like I've explored all the best classes, which have the most interesting skills. It's not like the rest is weak, it's just that they seem boring and without any potential. Sorcerers, Knights, Clerics and Archers have all the best skills/GMs in the game.

>>3516269
Um, this is Heroes of Might and Magic thread, how can we help you?

>>3516281
Um...you tell me cunt face.

>>3516242
I tried to give you a party with the Ranger at its strongest when I said RAAC.
It just goes to show how terrible they are if you didn't like them even at their best.

Disarm is mildly useful, but since you will have regeneration anyway (once you kill Wromthrax) it isn't all that strong.

Stealing largely sucks, even if you steal successfully your reputation (and as a result the prices) get worse. If you have enough problems with gold that you feel you need to steal, you did something wrong.

GM dagger is mildly useful, but the point behind it is every skill point in dagger also increases the chance for a 3x proc from master. Especially without Light Magic, lowering recovery will be harder. Getting dagger to 30 recovery with Master Armsmaster is relatively trivial (which is the appeal of Thieves). The more I think about it, there really isn't ever a reason to pick up a Thief on Light path.

Paladins are all about mace skill. Even expert increases damage. Once you get mace to 30ish, every other attack with either stun or Paralyze. Since they can offhand a sword, they can put out a ton of damage. The problems with the class are expert armsmaster and not getting GM plate. They end up being so slow that they don't really compare to a knight and their healing misses out on the really powerful skills in GM body. If you use them light side, they have amazing damage and Paralyze/Destroy Undead on top of it. I personally have KPCS as my favorite team light side. On dark side it's basically enchant vampiric and watch as nothing can ever kill the Villain.

The only instagib that's really annoying is the Blaster Guy, and that's only because he can Eradicate more than 1 person at a time.

>>3516306
>Paladins are all about mace skill. Even expert increases damage
My bad, the FAQ I read had a mistake. Gotta find another sheet for skills.

> misses out on the really powerful skills in GM body.
How's Regeneration master vs GM? Also, I planned to use alchemy much more for the run: visit Clanker's Lab as soon as possible and get cooking. Maybe take +8 Alchemy NPC too.

>>3516361
>How's Regeneration master vs GM
About half strength if I remember right. It's not insignificant, but it isn't massive the way GM is. You also lose out on Power Cure and GM Protection from Magic. As I've said before, Paladins and Druids should have gotten GM body.

>>3516118
> 3) Light assists other classes
> Knights/Monks/Paladins/Archers are clearly stronger light side (because of buffing spells and/or Paralyze).
On a second thought, I've been wondering about this. Of course only dumping points in Light seems more efficient. But when it comes to details, I have some questions. I might be wrong here, but after 2 runs I can't help but have my doubts.

First of all, Hour of Power. It casts Bless, Heroism, Haste, Stone Skin and Shield at once. While they last much longer than normal spells, their effect isn't Light skill x5, it's only x1. And in any case, most of the time, I have more than enough time to finish a dungeon before the spells run out.

For Haste, skill doesn't even influence the effect: it always gives -25 recovery. Of course I will have to recast it often, but it costs just 5 and is an expert fire spell. And Heroism/Bless I can cast with the same effect with spirit magic. Stone Skin is pretty irrelevant.

Second, I also don't see that much point in Day of the Gods, in the late game. The bonus you get for it is not so big, compared to the effort you dump into it. Skill scaling in 100–399 range is not just garbage, it's ridiculously slow.

Third, Day of Protection. Now this is perhaps the most useful one, as casting 6 spells is simply tedious to begin with, and it uses not 2, but 6 school spells, and 5 points of protection instead of 4 is 25% better. Here, I agree largely. But on the other hand, nothing will still protect against dark/light magic. Also, knowing the enemy type, it's still possible to cast needed protection. The toughest part is mind damage though, as Mind skill is largely useless; but in a pinch, potions can do. They don't require skill, and with philosopher's stones they can easily surpass 60 skill points in Light. Tedious, but still possible.

Is my logic flawed here? I only see huge benefit from Divine Intervention, as it can turn Sorcerers into healers, and of course Paralyze.

>>3516426
The point is you don't have to split skill points across Fire, Spirit, Air, and even get some freebies. You can dump them all into one skill so the effect gets much stronger much faster and can be done by only 1 caster. Stats do scale poorly, but it isn't like they stop scaling. Until 250, you still get a boost at least fairly regularly. The other issue here is that the effect of extra recovery reduction increases as you get closer to cap. Going from 110 to 100 is minor. Going from 45 to 35 is major. The effect of speed alone can easily make it worth the points. You also get Day of Protection. The last thing to note is you are guaranteed an item of Light Magic (the Evermorn Cloak).


On top of all this you are also increasing Destroy Undead, Paralyze, Prismatic Light, and even Sunray ranked up effectively for free (in terms of skill points) for the caster.

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>>3516471
> The point is you don't have to split skill points across Fire, Spirit, Air, and even get some freebies.
But as I said, talking about Hour of Power, you don't really need to spend points on fire or air. The effect will be the same, albeit last shorter.

Spirit seems useless, on the one hand. On the other, it has some mildly useful spells along with Spirit Lash. I thought it was pretty cool when my cleric, instead of missing all the time, dealt 100 damage to Titans—more than my monks, because of the enemy's physical resistance.

> You can dump them all into one skill so the effect gets much stronger much faster and can be done by only 1 caster.
Really, the best Hour of Power benefits are all from spirit spells. (for Day of Protection the story is different though).

> Stats do scale poorly, but it isn't like they stop scaling. Until 250, you still get a boost at least fairly regularly.
From 50 to 250, a stat's effect increases by 1 for every 25 points. So, at GM level, every 5 points in Light Magic is -1 speed, +1 damage, +1 melee/ranged attack, and some unimportant SP/HP bonus. This sounds really ineffective, I'd much rather get damage and attack with Heroism/Bless, and speed with Haste.

Now the most complicated thing. Getting stats to 50–100 (9–10 effect) isn't that hard, but not so much beyond that. The next 350 or so stat points give only 11 effect, or 20 effect in total.

At absolute maximum, Light Magic level 60, you get +300 to each stat with DotG. But it still won't reach the sweet spot of 400–500 which scale much better (see picrelated). So in the end, the likely max bonus from Day of the Gods is -10 speed, and that's at max level, if you use the well .

So I think it's only ever useful to archers. Everyone else should probably, likely, get to 30 recovery by that point with Armsmaster enchantments. But then there's Speed Boost+philosopher's stone.

>>3516471
>Going from 110 to 100 is minor. Going from 45 to 35 is major. The effect of speed alone can easily make it worth the points.
I might be wrong here, but on my runs, getting 30 recovery wasn't a real problem for monks/knights. Armsmaster enchantments did their job, the rest was taken away by speed stat effect (9–10 points) or at least Haste. I realize this won't work for paladin, probably. But still, even considering his base mace recovery of 80, 80-25-10 is 45. Taking this to 30 needs a pretty average Armsmaster enchantment.

> The effect of speed alone can easily make it worth the points.
This is what I am actually doubting, see points above.

> The last thing to note is you are guaranteed an item of Light Magic (the Evermorn Cloak).
Yes, this one is actually quite a goof point. But there's also Ghost Ring in the haunted house (returning to my point about Spirit having Heroism and Bless).

> Day of Protection
Now this, as I said, is perhaps the most obvious benefit of Light to me. It will be hard to give it up. I might think of some strategy but something tells me I'm too lazy to do bother with anything else.

> On top of all this you are also increasing Destroy Undead, Paralyze, Prismatic Light, and even Sunray ranked up effectively for free (in terms of skill points) for the caster.
Here I mostly agree. However, the first two are basic light spells. Of course the recovery is slower on basic, but they don't get stronger with GM alone, only with level. Also, 1 hour and 2 hour Paralyze is not a big difference.

Prismatic Light deals 25+1*skill damage. Doesn't scale well at all. I tried it in the Pit. Helped get rid of ghosts, otherwise too weak.

Sunray I used only in one location: Eofol, and then again it didn't fare that well while eating my mana away (and I only killed Devils with it for Devil Ichor; completely unnecessary task). Being an outside-only spell kills it completely. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know little use for it.

>>3516548
I think you might be right on recovery. Something that just occurred to me is that in the older versions haste was completely bugged but Hour of Power worked fine. This may be why I'm remembering things differently. Making up that extra 25 recovery is damn near impossible for anything but a knight.

You can cap without the well since you only need to hit 40. Knowing this I usually stack speed items.

>Everyone else should probably, likely, get to 30 recovery by that point with Armsmaster enchantments.
Most weapons start around 100. Even with haste (25), speed (11), and armsmaster (20) you are still quite a way off from cap. Monks start off close enough to cap from unarmed that the effect doesn't matter. It's a DPS decrease to use a staff.

>>3516601
I usually add plate recovery time for Paladins.

Prismatic Light is also useful for clearing out the Wine Cellar.

>>3513280
>The first mod that added a new faction, but anons say it's imba
Sure, Cove is somewhat OP, but the existing OP factions (Necropolis and Conflux) are nerfed a bit. Plus there's a lot of extra content like new artifacts and creature banks that makes the mod overall worthwhile even if Cove is a mary sue faction.

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>>3516286

>>3516962
What's the biggest problem with cove?
Cannon?
Pihratehs copying Gorgon deathstare?

>>3516971
It's been a while since I played HotA because I can't get it to run with HD for some reason, but if I recall correctly, the main things were the Pirates' ranged Death Stare, Nixes being absolute defensive tanks and Sorceresses casting spells. The cannon isn't that bad because, while powerful, ideally you'd want to use it early game, and in early game the cannon's pretty expensive.

>>3516975
Oh yeah, Sorceresses shouldn't cast spells with each shot, there should be lower chances for this.

Imho Nixes are as good at tanking as other tanks, but that's maybe because I am total shit at this game.

>>3516620
> Most weapons start around 100.
From GrayFace's site:
Staff: 100
Sword: 90
Dagger: 60
Axe: 100
Spear: 80
Bow: 100
Mace: 80
Blaster: 30

So, he says the ones starting from 100 are staves, axes and bows. Sword comes close with 90, though.

> I usually add plate recovery time for Paladins.
Yep, that's an important point. Plate adds 30 of base recovery, and it's halved at expert, right? So it should be 15, if I'm not mistaken.

Let's see… 80 + 15 [plate] - 25 [Haste] - 10 (speed stat effect) = 60. Yeah, looking at it, it adds up quite a bit…

My first thought to lower it would be Armsmaster bonus items. The best Armsmaster enchantment I've found was +17, my guess is that it's capped at that level, plus you likely already have the skill on expert (4). So, if you equip an item with said enchantment, that leaves 39 recovery, which is not all that much but still not perfect.

Now, this can also be lowered, but harder. You could dump more points into Armsmaster to get it to lvl 13 (that'd cost another 81 skill points to be exact), it's a bit wasteful, but you also get attack bonus (though it's not so important with Bless). I don't really know how "Of Swiftness" mace recovery would calculate, GrayFace said he fixed it in MM6 but no word about MM7.

By comparison, Day of the Gods would give -9 recovery only at about Light Magic lvl 45. So, at base lvl 30 with Evenmorn cloak. This requires 465 skill points. Of course it would give other bonuses, but they won't be nearly as significant as those from Hour of Power. Still, I guess there's no big difference between 30–35, I'd settle for it because of the diminished returns from Light skill.

>>3516620
>haste was completely bugged but Hour of Power worked fine
I can only imagine the struggle of getting 30 recovery on dark path before the patch

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Mouthbreather of the year

>>3517295
I feel like everyone on that island is a little slow, maybe its incest.

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>>3517305
Don't know, the guy who hid in the temple killing others was pretty cunning. But yeah, being far away from Antagarich didn't play well for them.

Speaking of which, Sandro was one clever motherfucker. Or maybe it's the people he's worked with who weren't clever enough? He wisely chose Crag Hack. Could've gone very far.

Anyone knows especially advantageous dual-wielding setups for MM7? So far, I know only one: 2x vampiric weapons.

Most other stuff I see does not look super advantageous when you have Heroism/Bless. Plus, if you have a dagger in the left hand, only Dagger skill will add to attack/damage—same with swords. So no damage bonus in both cases for most classes.

>>3517341
>Don't know, the guy who hid in the temple killing others was pretty cunning.
Except for the fact that he can't see the giant red wall hiding the Moon Temple tile that doesn't even require Perception to see.

>>3517305
Malwick is the biggest idiot. Sure I could take that wand in exchange for a later favor, or I could not be retarded and pull a ton of Dragonflies onto you.

>>3517460
1 Vampiric or Darkness, 1 of the Dragon.

>>3518036
>1 Vampiric or Darkness, 1 of the Dragon.
I'm a bit confused. For dual wielding, do both enchantments on weapons work together? So if I have, say, 1 vampiric weapon and another one adding +12 body damage, will they stack? What about 2 adding +12 body damage?

Also, IIRC, you can still buy vampiric weapons in the Pit on light path, is that correct? Just curious. Might use it for future plays

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RPGClassics is down. Saving their skill tables from Google cache

I wonder if the whole site is over 100mb

>>3518061
The effect of vampiric only affects the weapon it is enchanted to. You really only need it for 1 weapon unless you are either taking a ridiculous amount of damage.

The +dmg stacks, if you have 2 +12 body damage then it's +24 body damage if both weapons hit. This is why dual wielding is so important. Dragon+Vampiric means the vampiric weapon returns the hp and the dragon weapon has +25 might and also adds 10-20.

>Also, IIRC, you can still buy vampiric weapons in the Pit on light path, is that correct?
What? No. There is a guaranteed vampiric sword dropped in Setag's Tower during the Hero quest, but other than that you have to find them as drops on light path.

>>3518072
>The +dmg stacks, if you have 2 +12 body damage then it's +24 body damage if both weapons hit.
Holy shit, I didn't know this. This potentially makes daggers so much more useful. You're right, dual wielding might be great, gotta try it out more.

> What? No. There is a guaranteed vampiric sword dropped in Setag's Tower during the Hero quest, but other than that you have to find them as drops on light path.
Hm, maybe I was wrong… It was a long time ago. On my first run on dark path, I think I saw some weapons on sale there, but I might be completely wrong on it. So I assumed on light path they could still be there. I wonder if Enchant Item or orange ore could give me one.

William Setag is Bill Gates with last name spelt backwards

>>3518106
> William Setag is Bill Gates with last name spelt backwards
I always forget how much he was hated in the 90's for how ruthless he was, but now everyone loves him because he gives money to Africa or some shit.

>>3518106
Vampiric is too high level of an enchant to do it yourself (level 5, enchant is 3 for master and 4 for GM). It's possible you might find them in the Pit, but it would be as just a random chance although I don't remember what weapon enchant level is in the Pit. If you can find "of infernos" or "of ice" then there is probably a chance for vampiric.

>>3518114
It was as much Jobs being an ass as anything else that repaired Gates' image. We're at the point where hipsters can buy Microsoft phones just to be contrarian.

>>3518106
Stalt would absolutely work and might even give darkness (which is vampiric AND swiftness). Erudite should work, but will take a lot longer. It's not like you have anything to do with the stalt from the Arcomage quest otherwise.

>>3518217
Pretty sure Vampiric is level 6 which would require Stalt.

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Necro has best memes. Post 'em.

>>3518254

Stronghold needs more memes
>>3476705 and >>3475218 were a good start

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Anytime I see this I think of that ridiculous mspaint.

>>3519262
I wish there were more mspaint drawings of absurd situations in HoMM

>>3519314
Like what?
Shipwreck survivor with admiral's hat?

>>3519325
Isn't the Admiral's hat a relic class item? Can shipwreck survivors even give those?

>>3519327
iirc you can program them, can't you?

>>3519329
ya

>>3519602
shit, I need to gather enough enthusiasm to finish my economic map...
but maybe not today

>>3517152
>The best Armsmaster enchantment I've found was +17, my guess is that it's capped at that level

cap is 17 for your own enchantments. Stuff off titans and dragons goes up to 25

>>3519881
For armsmaster? No, drops are capped at 12. Disarm, Alchemy, and Identify are up to 25.

>>3519952
I've gotten armsmaster +22 or +24 from dragons in eeofol

>>3520175
same

>>3520175
In mods sure, in the base game no.

>>3520187
It was greyface patch, which i'm pretty sure doesn't change that at all.

On plate, btw.

>>3520175
>>3520186
I've been trying for a very long time, couldn't get it. Of course could be bad luck, but I had been multilooting for quite some time.

If you have a screenshot, please share.

>>3508045
>mmo
I'm not saying an MMO is impossible to make well, but there is not a current style of MMO that I would want M&M turned into.

>blizzard art style
Fuck off.

>two faction pvp
No.

MM7 question: late game enemies like Titans/Behemoths have armor/weapon break. Harden Item potion prevents it. But does the potion power affect anything? Can a hardened item be broken at all by the enemy?

>>3522016
Maybe the potion power is related to how long the item is unbreakable, for example a pp of 15 would give the item unbreakable for 15 minutes.

>>3522016
>But does the potion power affect anything?
No, it's the same thing as potion power for cure weakness. It carries over to higher level potions (such as if you create a divine power from it), but has no effect on the potion itself.

>>3522029
OK, thanks. And is the item completely unbreakable after it's hardened?

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>>3519262
>>3519314
>>3519325

Say no more f@m

So far in MM7 paladin actually seems OK. Plate is a big plus early on, and getting master seems piss easy. On the other hand, needing the first promotion to even get expert Body/Spirit is really annoying, and they get very little SP. So, at least so far they seem alright.

>>3523216

self magic is mostly garbage. you miss out on GM armsmaster meaning you deal half the damage of a knight, who winds up healing way more than you anyway once he gets a vampiric weapon. Pointless to do anything other than kkcs or aaac, except maybe a monk, just for funsies (in terms of having a strong party. You can beat the game with any party.

>>3515096
>>3515103
>>3515112
>dat minimap fog
How the fuck did they manage that in MM6?
>New Sorpigal entry point fogged off
>Stables fogged off
>Ships fogged off
Starting boat to Mist then BB and then just walking south?

>>3523506
Yes, no arguing here. But just to give the context: I've recently beaten the game for the third time and decided to make a slightly different run. My previous runs were:

1) KMDC, dark path
2) MMSC, light path
3) RAAC, light path

So you can see I've never tried some classes, namely thief and paladin, so I wanted to finally do that. Also, I got tired of clerics and light magic, and decided to use something different. So I made a PTSS party, with dark path in mind. Paladin partially fills the role of the cleric for my run.

So basically, I'm trying new things and in addition making a challenge for myself, that's why I chose paladin. He isn't as strong as other classes of course, but pretty interesting to play nonetheless. A knight is the strongest combat class, but at the same time very one-sided: he has no magic and his misc skills are capped too low to be useful. So to me, it's a pretty boring class to play.

>>3523216
Paladin is not a bad class. It's in the same tier as monks. They have uses, but knights will always outclass them due to scaling.

The mace stun is lots of fun though.

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Oh good, a new HoMM thread. Time to summon Alex!

Also, to add to this: I think knight doesn't really have any variety. MM7 skill system gives nice and varied combat spells, but when it comes to weapons, you're mostly stuck with 1 attack repeated forever. It's a little bit sad there are no special actions/abilities, like e.g. shield bash and such. Of course this isn't Diablo, but not a turn-based dungeon crawler either.

Of course you could tinker with different skills, but the best combos for knights are very obvious, namely spear + sword.

Also, maybe in the end "pure" might or "pure" magic classes are more efficient than mixed ones. But this also means that you will have a ~900HP knight together with a ~200 HP cleric who will easily die from one unlucky Dragon Breath. And frankly speaking, I got really tired of clerics garbage damage on light path.

>>3523813
The central problem with knights is that GM armsmaster is more than enough, but they also get GM body building (should go to monks) and GM plate (should go to Paladins). This gives them not only an amazing offense, but the best defense in the game on top of it.

>>3515096
>waaah this game looks different from later games in the series!
Faggot.

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Hey /vr/, any reason why there aren't any turn-based heroes-like games being made aside from UbiShit?

I get that TBS lost its appeal a decade and a half ago, but there clearly is still a market for good games of the genre if heroes is still this popular.

Wouldn't it also be relatively easy to make? I get that AAA devs don't wanna touch it, but wouldnt a GOOD indie turn-based fantasy game do really well?

>>3524917
Age of Wonders 3 came out several years ago, did well as far as I know.

>>3524917
People have moved on to superior Dominions

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Ubisoft Might & Magic franchise is finally dead so...
Imagine that you have your own game dev company and you bought rights for Might & Magic franchise from Ubisoft
The only snag is that your games must be done on new world/universum so no Enroth, Axeoth etc
How your Homm/MM game would look like, story, armies, ideas etc

>>3524917
>if heroes is still this popular.
'This' popular? It's not very popular really. VI has also bankrupted its dev, and VII is getting shit on from all sides. You call this popular?

PC has been a piracy shithole for years now. So no one makes PC games aside from few remaining mammoths of the industry like Blizzshit and different European studios who had the misfortune to choose strategies as their main product. PC only gets console ports, and making a TBS for consoles is something few if any Western devs have tried.

> but there clearly is still a market for good games of the genre.
Really? TBS is close to being as popular as point-and-click adventure at this point. You could as well ask for another old school Full Throttle/Broken Sword. Not even indie devs touch the genre very often.

Of all genres that used to be associated with PC, there is clearly a demand only for FPS, RPGs, MMORPG and MOBA. Few surviving strategy devs make games which require no big expenses on graphics, like Paradox. Other few remaining studios like Total War devs have big and active fanbases, plus a selling point (thousands of units onscreen). Same with Blizzcucks who have a legion of 17 trillion Koreans ready to buy new Starcraft games.

And they're lucky, very lucky indeed. Look at C&C, Age of Empires, Sim City—the list goes on. Making a strategy game in 2016 is going against the current, slowly committing your own commercial suicide. The golden age of strategies is gone, and even then, Heroes III was popular but not THAT popular back in the day.

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>>3524917
Palm Kingdoms

>>3525372
If I ever was making HoMM game I'd take what's best from all other TBS games there are.

>imagine Heroes, but with Civ twist.

>>3525395
>imagine Heroes, but with Civ twist.

shit

>>3525405
At least It'd have hexes somewhere

>>3525372
Setting doesn't matter that much. Just make something not as bland as Ashan and bring back the campy fantasy/sci-fi feel for M&M and HoMM. Gameplay remains mostly the same with quality of life improvements and better balance.

Just got HoMM2 on GOG. Is there a way to not have the map chug when moving around the overworld or is it just like that?

>>3525372
Invite JVC. The end

If it's not the option… Well, I'd make two versions of the game: 1 with Heroes II art style, the other with 3D characters (but not Warcraft/Starcraft style like ubishit).

Gameplay-wise, I'd change the might/magic hero balance. Giving might characters wisdom and all the best buffs is wrong IMO, so I'd nerf them. I have an idea: along with melee/ranged units, add caster units like in HoMMIV. They know some of the spells a hero knows, capped at certain level (so e.g. lvl 7 knows all of the spells, but lvl 1 knows only magic arrow). Number of creatures acts as spell power. This way, magic heroes would still get stronger with bigger armies.

Then, to make the game closer to M&M RPGs, I think I'd introduce promotions for heroes, each one adding more skill slots or allowing to advance skills further. I'd also add self/elemental magic and light/dark spells too, only available for the most powerful magic towns and heroes like dungeon/warlocks. Next, give more guilds to each town instead of just one, with less random stuff.

Finally, I'd try to eliminate different mechanics which look really tedious to me, like hero supply chaining. Artifact/army exchange would end both heroes' turns for the day.

>>3525470
>Number of creatures acts as spell power.

What a piece of shit

>dark spells too, only available for the most powerful magic towns and heroes like dungeon/warlocks.

Nice shit ballance

>give more guilds to each town

What?

Hope I'm not unintentionally stirring shit, but what would be the best Might&Magic game for someone who has never played the series, but likes very difficult, open-ended RPGs with lots of freedom?

>>3525678
Start at 1 if that's what you are looking for. The series gets much more casual friendly once it hits 3.

Also read the OP pastebin which talks about the different generations.

>>3525784
Thanks.

Yeah, sorry, I should've read the pastebin. I somehow didn't even notice it. I feel kinda silly now.

>>3525678
> very difficult
I think Wizardry 4 might be more down your alley. From what I've heard 1 and 2 could be hardest M&M games, but they quite are old (the first one turned 30 this year). Newer games (6 and 7) are not even close to this criteria; to give you the idea, they start with parties of 4 characters, but people are beating them solo and even on lvl 1 for challenge.

But just in case you meant "complex", then they might be what you're looking for—in terms of gameplay. In terms of plot/world, they aren't really super deep or immersive.

> open-ended RPGs with lots of freedom
Depends on what kind of "freedom" you mean. If you want lots of branching dialogs, non-linear plot and world that changes with your actions, you can safely forget about M&M and never even think of it again: it's not a "plot/world building" RPG at all, it's centered on gameplay. That said, if you want diverse classes, a great control over your character development and a freedom of world exploration, then you might want to give it a chance. But I assume that's not what you meant.

>>3525678
Might and Magic series isn't that hard. Mandate of heaven is the most challenging out of 6-8 though (and also the best one) and a good starting point.

I'm on the final mission of Restoration of Erathia, not sure which item to chose. Any suggestions?

Also, wish me good luck.

>>3526625
>implying we remember
Post a screenshot of your options.

As I remember it's irrelevant as long as you aren't retarded and already have Dimension Door.

>>3526715
Spellbinder's Hat
Tome of Earth Magic
Helmet of Heavenly Enlightenment

>>3526728
You shouldn't need the first two if you're on the last mission since you should have all of the important spells, take the helm.

Anyone here have a clue on how to set up dosbox on android? I can't for the life of me figure out how to install games. Because the guide doesn't mention how to assign directories as mountable.

I really want to play Homm2 on the go.

>>3526728
If you have dimension door and town portal like you should then the helm. Otherwise get the hat for fly, implosion, and dimension door.

>>3526734
>>3526765
Thanks, anons. I'll give it a try.

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>>3518254

>>3508045
I've played HoMM:O (by TQDigital) and it was awesome

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>>3525470
>Arifact/army exchange would end both heroes' turns for the day

Nope

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>Play map that showed up in the last thread
>Takes almost a fucking year, twice as much as any other map I've played
>Still ends up being one of my best scores
Well shit

>>3527214
To each his own, this is just how I'd do it.

I'm sick of high level players and their autistic strategy of juggling their army between their heroes, then maximizing movement points by giving their main hero only high-speed units at the end of the turn. At least there should be a movement penalty for exchanging artifacts/army. Since Heroes still doesn't have simultaneous turns, this kind of army juggling makes the game even longer. It has been inconvenient as fuck in H3, HD mod made it easier to an extent but still it's very inconvenient in its core.

To me, H3 is a micromanagement hell if you play it this way. I'm not kidding. I'm sick of keeping track of my 8 randomly generated heroes, what equipment/skills they have, and what I need to built in my #4 dungeon city descriptively named "Blackshire". I go away for a week, I can't remember what I did in the game and where I stopped, because there's a hundred things I needed to keep track of.

So yes, H3 is not the game for me.

>>3527279
I will never stop shilling for TEW2, that map is a mandatory playthrough for anyone who likes HoMM3 single player, the attention to detail could have textbooks written about it.

Rest of the TEW series is great too.

>>3527289
Play maps that focus on a single hero. Stuff like Lord of War or Adventures of Jared Haret. Aforementioned TEW2 is about building Maximus up. If you're not grokking score out, you will only need your main hero and maybe some specialists like Logistics specialist or Intelligence specialist.

When I play with 8 heroes I mostly relegate them to flagging mines and not juggling armies; you don't need autistic chaining to win balanced SP maps.

That and I like doing stuff like putting fast units on a magic hero and having him romp through the map Lightning Bolting everything and clearing mines. Speeds up the overall game while not being too micro-anal.

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Don't worry folks the map is still in progress

>>3529030
this is a single player map with HoTA right?

>>3529034
It can be multi

How the fuck does combat in Might and Magic 6 work? Do I just mash the button? Should I get everyone bow skills?

Also, should I get 7-9?

>>3529297
You hold the attack button and you don't run.

> Should I get everyone bow skills?
It's useful in the beginning, not so much late game.

> Also, should I get 7-9?
7—I'd say absolutely. 8—if you don't get enough after VII or get it for cheap.

But 9—no. It was basically unfinished alpha of the game, released only because the publisher was going bankrupt and was looking for the last straw. Fans tried to make it playable but it's still not there, it's has too many bugs which makes it barely playable. Don't try it unless you are prepared to play a half-finished game and be very, very disappointed.

>>3529297
>Should I get everyone bow skills?

It's actually "mandatory" skill if you want to make fights easy, just don't give any skill points to it

>>3525395
>imagine Heroes, but with Civ twist.

You mean Fall From Heaven?

>>3529381
>Fall From Heaven
I think I've played something from those people.
Felt like it had elements of non TBS way too overblown to be good TBS

>>3529297
A to attack with melee when up close or bow from a distance, B to skip turn, S to cast spell or shoot bow if no spell is assigned to quickslot. Also when fighting in realtime mode hold shift to walk while fighting for faster recovery. Bows are great in the early game.

>>3529317
9 isn't the worst game ever like some people make it out to be it still has some of that NWC charm. It's not as good as the rest of the series though.

>>3529431
God forbid you start from it. I guess people seem curious and assume that since IX was the last game, it should've been the best and most modern one. It also is in full polygonal 3D so I guess many would pick it over rather outdated-looking MM6–8. Of course they think 9 is a full finished product which passed bug testing and all—after all, nothing suggests otherwise.

When in fact some of the devs said that if it was for him, the game would've never been released, at least in the state it was (pretty much alpha).

>>3527289
I just play more recklessly and definitely not on the highest difficulty. The autism strategy isn't for me either; I'd rather lose 8 Goblings in a play instead of making like 5 separate stacks each time I fight something.

I'm really surprised there's no fan made sequels using the 6-8 engine.
Is it really that hard to mod?

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>>3529529
A lots of guys tried and everything failed.

>>3529551
what the fuck

>>3529529
>>3529572
Be careful what you wish for

>>3529529
TCC and Rev4 are the only mods that are more than just spawn/stat/skill rebalances but still worth playing.

>>3529551
I'd still play it if the dungeons are good.

>>3529529
I remember some webms of a guy doing a game like MM6-8 in Unreal engine.

>>3529529
There are a couple but they are in Chinese and untranslated.

>>3518270
the memes got deleted? what the fuck 4chan...

i love this game but i never start my lans early enough

they usually start around 8 and everyone loses steam in 2 hours

>>3530081
The thread probably dropped off 4chans archive, it can still be found on the off site archive.

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>>3530081
It fell off the archive. This is normal, just like the OP "old thread" link is dead now too.

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>>3530106

>>3506448
>not recruiting what you can't afford to lose at the end of every month

>>3519262
I like to think of that artifact as a miniature Antagarich Edition Monopoly token.
inb4 antagarich monopoly board

>>3530380
>castles instead of properties
>dwellings instead of houses and hotels
>windmill and watermill instead of piping and electricity
>gates replace rail stations
>PLAGUE WEEK inc. as taxes
>pandora boxes and chests as those pesky cards


Tbh, it should be doable in game,

>>3530934
Some autist actually could make such a mod.

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>>3518270
Here you go

>>3531434
how hard would it be to mod homm3? how easy would it be with modern tech?

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nice

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>>3532908
>click on torch in corner of room
>get "hand axe of the gods"

>>3532908
That's been a in game meme since all the way back at MM2. They berserked and could attack everyone, but would die after their attacks.

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>>3533525
I like how the devs got so butthurt at a negative MM2 review they added the reviewer to MM3 as an enemy.

>>3533556
The shitlords.

>>3533556
jvc is the goat

>>3517305
The lore deepens

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What the fuck is wrong with his face? He looks like a wooden puppet.

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Expert Mace teacher from MM7 looks like he's utterly unimpressed with my world-saving bullshit

>>3534085
>>3534093
That's early 3D graphics for you.

>>3534085
Did you play HoMM4? He basically was.

>>3534093
>Using the mace
>For damage
>On anything but a paladin

>>3534146
>Did you play HoMM4? He basically was.
He went crazy after his "death" in the Reckoning. He was alright before, founded Bracada and did other lawful good things.

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>>3534139
That's the thing… The rest of the portraits in MM7 look fine. Only Magnus has weirdly angular face.

>>3534265
magnus' face was just screencapped from a video cutscene. The nicer faces are still renders.

so i installed homm3 from the mega link but didnt see any options in game. how can I change the resolution/go windowed if possible? thanks

>>3534762

Hd mod

ALEXANDRA I LOVE U

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>>3535512
FUCK YOU FAGGOT

I LOVE YOU MORE ALEXANDRA LET'S GROW OLD TOGETHER

>polite gentleman's sage

my apologies to HoMM regulars, we have a crossboard problem that will be resolved shortly

>>3535529
A-alex is that you ?

I love you so much

I love you, Alex.

I love you Alex

love you alex

I love you Alex

Praise Kek!

I love you alex. you should have been cast as wonder woman

No matter how many times I play MM7 and complete sorcerer's first promotion, it always seems so annoying. Some parts are piss easy, like 1 in Barrow Downs and the head in Bracada. But that one on an island choke full with water elementals in Avlee is hard as fuck—never mind that I was flying, used all water resistance pedestals I could find and so on. And to pick all of them, you have to travel to 5 different locations. Feels more like work than play

>>3535619
I think its an appropriate difficulty considering with the Sorcerer promotion you unlock TP and Fly.

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we will never get a good new M&M game

why live

>>3535641
What is that, some HoMM mod for M&B?

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>>3535650
Chronicles of Might and Magic. It's uhh... Playable.

>>3535651
What have they done to you Gelu?

>>3535619
You aren't supposed to do the Avlee one directly. There is a Fly scroll in the chest with the Abbey Normal Golem Head and at the same time pick up the shrine for the druid promotion.

You can move up and down in the air freely in turn based combat to dodge attacks. There is a set of chests in the middle. Fly over them and press enter. Then lower yourself to avoid all the water attacks. Once you get the part, Fly back up and then zigzag the same way monsters do to avoid ranged attacks.

>>3535651
nice textures

>>3535659
I'm more concerned about that Grand Elf. He has seen some shit.

>>3535661
>You aren't supposed to do the Avlee one directly. There is a Fly scroll in the chest with the Abbey Normal Golem Head and at the same time pick up the shrine for the druid promotion.
Hm, good thing I did exactly that, I wasn't sure that was made deliberately.

> You can move up and down in the air freely in turn based combat to dodge attacks.
Didn't know that, thanks. I took the chest after all, but it left a bitter aftertaste

I LOVE YOU ALEX!

You replying to my post is the last thing that can save me from suicide.

Pls love me like I do love you ;-----;

>>3535712
>I took the chest after all, but it left a bitter aftertaste
If you don't mind savescumming you can save before you enter a magic shop in either Erathia, Tularean forest, Bracada or Deyja and buy a telekinesis scroll.

>>3535751
Or Invisibility

>>3535651
post the webm with the spellbook

>>3535751
I guess my biggest complaint was that there were 4 or 3 chests on the island. That made it more annoying than it should've been. But now that I know the turn based mode trick this part will be a piece of cake. The whole quest is still a little bit too complicated IMO.

>>3535628
Druid promotion is way easier and it gives you all that plus master body/spirit. You know, I'd rather have harder promotion to arch mage or lich.

>>3535659
He kinda reminds me of older Mark Hamill

>>3535739
:)

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> Find best ore
> Don't want to spoil the challenge

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Here's something I've been wondering in MM7 for a while now.

A lot of NPCs talk about "fallen trees". But I have never seen those in the game, let alone ones which had hidden stuff inside. What the fuck?

check that leet chandelier

>>3536156
I was never sure if it was just a random conversation topic or if they were referring to the Trees in Tularean Forest after you kill them.

>>3536186
> "it can also be home to insects or worse!"'
Doesn't sound like trees from Tularean forest. In fact, I forget, but I think they didn't even have any drop in the first place.

My assumption is that it was a feature NWC wanted to implement but decided against it last minute. Given that MM7 was rushed and had bugs, I don't think that's out of question. Also, imagine clicking/looking for dead trees—the game already has enough hidden crap that's hard to see/remember.

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What is this, Earthbound? This guy had surprisingly little to tell me

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>>3536326

>>3536156

I think they meant trees in Tularean Forest. At least that's what I thought years ago.

>>3536204
>I forget, but I think they didn't even have any drop in the first place.

Once in a blue moon the trees dropped gold or gems.

>>3536430
But certainly not insects. Also, The NPC I screencapped was in Deyja. There are a few others in different cities, they all say the same thing

>>3536421
See >>3536204 . They barely have any drop and certainly don't have insects. In any case, the NPC talks like those "trees" are a part of game mechanic, similar to how other NPCs talk about "Challenges", "Trading" and so on. But they only appear specifically in Tularean Forest, and NPC there talk about them in a separate message.

I imagined there was some fallen tree map object similar to other minor sprites like stones, cacti and so on. That you could click those things and they could occasionally give you an item or summon insects or enemies.

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>>3536484
> Check a tree
> No bows of carnage

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Wow this game is hard

>>3536743
????

Alex was never here you dumbfucks.

>>3536747
Just kidding. I got some genie lamps, it was October in the game so I tried to see if they'd give me +8 skill points. They gave +6 but also caused eradication. So I made this pic for the lulz

>>3536484
>not forcing correct aspect ratio
wew lad

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> Be Sandro
> Be skeleton
> Able to make "human disguise" of flesh
Skynet sending terminators to 1168 AD now

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>mfw I realized I just played homm2 all weekend

HoMM7 sold half as much MMX. Does this mean they'll finally stop making shitty cash grabs?
http://steamspy.com/app/238750
http://steamspy.com/app/321960

>>3537587
HAHAHA

no

>>3537865
Aren't they burrying the franchise because of the gameloft buyout?

It seems there are a few different versions of HoMM 3 out there (HD and whatnot).

Where should I get it from? Is the gog.com version good enough?

>>3537937
Read the pastebin

Only get GOG.com version, Heroes Complete. You get all the expansions with it. I recommend installing HD mod on it immediately.

>>3537937
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:cf2f529c63c2feb015f422f2d4bde148369a248f&dn=Heroes%20of%20Might%20and%20Magic%20III%20GOG&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbt3.t-ru.org%2fann&tr=http%3a%2f%2fretracker.local%2fannounce

Here you go.

>>3537941
Thanks

>>3537942
I bought it legally on gog

>>3537587
>>3537865
>>3537874
Apparently they're making a mobile game set during the events of HoMM3 for China. So the whoring of this dead corpse isn't done yet.

>>3537963
>giving money to ubisoft

>>3523053
Kek

>>3537503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uPRUonK0f4

>>3537941
> I recommend installing HD mod on it immediately

So, looking at this mod: https://sites.google.com/site/heroes3hd/
it says
> HoMM3 HD is not compatible with The Restoration of Erathia, Armageddon's Blade, Heroes Chronicles!

The fuck is up with that?

Restoration and Armageddon are the best campaigns of the entire game

>>3538519
You should be playing HoMM3 Complete or Shadow of Death, RoA and AB are older versions of the game, and those campaigns are included in the Complete and SoD versions.

The perks of playing "garbage" classes: Villain and Assassin promotions completed in under 15 minutes

>>3539015
Yes, those are two of the easiest promotions. Bounty Hunter is pretty easy too.

Ranger Lord on the other hand can be a bit of a pain.

Nothing will ever compare to the difference between Arch Druid and Warlock though. What a shitshow.

>>3539090
> Nothing will ever compare to the difference between Arch Druid and Warlock though. What a shitshow.
IMO it's ironic since I'd actually find some use for Arch Druid on Light Path, specifically for Divine Rejuvenation. But on dark path he seems more useless than ever.

By the way, the run is going pretty smoothly so far. I immediately dumped a lot of points into Spirit for my paladin, Heroism+Bless had solved most dungeons for me. I didn't even use Heal much, potions had filled my needs most of the time. I now plan to raid Clanker's Lab, but maybe I should just wait for the quest now that I think of it.

fuck me why is the lair of the wolf so fucking huge
i don't have a cure disease spell either

>>3539723
After you get the pearl of purity and can enter the main part it isn't all that big.

>i don't have a cure disease spell either
Set a beacon and go get it right fucking now, and also get Power Cure if you don't have it. They are sold in Free Haven in the Body guild.

What are some good companions for MM6 after you get town portal?

>>3539748
Instructor/Teacher if you want experience
Duper/Merchant if you need gold

Spell Master/Mystic if you want all your spell skills increased by 7. If you can afford them, stick with these two. They are so powerful they were actually nerfed to only affecting Elemental Magic in MM7.

>>3538209
That island is definitely an intentional penis.

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Assassin promotion guy looks like Italian Spiderman

I had a very weird occurrence in MM7 once.

I was in Tularen forest, I went to the boat and I think it was closed because it was nighttime. So I decided to rest right at its door.

But when I woke up, an elven archer was shooting me. WTF? I didn't do anything at all. Did they take me for a hobo resting at their boat?

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I've only played HoMM3. Should I play any others?

>>3540649
II and V are worth trying. V has the 5.5 mod, which is kinda like WoG/ERA and help it a lot.

IV is kinda take it or leave it. Equilbris helps, but it really comes down to how you feel about the hero being a unit.

>>3540679
are there no mods for V that don't need Tribes of the East?

>>3540965
I doubt it, it runs like shit without TotE; there would be no point in modding the base game

>>3540679
2 is definitely worth playing.

5 is basically an attempted clone of 3 except in the new UbiWorld. The skill wheel is a neat idea, but the balance is a mess until you get TotE. Campaigns are worth playing.

>>3540464
There is always a random chance of an encounter (which wakes you up) any time you sleep outdoors. It's smaller near cities, but still exists.

>>3541316
Balance is a mess in TotE too, you basically need 5.5 if you want anything like functional multiplayer

>>3540679
>WOG/ERA
>not HOTA

>>3541316
>There is always a random chance of an encounter (which wakes you up) any time you sleep outdoors. It's smaller near cities, but still exists.
Ahh, that explains it… I thought it happened only near wandering monsters (e.g. in Tatalia). It was really weird to see city's guardians attack me out of the blue.

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Resurrecting the thread

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>>3542648
With no survivors!

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>>3542657
I ain't afraid of no skeleton, I've seen spookier things in my life

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> become lich
> immune to body/mind spells
> still susceptible to instadeath
what do

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New town!
The Abyss!

>>3542798
wat

>>3542798
>>3542798
HotA?
>Abyss
Of fucking course it has to be HotA!

>>3542798
>more pirate/deep sea stuff

Why do Russians like this so much?

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>>3542798
Like you could even walk underseas in Heroes

>>3542657
>Prince Nicolai looks down from his carry-chair in the top right thinking "that's right, entertain me peasants. Ooh a skeleton this time!"

>>3542839
I don't know about deep sea but Might and Magic 6 and 8 talk about pirates a lot.

>>3542798
Aw yiss. Based Russians. Here's hoping they add an "ocean floor", subterra gets old.

Think they'll ever add a third layer to the world? Flying castles and floating islands would be really cool.

>>3542898
Like an entire new map layer? mite b cool

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>>3542886
MM7 has one underwater area. It's nearly empty though.

Heroes IV had sea monsters. But I doubt they had much of a civilization to speak of.

Can someone explain to me who is alex and why does /tv/ want to talk to her

>>3543465
Some z-list celeb. Someone on /tv/ started a rumor that she visits HoMM threads on /vr/.

https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/important-announcement-from-the-team

>>3543492
And nothing of value was lost

>>3543492
> release buggy as fuck game
> multiplayer barely works
> release an expansion before fixing all the bugs
> "WE ARE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE GAME IS NOT SUPPORTED ANYMORE! THANK YOU AGAIN! now if you can kindly fuck off please"
Classic Ubi

>>3543492
I hope those french jews get bought out and ruined by even greedier french jews.

ive only played hom&m 2 and i always play the same map broken alliance
lol the same one the demo came with

It's just funny that UbiSoft now makes yet ANOTHER fuckup with Heroes. No, really.

> Make shit tier Heroes VI which everyone hated
> The dev goes bankrupt
> Make Heroes 3 HD which is worse than the cheaper original
> Make Heroes VII which is bugged to hell
> Cease support for it when the game is still broken

UbiSoft selling the franchise when?

>>3543517
They're in the whore out the IP to some chinks for a shit mobile game mode now, it's as good as dead to them.

>>3543696
I think at this point they might lower the series' profile. Lower budgets, straight-to-Steam games, focus on muh nostalgia. I hope they cease making them altogether, but it's not like Ubi to stop: Jews never sleep.

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> get lich promotion and GM Dark
> go to Wizard school
> kill everyone with Dragon Breath and Shrapmetal
Uncle Anakin would be proud.

Fuck yeah, it's good to be bad. I plan to get the worst possible reputation in Bracada and killed everything that moves in Celeste eventually.

Any other ideas for evil deeds in MM7?

>>3543768
Did you give the double agent to Catherine and the false plans to Parson?

>>3543768
Armageddon in random areas is always the correct answer.

If you really want some good fun, go ahead and wipe out everyone in the human and Elvish castles, since they are hostile to you anyway. Murdering Stone City also works.

>>3543774
>There are people that have never done this

>>3543768
1) Hire NPCs
2) Cast Sacrifice
3) Repeat as necessary