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/CRT/ Thread : SCART HARD

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Previous thread >>3416640
This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP): http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting: http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
S-Video Pasta: http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Information: http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
Thread Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PhdXJYwA8xModrTV1Yt-i1tvNgwiagpeBx0m_xNIVtc/viewform?edit_requested=true&fbzx=9009823977812318933
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t. bruce willis
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Threadly reminder:
Do not fall for the SCART meme.
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...Anonymous
08/17/16(Wed)13:13:37 No.3433682
>>3433626 #
Honestly, most Xbox games are going to look better over component on a modern display. The vast majority of the library supports 480p, 16:9, and 5.1. 720p support is more common than you'd think as well, and looks incredible. And some games support 1080i too! As for the PS2, almost everything is 480i and 4:3 with only stereo or "simulated" surround, so you'd want an FV300 or 310 Trinitron. 480i, 4:3, speakers that are far better than they have any right to be, component/s-video/composite with a great 3D comb filter, and fucking astounding picture quality.
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>>3433728
Threadly reminder to ignore this sad little tard boy who doesn't understand how video games work.
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>3433728
>he doesn't SCART HARD like bruce
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>>3433728
Last thread someone told me to filter this file name.

How do I do that? I didn't see any setting for it in the settings thingy.

Yes I'm that bothered by someone posting this in every thread without caring to respond to any logical arguments that many anons have presented in the past.
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>>3433741
>logical arguments
The only "argument" the scart fanboys/shills is that they can't solder/terminate coaxial cable.
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>>3433741
Don't feel bad. It's incredibly annoying while the adults are trying to have a discussion. I'd love to know how to filter this kid too.
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>>3433717
There's one guy who always posts x. y z, yes we know it's you.
This is the same as using a trip.
>>3433737
There's one guy who always purposely autistically does more work to reply with 1 arrow instead of 2, honestly its likely beyond autism, just plain mental disorder.
This is the same as using a trip.
>>3433728
There's always one guy who posts anti-scart propganda and then fucks out of the thread so they won't see proof that their logic is flawed.
Likely another anon with mental disorder.
This is the same as using a trip.

Ive argued with you all in past threads, and I would appreciate if you used a trip so I could filter your shameless shit posting.

Compared to you guys, 20L5 Guy was a fucking saint.
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>>3433751
I literally hardly post

t. butthurt faggot
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>>3433746
i won't argue with you in every thread because historically about 10 anons will reply to you and argue with you until you have no leg to stand on and then you leave the thread. Only returning to shitpost shamelessly

So insecure.
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>>3433751
I'm imagining that these 3 posters are a fucking mental person with multiple personalities.
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>it's a "whine about every single post" thread

k
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>>3433763
No it's a point out people who play little autistic games instead of using a trip, that way no one can filter them.
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>>3433764
what is autistic about thanking bruce willis (in the op)

This is probably some weird ass bait. bye
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>>3433764
I bet you bitched about 20L5 using a trip.
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You ignore them and they stop. People that throw tantrums over trolls are the real autists.
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>>3433770
Yes, unlike you 3
He actually had some ok knowledge, and no one would have been able to tell it was him if he didn't use the trip.

That being said, anyone can tell that you 3 never have anything to add to the conversation, and use mannerisms to
>HEY LOOK AT ME IM THE FAGGOT WITH THE SHITPOSTING FROM THE LAST THREAD HEY BUDDY.
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dude, 20LCunt was identifiable even without his trip
>same old pics
>same old scart hate
>same old reasonnings.
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>>3433774
I doubt you can tell all the posts I (anti-scart) made in the last thread.
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>>3433751
I'm inclined to think 20L5 guy is also SCART guy. I remember him making some posts about how it's shit.
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>>3433728
How pathetic and empty is your life that you wait for every new CRT thread to pop up so you keep posting the same shit?
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Aww shit.

My CRT, LCD and Plasma TVs only accept RGB inputs via SCART. Am I fucked or can I mod them with BNC inputs?

I literally can't sleep knowing that my picture could be 0.0000001% better with only tens of hours of work required.
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You guys don't need to filter him. If he wants to be a coward who runs off after shitposting, then that's his problem.
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>>3433791
Just use an RGB SCART cable. Why would you need BNC?
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>>3433796
da scary cable is bads.
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>>3433792
>anonymous board
>coward

Why do you guys talk like that weird dude from IT
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>>3433796
B-but people keep telling me SCART is shit, like worse than RF.

They wouldn't lie to me, would they anon?
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>>3433803
It's not anonymous.

There were only ever 2-3 people who advocated soldering your own cable and 1 left.

It's not anonymous because he avatarfags with the same scart images every thread, and always the second post.
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>>3433805
Don't remind me of the people who say RF is better than composite.
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>>3433808
That's bait though, no one actually thinks thag
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>>3433812
One day they're going to fool morons and we will have people who do think that.
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>>3433817
That's okay, trade them the Nintendo RF adapter you haven't thrown out yet for something neat.
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>>3433820
Turning a bad thing into a good thing, I like it.

I've been trying to figure out why my TwinFami doesn't like being hooked up to my BVM. Works fine on other TVs but it just appears black and white and flickers occasionally on the BVM.
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>>3433834
Which model BVM?
If menu, how is it set up?
Do you have the appropriate decoder card?
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>>3433834
depending on model you might need an NTSC decoding card.
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>>3433837
BVM-14G5E

I probably don't really, I'm using a BNC-RCA connector (Really need to get my TwinFami RGB modded at some point)

Most of my other consoles on it work fine, this is just a pain.

>>3433841
BVM-14G5E, I most likely do.
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>>3433854
>TwinFami RGB modded at some point
please dont fuck up the palette on something cool like that.
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With DIY SCART cables which uses individually shielded wires, do I need to join all grounds together on both ends, or just at console side? (because ground wires connect to each other on TV PCB anyway).
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>>3433873
I'd be better to keep grounds separated in the cable. Whether the TV, console or audio system join the grounds or use star grounding is up to the individual design.
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>>3433854
give the E letter I guess you have an euro monitor with a PAL card.
I think those cards are hella expensive, so it might be cheaper to RGB mod (and also fix twin fami audio).

>3433868
>this guy again
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>>3433884
Which guy?
I don't speak in numbers.
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>>3433873
>do I need to join all grounds together on both ends
Better not.
>or just at console side?
Only if they aren't labeled as specific ground like most consoles but some (15khz) computers like the Amiga have specific ground pins.

It's always better to just follow the standards.

>because ground wires connect to each other on TV PCB anyway
So?
Why go though the effort of shorting all ground pins in the plug if the TV does that for you?
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>>3433854
You need one of the following cards to decode NTSC composite:

BKM-21D
BKM-24N
BKM-27T

Do you have one of these installed? If so, show us what your [Setup~Input Configuration~Format] screen looks like.
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>>3433884
I'm up to my neck in BKM-21Ds

4 BVMs with at least one installed in each and I only deal in RGB/YUV...
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>>3433907
21Ds are common because of the SDI inputs.
And i believe most units came installed with one from factory. Dont quote me on that though.
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>>3433749
You can do it with 4chan x
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Anyone have a 600tvl vs. 800tvl comparison shot? Not sure if it's worth upgrading
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>>3433919
All it is, is just thicker black lines.
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>>3433786
I bet it's a bot, and he comes in to laugh at us for picking a fight with it.
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>>3433910
I realise this. It's very unusual to see a mid-90s or later BVM *without* one.

Hell, if 14G5E guy's in the UK I'd be willing to send him one for the cost of postage. They're bugger all use to me...
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These threads are so autistic now
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>>3434013

They always were. The whole concept of basing threads around older TV's (and those PVM/BVMs that people are wasting big bucks on) is cringe worthy as fuck.
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>>3433728
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>>3433898
I do have a 21D. I'll get the screens tomorrow, it's late over here and I'm too lazy right now.
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>>3433806
I'm still here, I just don't advocate making your own cables unless someone specifically asks for the best possible connection. Here's the last one I made, a n64 s-video cable. OTS cables can't compete

I feel partially responsible for anti-scart as I discussed broadcast coax, bnc, signal reflection and impendence matching when I was building a RGBS cable for a SNES.

Belden coax and locking bnc is still the industry standard for a reason.
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I have a SCART-to-VGA cable that is causing some issues and I'd appreciate if anyone could help. I have my consoles hooked into a SCART switch, which I'd then like to connect to a VGA splitter that sends the signal to my BVM and my PC. Here's the current pin connections of the cable:
>SCART 04 to VGA 10 (ground?)
>SCART 05 to VGA 08 (blue ground?)
>SCART 07 to VGA 03 (blue?)
>SCART 09 to VGA 07 (green ground?)
>SCART 11 to VGA 02 (green?)
>SCART 13 to VGA 06 (red ground?)
>SCART 15 to VGA 01 (red?)
>SCART 17 to VGA 05 (ground?)
>SCART 20 to VGA 13 (sync?)

I'm pretty sure the color and sync connections are correct - so is it an issue with the ground ones? As it is now, it gives me a scrolling picture, which turns to complete static if I toggle the sync setting on my BVM. I've tried multiple systems with multiple sync types.
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>>3434242
Might it not accept csync over vga?
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>>3434249
It should. My current setup is SCART switch > Sync Stripper (SyncStrike) > VGA splitter > BVM (via breakout to BNC cable) & PC. I'm just trying to eliminate the Stripper from the path to the BVM.
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>>3434134
>can't compare

but they're literally the exact same. It's entirely in your head.
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>>3434134
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
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>>3433728
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>>3434242
VGA 10 is Sync Ground, but it's wired to SCART 04 which is sound ground.

I've seen PVMs/BVMs being picky about RGBS grounding, so you might wanna try to get all your grounds together before the BVM.
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>>3433919
Phonedork on youtube has a pretty good video on tv lines that shows the difference.
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>>3434349
just tried the following with the same results
>SCART 04 to VGA 05, SCART 17 to VGA 10
>SCART 18 to VGA 05, SCART 17 to VGA 10

I'm not sure what else to try. The unused VGA pins don't seem relevant.
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>>3434134

VSWR measurements vs OEM SNES cable or GTFO
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What is this part called/where can I get a new one? I think it needs to be replaced since cable input is staticy no matter what I do.
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>>3434134
Making some custom cables of my own soon for my niche RGB situation, any helpful guides as to properly shield cables and the like?

Pictured: Genny over composhit
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>>3433697
>SHART HARD
No thanks, would not pay to see such a movie.
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>>3434659
>any helpful guides

youre asking the wrong place, all you will get in response are smart ass replies or printouts of the pins with no other information.

source: i asked before to see what the antiscart fuckboys would say. (they likely do not make their own cables just shit the thread up)
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>>3433728
Anon, I sincerely admire your dedication to posting this. Please never stop spreading truth.
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How would I get the best sound out of a crt
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>>3435057
By avoiding built in audio all together and going for a separate audio setup all together.
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>>3435069
well duh but what audio setup
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>>3435072
One that fits your needs and space.

Wanna go cheap? Grab a cheap pair of speakers from a thrift store and an amp to power them.
Results will likely beat out the majority of speakers thrown into CRTs.

Wanna go full retard?
Don't
Dive into the audiophile world and hate yourself (and bottles of snake oil) forever.

Don't really follow new shit when it comes to audio, but I know Micca MB42/MB42Xs used to be recommended pretty often. Pair that with an decent amplifier and you'd probably be pretty happy with the results.

If you don't mind/prefer headphones over speakers, a little headphone amplifier and a pair of nice headphones could give you some real nice results.
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>>3435091
I own a recording studio lol, I just am new to PVM's. Idk how to set up audio on these PVM's,, but I guess when it gets here It should be easier when I see all the ins and outs.

It's a Pvm20M2Mdu if that makes it easier
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>>3433805
Worst Ninja Gaiden game, but has the best game over screen.
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>>3435103
>Idk how to set up audio on these PVM
PVMs are mono (probably 99% of them) and have bad speakers.
Just use anything else.
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>>3435129
If they're mono how would I extend an AMP to them, you can't take mono to stereo
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>>3435138
Are you serious?
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>>3435138
Use one of these to connect audio from consoles to a pair of Logitech LS-21s. You'll never need anything more
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>>3435138
Jesus Christ anon

Remind me never to use your studio facilities. They must be fucking gash m8
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>>3435138
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What's better for Wii: a not-original scart cable or original component going to YPbPr->VGA converter going to VGA->scart adapter?
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>>3434659
Ahh, just as the developers intended.
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>>3435138
I'll give you benefit of the doubt that you're exhausted or something. Those little red and white cables? They don't HAVE to plug into your PVM! Plug those suckers into something external. Neat trick, huh?
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>>3435258
I'd say the former, too many chances for something faulty with the latter.
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I feel like PC CRT's are good for retro games... really high refresh rate as well. How do they stack up vs sonys,jvcs, etc
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I have a Sony Trinitron (flatscreen) CRT, when I was a stupid child I accidentally found out how to enter the factory setup menu and messed with all kind of settings to the point I could never restore the picture to how it was before, now it has some kind of distortion near the sides and it's overall not perfect. My parents never noticed it but I know it's not perfect and nowdays I keep noticing it because I'm doing some retro gaming with my old consoles.

Anyone knows how to enter the secret menu or even better how to factory reset the damage I've done through the secret menu?
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>>3435519
have you googled the model number for a manual?
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>>3435526
The secret menu is not on the manual and yes I googled but I can't find the specific secret menu for this model (KV29FX66E)
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>>3435537
The service manual is here:
http://elektrotanya.com/sony_kv-29fx66.pdf/download.html

Wait a minute or so for the "Processing" link to change to "Get Manual"

The info regarding how to access the service menu is on page 20
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Where can I find Sony and Nintendo multi AV connectors for custom SCART cables?
Buying thin Chinese SCART cables and desoldering connector is viable, but I'd like to avoid it.
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>>3435663
Thank you, I'll give it a try.
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Why the fuck is it so hard to find crt with component input in europe? Am I looking in the wrong places? Am I retarted?
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>>3435916
Look for something with SCART input.

I don't even know if they made TVs with component in Europe.
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>>3435258
You will need to run the Wii in some kind of PAL mode to get RGB out of a scart cable (of if you're in europe, run in ntsc to get YPbPr).

>>3435513
>PC CRT's are good for retro games
They don't work with consoles because they can't do the low resolutions and refresh rate that old consoles use.
They're good for emulators (240p@120hz, or 480p with emulated scanlines).
They're also probably the best you can get for Dreamcast + 6th gen. You will need to put up with a lot of shit to make ps2 work with it, however.
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>>3435513
No 240p
>>3435258
Just use the ypbpr or scart
should look about the same anyway
>>3435519
Dont 'reset' it, could put it in worse shape, just write down the current settings and start adjusting.
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>>3435740
/usr/retro_console_accessories on ebay is recommended pretty often
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>>3435916
pretty sure the only widely released CRT with component are from Samsung. One model even has HDMI.
However they are widescreen, flat, slim and with hd tubes, so unless you plan on using 480p and above only, you get the worst combination possible.
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>>3435916
>>3435930
Yeah, there's literally no reason for Component to be introduced to Europe considering RGB had been there for years. Unless you meant composite.
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>>3434328
name an alternative or stfu
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I summon Kya

What settings do you have for that VBAgx mod that allows 240p? I mean optimal picture placement so nothing is cropped or stretched from the screen?
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>>3435957
480p and above.
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>>3435965
Not kya, but this says which settings
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_Boy_Advance_GX#How_to_get_.22Pixel-Perfect.22_Rendering_in_VBAGX

You will have black bars, because the GB doesnt do 240p, but you will get the scanlines and no wonky scaling shit.
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>>3435980
Thanks anon.
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>>3435980
Man, bummer I cant set a background in VBAm

gba looks super tiny using the 4:3 TV settings.
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>>3436007
Yep I had that problem too, I think you can add some backgrounds, but I'm not sure how.
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>>3435952
This whole post is so wrong for so many reasons I don't even know where to start.
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>>3436186
go ahead
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Any reason my CRT's convergence went to complete and utter shit overnight? Literally, was playing it one night, works fine (some slight off and on convergence issues that seemed trivial at the time) and the next day I turn on the TV and it's so fucking blurry I can't even read the text. TVs don't usually go shot that quickly I thought.

Is it advisable to dick off with a huge magnet to try and realign the rings? Anything in the service menu I can do? Or should I trash it (got it for free) and find another one?
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>>3436253
Possible the settings didnt save?

Also my CRTs convergence and geometry are a little off when I turn it on, fixes itself once it gets warmed up.
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>>3435965
The GBAtemp fork should give you proper 144p/160p automatically.

I honestly suggest moving to Retroarch and the mgba core for this one. At work at the moment, but I'll post the proper settings for matching it up exactly to Game Boy Interface's output when I get home.

Alternately, go look it up on /r/crtgaming; I posted it there as well. A search for 144p or 160p should find it.
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>>3434659
model 1 or 2?

genesis uses a standard 9 pin mini din male connector, the problem is the size of the cabling, you can use bundled sub mini coax (banana peel) or use a short run to a gutted rf connector box and split it to some decent flexible rg59 like belden 1505f patch cable and a locking 1 piece bnc connector. You need tools to strip coax and install compression connectors though. not worth it if you're only making a single cable. just use scart or vga cable to rca or bnc breakout.

>>3434425
I doubt he has the equipment to test, looking at the cable though if it is grounded to both pins ,stripped and trimmed correctly it would perform better with thicker gauge wire and better shielding, whether it makes a difference or not in low bandwidth video transmission is debatable.

DIY is neat, and hand made is usually better imo.
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>>3434659
>>3435282
Looks good to me :^)
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>>3435069
Bullshit, i had to waste money on two mid-range setups before realizing my simple trinitron's was as good for treble and slightly better than either for bass. Either you spend upwards of 400$ for the fancy shit or just make sure to get a nice TV.
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>>3436356
Ok but PVMs have shit speakers
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>>3436356
tv speakers suck any decent brand amp and bookshelf speakers will be much nicer. these are running off zone 2 on my denon av receiver downstairs and blow the trinitron out of the water, also don't get that boomy echo and distortion at higher volumes or bass levels
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>>3435150
>>3435165
>>3435209
>>3435240
It's false stereo, baka y'all
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>>3436385
Is that an attic setup? Awesome. That reminds me; we need a new battlestation thread,
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>>3436413
Thanks, I live in a large cabin and this is the loft. nvm the fencing, I have a rugrat. different crt but the same stand.

I have a few new things for the next bs thread. just gotta wipe off the kid prints and snap a few pics
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who here /s-video/
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>>3436463
Composite and S-vid comfiest signals
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>>3436476
>composite

pls
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>>3436476
Throw your computer in a river, dumbass.
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>>3436463
I am, consumer sets, y/c, crying myself to sleep because I will never get a pro monitor out here in one piece.
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>>3436497
>>3436501
Most people here are on a nostalgia kick.

Best of the best monitors and RGB will detach you from the actual games, and the experience wont be nostalgic.

Similar to emulating really.
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>>3436463
I know RGB SCARTand Component are always better, but S-Video out of my SNES looks so good on my KV300 that I actually can't imagine how it even *could* look better. I know theoretically it would, but it's hard to imagine.
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glad we all agree that s-video is the right way to play
right?

(:
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>>3436509
that's a big monitor
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>>3436509
S-video is slightly softer, also some colors will look different with RGB.
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>>3436508
Objectively false. Everyone in Europe and Japan used SCART anyway you useless fucktard. And who said this is about your precious little nostalgia? This is about getting the most accurate signal possible from our original hardware. Anything less is just smearing shit all over your screen. But you wouldn't know because you don't give a shit about games. I bet you play all your new releases on PC and masterbate to your framerates. I can't believe people this fucking stupid and autistic exist. I don't even own a PVM or a single SCART cable and I'm defending them now just because you're so aggressively retarded. For fuck's sake. I fell for the bait.

Just get out.

>>>/v/
>>>/r/gaming
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>>3436517
KV24FV300. It's a consumer model, but a damn good one. And only 24".
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>>3436523
You sound mad
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>>3436510
Fuck no. This is b8, m8s.

>>3436517
F-for you
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>>3436528
Of course I do. This is the internet. It literally only exists for people to take video games way the fuck too seriously and get wildly upset over nothing.
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>>3436523
dawg I have a BVM with RGB and composite only. I actively use it, that being said I will admit that it reduces the nostalgic feeling that most of the people on this board are after.

Compared it to playing an old composite only shitbox like what I played on as a kid, and yes the BVM is objectively less nostalgic for me.
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>>3436523
yes but everyone in yurop had a shitty off brand tv and ntscj were using jp21 but not always. There's a bunch of old moon composhit and essu-video cables for sale on ebay and such
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>>3436523
And yes, hunting for the purest best signal without being able to accept the slightest imperfections reduces a lot of time that you could have been enjoying the games.
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>>3436541
even the shittiest off brand tv could be rgb driven
>>3436546
ADHD
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>>3436575
SCART televisions in europe were rare compared to component televisions in the US.
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>>3436590
get a load of this guy
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>>3436575
I know but they will look like shit with any signal.

RGB doesnt mean shit on a pos display.
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>>3436592
get a load of this guy
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>>3436592
load of this guy get a
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>>3436604
put a load in this guy
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Sony KV-HR32M31 is this bad boy worth getting?
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>>3436594
yes it does, you're getting the best your display can offer.
>inb4 hide defects bullshit
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>>3436628
and you said i was autistic
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>>3436632
>using a native connection
>autistic
wew famalad
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>>3436546
>>3436575

Or you could term it a hobby. I got into making cables and repairing/hacking TV's and arcade monitors, and I enjoy the challenge, and seeing the results. I've done an amount of reading, and have a few textbooks on order to keep expanding what I know. I'm having a blast. I find the blanket use of autism-spectrum terms to be laughable, and possibly promulgated by people without any grasp of what's possible and how easy it is to achieve. I accept that electronics and DIY isn't for everyone, and that 20L5cuck and the cable-fanatics go a bit far, but on the other hand we have the SCART-memer, who's completely hilarious. Most people here fall squarely into the middle. We all love retro, why not just accept that and try to help where we can?
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>>3436637
subscribed, voted up, retweeted
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>>3436628
the video signal doesn't affect the picture quality of the tube itself, s-video on a trinitron will look better than rgb on whatever cheapass rebranded sylvania you got on clearance at tesco.

RGB dosn't mean best.
dollar shop scart cable and any old tv=/=pvm quality

plus id rather play 60hz composite
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>>3436652
>tesco
>sylvania
>dollar
typical HERE BE DRAGONS
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>>3436637
>making my own cables
>hacking TVs

>>>/r/IAmVerySmart

Lol this fucking idiot slays me

I give. You are officially King Spergfuck.
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should I travel like 40 minutes to get a 10 dollar KV-27FS100
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>>3436652
>cheapass rebranded sylvania you got on clearance at tesco
>s-video on a trinitron
I've been using RGB SCART on consumer Trinitron sets though.
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>>3436706
Sure. Those are pretty good.
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>>3436710
post stamped screen and I'll do the same on an s-video and a ypbpr set. I've got flash carts, pick a game.
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>>3436784
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>>3436817
You are claiming how superior rgb is and that you're using rgb og hardware to a trinitron so prove it or stfu.
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How much worse is S-Video than RGB and in what ways? Like what is noticeably different when comparing them.
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>>3436847
I was not that >>3436710 anon, but some time ago I made signal comparison pics on a 27" trini. I also made RGB pics on an average phillips tv. I also made comp pics on a JVC monitor.
the gallery is still up
http://imgur.com/a/fH4BJ
While S-video is good, if you have RGB available there's no reason to go the extra step.
>>3436857
Reds. NTSC reds are bleeding garbage.
S-video as a whole is pretty good, but NTSC plain sucks at reds.
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>>3436857
RGB is darker, in my experience. S-video is softer on the colors
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>>3436871
Which one is closer to what the colors are supposed to be?
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>>3436874
RGB, unless the console doesn't naturally produce an RGB signal like the NES.
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>>3436874
RGB, except on NES, Genesis, and SNES

But that's just my opinion Idk the exact specifics
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>>3436882
>Genesis, and SNES
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>>3436892
epic meme img /sp/
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>>3436897
>Asks objective question
>Answer with wrong opinions
Stay mad kid
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>>3436970
cute, what monitor?
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>>3436973
14L5, love this thing.

any requests?
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>>3436976
hmmmmmmmm, do ALTTP's opening story thing, fit as much as possible pls and ty
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>>3436976
Gimmick! and Yume Penguin Monogatari.
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>>3436990
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>>3436976
Fighting games!
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>>3437031
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>>3436983
Man, I cant fix this.
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>>3437053
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what do if no local thrift stores have good monitors
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>>3437070
Craigslist.
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>>3437079
none there too, rip me
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>>3437086
?

You arent searching for PVMs on craigs are you?

Dont even type in CRT, just search 'old tv' 'tube tv' or maybe just TV and scroll through all the flat screens.
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>>3437096
nope, searching under television under sell all

theres some, but they're all shit
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>>3437101
just search for; TV in electronics

sort by price low->high because old tube sets are always cheap.

see whats there

post craigs
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>>3436702
The very fact you react like a six-year-old fucking slays me, but I was laughing first, and I'll be laughing last. Did you not read the post? Of course DIY isn't for everyone, and i'm not stopping you being as casual as you want. I'm not jealous of you, and I fail to see why you should be of my high-school education. But the fact we're here and talking CRT, itself a technology that's become kinda specialised as it's been overtaken in the mainstream, should tell you something. Feel free to figure out what.
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>>3437127
http://miami.craigslist.org/search/pbc/sss?sort=priceasc&query=television meme shit

the tv (toshiba 27 inch) I've had for a year broke (long story) so I need a new one
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>>3437146

https://miami.craigslist.org/search/pbc/sss?query=trinitron&sort=priceasc

ask for the model number on that $15 27". (I'm pretty happy with my KV-27FS120). Also holy shit do you live out in the middle of nowhere? I get like 12 pages of results for "trinitron" on my local
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>>3437146

https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/pho/5736305912.html

https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/app/5733231292.html
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>>3437164
I actually live next to rich people, not that I am rich. I live in the palm beaches next to donald trumpf and oprah
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>>3437167
I already asked the miami dude, he's selling them for way too much and he lives quite far.

Other one is composite only, no?
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>>3436356
>the majority
Trinitrons usually have decent enough speakers, and some of the higher end ones even have subs in them.

That said, those can't have been terribly good speakers if they got beaten out by built in ones.

Personally, I have a pair of Klipsch KG4 Floorstanders with my original M2MDU(which hasn't been getting much use) and pair of Sony bookshelf speakers in the attic with the OEV203/Megaview.
Both beat out the audio in the consumer Trinitrons I have, and obviously demolish the tiny mono speakers in any of the PVMs.

>>3436508
>and the experience wont be nostalgic.
Who ever said the experience had to be nostalgic? Can't people just play older games because they enjoy them rather than to "relive how it used to be"?

>>3435965
>>3436265
Here ya go.

The link in the image was to 1.3.3, but everything should work exactly the same with the current stable version 1.3.6:
http://buildbot.libretro.com/stable/1.3.6/nintendo/

And to clarify, I recommend RA and the Gambatte/mGBA cores as they are much more accurate than the VBAGX fork as well as actually running better.
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>>3437173

I like VI screen width set to 640, and then correcting the aspect using HSIZE.

I noticed some strange scaling artifacts when using the VI set to 704.
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>>3437184
I'm curious, what sort of artifacts?

Correcting using H-Size works, but unless you're using a BVM that allows you to set multiple geometry configurations based on input/channel, you're going to end up throwing everything else off.
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>>3437171

yeah, that setup that guy had looked like he'd be expensive. and yeah, the 20" is composite only, I wouldn't be happy with it long-term but it could be okay in the meantime, also some memers here actually at least pretend to like it.

I paid ebay prices for my PVMs, but even that won't really get you up past 20" unless you're looking to shell out >1k for a 30 year old monitor and deal with freight.

I got lucky and found my 27" at a Goodwill donation drop off, and the guy let me have it on the spot since those things don't sell. Maybe keep track of when "set out week" is, if you have something like that. Other wise just pick up that cheapo 20" and keep an eye out for something cool
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>>3437031
>>3437040
>>3437041
>>3437053
>>3437061
>>3437074
Awesome... Those Lttp ones especially.
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>>3437189

Specifically, the doorway shadows in super mario 2. Some dots of the checkerboard would seem wider than others, I think the effect was more visible in motion.

This is with 800 line AG PVM, didn't notice the effect at all on my slut masks
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Would I get 240p if I were to have a computer with composite or s-video out on its graphics card feeding a 480i signal and then use the interlacing shader with retroarch? afaik the shader works with a 640x480 resolution and puts a black scanline on every other line just like a real 240p console would, effectively creating 240p at 15khz.

Assuming this will work, what would be the best card to use? I know that a lot of them have issues with input lag on their 480i output, so I want to make sure to get a good one.
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>>3437225
No, you cant turn 480i into 240p unless you get an extron RGB interface.
It's not as simple as just blacking out every other line.

AMD HD 7xxx and lower will do 240p out the VGA port and youll need a sync combiner.
It's easier with the older AMD cards such as the 5xxx and 6xxx series.
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>>3433697
>Die Hard screen shot
Fucking Kek
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>>3437146
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/ele/5678126461.html

my old 20" sanyo that looked like related had great geometry and component inputs with audio out.

I saw at least 2 other 32" cheaper than this. you need better search-fu
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>>3437257
Nigger that shit's far, I aint in miami despite it being miami.
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>>3436621
Good for 6th and 7th gen, not good for anything older.
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>>3437216
Surprising place to find that, but I'll have to check it out.

If only I could compare to how hardware would display it as well; Possibly in the future.
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>>3437267
ask your mom to drive you.

shit mang i already gave you the formula to find them I don't know the geography of your area.

also thrift shops might have them.
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>>3437284
>my mom

I wish
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>>3437284
Also, sub-pop a shit and nice piss yellow snes they're /rare/
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>>3437284
Cabin. Subpop sticker. Where in the Puget Sound area do you live, anon?
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>>3437298
Snes is my original I got from my big bro in 94? still has og lisa frank orca stickers on it so it is one of a kind, I'll never peroxide it, it's earned its colors
>>3437301
Fairbanks, Alaska. The sub pop sticker is from a trip and covering up glitter paint, I already pitched the tv.
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>>3437319
I have that nick alarm, its fucking loud, made me wanna kms
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I tried to get help a couple threads ago, hopefully I'm luckier this time

I can't for the life of me figure out how to get into the service mode on my shitty old Sylvania CRT

model's a Sylvania 6427GFG, tried all the service menu codes I could find online and none of them have worked. Is there a specific way you're supposed to enter them that's not just press the buttons one after the other?
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>>3437319

Greetings, fellow Alaska
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>>3437324
yes I never use the alarm, everything still works though
>>3437327
yoooo, you 907G?
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>>3437325
my old sanyo it was hold down the menu button on the set, unplug it and plug it back in with it on.
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>>3437269
What about before them, like 16 bit or Saturn?
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>>3437420
not good.
hdcrt 480i and up is nice
240p is not nice.
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>>3437439
480i isnt nice on HD CRT

You know that 240p is 480i right?
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>>3437420
5th gen and older won't look good, and will have input lag. The tv itself is top of the line, but its better suited to consoles that can output 480p and higher, 6th and 7th gen over YPbPr.
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>>3437449
6th gen is 480i unless dreamcast
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>>3437467
All 6th gen consoles can output 480p.
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>>3437484
can is the keyword here.
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>>3437485
6th gen consoles in general could do a lot of resolutions; 240p, 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i
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>>3437516
could is the keyword here.
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>>3437216
>>3437276
Something just hit me.

Are we even talking about the same system? The only Super Mario 2 I can think of on the GBA is the All Stars port, which uses transparency for it's door way, not dithering.

The classics series only has SMB/SMB2"Lost Levels", and not SMUSA.
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>>3437547
Your mother Could suck my dick, but I don't think i Can fit in her mouth.
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How are ordinary consumer-tier trinitrons on a scale from other consumer sets to PVMs?
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Anyone know how to go about ordering from Mimo?
I fancy the idea of emulating everything at 240p on my CRT.
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>>3437565
10/10: BVM
9/10: PVM
8/10: KVxxFV310 Trinitron, then KVxxFV300 Trinitron
7/10: Other Trinitrons like FS100/120
6/10: High End Toshiba, JVC, Samsung, etc
>p-p-p-p-POWER GAP
1-3/10: Other consumer CRTs.
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>>3437558

Yeah, I'm talking about the NES version of SMB2, where I first noticed the effect. I have real hardware to compare it with (mine's still composhit only though), and 640 looks accurate except for the ratio.

I haven't specifically checked to see if gba is any different than nes with regards to VI width. Best way to check would be to find a 1x1 checkerboard pattern idealy with some movement

I actually like less stretched horizontal in general, so this works out for me even when I don't correct for it.
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theres an xrgb-3 on Kijiji in Toronto for $325, good deal?
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If you're into scanlines and excellent picture, check out the Bang & Olufsen line of CRT tvs.

I did a video about my own MX 4000 that you can check out here.

https://youtu.be/Iujx0-JcFn0
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>>3437962
Also, they are very AETHETICS
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>>3437962
no thanks I dont buy gay german shit products. they also just use rebranded panasonic tubes from japan.
>>
I accidentally posted in the wrong thread:
>>3437945
>>3437949
>>3437975
I gonna continue here.
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>>3437981
Looks great as promised.
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>>3437984
49€ for shipping and there was no cheaper alternative.
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>>3437991
You might think I gonna test it right now but nope.
I will first open it and inspect the insides for dry solder joints, bulged capacitors and alike.
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>>3437997
Now I'm gonna take a closer look at everything.
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I know this is a stupid question, but are there any common options for playing back digital video files on a CRT? Preferably in YPbPr or s-video because that's what I have.

>don't have the right video card for that type of analog output
>WiiMC media player only supports a handful of codecs and containers like .mpeg and .avi
>PS2 is really only good for DVD
>PS3 doesn't support .mkv, and remuxing files is a pain, but probably my current best option

it's really just for nostalgia purposes like watching older 4:3 ratio television series, so spending a bunch of money on it seems foolish. Pic related doesn't support 480i. there must be an easy solution I'm forgetting. Should I pick up one of those chinese players that just use thumb drives?
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>>3438001
As expected, as I seen the service manual before.
This shield is secured with 11 screws or something like that.
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>>3438024
Also expected is the amount of dust but not that the the chassis has some extra shielding too.
Fuck, it's easier to bring up a 25kg air compressor than bring down a fragile 30kg CRT.
That will take some time.
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>>3437167
You better not have already taken those PVMs.
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>>3437703
Are you sure the higher number Trinitrons are better than the basic models?
They have some extra features in their menus you will never use but aren't they less deep in order to sell to normies who think thinness is a premium feature?
If I'm not mistaken the basic entry level flat Trinitrons have more bulk in the back allowing for better focus, convergence, and geometry.
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>>3437969
>german
>panasonic

Wanna be wrong some more or are you done now?
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Using a superwide 3840x480 resolution on a monitor like http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#CRT_Monitors recommends, and everything worked up until I tried using the interlacing.cg shader as instructed, where it looks like pic related. What did I do wrong? I have my config set up like this https://gist.github.com/Monroe88/dbd3e01252afa5c50690 so I don't know why the shader isn't working properly (I should add that 3840x240 works but that has its own issues with scaling that make it less desirable).
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>>3438128
>less deep to sell to normies

The FV310 is the best consumer CRT for games. The high voltage regulator keeps white light from blooming or fucking up the geometry. Every other set almost looks broken in comparison after you've seen this. The FV300 is the same, only without the high voltage regulator. It's not about higher numbers or normie shit. It's that these are the two highest quality CRTs Sony ever made. Especially for retro games. In addition to 480i component/s-video inputs and a flat screen, they are the sharpest, they have the most accurate colors, the best scanlines, best convergence, least bleed, best sound, I could go on but this is all well documented in the retro gaming community. If you have the opportunity, I highly recommend picking one up. They're wonderful!
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>>3438264
>0.17$ have been deposited into your account!
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>>3438012
I dont think that scales so PS3 is your best option
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>>3438128
Here, I was just looking through a GAF thread from 2013 about this stuff.

>Originally Posted by orborborb
>The Sony 27FV300 is the best overall CRT TV for 240p/480i 4:3 and 16:9 composite, s-video, and component videogame signals. Top notch comb filter, widescreen mode, color controls, decent speakers. And the best balance between size/flatness/color/contrast and geometry imperfections I've seen. Found one of these with very low hours but they don't pop up very often since they were the high end model when such customers were not buying CRTs anymore.
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>>3438269
Yeah, because Sony is definitely trying to shill for shit on Craigslist. Fucking moron.
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>>3438292
Why do we care what some faggot on 'gaf' thinks
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>>3438296
Oh cool /v/ is here. And here I mistakenly thought we were going to have a nice discussion about CRTs like we did in the last thread.
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>>3435258
Why run scart at all? Not trying to be the anti scart guy but this is a 6th gen console, component works perfectly with it. No need to stress yourself for no reason trying to make scart work.
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>>3438292
>>3438327
>Top notch comb filter
his opinion
>widescreen mode
ok?
>color controls
like every CRT?
>decent speakers
like every trinitron?
>And the best balance between size/flatness/color/contrast and geometry imperfections I've seen.
This is CRT specific, not model specific
>very low hours
as far as I know you cannot check the hours on a consumer trinitron so this is just pointless shilling

This is why I don't give a fuck what some shill faggot on 'gaf' thinks.

Pointless shilling with no evidence and exaggeration is not a 'nice discussion'

The only statement that actually means anything from that quote is 'top notch comb filter' is there any indication that this TV has a better comb filter than any other trinitron?

>>3438336
Some PVMs dont accept component
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>>3438337
>as far as I know you cannot check the hours on a consumer trinitron so this is just pointless shilling
yes you can
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>>3438264
some have a bow that can't be tuned out via service menu

>>3437703
this nigga left out mitsubishi

also my old sanyo DS flat had a beautiful picture and a full service menu.

>>3437440
>hdcrt 480i and up is nice
>480i isnt nice on HD CRT
uwotm8
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>>3438340
Im skeptical, but I really don't care that some faggot on 'gaf' has a low hour CRT

>>3438345
240p is 480i
HD CRTs handle 480p and up.
They can scale 240p and 480i but it's just as shitty and laggy as on an LCD
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God this thread is shit.
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>>3438337
True some pvm's don't accept component, but anon never mentioned what he was trying to run his Wii on
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>>3438348
480i is always shitty, I was just commenting on his quoting the previous poster backwards. HDCRT, not even once
>>3438349
not as shit as your focus
>>3438340
where? I have 2 and tuned via service menu.
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So here's my story. Bought a 27 in Trinitron for $10. It was colossal but I managed to wrassle it into my basement on a dolly. Awesome. Just out garage saling. Been looking for something to set it on but they don't sell furniture for CRTs anymore. Finally find one at a garage sale. Looks clean. No bugs. Problem is a 35 inch Trinitron is sitting on it and comes with it. Total price 50 cents. What the fuck am I going to do with this big ass tv?
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>>3438386
>not having 1 tv per console
Step up
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>>3438390
Well I pulled the fuck out of my groin moving the 27 inch to the basement. I probably won't live to tell about moving the 35 inch one to the basement.
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>>3438386
I'm 140lb and can carry a 27" without too much hassle, me and one similar sized friend carried my 260lb console tv up to my loft, you need exersize.

hope your groin heals though. ouch
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>>3438386
Do you live in the pacific northwest?
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>>3438410
Well it was the angle of the door that really caused the problem. As soon as you go through the door you have to turn immediately left and there's the first step. So it was getting it down the first step on the dolly that was the problem. I was hanging out the door and moved it down with one arm but at the angle I had to be twisted at it yanked my groin out. After that it was smooth sailing. if the door was straight down the basement it wouldn't have been a problem.
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>>3438264
>The high voltage regulator keeps white light from blooming or fucking up the geometry.
Does this mean that bad geometry on CRTs can be reduced by turning down the contrast?
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>>3438423
Ohio.
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>>3437721
Mind sharing exactly what your video settings are, since I'll have to pretty much change everything back in order to not have everything squashed and distorted.

>less stretched horizontal
In this case, it's really not stretching as it is matching the proper width.
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>>3438026
Till now I was busy with this monitor.
This is the so called service position. the plastic/rubber hook was rather flimsy but held the chassis board just fine.
Soldering this was quite awkward due the angle.
No bad caps were found and neither were there dry solder joints but plenty of them were beginning to develop cracks.
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>>3438494
Now after some cleaning it everything looked good. Removing the shielding of neckboard requires an solder iron, which I just had at the moment.
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>>3438496
The front bezel was quite easy to remove, just the 4 huge screws and 2 screws at the sides.
Also this is the only part of the monitor that has some yellowing, being able to remove it easily is very convenient for future retr0bright attempts.
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>>3438505
After a long time of maintenance I was ready to power this up.
This is the builtin colorbar generator as described in the service manual.
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>>3438519
Keep in mind that this picture isn't showed long enough to take a sharp picture.
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>>3438525
Looked much better IRL.
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>>3438427
Even normal or low contrast still has this problem. But I never really noticed it until I saw it corrected. As I understand it, even with low contrast, the ray gun just does not have enough voltage relegated to it to keep the image tight around bright white areas where all three colors are firing together, especially with darker areas around it. So every scanline is thick and razor fucking sharp, and things like text on a dark background look like they could be printed.

>>3438337
Recommending a cool TV that hasn't been sold in a decade and a half is now shilling. Boy are you actually disabled?

>>3438349
Worst /CRT/ thread I've ever seen on /VR/. I'm out. This board has been unsalvageable shit for years, but there are so few decent places to discuss retro games and CRTs on the internet that I find myself coming back every so often in a vain hope that maybe it isn't as bad as I remember, but it always is. It always is. I thought the /CRT/ threads might be the last bastion of hope for decent discussion on /VR/, because overall the last two threads were pretty good. But this thread is so shit that I give up. I guess I'll try reddit or neogaf or someting, as fucking painful as that is to say. /VR/ is officially measurably worse than those places at this point. None of you fuckers even want to talk about games or TVs. What's the point? It's all just "Hurr durr my teebee is better than the rest of you sheeple" and fucktards claiming composite is somehow preferable because they get some fucked up sense of entitlement or superiority by using shitty signals.
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>>3438425
ugh I just hug mine screen to chest and lump it when I need to move it.

this is the 35" console I had to move into the loft, I was the one on the under side going up the stairs, thank god my friend didn't drop it and crush me like a bug.
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>>3438525
good work cleaning her up. hope it works well for you.
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>>3438537
I wouldn't say better (because it clearly isn't), but composite can be preferrable for NES at the very least, as that is the best it can do vanilla, without mods or without replacing the PPU. Although it's composite is so shitty (jailbars etc.) you kind of need to mod it anyway.

As I've been playing NES on composite (ain't no money/time for an RGB or HDMI mod) that's just how NES "looks" to me now. Also there's the part where it's colors are defined in YIQ and all that, but that's nothing a theoretically good RGB palette could fix (although many are far from optimal).

I agree about this place becoming shittier and shittier though. It's sad.
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>>3438579
I just got it into my bedroom. I can't take that thing to my womans house and put it in the basement, not yet anyway. I'll eventually be moving in there and she was not thrilled with the 27 inch Trinitron moving process. I'll definitely have to recruit a friend to move this one when I do make the move. She's pissed today about work shit so I can't even tell her about it right now or she'll flip a shit. This thing is fucking beautiful though. I really just wanted the TV stand but I understand 100% why they wanted to get rid of the tv and only took 50 cents for it. I would have done the same thing.
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hey /crt/

someone's selling a KV27FS12 near me for 60 bucks, should I cop? It looks aight
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>>3438537
By your posting habits I can tell that you are part of the problem.
Glad you're leaving shit for brains.
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>>3436523
Most of the time we just used pic related in yurop. So while it's SCART it was still only a composite signal.
Actual RGB SCART cables sent as a pack-in was a rarity. Mostly they'd only give the bare minimum of composite cables + adapter (needed if your telly was old enough to not have built in cinch ports and only had SCART).
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>>3436857
Totally dependant on the console.
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>>3436523
>Everyone in Europe and Japan used SCART anyway you useless fucktard.

Most people in Europe used Scart only for things like VCRs. Consoles mostly used RF. RGB Scart cables for consoles existed, but they were pretty rare. Saturns came with Scart out of the box and it caused a huge problem because many people only had older tellies with RF input only... there were stores that changed the cable to RF and put a "comes with RF cable" sticker on the box.

That, plus Scart was EXTREMELY noisy, unless you went for super hi-end cables, which were extremely expensive.

Japan did not use Scart at all. They used JP21 (same connector, completely different pinout, and I don't think it was bi-directional). And those were rarely used as well. The standard there was composite video.

Plus a lot of games and a lot of hardware took advantage of composite video quality to make the screen more colourful, or to create transparency effects.

That, and CRT TVs had so much afterglow that composite looked extremely good already, RGB only made a real difference on large sets, which were very expensive. Much more expensive than what huge sets cost today. A 32" set was already something that middle class people could only afford on monthly payment plans.

This whole RGB crap is way overblown, and only became a thing because emulators display exact pixel outputs. My 21" CRT with composite input looks better than my 42" plasma with RGB.
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>>3438962
>Actual RGB SCART cables sent as a pack-in was a rarity.
Bullshit. They were always packed in.
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>Tfw just got the Toshiba CRT back from my brother that he had in storage

Aww yeah.
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>>3438981
>Consoles mostly used RF.
Utter bullshit again. This board is flooded by 'murica claiming they know Europe, this is fucking pathetic.
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does anyone know how we might be able to connect sync to a camera in order to capture frames at the exact rate that they are being displayed? I know this was something that was done in the past with old professional cameras but would it be possible to do something like this with a modern camera?
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>>3438985
>Utter bullshit again. This board is flooded by 'murica claiming they know Europe, this is fucking pathetic.

I'm from Europe, and my Megadrive, SNES, C64, and Famiclone all came with RF, my Saturn came with SCART.

I don't remember what the Playstations came with.

Scart was only big in France. Everywhere else it existed, but only used by aficionados, or to hook up VCRs because you could daisy chain crap with them. Everyone else used cheap cables though, so all it did was make stuff noisy as hell (since the quality difference did not matter for VCRs).
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>>3438598
>50 cents
killer! paid $50 for my console set.

Post some pics when you get it setup, I like me some big TVs.
>>3438984
:)


Just got the station hooked up for the gf's DDR night.
35" off the 27"s monitor out, sub hooked to 35" audio out. Trinitron converts s-video to composite with no percievable lag. Pretty stoked.
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>>3437969
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>>3437969
>panasonic
Don't B&Os use Philips tubes though?

>>3439208
"Gen Lock"
Not something you're liable to find outside of very high end gear, I would think.
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>>3438613
27" beast of a trinitron with SVHS and Component? 100% go for it if your space allows for it. Would love to one day grab a TV like this for a man cave and have a couch set up.
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>>3439374
Does not convey the hugeness of the set. Im at my womans for the weekend so I cant take a better pic.
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>>3439374
Thanks for the smiley face, anon. I was in the market for a 27" Trinitron but the Craigslist ad with pictures I tried to reply to turned out to be a sham. Some asshole used someone else's phone number and I never got a reply via e-mail.

My older brother had borrowed the old family Toshiba CRT for a while but he has no room for it anymore, so I was very thankful that he was willing to give it to me instead. Quality set, and you can't beat free.
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anyone needs a Sony ?
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>>3437703
>7/10: Other Trinitrons like FS100/120

You mean every Trinitron or only chosen models? I've seen locally Trinintrons like FQ75D go for the same price as other brands. Personally I have some Grundig from 1994 and I don't really have an experience with top quality crts
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So excuse my stupidity, I just remembered that this general existed and it's kinda related to what I'm going to ask. I'm not too savvy there.

Basically I have an old ass Philips CRT TV I use for shit like my dreamcast, ps1 and gamecube. It supports PAL60 but I've always had issues with NTSC.

So all I want to do is connect my PC with a 280x to that TV somehow and use it as a secondary monitor. I figure I would need something like an HDMI/DVI to SCART converter or something similar. What am I looking for?

I know that a specific monitor would probably be a better option in this case but where I live it's very difficult to find anything worth a shit.
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>>3440404
http://arcadeforge.net/UMSA:::15.html

I dont know if your 280x can output 240p though

I doubt it
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>>3440475
Yeah, I doubt so. Thanks anyways, I'll keep looking.
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CRT noob here. To connect my ps1 composite cables to pic related I need a BNC female to RCA male adapter? And that's just for the yellow video cable, right? The audio cable and pc speakers (don't believe this unit has internal speakers) can be connected as is?

Thanks for any help with this, guys.
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>>3440658
>BNC female to RCA male adapter?
RCA female to BNC male
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>>3440658
>>3440663
Or in pics.
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>>3439221
>my Saturn came with SCART
It was really fucking awful how the SCART was usually just composite and not RGB, they came with an adapter to connect RCA through SCART. The worst example of this is the original XBOX, which came with a SCART-adapter that was XBOX-branded, this was obviously no off-the-shelf-part, they should have made a proper SCART-cable instead.
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I'm having a weird problem with my consumer Philips TV that I can't describe very well.
It's almost as if the picture on the sides of the TV is moving. Sometimes out of frame, sometimes back into frame. It's almost as if the picture is bending.
I can't notice it during regular games, but if it's an FMV (I noticed it during the ST opening movie) it's really apparent, especially if there's jump cut or something in the FMV.
Is there any way to fix it?
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My setup in the garage. AV Famicom with Everdrive under the TV. The TV has a built-in DVD-player I use to watch old movies.
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>>3440762
scart cable included
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>>3440668
Thanks man. Any idea what this connector is used for? Doesn't seem to work as an RF adapter. Was just looking around the shop at work to see if I'd get lucky and not have to order the RCA>BNC. Only found this.
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>>3440810
That's an RCA-cable with a SCART-adapter, just like I said.
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>>3440826
That looks like a female F-connector to male BNC.
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>>3440810
>>3440837
I've even heard that the result can be worse if you run composite through SCART than if you used RCA.
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>>3440802
Here's how it looks when Mr. Splash is played.
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>>3440802
>>3440902

looks terrible
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>>3440943
It will have to do for now, it's hard to find video monitors here.
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>>3438012
If possible, stream from your PC to your ps3. PC will handle file conversion on the fly, and PS3 will handle scaling if needed.
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>>3438012
I know its not the answer you want to hear but
I use a raspberry pi 2 over composite since OSMC can read pretty much anything. Honestly composite looks fine if your source files are good quality. Its also got a web interface so you can remote control everything with your phone or tablet or computer.
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>>3437560
Hahahaha
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>>3441365
Hahahaha
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>>3440826
>>3440658
Be careful with the computer speakers. If they're going to be placed on top of or adjacent to the TV, you should get some magnetically shielded studio speakers, because over time color purity and the like can be permanently effected. Otherwise if it's a fair distance away, you're fine.
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Saw this guy locally on ebay. Anyone know about these CBC Chugai Monitors? They have the production look of PVMs but this one has RCA compatible composite with stereo? Not sure if any even have RGB/SVHS. I'm gonna go ahead and doubt these are any good compared to a Sony or JVC monitor but just curious.
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>>3441625

CM21A has s-video

looks alright to me. If you don't have to pay for shipping it looks pretty neat. Probably in between consumer stuff and PVMs.
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>>3441625
those look quite nice, when you cop can you show us the picture?
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dumb question, are cctv's like pvms? I would assume so, since they're for security.
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I got a viewsonic p220f new in the box for $30

It stopped displaying an image about 3 weeks after I bought it, but it still turns on.

Whenever I turned it on, it would make the generic CRT "turning on" sound, followed by some quiet crackling

What should I do to diagnose the problem? any ideas what it could be?
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>>3441994
Does it have multiple inputs? Is it on the wrong input?
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>tfw my sister is friends with the head of the hospital she works at

g-gonna ask her to ask for any monitors w-wish me luck
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>>3442016
Wtf would the head of the hospital know? Bad idea to even ask him, unless they're *really* close, then you can do what you want. You want her to be friends with the guys they call when one of the imaging screens goes wrong.
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>>3441994
1. How quiet is the cackling? Like frying bacon?
2. Does the crackling continue, or stop after a few seconds?
3. Does the picture ever come up?
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>>3442061
He sees over the entire operational field, he's basically the head dude for everyone. I'm sure he wouldn't mind, they've been friend since HS

I never thought to ask until today
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>>3442065
Wait, is it still doing this? Or was this when it worked, it crackled, and now it doesn't make the generic CRT turning on noise? Please go into more detail about what it did then, and what it does now, with clear distinction between the two.
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>>3442071
OK, but remember that he might not know anything about CRTs, or when they were replaced or where they went. Let alone caring. Your sister won't want to push him, so the best way might be to ask who to ask next. Get your sister to tell him that the equipment would be old enough it can't be used with modern machines anyway, so anything like you want would just be taking up storage space.

Not meaning to be patronising, this is all just in case you haven't thought about any of the above. Hope it works out well :)
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>>3442090
Hah, *then*, if you do end up speaking to the maintenance guys, tell them the head dude said to speak to them about scoring some of the old imaging equipment. I wouldn't go so far as to use the word "free", but see what you can do :)
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>>3442009
Just VGA. I wish it were that simple
>>3442065

Yeah i'd say it's like bacon, maybe slightly softer.

It stops after the picture appears.

The picture used to come up just fine and now there is nothing. No white line or anything, just blank.
could it be the flyback transformer maybe? I don't really know much about CRT internals.


where do you get spare parts for CRT's?

Thank you for your time.
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In we were in an alternate universe where LCD/DLP/Plasma had never been discovered/invented, how far could CRT technology theoretically progress?
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>>3442081
I want to plug it in and turn it on for you so I can describe the noise because it's been a while but am I going to damage it more in the process?
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>>3442201
Interested in this as well.

Pretty sure the depth required for good geometry is just physically unavoidable.
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>>3442187
That's just static electricity, nothing to be worried about/totally normal
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>>3442204
Don't recommend it.
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>>3442187
>>3442204
ok, but you're still not telling me *exactly* what it does now. When you go to power it up, is there any sound of the tube powering on, static noise, bacon sound, whatever. Which stops after how long? Or is there no sound at all.

If no sound at all, is anything about the set still working. You say it is, but what? Power light? mini-menu? On-screen menu?

You're unlikely to hurt anything by turning it on one more time. But if you can remember the answers to the above questions in rough terms, just shoot them right back.
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>>3442209
There were displays like the jumbotron, for stadium use, where each pixel was it's own tri-colour CRT. That sort of tech was being miniaturised, and there were a few other similar options too. That might have fixed the depth problem.
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>>3442227
if memory serves me correctly:

when working : Upon pressing power there would be a clicking noise followed by the normal CRT whine. picture appeared on screen over about 2 seconds, slowly getting brighter until normal. light crackling sound that got quieter until disappearing about 4 seconds after powering on ( it almost sounded like a very quiet rainstick) . After that the monitor functioned perfectly.

When it died the picture appeared dim and distorted and then dissipated until blank.

Now upon powering on, it makes a sound as if it is turning on normally, the green power light appears, and there is still some faint crackling when powering on, but there is no picture and the picture never appears.

I don't think any pieces would fail from wear due to the fact that it was new in the plastic.
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>>3442250
Does the crackling last as long now as it always did, or does it stop dead faster than two seconds (the time it used to take the picture to appear)?

What sort of distortion were you getting before the set died? Like the v-hold or h-hold had gone, and the screen was total mess of flickering lines (with perhaps the colours you expected to see blended in)? Or was it a colours bleeding sideways, and if so, describe it? Or image size changing? Bright grey lines slightly off horizontal about 2cm apart all over the screen? Something else?

DESU if you're not happy opening up the set and messing with the high-voltage parts, this is probably going nowhere. But let's see.


DESU if you were getting distortion that's not a good sign. Probably high-vola
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>>3442258
I think its a little shorter although it's hard to recall.

The distortion was only occurring right as it was dying. The picture got noticeably softer and then it started to fade out.

I'd love to mess with some high voltage parts as long as there's a way to keep myself somewhat safe? (maybe just common sense?)

I like soldering and repairing, I'm just not too great at making it pretty. As far as my soldering experience goes I've replaced capacitors in vintage speakers, re-soldered some snapped USB pins, and soldered in a new 3.5mm jack into my car, so I'm not too experienced
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>>3442287
At a guess, and it can only be a guess without testing the set, the fade out probably means it's the flyback, or the caps or transformer in the power supply.

As for safety... google how to discharge a CRT, and then keep watching vids and reading tutorials until you're absolutely 100% sure you understand what's going on.

And don't use a fucking scredriver with aligator clips, do something like this - http://www.therealbobroberts.net/sb.html

And even then, solder the wire a little further from your hand, like halfway down the shaft and house the rest of it in industrial rubber hose including the handle.
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>>3442323
thank you for your help.

do you know of any places to find replacement parts, or do they typically have to be scavenged?

as for your guess, another person I asked on a different board about a year ago also thought it could be the flyback
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>>3442358
The service manual will probably list the part #'s, and it's possibly labelled as well. Then google and see what happens.
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>>3440843
Never noticed any difference myself.
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>>3443083
Might not be true then, I can sorta see why it could happen though since this is analog stuff.
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>>3442230
>>3442209
Found this article.

http://www.informationweek.com/sleek-crt-could-strut-its-stuff/d/d-id/1011203?

Wonder why it didn't go anywhere.
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the reason crts never advanced is cause women cant carry them


:^)
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>>3442230
Probably this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

Looks like it performed better than LCD in all aspects but they couldn't bring down the production costs fast enough. It's too bad they didn't just sell it to the pro-sumer market like OLEDs are sold today.
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Where do you guys get your Sony PVMs from? I see pics of those all the time here and I can't believe it's that common. There's none anywhere where I live and the ones on eBay are too expensive and risk being damaged during delivery.
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>>3443753
either be a rich fag and just buy them from medical suppliers/ebay or get lucky

(I did the first and then it broke and now I'm using a shitty as samsung tv, living the life)
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>>3443753
People are most likely paying the high asking prices on ebay and getting them shipped. Thats the only reason the prices keep rising.

If you wanna get one you're gonna have to be super patient to find someone whos been living under a rock to sell theirs at a worthwhile price, or bite the bullet.
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>>3443753
Look at Olympus OEVs instead. They are just rebranded PVMs.
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if my tube crt's convergence is kinda off, but just in the corners, is there anything to do about it or is that just the effect of the curvature of the screen itself?
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>>3443879
>is there anything to do about it
You can glue some convergence strips to the crt. Check the service manual for the recommended place to put them.
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>>3443879
> the effect of the curvature of the screen itself?
wat
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https://neworleans.craigslist.org/ele/5703219250.html
does this look like a good deal? I need a new TV and CRT+LCD is cheaper than LCD+framemeister
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>>3444446
It's not an ideal consumer model.
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>>3444479
I figured as much, but I' rather something that can be enjoyed from the couch instead of having a tiny PVM on my desk (which I don't have space for).
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>>3444501
I hear you. PVMs/BVMs are also expensive and, in my experience, difficult to come by. Some of the Toshiba CRTs from the early 2000s are pretty decent. You might give those a shot.
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>>3444479
>>3444501
>>3444501

What?

It's a sony wega
unless its HD its good, don't listen to that retard.
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>>3444446
Looks like KD-36FS130. High-end consumer set. It's SD, ideal for retro games. For playing retro games from the couch, you probably won't find a better deal.
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>>3444568
>>3444631
Word. I'm gonna ask the guy if it's still available and try to figure out where the hell to put it.
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>tfw you rgb modded your 2600 and can finally play pong the way it was meant to be played

feels good lads
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powered scart -> component transcoder: $45
scart cable for snes and genesis: $10 each
scart input selector box (for extracting audio): $15

$80 for two consoles with room for others down the line. If SCART is a bad meme, what better way is there to get component video? HD retrovision is eternally out of stock. I don't have access to a pvm or television with native rgb support.
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>>3444446
Looks like an FS100/120. Those are great! You can't really go wrong with an SD Trinitron!
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I got this Grundig model: http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/grundig_colour_television_t55_640_oirt.html

Hooked up Wii over SCART. Screen was moved really far to the left, I adjusted it in the option to the right as far as it could go but it's still a little bit to the left. Also screen is horizontaly stretched, as you can see in this picture, and I think there is a convergence problem on the right side. (cont.)
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>>3437797
No, check eBays prices they're about that. If you can talk him down maybe.
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>>3445119
So, I've tried to get into service mode, but I only get to small menu with 4 or so options like Hotel mode. Inputting Grundig code, 8500, doesn't work. I detached the back side of casing and found 2 regulators which I can rotate. Left one is for vertical stretch and the other one I have no idea. When I put screwdriver into te right one the image starts to twitch with faded black horizontal lines running around, rotating it seems to also stretch picture vertically but very little. Maybe it's for higher accuracy?

Anyone have any ideas how I could adjust horizontal stretch, or convergence? It's my first CRT
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>>3445130
Now I also found two similar regulators on the electron gun itself. One is labeled "FOCUS" and do just that, the other one is "SCREEN" and kinda changes whole screen colors from green to yellow

And yes, I am very careful not to kill myself
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>>3445147
On a side note, the menu with Hotel mode have two other options: "Horiz. Position" which moves the menu itself around, but it has no effect on picture from Wii, and "AGC" which I also have no idea what does, it's set on automatic, I can switch it to manual and input some 2-digit number
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>>3445130
>>3445147
Those are no regulators. They are likely to be potentiometers. In that form factor they are called preset potentiometers or trimpots and they are usually used for devices that require calibration prior to being shipped. Thus, it is not a good idea to play around with them if you don't know what you are doing.
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>>3445169
I left the FOCUS and SCREEN ones just like they were before I touched them. I'm thinking about leaving the vertical stretch ones turned to the max because Wii picture gets really squashed when I change it to 60Hz

Does anyone have any experience with Grundigs? Is there a more advanced service mode somewhere?
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>>3445220
Do you have a button marked "P/C" somewhere on the set itself?

If so, try holding it when turning the power on.
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>>3445250
Yeah I heard of this one, I have a button "i" instead and when I hold it during turning tv on it goes into this small, 3-option service mode. I think one of the capacitors is broken, I'm not sure I could fix something like that myself

Maybe I should just buy new tv? Are all Trinitrons models good or only chosen few?
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>>3445280
All curved trinis are solid, input options will vary of course. If you're yurop which I suspect you are, pretty much everything will have RGB-capable SCART so you're golden.

The FD-Trinitron/WEGA era (1998 on, more or less) is when things got complicated with 100hz, ED/HD, lag, upscaling and other associated nasties. They started being built down to a price too which isn't good from a reliability standpoint.
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>>3445169
>Thus, it is not a good idea to play around with them if you don't know what you are doing.

Come on now what the fuck.
It's absolutely FINE to adjust any of the pots in the back as you can easily put them back to normal and in a lot of cases the focus pot improves the picture tremendously
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>>3445280
If it can't do 60Hz then yes.
I wouldnt get rid of it just because of a little overscan and you can't expect PVM tier geometry convergence and sharpness out of a consumer CRT no matter what you do.
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>>3445417
>If it can't do 60Hz then yes.
It can. After switching, black bars appear on top and bottom, but nonetheless it can do 60Hz. The problem is the picture gets cut on the left and right sides, and I just learned it has no real service menu to adjust things like that, it must be problem with electronics
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>>3445417
>>3445437
You know what anon, you're right. I'm not gonna trash this 60hz beauty just because of 1-2cm of picture missing. Sorry for making such a big fuss about this, I'm after couple beers.
When I opened that tv there was huge layer of dust on the circuit, could cleaning it solve that overscan problem?
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>>3445437
It runs the CUC-6300 chassis so it does have a service menu. You need a service remote capable of transmitting code 40 or one with "P/C" button to access it.

Are you sure you have the original remote? It should look like pic related.
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>>3445471
Yeah I'm sure. It does have a Service menu, but one that has only these options, nothing else. I read somewhere that inputting 8500 here would do something but it's not working, and I have 2 working remotes with me
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>>3445490
Protip: The "P/C" button I was talking about is the one directly to the left of the zero channel one.

Hold it while switching the power on - with the button on the set, not the remote.
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Just got a working trinitron KV-20FV10 from the trash is it worth using or is this a bad model?
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>>3445409
>as you can easily put them back to normal
This is not always the case as the user doesn't always have the equipment to know when they are normal.
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>>3445510
How retarded can you be?
if it looks good then there you fucking go you're done. Not talking about fucking with the color balance or anything.

It's so fucking simple but the babies in this thread most are afraid to even take the back off let alone adjust something.

This is not rocket science you don't need equipment to change some settings.

Also yes you can tell easily where the pot used to be before you turned it. Not that it matters at all anyway because youre adjusting it for what looks the best anyway.
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>>3445508
Looks like a decent no-frills set. No 100hz or upscaling to worry about.

Flat tube is a bit of a bummer but apart from that it should be ok.
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>>3445516
Indeed.

In any case anon has a Wii so could very easily display test patterns via 240p Test Suite to get it perfect. That's how I generally calibrate my BVMs and it kicks arse.
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>>3445497
Holding that button only launches some "ATS" menu, which seems to be a channel sorter
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>>3445516
>How retarded can you be?
Not as much as you.
>if it looks good then there you fucking go you're done.
Nope. A properly calibrated device needs to have several measurements over a certain range or it may be hazardous. This is the important part of "knowing what you are doing".

>Not talking about fucking with the color balance or anything.
How would you know that since he just rotated any pots he found without knowing what they are for?

>Also yes you can tell easily where the pot used to be before you turned it.
I doubt you could turn your pot back to where it was with a precision of a few ppm.
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>>3445539
>I doubt you could turn your pot back to where it was with a precision of a few ppm.
>ppm
Wut?

Not that guy but I reckon I could. My day job used to involve PM-aligning LC fibre optic terminations to within 40 arc-seconds of true. I got pretty good, and fast, at it.
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>>3445539
Is anyone else reading this?
This is literally the stupidest shit i've ever read in this thread.

As expected from mr scart meme

I'll leave this for someone else and go ahead and filter you shit for brains.

>a certain range or it may be hazardous
This is just too much
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>>3445549
hes probably referring to the fire attack from twinrova in the spirit temple. hurts my eyes mane
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>>3445548
>Wut?
ppm is parts per million

>My day job used to involve PM-aligning LC fibre optic terminations to within 40 arc-seconds of true. I got pretty good, and fast, at it.
Did you have equipment to test at your job?

>>3445549
>This is just too much
Mess with the screen pot of an old enough CRT and you can make it emit x-rays. See pic.
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>>3445569
I know what parts per million are numbnuts. It just doesn't really relate to angular measurements. That's what degrees, arc-minutes and arc-seconds are for...

Oh and yes, I did have equipment to test. It's a given when you're dealing with hugely expensive military, telecoms, sub-sea, aerospace, oil+gas hardware.

Jesus you know-it-all NEETs really get on my nerves sometimes.
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>go to friends house for some retro gaming
>he just picked up a new consumer crt
>hes using component, fucking lol
>plug in his snes with the scart rgb cable i keep on me at all times
>his tv's red signals are clearly off by 2 parts per million

how do people even play like this?
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>>3445602
I bet he did the adjustments by himself.
The pleb just doesn't have the proper equipment.

I bet its hazardous so BE CAREFUL
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>>3445586
>It just doesn't really relate to angular measurements.
It does related to measure of the resistance of the pot or the resulting frequency of the oscillator it may be adjusting whose precision may be given by some range, some percent around the desired value, or ppm around the desired value. I doubt the design called for a trim to be adjusted to "47" degress +- 3 arc seconds.

>Oh and yes, I did have equipment to test.
And I assume then that you knew what you were doing then? That's my point: it's unwise to move a pot that you found in a random piece of hardware without knowing what you are doing and without having the equipment to know if you put it back to where it was.

>Jesus you know-it-all NEETs really get on my nerves sometimes.
lol, are you proecting?
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I know this is a little offtopic, but where do you guys get PAL Wii VC wads? I managed to get couple NTSC ones and patch them, but my whole picture is red and I read thats because of european SCART cables and can't be avoided
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Have any of you actually managed to get a Sony PVM by just asking for one on Craigslist. Is this a good way to get a CRT or does it just make you look like an asshat?
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>>3445892
>owner of PVM sees ad
>"hm, lemme check to see what model mine is"
>they google their model
>"Wow these things are worth a gold mine!"
>receive email
>"I've got one I'd be willing to let go for $599.99"
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Sony PVM-14N1U

how shit is it?
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>>3445892
Some people on forums have, do it if you're desperate
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How much is too much for a PVM?
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>>3445934
R u rich?

r u poor?

if ur not a richfag I'd say 30 dollars
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Got a KV line Sony Trinitron for retro gaming. It displays the megadrive perfectly but plug in a PS1 or 2 and it does this strange flickering, but only on some colors. Also does it on normal channel numbers, as seen here.

Any idea how to fix this?
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>>3445969

Flickering might be due to interlacing. 99% of shit on the ps2 is 480i, and some menus on the ps1 are 480i. Have you tested out gameplay on the ps1? That's usually 240p.
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>>3445978

Yeah, you're right, gameplay on the PS1 is clean. But if it's interlacing then why would the channel number flicker too?
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>>3446051
>But if it's interlacing then why would the channel number flicker too?
Because the whole image is displayed interlaced. The 240p that the megadrive and PS1 use is just 480i skipping every other raster line.
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Is there a guide on how to configure in the service menu? I'm in it but I don't know what to do now
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>>3446070
>Is there a guide on how to configure in the service menu?
Your best bet is the service manual and the datasheets of the microcontroller and jungle chips your sets use.
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>>3446062
Wow, you're right, when i connect a RGB input to the Trinitron, the numbers stop flickering/being noisy, but when i disconnect everything from it and run the TV without any input whatsoever the channel numbers are horribly noisy/flicker. Does this mean a brand new sony trinitron's own overlay would display numbers that dirty in absence of a signal too?
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>>3446080
Thanks. Is there a database of every second manual, because I can't find the one for my tv
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>>3446110
*service
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>>3446110
>Is there a database of every second manual
Sadly no. There are websites where you can download some but many manufacturers treated service as a sort of trade secret and only send copies to authorized service centers.
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>>3446117
Hmm, well would I be Ok following a guide from a manual of the same brand? Or an I fucked
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>>3433697
literally me
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>>3446127
There will be similarities so you can take it as a guide. However, different models often have different defaults so you should write down the initial settings before you change anything. Also, some settings are adjusted at the factory and vary among units of the same model.
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Today I picked up my endgame CRT, a pvm-20l2md with expansion card for a second set of RGB in, I paid 100 for it but it was local so no shipping, 100 might seem crazy to some for a CRT but the picture really is fantastic on component, only thing I have so far that isn't s video is ps2 but I plan on either making my own RGBS bnc cables or, if I can't figure it out go the pleb route with SCART and adapters. More pics incoming.

Is there any magic to making the cables or is it literally RGB and S over Composite pin?
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>>3446320
>>3446320
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>>3446323
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>>3446320
I wish I had $100 to spend on a used, 20-year-old TV.
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>>3446320
>he spent money on his pvm

everyone laugh at him!
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>>3446340
It's from 2004 also
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>>3446097
240p is meant to be enjoyed close-up. 480i is meant to be endured from a distance.
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>>3446389
I joke, 480i really isn't that bad, also fuck with your brightness and contrast settings
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>>3446320

>100 might seem crazy to some for a CRT

Nah man, i've spent even more. Plus, it's not really much different from spending hundreds on anime figures or a new gaming pc.
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Ok dudes, so I work at a certain truck-rental place that has a storage facility attatched, Every once in a while, people dump their old CRT's in the recycling center, and i'm always super tempted to rescue them. They almost always have S-video inputs, and are always at least 25" or bigger. A while ago I made the mistake of letting a few decent Trinitrons go, but I have enough CRT's to be picky, i guess. Now that I see how scarce decent tubes are getting, should I start saving the better ones?
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>>3446434
Yes and throw them all on craigslist for 50 bucks a piece
imo
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>>3446320
Pish posh.

Happy for you anon, for some reason, those are like 400-500 dollars. You did VERY well considering the state these monitors are in with people trying to make money off of them. Not to mention alot of the time the expansion cards are missing, and the bkm 129x goes for $100 on ebay usually.

Not sure if its your camera settings since /vr/ doesnt have the exif that /p/ does, but put all the nobs into the dotted position, it looks a lil blown.
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>>3446434
t-b-h sell me on pls
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>>3446553
Thing is, i live in a bumfuck midwest flyover town with a population of less than 100K. Closes major city is ~30-45 minutes away. Doesn't sound like much, but our craigslist age is lumped together, and every time i get something from [majorcity], people are amazed i drove an hour for whatever they're selling. It sucks. I'll almost definatley never give away a CRT to someone who wants it, let alone sell it.
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>>3446558
Pls sell 2 me for cheap thank I never get good monitors where I live
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is a kv32fs320 nice for 64 or SNES?


It looks really nice but I tend to go for 20inch and it's 32
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>>3446434

Yes, save that shit. The more CRTs in circulation the better.
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>>3438012
WiiMC supports mkv along with a ton of other formats though. Are you sure you're not using an old version.
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a-am I the only one without a pvm
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>>3445892
I actaully got a fw900 that waay, asking on forum

thank god for 3. world countries cause otherwise I wouldn't success
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>>3446659
No dude, I haven't gotten one either, they're pretty hard to find outside the US, and shipping one of those colossuses doesn't sound so appealing.
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>>3446568
N64 and SNES will look great on it. Make sure you get an s-video cable for em
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>>3446568
You'll have pixels as big as melons.
Tv size before the HD era exists purely in function of viewing distance.

You can keep a 14 inch on your desk, watch a 21 inch from 3-6 feet away or so, and normally watch a 25/27 inch from the comfort of your couch farther away. A 32 inch requires a large space for itself and from it, since its effective resolution will be normally LOWER than something like a 14 inch PVM.
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look what I got today

Cant find any info on it, also the brand is some I have never heard of "CMS Hi-tech" like a ghost tv.

any ideas ?
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So just got a PVM-1351Q out of a friend's basement, and it's acting pretty strangely.
If I push any button, it starts to cycle through the through the inputs repeatedly, and I can't access the menu. Anyone run into anything similar?
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should I cop a free tx-r2435

how are samsung crts
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>>3447115
noice, i luv them old small grandma tv's from the 80's with only a coaxial input, that's the kind of TV all retrogaming should be done on
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>>3446568
KV**FV are the higher end models but it should have a nice picture. Do you have something that will hold it and a friend to help move it though? Unless you are a bg guy 27" is about the largest one person can carry.
>>3447073
>You'll have pixels as big as melons.
this is a 35" tv, pixels look fine.
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>>3447432
a-anyone

it has s-video and component (and composite...)

I tend to go for sony but it seems fine, it's a 20 inch
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>>3447584
It's literally free, you dip. I'd take a used, smelly sock of jizz if it was free.
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>>3447617
>he doesn't count time and the ride

It's like a 25 min drive
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>>3447620
If you have left at the time you asked you be 5 minutes away from it by now.
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>>3447623
But is it worth, baka senpai
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>>3447630
How do we know?

Its a consumer shitbox, theyre all the same just see if it has ok geometry
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Didnt you guys had a pastebin/guide/image in the OP about some popular PVMs?

Because reasons im getting a good amount of money and i want to buy old consoles for the nostalgia factor but i only have a shitty 768p monitor so im getting a good monitor for them.
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Anyone here have a good guide for modding a ps2 to play ps1 backups from hard drive or USB drive?

That guy on youtube with all the ps2 tutorials has left me with nothing out of the 4 or 5 I've followed.

Btw, if I play back ups, will the ps2 still output 240p from component?

I know when you use official games its 240p.
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>>3447938
The model number isn't really important; there's a hundred different PVMs worth getting. Find ones in the size you want, and make sure they support RGB. Test the picture before buying.
If you want to maximize their potential for 6th+ gen, you'll want a multisync one (very rare and expensive).
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>>3448062
AFAIK the only way to play PS1 backups from the PS2 hard drive is to use the pops emulator but it has pretty bad compatibility.
You can solder a modchip and run burned disks.
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>>3448084
I think I'll take the modchip route. Do you have any links? And the modchip wont affect me playing legit ps2 /ps1 games right?
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>>3448084
ps2psxe?
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>>3447073
CRTs dont have pixels
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Does the GBS 8200 scaler work with 480i?
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>>3448084
man pops loader does suck, I guess I was doing everything right the game compatibility just sucks so hard.

Can't play tomba 1 or 2 or crash team racing
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Got this today. It's a Sony trinitron. The screen is a little jumpy, any way to fix it like a degauss?
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>>3448785
its called interlacing.
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>>3448787
Say what? Complete noob here
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>>3448797
480i
480 interlaced, the screen is jumpy with interlaced resolutions. Some consoles output 480i and others 240p.
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>>3448804
So it's normal? I have nothing plugged into it .
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>>3448809
the menus are interlaced.
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So I have the dc plugged into it and it's a bit like a strobe light. Can notice the flashing pretty easy
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>>3448845
And it's blurry everywhere except the center
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>>3448849
Just read somewhere about adjusting screen screws. Would it be safe to do that while its turned on to see if it makes it any better? May have fucked around with them when i was cleaning inside it
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>>3448863
You're supposed to do it while they're turned on.

Careful guy, you don't sound very familiar with crts. I don't suggest going inside else you might zap yourself dead.
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>>3448868
Seems a dumb spot to have them. Cunt wont blow me up while its on i hope
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>>3448849
>>3448863
Adjust the focus pot

Can't do much about the flashing, is this urop? may be 50Hz
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>>3448880
Australia. So pal
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What does the screen screw do?
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>>3448863
Focus should help with the blurriness.
If you are not 100% sure what a pot does it's best to leave it alone.
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Got a red light now :/ Screen stays off
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>>3448907
G2 voltage. Leave it alone
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>>3448957
...aaaand another one bites the dust.
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>>3449021
Fuuuuuuu. So its fucked?
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>>3449027
Depends.

What exactly did you fiddle with immediately prior to the fault occuring?
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>>3449040
Focus and screen
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>>3443635
Yeah that sounds like it. Thanks, anon. Agreed, it might have been nice.

>>3443753
Read the guide pasta in the OP, it's there for a reason. Then plan your attack, and keep at it.
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>>3448871
It's not a dumb spot to put dangerous controls, it's to protect you and stop you fucking up the set. There's over 20kV inside that Trinitron tube. If you need to adjust stuff, make sure you know how to do it safely or you'll end up zapping yourself.
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>>3438336
Because Sync-on-Green is better and gives you the full RGB color spectrum
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>>3449043
Neither of those should Kill the set, unless it was about to go anyway. Try adjusting the Screen pot while it's off, and the power it up, and repeat. Once it's going, wait a few minutes and adjust the focus.

But be careful of the HV, obviously.
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>>3449254
>Because Sync-on-Green is better
Better than YPbPr? No.
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>>3438336
Wii is known for having kinda shitty component out (gamecube is supposedly better, but then you need the most expensive video cable known to mankind) On the other hand it's the only way you're going to get 480p out of it.
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>>3438983
I don't know about gens 4 and down, since I started out with N64 (which doesn't have RGB anyway), then next console GC came with composite cables, then PS2 as well. I used to play PSX at friends' places, but I can't actually remember what cable it used. I'd guess it was composite, though.

Also, if you plugged it into the wrong SCART jack on your TV, you'd get composite anyway (not to mention there were probably some SCART TVs that didn't do RGB).
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>>3449373
>Wii is known for having kinda shitty component out (gamecube is supposedly better)
The GameCube has slightly sharper component output. Although supposedly Wiis made in 2010 and later have improved component output. Regardless, there are side-by-side comparisons of GCN vs Wii both running GCN games over 480p YPbPr and the difference is negligible.
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>>3449258
How much of an adjustment?
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>>3449437
I compared component to RGB SCART on the wii once (with 240p, emulator) and I thought the colors were better on RGB. I was hooking it up to the framemeister at the time though, so it might just be that the framemeister sucks at component. I guess I should re-do the experiment on my PVM.
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>>3449531
>>3449437
>>3449373

I don't know if you guys were here but i posted a side by side comparison on my pvm in 480p mode.

Gamecube was noticeably sharper, I know i prefer the sharper look over the wii. It probably wont bother you on the wii. Maybe if I'm feeling up to it I'll redo the test since I have a better camera and better lenses now.
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>>3449373
There are some good side by side videos on YouTube. I wouldn't necessarily say the Wii component video looks like shit but there is a very slight noticeable difference. Just not a three hundred dollar difference.
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>>3449612
But if the choice was between Wii component and Wii RGB SCART? (Let's say your monitor doesn't do 480p, to leave that aspect out of the picture).
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New bread
>New bread
>>3449898
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Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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