HoMM/Might and Magic thread

Good to see the thread is back.

>>3474450
Woke up this morning and saw it was dead so I made a new one.

>>3474529
You're the guy who's been trying out odd parties in MM7 right? Hows the current run going?

>>3474567
Not him, sorry.

>>3474567
> anything but 2 melee guys + CS
> "odd"
OK

Well I am the guy who has been trying to run with RAAC, but I had been very busy for the last 2 days. I realized I needed to save/load to get a scholar hireling

What's the best mainline M&M game to play first? Not necessarily the best one, but the one that's easiest to get into.

My only dungeon crawler experience is Wizardry 8.

>>3474765
Any one except for IX is at least good. 1 and 2 are good too, but they are just a bit too old both from the tech and gameplay point, you will need a specific setup to play them (see the pastebin)

Not being very much into pre-Windows games myself, I'd say M&M6 is a good place to start. You won't have any hassle—just apply GrayFace patch to the game and you're good to go. Not to mention the game is in 3D and all that, with mouse look if you install the patch.

If you're not afraid of older games, you can start from 3.

>>3474765
6 or 3

So, talking about M&M7: is there actually no way to avoid instant kill attacks without GM Body? I really, REALLY hoped there was no bad instakill in M&M7. So far it looks like I was wrong.

I guess you could avoid it if you fight from a range. But then again, there are minotaurs who can surround you and fuck you up big time. To heck with minotaurs—even the wyverns in Avlee can instakill.

Neither are required to kill… But I have no idea what I'd do in the minotaur maze with a fighter party without GM body.

>>3474765
I only ever played M&M 6 and I loved it, didn't feel lost in any way.

>>3474814
>>3474826
>>3474853

Thanks guys. I'll download me some M&M6

>>3474567
Speaking of odd parties, what's the oddest party you guys have ever tried in any of the M&M games?
Did you manage to finish the game with that party?

>>3474765
7 is probably the easiest to get into, but definitely not the best. it's much more hand-holdy than the other games.

>>3474843
I believe there was some discussion in the last thread that you can stack body resistance to at least avoid the chance of an instakill effect, but its not the same as GM protection from magic obviously.

>>3474957
Yep, it was I who wrote that, but still it's pretty hard to get it under 10%.

If everything is correct, GrayFace's page suggests that the chance of death/eradication working is

> 30/(30 + LuckEffect + BodyResistance).

Since luck effect is impossible to get over 30, and very hard to get even to 15 without potions, the best bet here is to increase Body resistance.

But, Body Resistance potion adds 3 x (potion power) points to the resistance in question. Even
using philosopher's stone, it will add around 300 points to it. Meaning, there will still be ~10% of getting instant death. That's not over 50% for sure, but still not full protection.

I have tested this on Wyverns in Avlee. I gave the same 107 power Body Resistance potion to a different character every time and let the party get surrounded. Usually, the one who got the potion didn't get instakilled or got killed the last. It was especially apparent when one of my monks with ~900 HP got instakilled immediately, but the other one who got the potion withstood around 100 hits, and would probably hold on if I didn't run out of Divine Cure potions.

But sometimes, it was almost like they did no difference. One time, I think the one who got the potion actually died the first… I still wonder if I got mistaken though. Funny how every time the last man standing still got diseased—this depends on EnduranceEffect, not on BodyResistance.

So, where am I going with this, you might ask?… Someone mentioned that Titans cast Sparks, and every spark has a chance to kill instantly. Too bad I've killed them all already, I'd like to test if Body resistance potion would do any difference at all.

Of course you can (and should) add Day of Protection to this. But how much will it add? At 30 points of skill, it will add 150 points of resistance. That's pretty good, but still not full protection. Even at 1000 Body resistance, you will still have 3% chance of getting instakilled. And that's just sad.

>tfw could dust the desert dragons for days but never made it past the big room at the beginning of that demon hive thing

>>3474957
>>3475070
Also, I checked MMVIII to see how Preservation worked in it, and from FAQs (surprisingly few out there actually, not even a full one on GameFAQs), it seems that it only delayed death when unconscious.

This is just bullshit. I get it: the strongest monsters in MMVII are already not so tough. But I hate instakill more than anything, it's ridiculously unfair bullshit, just like SP drain.

>>3474863
Did a no magic team in WoX (Barbarianx3,Knightx2,Ninja). Savescummed to get miscellaneous items of everything from light to day of protection and fireballs. Finding items of teleport were the worst. Also unlike MM3 you can't recharge items of recharging so I had to keep an eye out for anything that would let me recharge my beacons/DoP/DoS/teleport.

>>3475108
And items of jump which are required in damn near every dungeon. I never had enough charges for those damn things.

>>3475097
Try not charging in and pulling the whole damn room. If you have wizard eye cast, you can see when they agro because they show up as red dots. If they aren't on your wizard eye they probably don't see you yet.

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>>3475108
>>3475114

>>3475108
>>3475138
Crag Hack approved version

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>>3475169
That'd be Heroes of Offense and Offense™ III

A game of attack and… well, only attack

—Attack hordes of enemies
—Attack smaller stacks of enemies
—Attack medium stacks too
—Hundreds of different units to attack
—Attack

System requirements: should be able to handle so much attack

>>3475169
>No magic allowed
More like Yog version

Just realized "Bracada" is an anagram of "Cadabra". Are there any other obvious anagrams/name origins in M&M7? What about Deyja/Tularean Forest?

>>3475310
Dragonsand = sandy place full of dragons

>>3475314
Umm yeah I meant slightly less obvious

So far I can't figure any of them. "Avlee" is an anagram of "leave". Not very nice

>>3475317
Well you know elves, they hate when humans, orcs, goblins or ogres come to their forests to rape their womenfolk.

>>3475324
"Tularean" is an anagram of "true anal". Hmm

>>3475324
>>3475350
Actually, I think it sounds close to "nature/natural", and "Avlee" resembles "elves" a little.

Now to think what Nighon/Eofol mean

>>3475310
kriegspire = war spire and is full of devils
really makes you think

>>3475376
>>3475356
>>3475350
>>3475324
>>3475317
>>3475314
>>3475310

D E E P E S T L O R E
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>>3475376
so the devils are germans?

>>3475380
Goblins look like mexicans and blacks.
What did JVC mean by this?

>>3475384
in bootleg bay there are camps of black cannibals and dead white women impaled on spikes, really makes you think

Can anyone recommend me a good map pack for HoMM 3? I have around 2000+ maps but only a few of them are well made. Most are very very sloppy

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How is this as a starting army for the last mission of the evil campaign?

>>3475939
Go to maps4heroes and acquaint yourself with any of these:
Sander's Folly
Unleashing the Bloodthirsty
Lord of War
The Empire of the World (2 is a good starter, but any from the 1-4 are good, some of them might require a light WOG installation or ERA though, for bonus assets; TEW2 should work straight from the box though]
2 Friends (for co-op play)
Eternal Love campaign
A Wizard's Tale
Vengeance is Mine
To Kill for Power
The Lone Knight
Fall and Rise of the Sharai [great for Fortress fans]

I'm not listing any maps that require near-autistic micromanagement (like Wayfarer). Most of the above are narrative/RPG maps where you have a single hero and focus on his development and story, but they definitely encourage developing some other heroes (Intelligence or Logistics hero will be very welcome) if you can handle that.

And also, the maps in-built with HoMM3, if you haven't played them yet, can be pretty good. Definitely try A Viking Shall We Go and Myth and Legend.

>>3474863
Solo sorcerer in M&M6.
And yes.

What do you guys think of Warriors of Might and Magic and Crusaders of Might and Magic?

>>3475356
>Nighon
Because it's near. Nigh.
>Eofol
Evil.

>>3476229

Eofol kinda sounds like Awful

Nighon sound like Night On

>>3475960
That's right about what you should have. Archibald's last scenario is harder than Roland's and that army size is exactly why you should always do the army instead of the artifact.

>>3475960
>Archibald the Warlock
I thought he was a necro? Also, its a shame he never showed up in HoMM3, I never played HoMM2, but seen him a lot in MM6&7

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>>3475960
>Choosing the tax lien

>>3476229
> Because it's near. Nigh.
Well it's not very "nigh" really. Especially considered you can only get there through a tunnel

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>>3475218
>this post
I'm so proud

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>>3476478
OC WIP donutsteal

I need your suggestions how can I replace Geroge's arms

>>3475218
>>3476478
>>3476539
is crag hack supposed to be a parody of randy savage or something?

>>3476421
Warlocks can learn necromancy. Sandro also started off as a Warlock in HoMM1 (though it's not a stretch to assume that his new role from HoMM2 onwards is a small retcon).

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>>3476539
First thought that comes to mind is replacing his arms with Ahnie's.
Pick related isn't too bad.

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>>3475218
I love Crag Hack.

>>3476705

>expert offence instead of a spell book

Now we're getting creative

I have two questions:

Whats a good HoMM game for a total noob to get into?

Where do you guys get these games from?

>>3476831
HoMM3
read the pastebin for links

>>3476831
>>3476836
and someone else less lazier than me has posts saved about how to start out with HoMM3, like tactics and how you should build your towns and manage heroes

>>3476705
Couldn't he just have 2 swords instead of a shield?

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>>3476847
General advice:
—Always get several heroes for scouting to grab resources, mark mines and explore. Give them fast units.

—Don't sit at your castle while you wait lvl 7s. Every faction has good units for early expansion:
* Castle—Marksmen
* Rampart—Grand Elves
* Tower—Master Gremlins
* Necropolis—Vampire Lords
Google the rest if you're interested.

—Use 1 or more as your main and bring him all the experience. Pick the one with the best specialty.

—Plan your build-up. Mark sawmills and ore mines ASAP (and I mean it). Build as many dwellings as you can afford on week 1 and preferably end it with building Castle to maximize your number of units.

—Forget about war machines, for beginner and intermediate players they're not worth it.

—Try to get lvl 6 and 7s units ASAP for most factions. Grab all of them and go fighting.

—Level up your main hero whenever you can and always grab better artifacts to maximize damage. See picrelated on quick cheat sheet for best skills.

—Damage spells are ok in the beginning, late in the game they are usually not worth it (except for Armageddon and less so Implosion).

—Get yourself some Earth/Air magic skill for speed spells (Slow/Haste). They are some of the most important spells in the game on mass level

—For best results, always try and get the following spells:
Lvl 2: Blind
Lvl 3: Teleport
Lvl 4: Resurrection, Town Portal (they need Advanced Earth skill to be most useful), Armageddon, Clone, Berserk
Lvl 5: Implosion, Fly, Dimension Door.

>>3477213
Pathfinding should move up to great, but more specific. If you have any swamp or snow anywhere on the entire map, the skill is worth it.

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>>3477274
I have discussed this in some previous thread, but I'll state my points again anyway.

The first major problem with Pathfinding is that it does absolutely nothing on normal terrain. It only does ANYTHING at all for rough (native Stronghold type of terrain), snow (Tower), sand (neutral, penalty can be avoided with Nomads in your army) and swamp (Fortress). For rough, the penalty is 25%, which isn't really such a big deal.

The second problem is, you can't plan ahead unless you know the map. Few scenarios really pressure you to traverse swamp/deserts/snow with a lot with non-native units. If they do, of course getting Pathfinding might be very desirable.

Otherwise, you might wind up with a skill that's as useful as Navigation in a desert.

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>>3476607
>>3476539
Version 2

>>3477493
Against players I would tend to agree. Against AI I strongly disagree. They will come at you from every angle. Unless you can hunt down the weaker heroes you will lose city after city to weaker heroes on anything other than small maps. There will virtually always be a fortress or tower city.

>>3477493
Lava and Subterranean is the same as dirt and grass? Always thought there was a penalty associated with them.

>>3477497
Just needs some cleaning up and you have a fine image.

>>3477517
Do as you wish. If it works for you then fine.

I try to avoid getting surrounded "from all sides", see >>3462931 . Personally, I feel I have much better things to fill a skill slot. Especially since I like playing Tower and Fortress sometimes.

>>3477526
Yep. I was also surprised there was no penalty associated with them. But then again, most scenarios have underground, so if it had a penalty, that'd be quite bothersome.

Snow and swamp are harder to traverse in real life. Underground is basically paved tunnels.

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>>3477529
Is this enough? It's kinda hard to clean the image

All I have is the original SoD Crag Hack background in small res

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Speaking of which: I never really understood where Crag Hack's mouth is in his Heroes 3 picture

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Trying to make a definitive Crag Hack party

>>3477924
>Crack Hag
rip sides

>>3477924
Should probably have more accuracy and speed.

>Crack Hag

>>3477924
Doesn't Crag Hack himself show up in MM7?

>Found a very detailed map.
>It also has good story and progression
>The placements of objects and quests make you feel like you are in a real RPG game
>It's riddled with OP enemies that are free to move around in an attempt to simulate end game boss!
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>3477835
I always think he is looking up in that portrait so his eyes are covered by the shade of the helmet and his mouth is in the center of the pic covered by his beard

>>3478086
He does, as he's part of the default MM3 party, which shows up for MM7

>>3478353
There are too many Crag Hacks. There's one in MM1, but then there's one in MM3, where he would not have a chance of appearing, and then how do you explain his appearance in HoMM1 and 2? Did he crash, go to Enroth (with Kastore, I assume, to fight along Archibald) then return to Erathia for MM7?

I mean, its kinda autistic to be looking for those things, seeing as how HoMM character rosters seem like a Smash Bros kinda deal of MM characters, but still.

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>>3478591
The simple explanation is that he was JVC's favorite character in D&D.

> "Crag Hack" was one of my most played paper AD&D characters. He was a LVL 16 Human Neutral Fighter, 18/00 strength, used 2 one handed swords, acquired Psionics and among other things one of his hands was replaced with the "Hand of Vecna"... it’s a long story. : )

So I guess that's why he put Crag Hack everywhere, without much concern for the plot. AFAIK, you're correct: there was no real justification of him being in MM3 or Heroes I–II (at least). Unless there's another NWC explanation for it, like "something something robots, ancients, nacelles and stuff".

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>>3478190
In early Heroes 3 artwork Crag Hack looks kinda weird. He has no beard too.

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Creature Quest marketing team knows no better ways to promote a game than post cringeworthy puns on social media.

It's actually sad. You know, on the surface the game has too much trend wagon-hopping bullshit, like round-eyed kittens, pugs (god, kill all pugs please), and overall looks like Chinese IAP-driven puzzle game clone. But stronger later creatures look actually interesting and really evoke that authentic M&M feel, with its blend of art direction, lore and atmosphere.

I haven't played it yet, but if it comes out on Android, I'd give it a go. JVC sounded serious about the game's mechanics

>>3474424
Just found out that there's some sci-fi shit going on in M&M6 and 7

Reactor cores, lasers, spaceships, space stations, literally what da fuq

>>3477825
Pure art

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>>3478726
Welcome to Might and Magic friend

Playing World of Xeen, but can't figure out where to buy the light spell? The hex shop in the first town doesn't have it for either my sorcerer or cleric.

Is there another way to light dungeons?

>>3478591
He's in M&MX (the new one) as well, and that takes place who knows the fuck where.

>>3478862
It should be in the first town. Try going through the portal to the dark side and check the town there?

>>3478871
Nope, they don't have it either. Even signed my paladin up for the guild as well and neither magic shop has it for sorcerer, cleric or paladin

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>>3478881
Am i boned?

>>3478905
Check the shops for a light gem

>>3478909
No such luck, but one of my characters has a Jewel of light and a Whistle of light. Not sure where I found those, but I'll take it.

>>3478946
Close enough

>>3478685
When i looked at that goblin's nose, by dick involuntary twitched.
Oh god, what have I become...

Why Might and Magic 4 and 5 are the same game?

>>3479280
Because it's the CD version that combines the two games into one.

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Ho, I got it.
It's the Serious Sam of RPG.

>>3479401
>M&M 2016: Euro Simulator

>>3479401
Fireballs nigga.

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>>3479401
fire magic has some pretty good AoE spells

I LOVE YOU ALEX

>>3479629
god fucking dammit
/tv/ is the worst board

god I hate /tv/ so much

she won't respond you dumb fucks

>>3479635
>>3479632
>>3479629
give context

>>3478862
Your casters already know it. It's a default spell for all casters.

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>>3478726
People like you are the reason we don't have a Forge faction.

>>3479753
No need to get butthurt at his post anon. It's supposed to be a twist in most MM games anyways.

>>3479753
The autism is strong with this faggot.

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>mfw the comfy seasons are coming
Lower temperatures increase the enjoyment of HoMM

>>3479280
They were released and sold separately. It was a huge deal combining two full games and even having content that requires both games to complete (if you play only Darkside you start at level 5).

Later on they just started releasing them as one item called World of Xeen on CD and later created a package deal called Trilogy of Xeen (included MM3/Swords of Xeen).

You know, the whole story with the Forge is a bit weird: it was the BAD ending of MM7 that brought the creation of Heavenly Forge. And AFAIK, the good and bad endings were mutually exclusive.

Aren't good endings usually supposed to be canonical?

>>3479920
Well I think it's more, what do you do now that the ancients have been contacted? As it is they basically scrapped the contact with the other Corak and it only applies to the characters in the game rather than "bringing the fruits of the ancients" back to Enroth and Antagarich.

>>3479932
But wait—in the ending, there's a dialog between the party and Corak:

—Which one of them (gates) leads to the Ancients?
—None of them, I'm afraid. When the Kreegan infiltrated the Gate Web 900 years ago, the entire Spinward Rim was cut off from the rest of the system.
(…)
—The gates connect to other worlds seeded by the Ancients long ago. They all fell into barbarism during the war.

So, they couldn't contact the Ancients anyway. It didn't put an end to the plot at all. They basically got access to other similar nacelles. Maybe they could go back to Xeen through it or wherever else, but certainly not to the Ancients.

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>>3479964
Yes, that's right. I was remembering the win screen/certificate. They could have eventually found something, but the world blew up before then.

Is there actual magic at play or is it all alien technology?

>>3480021
There's something resembling magic in the elemental planes themselves, but outside of them it's all technology created to suppress the elementals. The MM2 manual goes over this if I remember correctly.

>>3480028
I see, 6 is the only I had and I never finished it, so thanks for clearing it up for me man.

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>>3480003
Even the trees in Tularean forest spread this rumor. But Corak himself stated otherwise. Anyway, it's only implied that it MIGHT be possible to find Ancients, sometime in the future, maybe.

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Finding hirelings/teachers in M&M in a nutshell

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>>3479784
>mfw moved from Moscow to Texas

>>3480162
Winter rain is better than snow anyways
t. Utahn who moved to Washington

>>3480162
Oh anon, aren't you going to miss Russian winter? Cleaning the car from several inches of snow every day? Getting it to start? Having ice rinks for pavement? Icicles hanging from roofs, ready to fall on parked cars and pedestrians underneath?

Nothing is going to bring it back, anon. Let it sink in for a minute. Isn't it time for you to go home? With love, your KGB.

>>3480226
Stop it, you are breaking my heart.

>>3480120
When I learned that reloading the game/leaving the area changes hirelings that made my life so much easier.

Aw yiss, a thread for my favorite TBS game.


Anyone ever seen 'economic' maps for HoMM3?
Anyone here would even like to play one?

>>3481165
I would. Comfy base building is a thing I really like,

>>3481268
Well, my idea for map i am trying to create now is that you need to 'build' (quest guards n' shit) various structures on map to get access to them.
Like, initially you don't even have way to your initial town, but after paying (((moderate))) sums you can flag castle, lumber mills, ore pits, or more lavish structures as university ,Colosseum or crystal warehouses.

>>3480991
I think more hirelings get added to the random pool as you explore places.

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TFW you have a weak garrison hero at a town and you pray for the buff enemy hero to not attack you

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>>3482102
tfw you play necro town on map full to the brim with legions of elementas and you pray not to accidentally move the 34k stack of skeltals

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Hardest quest

>>3482159
Joke of a promotion quest for a joke of a class.

>>3482159
Rangers are awful though. At least you get the fairy ring for doing that quest.

>Those damn pipes
MUH FOOD

>>3482162
Rangers may sound like shit, but in reality they're alright. The promotions are easy, they get GM axe and master bow, most importantly.

>>3482184
Did you know GM axe is bugged?

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>>3482124
TFW you're lvl 30 Tazar protecting from siege in a fully built Fortress town

>>3482185
No, please do elaborate

>>3482192
The armor class effect just doesn't work, similar to how haste doesn't actually work. Master bow and some crappy healing is all they really bring.

>>3482201
Does the Grayface patch not fix this? I know it fixed the Haste bug.

I'm trying to savescum for a Gate Master hireling in MM7, am I just exceptionally unlucky or do you need to progress in the story or have a certain level before you can start finding them? I hope I'm not wasting my time.

>>3482213
I'm doing exactly that right now.

In this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxPKyf3cCi8 at 3:42 mark, the player manages to grab Wind Master 3 minutes into the game. Don't know about Gate Master though.

So far my luck hasn't been better than yours… Several saves/loads, and I mostly got only Fools/Herbalists/Chimney Sweeps.

>>3482235
Hah, that's the exact video I watched to get the idea, I had no idea you could abuse shops and hirelings prior to this video. I wonder if it could also be related to towns, maybe searching for Gate Masters in Harmondale just isn't possible.

>>3482243
> I wonder if it could also be related to towns, maybe searching for Gate Masters in Harmondale just isn't possible.
If you have time you could try in Tularean forest. I'd like to maybe get these hirelings, but Celestial Heavens forum loads too slowly for me.

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>>3482202
Looked through the list of changes, and from what I see he didn't. In the patch topic on Celestial Heavens, he was asked to do this though. 2 years ago.

>>3482201
Oh well… So much for behemoth-style AC reduction.

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>>3482213
Got him! Just saved/loaded in Tularean Forest.

>>3478905
try a Druid/Ranger... this may be a nature spell actually.

>>3482278
In MM7 there are two levels of hirelings (presumably so you can't get something like a Fallen Wizard on Emerald Isle). The basic ones are in Erathia and Harmondale. The full set are just about everywhere else with Tularean being the easiest to get to.

Tried the pastebin link for MM8 and there is no music. All the mp3s are already in the Music folder, but I'm not getting anything.

>>3482352
With the grayface patch?

>>3482338
Ah, that explains it.

How I wish I had the cluebook…

>>3482359
Yes, Greyface is already applied.

>>3482338
What the hell is a fallen wizard?

>>3482370
Temporary Hour of Power cast every day. I think it's 2 hours. Expensive as fuck, but can be useful if you need a boost.

>>3482370
>>3482374
It's worth noting this hireling does not exist in MM6.

>>3482352
check the mm8.ini file and see if there's PlayMP3=1 under the [Settings]

>>3482525
That seems to have fixed it.

I get a couple "There is no disk in the drive" error popups any time I try to launch the game, but now the music is playing correctly.

Tfw obsidian great axe in mm5

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M&M7: what do you suggest for Archers: Chain or Leather? Looks almost the same to me, aside for GM Chain ability (I hope it's not bugged like GM Axe).

With Leather, recovery is eliminated at Expert. With Chain, it's there until Master. Of course chainmail usually gives a bit more protection than leather… But isn't it basically the same with double AC bonus of Leather skill?

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>>3483235
I'd say go for chain, since archer's can GM it

So far, my M&MVII RAAC run has been going pretty smoothly (thanks to abusing the dragon on the Emerald Isle… a little bit), but not that much different from my previous runs. Except I have to re-cast Wizard Eye and Torchlight every 5 minutes.

Perception is really nifty though, at least in the Dwarven Barrows. Also, getting Disarm Trap to expert ASAP was a good decision, again both skills cut the time needed for Barrows in half if not more.

Right now I've completed around 7 quests or so. I'm getting few levels to get my 3 shooters Master Bow. So I plan to go to Nighon pretty soon.

>>3483257
Is 2/3 physical damage worth it though? Is it melee only of both missile/melee attacks?

I remember that in the end game, a lot of attacks are not physical. Of course there are pure might creatures like behemoths/minotaurs, but otherwise, there will be tons of elemental/dark damage from titans, dragons, hydras, necros and the like.

Still I guess it's better in the long run, just a bit annoyed I'd have to dump all my skill points into chain master right now to avoid penalty

M&M7 Stone to Flesh potions are just weird: why they're black potions is beyond me. I think in my 3 runs, I've been stoned 3 times at most through the whole game.

Stone to Flesh is expert earth spell ffs. I see no reason why they shouldn't be layered or at least white potions.

>>3483482
Probably a justification to take Druid in case you drop Cleric or Sorcerer, but god knows why you would do that, or use the Druid class in the first place.

>>3483505
But Druid has expert earth magic already…

That's one of my biggest gripes with M&M7. I thought that alchemy came separately from magic. So that, you know, if you didn't have a sorcerer/cleric, you could make up for it with alchemy. But actually, it's only magic classes who can really do anything with it. Sorcerers and Druids are the only 2 classes who can get it to master level.

Thief and Cleric can learn it on expert. But for Clerics, half of the potions already double their spirit/mind/body spells. If you choose light path, the only potions with actual uses will be Harden Item, Recharge Item, and Water Breathing. The rest will basically double your existing abilities.

So in the end, you still need magic classes. You can't just get yourself tons of potions from shops/alchemy with KKKK party and heal most ailments, and that is kinda sad.

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>>3479714

Z-list Actress Alex Daddario plays HoMM3 and lurks these threads.

/tv/ found this out (read: someone was dumb enough to tell /tv/) and autism ensued.

>>3483663
Sounds like headcanon to me.

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>>3477924
>Crack Hag

Unexpected kek.

How can I get the Bow Skill in MM6 after the beginning?

>>3483697
Have you tried weapon shops? Many of them have the skill for sale

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I was quite spooked when a healer "revived" my dead cleric. Warlocks are a bunch of morons, no wonder they lost the war

>>3483721
My favorite ailment is "drunk" though. There are no obvious cures against it. The character appears to be feeling quite positive about it. When you heal him, he becomes grim as usual, making you wonder if you really did the right thing

>>3483697
Castle Ironfist, the big square red house next to the stables.

>>3483743
thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOoeuFDEyTA

Welp.

>>3483721
>quite spooked
If it weren't for the occasionally spooky status faces and monsters these games would be the comfiest RPGs on the planet.

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>>3483808

>>3483808
Because Heroes has always been a cartoon. Yep, sounds about right. Ubi gives the licenses to chinks make mobile shovelware now. No dignity

>>3483808
Wait, I don't get it. What IS this shit?

>>3483808
It looks like one of those browser MMO games you see in ad banners.

>CLICK HERE to join the fight against evil in the magic land of Enroth FOR FREE!
>Over one million players!

>>3483840
That is Queen Catherine holding the Sword of Judgment for a few seconds, then it becomes one of those cheap Blizzard faux-comic video snippets.

>>3483843
Yeah, I understood that, but what is the purpose? It's a trailer, but for what?

>>3483841
>>3483851
> coming soon to MOBILE
Hot 2016 mobile quad core game free
Ho Lee Fuk Games with the assistance of Divine Swan Publishing

>>3483851
>>3483853
So in other words, it's a trailer for a Chinese mobile game.

China seems to be buying rights to different old series in heaps. First SNK, now Heroes. Even JVC is funded by gooks

>>3483859
Stupid chinks taking celebrated old IPs and raping them for their own gain. Can't wait until China crashes economically, just a matter of time.

>>3483851
gook mobile shit

>>3483868
I see the situation like this.

Many IPs which would eventually get big, like M&M, appeared when games were still made by teams under 50 people, or even less. They were made on cheap and with small companies.

Eventually, the companies that made them went belly up / were bought out. For example, Technos, SNK, and many others.

The talented staff they had went elsewhere. But they weren't exactly welcomed warmly to other places. Because in business, people think creators mean shit. They hate it when a creator wants to make things according to his vision, starts demanding things. They say, word for word, that they need IPs which they can make money from, made by the cheapest, most convenient workforce possible in shortest time. They complain YouTube channels "are too dependent on the host, and when they change the people, the audience goes away for some reason". That's how some of them actually think.

So, now we have a cohort of award-winning devs which are basically hobos in the industry. JVC, Iga, those guys from Rare making Yooka-Laylee, and now Kojima joins the club. Speaking of Kojima, every MGS he has been saying that he was sick of MGS and wanted to move on, but was basically in it for the money.

On the other side of the industry, we have workhorse devs working 25 hours a day, huge teams supervised by producers who believe in focus group testing makes good games, and 100$ million budgets on marketing alone, making the "triple A" games with $60 price tags and $150 worth of DLC for each.

No wonder Ubi couldn't make good Heroes game without JVC. So I assume, suddenly it became apparent to them that they couldn't turn HoMM into AAA PC strategy, and they were left with some BBB or even CCC franchise on their hands, which they promptly decided to at least sell to gooks for a handful of yuan shekels.

>>3483943
At least it can rot in China or wherever instead of jewbisoft muddying up the IP with shit attempts at a new game.

>>3483954
SNK just made KoFXIV. But they also sold the rights to chinks for mobile games. They've already made their King of Fighters/Metal Slug shit-offs. Moreover: they're supposedly making TV series and a movie for Chinese TV.

So one doesn't hurt the other for jewbisoft I guess

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>>3483954
>>3483970
Also, I guess it's only a license. The rights to the franchise still belong to a group of jews in France. They're still milking Heroes VII, look at this dwarf with a trendy undercut. Making expansions while there are still bugs not fixed in the original game and the multiplayer finally started working barely few months ago

>>3482732
NO BRAKES

>>3483257
>>3483283
Definitely chain unless you get a really nice set of leather like the thief artifact.

>>3483721
Any "dark" aligned temple will do the same thing. If the city has night hours instead of day hours they zombify you. Presumably they are casting Reanimate on you instead of Divine Intervention.

>>3483629
>So in the end, you still need magic classes. You can't just get yourself tons of potions from shops/alchemy with KKKK party and heal most ailments, and that is kinda sad.
Expert Healer hirelings if it really bothers you.

Honestly you can avoid most of the really nasty conditions with items "of the medusa" and "of freedom". You don't even need to find a full set because the plate artifact will cover both and the Temple of Baa cloak will cover both. Stupid crap like Insanity, Poison, and Disease can largely be ignored. You can still create potions of cure weakness even without any alchemy skill.

You still don't have any protection from Eradication and Instadeath but if you get in big trouble just Gate Master out and come back. That's the advantage of not having respawns.

>>3483808
heh, someone made a thread about this on /v/

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>>3484051
The exception to this is the Blaster Guy, but there is a chest upstairs that have some scrolls specifically designed to help in this situation.

>>3484051
>Expert Healer hirelings if it really bothers you.
Hm, I haven't thought about that. But he does that only once per day, and with only 2 slots for hirelings you won't have other useful ones.

> You still don't have any protection from Eradication and Instadeath but if you get in big trouble just Gate Master out and come back. That's the advantage of not having respawns.
Explain please, how does one really go through the Maze with KKKK? I realize that with 4 x knights one probably will cut through most things like butter; but getting instadeath every 5 minutes is what bothers me. Knights don't exactly shine with bows to keep red minotaurs away. Probably could be done with wands but still pretty hard.

You canof course warp out of it if , thankfully Nighon is close. But then you have to return back to where you left off. Since it's a literal labyrinth, this can get pretty tedious.

You can up your body resistance with potions. But you'd have to get four of them from shops for all party members. I guess with a lucky savescumming you could get that, but still this sounds pretty tedious.

Then again, if you warp, you will probably use gate master. Meaning, that's no more warping for the day. You can of course wait another day. But then your body resistance wears off.

>>3480226
>Icicles hanging from roofs, ready to fall on parked cars and pedestrians underneath?
Piter dwelling pleb detected

>>3484171
Because of the danger of instadeath, I went to Eeofol before I did The Maze and pick up Armsmaster GM when I ran KKKK. KKKK is an offensive team, so stack your offense. Your optimal option is of course Blasters, but 4x GM armsmaster will destroy anything.

Kite them against walls and try to isolate them. The other part of having 4 knights is you probably kill a minotaur lord in 2 rounds.

While it is a labyrinth, there are only a couple optional places that you run into Minotaurs (the hallway with the Minotaur Axe, and the big dead end room). All the other paths lead to hydra and warlocks which aren't going to be a problem.

Rest and heal as needed. Be careful of zombification if you use the temple in Nighon, although it isn't a real issue for Knights because you won't be resting inside. If you need to take a few days and portal to a different temple and back. Speed isn't the important thing when you aren't running a conventional comp.

>Body resistance
It really doesn't do enough to justify the effort. Pick up day of protection scrolls if it bothers you.

I'm about to start playing MM6 since I played it as a kid and had no idea what I was doing back then. Are there any tips for my starting party, like what each skill does and whether they're ever important?

>>3484209
I tried to remember why I found KKKK so easy, then I remembered:
WANDS
OF
PARALYZE

>>3484220
PACS (default) and PCSS (heavy caster) are good starter parties.
Paladins get every skill Knights do plus healing magic.

Clerics and Sorcerers cast Light/Dark magic which is the best in the game but very expensive.

As a rule the first thing you do is turn the letter into the tavern, take the stables to Castle Ironfist, turn the letter into Wilbur Humphrey (in the Castle), learn bow skill, buy bows, take the stables back to New Sorpigal, and begin from there.

>>3484173
You guessed wrong bud, I live in the real capital

>>3484220
For melee skills, you want to try to get sword first master so you can dual wield. Spear and Axe are nice main hand weapons.

For caster classes:
Druid: Mace/Dagger
Cleric: Mace/Shield
Sorcerer: Dagger/Dagger


For magic skills the important ones are:
Water (Portals and Enchantments) When you get master water the game becomes much easier. Get it as early as possible.
Air (Minimap Details, Flight, and huge Outdoor AoE)
Body (Healing and cure poison/disease)
Light (Buffing/Destroy Undead)
Dark (Raises Resistances/Offensive Burst)

Other Magic Schools:
Fire is ok for light, but in terms of damage output, water and air are much better. Expert is worth it for Torch Light alone, but it isn't your main focus.

Spirit has some nice melee buffing spells (Bless/Heroism) but later on these become irrlevant. Get expert at some point for Remove Curse. Has some major recovery spells, but if you die, just go to the temple.

Mind has some situational spells, but really isn't worth it. Get level 1 in it and then ignore it.

Earth is mostly trash aside from Stone to Flesh. Get level 1 in it and then ignore it.
Armor:
Just get the highest your class can use. Don't level these skills until you have learned master in your spell schools and weapons.

Knight/Paladin: Plate
Cleric/Archer: Chain
Druid/Sorcerer: Leather
Important Miscellaneous (You don't need more than 1 person to go up in any of these):
Merchant (better vendor prices)
Disarm Trap
Identify Item
Repair Item
Perception (this is a stupid skill but mid game one dungeon requires you to get expert to open its doors). Get it to expert when you have spare points, but ignore it after that.

Optional Miscellaneous (Everyone that wants these can go up in them):
Body Building (more hp)
Meditation (more sp)
Learning (more experience from kills). Learn basic as soon as possible (there is a bonus 10% for simply knowing the skill), but don't raise the skill unless you have spare points.

>>3484307
>>3484236
So, I messed around with character creation, and ended up back at the default party setup after mulling it over, PACS. I don't actually know what to put my attribute points into, but I think I got the spell/skill set nice. Learning isn't on the character creation menu as far as I see except on the druid, and I don't see merchant on any of them, do I get them later on?

>>3484325
You will learn all the skills in the first 3 cities other than light/dark.

>>3484326
And Diplomacy, but fuck Diplomacy. It's useless.

>>3484325
Learning specifically is taught at the following spell guilds:
Fire
Air
Water
Earth

You will get it in Mist, but it isn't worth going out of your way to get. Just when you finish up New Sorpigal, take the boat to Mist and learn some nice spells and the learning skill.

>>3484326
>>3484330
Alright, I think I only need to set attributes now. I can go into the red with some stats, is there a reason a knight would need int or personality? Is there some spread that will make me regret having ever spent points?

>>3484338
Skills scale poorly after 21. You can also safely lower luck. There is a fountain in the first city with 8 charges that gives +2 luck permanently up to 15 and recharges every week or so.

No they don't, just like an Archer doesn't need Personality. I tend to get Endurance and relevant Int/Per to 21. Get might to 15 for someone so you can pick up the sword in the stone in the first city. Other than that just dump what's left in Accuracy.

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>>3484346
>>3484338
I went ahead and created a party and this is what I normally use if I were running PACS. As long as your characters have enough hp and sp it really isn't all that important.

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Alright, it's been like what 19 years since I played as a kid I think? Let's hope pray for me anons, the heavens mandate it.

>>3484356
>Knight
For what purpose?

>>3484361
Oh, well, I thought since I had a sorcerer and cleric, and archers have some magic, I wouldn't need a paladin. Is knight a bad option?

>>3484363
You can certainly do it, but everything a Paladin gets literally every skill a Knight does and gets healing magic on top of it. All you sacrifice are some extra hit points.

Having a backup healer is quite useful, although not mandatory. If you really want a knight go for it.

>>3484370
That's backwards. I meant to say everything a Knight gets a Paladin also gets.

>>3484370
Hmm, well, alright, and this shall be the last change I make before starting I think. Thanks for the help.
...how would a 4 knight group fare? Or 4 cleric? Just out of curiosity.

>>3484373
KKKK is horrible. You lose out on healing/curing/portaling/enchantments/Flight/minimap details/light and your damage doesn't even scale. I've beaten with that comp once, and I have no desire to do it again.

CCCC would be annoying early game, but not really hard, and super easy once you got Dark Magic rolling. Just pick up hirelings for Fly and Town Portal.

>>3484381
Ah, one last thing, I started with a crossbow but I don't see any arrows. Do I have an unlimited amount or am I gonna have to perform some arrow management?

>>3484393
There is no arrow/quiver management in M&M games.

>>3484393
Unlimited. Crossbows and Longbows both count toward bow skill.

Alright, so I just went to the southwest part of town to some apple trees and suddenly a dozen or more goblins come out of nowhere. Everyone died. I think this is how things went down when I was a kid too.

>>3484457
You agroed them. Cast Wizard Eye (it's Air Magic) and watch for the red blips. This is why I said to get bows as the first thing you do >>3484236. You can shoot them from a sage distance.

>>3484464
>sage
safe

>>3484464
Another group attacked me after reloading but I entered a turn based battle so things went better. I'll cast the eye from now on. Why can goblins just enter town?

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>>3484474
The humans are pathetic in MM6 and were even run out of their own keep by the goblins.

Guards were implemented in MM7. A better lore answer is that all the guards got shipped off to fight the war and most of them died when Roland got captured.

>>3484356
Why did you make Edwin a knight?

>>3484474
Stay in turn based for most combat. Unless you need to move (for positioning/changing targets) there really isn't a reason to fight in real time.

Is there a set of maps that looks "full" for Heroes 3? At least to the level of the original maps. All the custom ones I found looks empty and building are really far from each other.

>>3484516

>>3476173 had a decent list

Alright, it was suggested I teach everyone bows, but where do I do that?

>>3484534
Castle ironfist has a bow trainer I think. There's a starting guide in the manual. Half the fun of MM is exploring and finding shit yourself.

>>3483629
>I thought that alchemy came separately from magic
This is even worse in MM8, in that only the Necromancer can get GM Alchemy, GM Elemental, and Dark at all.

Come to think of it, I think there's a mod for MM7 that changes a lot of the classes' skills that I've been meaning to try but never had the chance to. Let's see if I can find it again.

>>3484534
Castle Ironfist. Right by the stables in a row are 3 buildings: Berzerker's fury membership, Berzerker's fury (which teaches the skill along with others like repair, chain, and plate), and a bow shop.

>>3484539
found it
http://www.jeffludwig.com/mm7/

Anyone ever tried this mod?

>>3484547
No, but I've played his WoX and IoT mods. He generally knows what he is doing.

>>3484550
What do his MM3-5 mods add?

>>3484552
They increase monster spawns and respawns. Some of the class names are changed along with the types/names of weapons usable. "Boss" monsters were given huge buffs (Darzog is something like 140 hp in the main game and has 1500 in the mod).

>>3484547
Wow, he's got a mod with fixes for Wizards and Warriors, I always wanted to try that game again but it was always a bitch to get working on modern computers.

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>>3484552
>>3484556
>>3484556
I loaded up my last completed game, walked outside Vertigo and sure enough there are respawns. You can also see how much more hp a Breeder Slime has in the mod.

>>3484547
I know this is extremely wishful thinking but does this change the fact that some stats will always be useless?

Also I LOVE YOU ALEX

>>3476421
>I thought he was a necro?
Proper term is person of color

I just wanted to mention for the person who claimed you couldn't toggle run in MM6 that grayface lets you set Capslocktogglerun=1 in the MM6.ini

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>tfw haven't played HoMM3 in years
>Come back to it
>am shit at it
Fucks sake lads

>>3484849
So hungarians can get representation in the game.

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Why is the HoMM3 community bursting at the seams with fucking slavs?
I come from a slav country and literally everyone who played games back in the day knew, played and discussed HoMM3 quite frequently. CS1.6 and Dota 1 were the most popular games in computer clubs but everyone knew HoMM3 regardless.

It's baffling how well entrenched this game is in slavic gaming culture.

>>3485102
Not a slav but from what the slavs I asked this question told me its because homm3 was one of the first big PC games ever localized for them and it was dirt cheap or easy to pirate.

>>3485107
That's true for Russia, but it was (is) fairly popular in ex-Yugoslavia as well, for example.

>>3485102
I wrote about it before so I'll give a recap.

To begin with, Heroes III was one of the first really big PC games which got officially translated and published in Russia. To you, this will probably sound underwhelming, but trust me on this one: in a piracy-riddled Russian software market of the early 2000s, where most games were localized using auto-translate, and the official publishers (who had official distribution in chain stores) mostly licensed cheap and shitty titles, it meant a heck of a lot. This is also the big reason for Russians' familiarity with Fallout 2, for example—I heard it actually got a great translation. From pirates.

The hype the game got from VG mags here was also insane. 10/10 reviews, special issues covering the whole game (pretty much whole guidebooks), I think even before the localization (but I might be wrong here). Since PC has always been the biggest platform in Russia, with the only distant competition being the first Playstation, you can see it was a huge deal.

Then, due to the low system requirements, Heroes III turned into a staple game to play on less powerful PCs. It's become close to solitaire in its status of go-to pastime made for office/budget grade computers. For example, one of my friends once had to lay at a hospital for several days and all he had was a netbook. Guess what game he played. Heroes III had eventually become a meme of sorts. It was referenced occasionally on the Russian version of bash.org, back when it was still a thing.

And now there's heroes.tv, a whole site with heroes matches streaming and Twitch-style donations, and plenty Russian online communities with tournaments, modding and game discussion. So I guess some people do it for the money.

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>>3484849

Speaking of sprites—does anyone know how to edit this kind of a sprite sheet? Master of the sword in MM7 that has 3 different colors (and you can see them to the left, given for reference). But the actual animations are all given in magenta color (to the right), to save space form duplicates.

How am I supposed to restore the real colors? I tried using "rotate color" in Gimp, it was more or less OK but made colors much brighter.

I'd make a ton of cool animations if it wasn't for that retarded magenta color.

>>3485193
I'm impressed the game has endured so long over there for almost 2 decades now, westerners excepting whoever regularly posts here have long since moved on from the Heroes games, doesn't help that Ubisoft more or less killed it as well.

>>3485203
Since PC is by far the biggest gaming platform here, it's not unexpected. Also, since Russians are budget-minded, the said PCs don't usually have the highest performance. The West has largely moved on to consoles for shooters and everything else. But Russians always stayed. In Russia, 99% of gamers don't even know what Halo is.

Look at other Russian meme games—they are alive too. Look at CS:GO, people abroad are surprised there are so many Russians in it, when "contra" was what every middle school kid played at computer clubs for years. It was perhaps the biggest game in Russia at the time, far bigger than Heroes, rivaled only by FIFA because football. Starcraft was huge too.

>>3485202
Change it to an indexed sprite and replace all the magenta shades with ones you want.

... Just like we already told you.

>>3484539
It makes sense lore-wise, since sorcerers/mages are usually the ones to fiddle with potions. But damn it's just annoying, especially since you need 4x potions to cover the whole party and the shops only have few items at random.

>>3484706
IMO it's for the better. I hate stat boosting in other RPGs. In M&M7 you can easily get them over certain level with altars/barrels, but it's not that important. It's more skill-centered and so you have greater and more precise control over your development, not just "level up might if you want more damage" type of shit.

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>>3485238
This is going to be incredibly tedious. This is my colormap now.

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>>3483808
Yes
Homm III in Blizzardesque shit
There is no sanctity in this world

Finally my life is completete

>>3485203

Later Homm games were practically pandering to the slav demographic. Homm7 has a shit ton of Russian names for main characters. Homm 3 has Catherin as a main protagonist which parallels Ekaterina the great of Russia.

>>3485650
why do slaves have to ruin everything

>>3485650
HoMM6 too.
Russians are probably the last group of people who actually bother with Ubisoft baloney.

To be honest, HoMM3 is just a helluva big package of replayability. And now since Ruskies love this game, they produce fanmade content. Fanmade content attracts more people, mainly from lands where game got status of timeless classic, and the circle rolls again.

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>>3485659

>>3485690
t. 1/4th cherokee 1/4th negro 1/4th beaner 1/4th british amerifat

>>3485650
>Homm 3 has Catherin as a main protagonist which parallels Ekaterina the great of Russia.
Sounds like bullshit.

>>3483808
>Shitty ubishaft designs
>Ubishaft music
>Ubishaft probably raping lore as well

The only good thing from this is that it will probably be china only

>>3485690
i think your auto-correct is cucking you. pay attention to that shit when using a mobile device.

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>>3485692
>>3485714

>>3485684
>>3485659
Slavs? Thank UbiShit for this. I doubt anyone in Russia even needed Russian names in the lore.

Moreover, I just don't know what UbiSoft expected with all that pandering. Russians are poor and buy games very hesitantly. Most games cost ~10$ here and are sold in jewel boxes. Moreover, we have one of the biggest torrent trackers on the web, Rutracker. A lawsuit against them only made them change their name. They seriously try to make profit here?

>>3485726
>They seriously try to make profit here?
It's Ubisoft.
They are retards trying to leech off any big name they bought from competent gamedevs

>>3485726
>Rutracker
Jesus I love that site

>>3485729
I really, really doubt their game producing practices. The market they're making it for is poor as fuck. PC is riddled with piracy even in the West—imagine how it is in Russia. And our Internet connection is cheap and fast (seriously, I pay ~8 bucks a month for 60mbps or so and could get even better, but I don't bother).

Moreover: Heroes 6 literally bankrupted a dev, who made it knowing they didn't even have enough money. And Ubisoft's answer? "You asked for it and you received it! The long awaited Heroes™ VII arrives!"

Seriously, I'm starting to wonder why they keep making them. It's like with the new Fantastic 4 and Spiderman movies where Sony made them just not to lose the license.

>>3485736
Brought to you by Russian copyright law.

It's ironic really. They used to be called torrents.ru. They got sued and """closed""". They only changed the domain name. The design etc. were left untouched.

Ffs, I don't know how UbiSoft manages to return investement, when we have free music streaming sites like Yandex, free movie streaming sites like Ivi. For fucks' sake: Vkontakte (Russian Facebook clone which most Russians use) has had free pirated music/movie streaming for eternity now.

To be fair M&MX was pretty good, if rather short.

>>3485767
All 3 people who played it liked it

>>3485770
I liked it and my brother liked it.
The last guy I dunno about.

>>3485772
The dev, obviously

>Youtuber ends the game under 4 months 1v7 at 200% difficulty
>I struggle to end at 5 months FFA at 80% difficulty
How to git gud?

>>3485887
See >>3477213

>>3485767
>Good
It was ok, and had some neat tile action, fights, and exploration.

The story was shit and the skills weren't balanced largely because the skill point system was awful.

>>3485767
>Arbitrary progression blocks preventing you from exploring
>A grand total of 4 towns, and one is blocked off for a large part of the game
>Game rains down relics on your party, most of which you'll never use
>No Town Portal
>"I'm sure the locals will have work for us. Really, it's like they've been waiting their whole life yada yada" every fucking time you enter a town
>No Fly
>Party members don't get experience if they end the fight with temporary conditions like stun or paralyze, even for quests
>Tanks get actual tank spells (first time ever in M&M?). 90% of everything are immune to said spells
>You cannot flee from battle, even while outdoors

It's fun, but it's got some serious issues.

>>3487304
There was a town portal. It took prismatic master.

>>3487337
There's a pseudo Lloyd's Beacon, but no TP.

>>3487405
Looks like a Roc

>>3487405
I swear to god if it's some custom WoG shit and not a Roc I'm gonna flip a baby

>>3487405
could be a bone dragon?

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I've just bought the whole Might & Magic series (except X ) from the ubisoft sales on GoG. I'm a huge fan of the HoMM series but actually never touched the RPGs. Which one should I start with?

>>3487624
>he bought IX
You'd better get a refund, and it depends, most people start with 6 if they want to play free roam or they start with 3 if they want to play grid based.

>>3487624
If you're an experienced dungeon crawler purist and like tactics: Start with 1-2, they have tactical combat that the latter games eschewed in favor of smooth exploration
If you like grid-based colourful cheesy fun: start with 3 or WoX
If you like free roam and flying around: 6-7-8
Ignore like a wildfire: 9, even the patches can't salvage this garbage

Swords of Xeen is also not worth playing

>>3487624
>I'm a huge fan of the HoMM series
To be quite honest, then, you should go with 6-7-8. MM3-4-5's biggest connection to HoMM is that all the important characters from MM (like default party and some NPCs) are turned into heroes from 1 and 2, with familiar portraits. They made HoMM after MM5 and roster-wise it seems like they were going for a Super Smash Bros: M&M Edition kinda thing. There are some hints in the lore and manual, like Lord Ironfist from MM1 appearing in HoMM1 and claiming to have come from "Varnal Islands" (i.e. VARN) through a portal, but those are small. The biggest ties are from HoMM2 to MM6 and HoMM3 to MM7.

>>3487624
The grid based ones are fun

>>3487405
Fangarm?
Either that, Roc, or some other Russian imaginary friend

>>3487624
Someone interested in connections from HoMM should probably start at 6 because the earlier games had a different storyline focused around the anicents.

3-5 are great games, but don't really have a connection to the HoMM. If you want the full experience in the series you can start at 3 safely as well. Since they don't really have a connection to HoMM you can go to 3 after you have finished 8 as well.

1-2 are way too grindy for most people. If you want random encounters of 200+, with full respawns anytime you leave an area, and where you can't save the game outside of cities you can consider it but they really didn't age well.

9 doesn't exist. It was so buggy the fan community (TELP) had to release patches to make the game even remotely playable. It has some vague references to HoMM4, but just isn't a good game.

>MM6
>Can't find a portal follower before I make it to 12 water
>Find one immediately after

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Anyone ever managed to conquer that retarded Tower town where the AI just stockpiles Titans?

>>3488771
Here I am answering my own question:
I should not have been stockpiling Minotaurs with two Portals of Summoning but immediately rushed the Tower.

Either that, or only ever flagged the Angel dwelling for 3 Angels per week... but only collected by a single hero.

Should have probably rushed and hoped for Blind in either Mage Guild.

>>3488780
>Blind
>Against Titans

>>3488803
>>3488803
And his shitloads of Arch-Magi, and full Tower and Castle armies I have to tackle...

>>3489038
>they respawn
Absolute balance madmen at NWC

>>3487629
>>3487649
>>3487661
>>3487693
>>3487756
I think I'm going to start with MM6 then. Thanks for the replies.

>>3489459
6 n 7 are great in my opinion, but definitely don't miss 4+5/ world of xeen if you're even slightly interested

>>3475218
Where did that meme came from.

>>3489783
Nowhere. I made it, but it's kinda obvious. Everything about Stronghold screams "attack". And Crag Hack is like, "I heard you like attack so we put offense in your attack so that you attack while you attack". Also, in Hack And Slash (SoD campaign), Crag appears a bit dim and arrogant. All of this makes for some jokes

>>3480184
this, also in PNW, once the rain starts it dont stop, very comfy

>MM8 Bounty Hunter Quest
Why yes, I would like 1.2 million experience.

In MM6, how do you know if you've been magically aged or not?

>>3490554
Character stats will show magic age/normal age above level in the top right. Now that I notice it has level/level but I never encountered any monster or ailment that permanently lowered your level.

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Choose meat for supper!

>>3490565
There are places that can raise your level temporarily, such as the +30 levels well in Kriegspire right by the training hall.

>>3490565
Oh cool, I have a normal age too... wait... Is it possible to play the game long enough you just die from aging?

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>>3490592
i dig this meme

>>3490646
I can't remember if you die but I know once you reach the 50's you start getting penalties to might and speed

>>3490646
In no MM game is aging a problem that will completely ruin your asshole. There are ways to get yourself back to the proper age.

Natural aging will never kill you. Maybe in MM3 it could if you click too many crystals.

>>3490646
Pretty sure it's not implemented in MM6, but in WoX you could kill yourself from magical aging if you were human and went over 125ish.

>>3490554
Magical age has green instead of white digits.

would an all elemental magic run of MM6 screw me over in the end? it has been years since I played 6 but the only place I remember REALLY needing light/dark was Castle Darkmoor. I remembered almost nothing was effective against those eyes except Dragon's Breath.

Thinking about a PADD, with one Druid specializing in water/body and the other air/spirit. Both would focus on fire for direct damage and dual wield daggers. Have the paladin supplement with the essential status elimination spells, and for the archer maybe have him specialize in Earth for fun, since it is supposedly crap I never used it before above expert.

Also was dual weilding broken in the non-Grayface patched MM6? I remembered using sword/spear just fine but I remember a while back someone had a writeup that it didn't work as it was supposed to.

>>3491623
Yes it's been done before with SSSS and all skills b& aside from fire/air/water/earth.

You can just ignore them and run through all the eyes without much problem aside from the last room. Use Rock Blast if you get stuck at a place you were going to use dragon breath. The problem with the eyes is that they are flying. Having to single target things down from ranged is not fun, but every school has a spell that will do it (slowly).

>>3491623
Yes there's a bug with +hit. It's minor and can be ignored.

>>3491747
Now that I think about it, the best way to handle them is master bow. I always forget that everyone gets it in MM6.

Also, if you can manage to find a carnage bow most of the game will be trivial.

>>3490656
MM2 has some trapped spaces that burn a full year if you walk on them. If you reach year 1000 (you start in 900) the world ends and you lose.

In MM6, will bows become obsolete when I get blasters? Will putting points into melee weapons on my non-paladin characters be worthless when I get blasters? Is having a weapon skill worth it at all for a dark caster besides maybe expert dagger to dual wield two of them?

M&M7 plot question: I'm kinda confused by the war for Harmondale. Why did it go for so long when Bracada's judge could stop it so easily? It's literally child story-grade resolution, all it took was to divide Harmondale in half. The cutscene after shows Catherine and king what's-his-name say: "duh, how could we have been that dumb". Honestly, it's like both rulers were dumb in the head, or at least were controlled by some force. To think that the war lasted for years and years.

Also, speaking of the war arbiter/judge, what does this title mean—did it exist IRL? Who appointed Judge Grey, why was his position even created in the dispute, and isn't it kinda weird the arbiter resided in Harmondale? I googled it out of curiosity, but all I found was vidya and more vidya.

>>3492538
You know blasters only come very late into the game right? If I recall once you have access to the blasters you're already one quest away from the end.

>>3492564
Yes, but it's the very last quest in the game before you go to the final dungeon.

Will putting points into melee weapons on my non-paladin characters be worthless when I get blasters?
No

>Is having a weapon skill worth it at all for a dark caster besides maybe expert dagger to dual wield two of them?
Druids can get mace/dagger, so get them expert dagger as well. Other than that, the skills are basically useless. Master mace and dagger skills are low chance procs that aren't really worth it.

>>3492539
>Why did it go for so long when Bracada's judge could stop it so easily?
It's a fucking race war. Neither side was thinking straight, plus both sides had their own egos to deal with and hundreds of years of territorial claims. Judge Grey seems to have mostly given up on the two sides and was waiting for an external death before he could fix things (unfortunately for him it was is death). He had hoped the artifact would make both sides realize the war was a waste of time but it didn't.

>Who appointed Judge Grey, why was his position even created in the dispute, and isn't it kinda weird the arbiter resided in Harmondale?
It wasn't mentioned who appointed him. Harmondale is a logical place exactly because both kingdoms had been claiming the place for centuries. Read the History tab (it's the rightmost book on the main screen). It will fill in as you complete different essential quests.

>>3492594
>He had hoped the artifact would make both sides realize the war was a waste of time but it didn't.
Sorry, which artifact, I didn't get this

> Read the History tab (it's the rightmost book on the main screen). It will fill in as you complete different essential quests.
I did try to read it. Mostly, it was variations of "oh my god how long this place has been in war"

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Let's play a game. There's an item lying on the ground in this screenshot. Can you find it?

>>3492636
The Trumpet you recover in Tulerean Forest when the humans try to take it by force.

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>>3492664

>>3492664
Spear on the front left. It's the only yellow on the ground.

>>3492538
everything becomes obsolete when you get blasters

>>3492670
>>3492672
Yep. Took me quite a while, I saw the blue mark on the minimap, but not on the screen. I wanted to take other screenshots, but the spear was pretty much invisible on them

>>3492667
I didn't see any story regarding the trumpet… I was only sent a note, and the history tab has nothing. Can you elaborate?

>>3492706
If you read the text when you turned it in he talks about how he hoped it would "shore up the weak side in the conflict and promote peace" and that you need to look out for yourself and your kingdom.

If you saw the "hint" text during the main part of the war he talks about how the whole thing is stupid. He even says that neither actually wants Harmondale, they just want to deny it from the other.

>>3492726
>>3492728
Ah, OK. I rarely visit his house, and at the moment I don't even have Fly yet (2 hireling slots are already taken).

Just bought complete M&M. How fucked am I if I want to play them chronologically and don't have a lot of experience with RPGs?

>>3493104
You are going to be miserable playing the first two games.

Start at 3 see >>3487649 >>3487756

>>3493104
MM1 and MM2 are still somewhat easier than games like Wizardry, but if you have literally no experience with RPGs, you really should play either 3 or 6.

>>3493104
> chronologically
It's not really necessary. The games do come in the same timeline; but it's not like you have to beat one game to understand the next one.

3, 4 and 5 share very similar graphics/art style and gameplay. Moreover: 4 and 5 are basically about two parts of the same world, and the 2 games can form one (see: World of Xeen).

6, 7, and 8 took a turn from it, and form a different "trilogy" of sorts. First, they take place on the continents of Heroes 2 & 3. Also, MM7 and 8 have a lot of the 3D models from Heroes 3—but now in first person perspective. Second, obviously, they are in full 3D, like Ultima Underworld and Daggerfall, and you can roam the world freely, not tied to a grid; the combat is also real-time (you can turn on turn-based though if you feel like it, but it's never necessary).

6–7–8 are connected to previous installments, but that connection is not very strong or direct. If you start from 6, you won't lose much plot. There are some references here and there, but otherwise you will never feel out of place. The games are not direct sequels to the previous ones, they take place in a different world.

Really, all of the games are at least good. There are no "black sheep" of the series, all of the games were good except for 9, which was basically released unfinished, because the publisher of the game went belly up.

>>3493589
>>3493404
Thanks. I'll give a shot to MM1 anyway (will probably give up and skip to 6 but let's give it a chance).

>9, which was basically released unfinished, because the publisher of the game went belly up.
Yeah, I know that, I've been playing Heroes since I was a little kid, and I'm familiar with the history. I remember reading an interview with an ex-NWC employee who said that MM9 and H4 were unfinished because they had too few programmers. 3DO allocated most of them to work on Legends of Might and Magic instead, which they hoped would make a lot of money and save the company...

>>3493627
>3DO allocated most of them to work on Legends of Might and Magic instead, which they hoped would make a lot of money and save the company...
Don't you just love publisher greed and mismanagement?

>>3493635
They already were in debt at the time (there were some lawsuits, and 3DO already had several failed games), LoMM was just a gamble, an attempt to save the company, I don't think it was greed.

>>3493104
You'll be fine. Play the mac version of MM1 and 2 for better interface and graphics.

For MM6, I heard someone say that a master spear let's you hit adjacent enemies in addition to the one you target, but looking at the skill itself it says nothing about that. What am I to believe? Also, what's the best spear?

>>3493948
Trust the tooltip

>>3493971
If the tooltip is right, why do people say sword/dagger + spear is the best dual wield combo?

>>3493978
attack damage bonus and recovery fuckery

>>3493978
Because you can't use an offhand other than a dagger or a sword. The +hit and +damage stack for dual wields and the recovery time is whichever weapon is slower (which will always be the spear).

Best weapon combo is usually spear/sword or axe/sword.

Are there any real uses to minotaurs, trolls and vampires in MM8?

I get that Levitate might be mildly useful, but just wall hump and you don't need it.

Trolls are just slower knights. Regeneration skill is way too slow even at GM. I mean sure the mace paralyze is kind of nice, but even at level 20 you are talking about a 1/5 proc.

Minotaurs just seem to be the hunters of MM8. Getting the Balthazar Axe early is mildly useful, but you lose out on so much and can't even wear helmets or boots.

>start holding shift while in combat in MM6
>recovery time is a million times faster than even just standing still in run mode
wew

>>3495098
I told you about the run mode bro

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Well this was surprisingly easy, the whole level was a curbstomp.

328 days - Red Dragon rank

I liked how the 11 titans infront of Roland's castle joined me.