THE WORLD S MOST POPULAR VIDEO GAME SYSTEM post bootlegs, knock-offs

>>3188474
I had that as a kid.
Whole eastern Europe had it because famicom did not sell here.

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>>3188489
I figured you had Dendy like the Ruskies. I suppose it doesn't matter they are all just famiclones in different housings.

This thing could make you asian?

>>3188490
There are at lest 4 variants that i have seen as a kid and one of them is dendy.
>atari 2600
>terminator/super ending man
>famicom direct ripoff
>dandy


As far as I know people pushed specific clone in USSR and everything else in the rest of the eastern block states.

>This thing could make you asian?
Rarely chinese symbols were used on anything expect the fucking rom hacks but not knowing the name of the games we just made up titles that were universally used by everyone even adults.
ex.Adventure island was called Skateboard

>>3188493
>rarely chinese symbols were used

From what I'm seeing, those ended up with the sad fate of being translated from the japanese version to chinese, then to english. You can pretty much guess how bad that turned out.

Just a little thingie that some might not know:

Over in china, the thing was branded as 小霸王, or Subor as it was branded in english.

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dumpan

>>3188651
megason V when?

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>>3188662
No anon, YOU are the Megason V

>>3188668
aw thanks

Also i still can't believe FFIV has a bootleg port on NES. Its in three catridges!

>>3188682
shit i would play it all day long

>>3188490
Did the keys actually do anything (i.e. was it bundled with family basic or whatever?) or were they just aesthetic?

>>3188647
Used to one one of these (or something with the same physical look)

Was it a famiclone? if so, what games were on it? [I'd be interested in trying to play it again.], my vague memories say it was different to a NES and either cloned another system or included poorly made original games, but it's far too vague to put faith in.

I probably got my parent's money worth of fun out of it.

>>3188702
2 minutes Googling instead of asking silly questions yields this:
http://www.nesworld.com/pirate-dgear.php
So they were original NES games. How quaint.

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>>3188706

>>3188708
How is that quaint?

>>3188716
It's slightly unusual for a pirate console to include bona-fide original titles instead of just duplicating Mario 500 times and occasionally giving him a sonic face.

>>3188692
They typically have their own pirate-style keyboard compatible software; some even have Windows 95 style OSs, there's some videos online. Even still, some have parallel ports for printing.

>>3188721
It's actually not that unusual at all. Almost every multi-cart you can get has at least a few pirate originals on it.

>>3188682
looks sweet desu

>>3188645
SNAKE BATTLENROLL lol

>>3188640
wtf am I looking at here?

My brain is rejecting the very existence of this thing.


>>3188706
>>3188715
ayyyy

>>3188739
I can't remember any time I've encountered one, although I must just be writing some of them off as foreign titles I didn't know existed.

Hacks of existing software, sure, but obvious originals? never.

>>3188747
Weird, I've found them on almost every multi-cart, and every clone system with built-in games I've ever had. My 400-in-1 multi cart has upwards of 30 'Hong-Kong Originals' as they are called in the Famicom pirate scene. You're not missing anything, don't get me wrong. Shit sucks.

>>3188640
Is that a ps3 Famicom or is it a super fami?
>>3188695
Aes shell, nes game, genesis controllers and a master system gun. What

Are all those the same nes clone in varying shells?

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>>3188759
It's a...

uh...

>>3188759
Generally yes, they're all NOAC variants of some kind. Some early clones use actual NES/Famicom PPU and/or CPU. Modern ones are almost all exactly the same, the Yobo FC Game console is a popular model easily available in the US.

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Wireless Air 60. Clone console without the controllers and uses a shitty webcam to track motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qiRCU0SCTs

>>3188813
Something that used an actual CPU+PPU wouldn't be a clone would it?

>>3188869
If it's not made by Nintendo, it's still a 'Famiclone' in the general sense. Sometimes they were real CPU/PPUs, sometimes they were close approximations. This was all before the NOAC architecture made the whole process crazy-cheap and uniform. It was a wildwest of chipsets and clones prior to the NOAC.

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>>3188474
My first and only love, never broke even once in over 13 years of use.

>>3188959
East meets West. Pretty rad clone, anon.

>>3188490
I once saw one of these with a WORKING parallel port.
You could actually print!

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I got this plug and play thing but I haven't plugged and played it yet. Any guesses what it might be? Only writing on it is "Made in China" and "#2 Controller and Gun". The apparent shoulder buttons are just plastic bumps. I thought the gun at least might have some potential.

>>3189237
It's 99.9% likely that it will have a bunch of 1st generation NES games built in. That particular gun is common with clone hardware, and will work just fine on a CRT.

>>3188706
Dang I keep forgetting that just peddling bootleg stuff is illegal.

>>3188750
Nah, I mostly see original games crammed into a cart with a game selection screen. Cheap and easy to do with older games like NES. It's only those most enterprising bootleggers that make those sonicmario games or 8-bit FFVII.

>>3189237
>>3189365
There's always the FUCKING GUN.

>>3188929
Analogue is a clone? Treamcast and Treamstation are clones? I'm afraid the rest of the world disagrees with you buddy.

>>3188474
The zapper uses the body from an original laser tag set, looks like. That's cool.

>>3189818
Those are absolutely clones, and 'the rest of the world' doesn't disagree with that. It's not a bad thing, there are many levels of quality with clone consoles,with those you mentioned being of the 'highest quality'. Regardless, I was referring specifically to late-80s, early-90s clone consoles using identical or similar parts as the real hardware. They existed for years prior to the NOAC units replacing them. They are commonly referred to as clones. If it's not a stock NES, and it's not sold by Nintendo, it's a clone, period.

>>3189365
Pretty much turned out to be that

It has Contra and Twinbee and turbo buttons so I'm happy

>>3188697

>console and controllers are different colors than on the box

why is this so fucking funny to me, i've been laughing for like a minute straight

>>3190067
Because you haven't lived in eastern Europe and you take rational life for granted.

>>3188692
The keyboards worked, but it wasn't the Family BASIC kind, but some weird job from a company called Subor, who incidentally had their products advertised by Jackie Chan of all people.

>>3189957
>i'm another kid who's opinions are more important than facts.
Cool story champ.
I collect clones and know a fuckton about them. You might want to take your recently acquired redit tier "knowledge" back to where you came from before you get as you kids say BTFO.

>>3188721
Not really, there are some companies in China (e.g. Nice Code) that program original games so knock-offs can be sold without the ensuing rape of approximately eighty-seven-and-a-half lawyers.

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>>3188474
Brazil has a peculiar history with the NES. The official console was only released here in 1996, that's right, after SNES.

But we had our share of famiclones.

The cool thing about this one is it has cartridge slots for 72 and 60 pins cartridges.

>>3188869
It's not actual Nintendo hardware, but reverse-engineered stuff from Taiwan. So it is indeed a clone.

>>3189237
It's a Power Kracker. It was on a JonTron video.

http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Kracker

>>3190183
sorry, I mean 93.

>>3188682
Oh man, I had a system like this. Exact same sufami style case with bright red eject button that held the power led. The controllers were different though, the d-pad was a single circle with small triangles etched into the circle, pointing into 8 directions.
Best thing about the controller was that the blue/red buttons acted as autofire versions. Made a heck of a difference in some games, like the boss fights in Adventure Island.

Also instead of Pegasus it had LEVIS written on it in those early 90s "digital" font type.

I wish I still had it. It had a ton of great early 80s NES arcade ports, as well as Tengen Tetris (the one with those dope Russian dancers whenever you reach a level up, wish I had the GIF of those guys).

>>3189818
I believe the NT is legitimate hardware refurbished and in a fancy new case, I believe the Treamcast is a clone, but I never heard of the Treamstation.

>>3188759
this is a brazilian famiclone.

In a nutshell, the military government created Zona Franca de Manaus in the 60's to develop the economy of the Amazon Region. They made it to develop the economy of that hellhole.
In the 80's we also had a law that strictly forbid the importation of anything electronic.

That's why brazilian Master System was made by Tec Toy. They made a deal with Sega to produce.

Atari and Nintendo on the other hand didn't do shit.

What you see is the shell of an Atari 2600 Jr.

Early famiclones here had Atari-like controllers and the later ones used mega drive. They used any spare part they had LOL

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>>3188759
I did some further research. What really happened is, after Gradiente (Phantom System's producer) realized the Atari 5200 was a flop, decided not to produce Atari 7800 anymore. So they went for the famiclone path. So they reused the 7800's shell and went the famicom path.

Aside from the buttons, Top System from Milmar used a really similar shell.

Unlike phantom system it accepts 72 and 60 pin cartridges. For 72pin you put it facing the TV and vice versa for 60pin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06sbctoaAqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stfs0WEBQnc

>>3188703
I still have this one still in storage. I'll have to take pics of it. It had 256 games on it but it was actually just 64 games reposted 4 times. But they were all smooth and worked well. super mario 1-3, contra, wwf, river city ransom, crash and the boys, tmnt were the ones we played mostly.

>>3190204
Thanks anon

I don't think that game list is complete though, it's missing Defender for one

>>3190184
>reverse-engineered stuff from Taiwan is actual NES/Famicom PPU and/or CPU
Cmon. There can't be two people this stupid ITT? Samefag?

>>3190210
>I believe
>I never heard of
in to the trash it goes.

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>tfw will never own miss peach world

I just want my menace beach with porn

>>3188639
The Gayyy Masterrr

>>3188689
For a second there I thought the controller had a sniper scope mounted on it...

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hey bro wanna come over and play some master fighter vi

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>>3188746
Early PS3 Beta model

>>3188674
How does that work??

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>>3190386
> Being in this much denial

holy shit anon, top fucking kek.

>>3191310
Nobody said that ever.
Since you are American you pump it up too much,we actually just swapped diskettes(that was their name) knowing the picture has nothing to do with the game and it was ignored as if it wasn't there at all.

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Started dipping into famicom bootlegs a couple months ago and they've quickly become one of my favorite things to collect.

>rare games like little samson are suddenly dirt cheap
>awesome ridiculous cartridge art
>games are shamelessly fake and there's no unmarked reproduction is it fake or not bullshit
>play while drinking cheap vodka for authentic dendy experience

>>3191787
The FC Bootleg scene is next level. AliExpress has made it stupid easy to get hundreds of rare games for like $4.

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Hey, you wanna see some magic?

Speaking of knockoffs, could I use the atgames firecore genesis power cord with a normal model 1 genesis?
I remember one time my brother used a laptop power cord to power my ps2 and that ruined it, so I'm kinda hesitant. Might just order an official one and wait rather than ruin it.

>>3191796
are the cheap famiclones on there pretty accurate? Asking for a friend

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>>3191931
Magic!!

>>3188684
Wait, this is an emulation box?

>>3191520
>you pump it up too much
he what?

>>3192042
They're basically all the same NOAC architecture, so good picture, kinda bad sound (definitely tolerable though, and I'm a snob about that shit.). You're better off ordering one from Amazon if you're in the US, they're about the same price and the shipping is obviously faster. Many of the ones on AliExpress are PAL units, so if you do order from there, be careful. The upside to some of the US units is that they can use real NES controllers instead of the awful chinese ones. The american units are usually 72 pins, so if you want to play bootleg Fami games you can get an adapter; worth it for the better controller options.

>>3192114
Looks like it probably is, it's unlikely to be hardware based if it can play all of those different formats. Also the card slot is indicative of emulation.

>>3190204
Are there any differences at all between the thousands of copies of the same game?

>>3191796
Thank fuck for Ali, on eBay people seem to think famicom bootlegs with a ROM of a rare game on them must be rare too. You see shit like people asking 75 bucks for a bootleg that isn't worth more than five bucks just because the actual cart goes for 200

>>3192271
Yeah, eBay is absolutely hilarious for pirate games. There's also like a whole scene of people paying top-dollar for 'first-run' copies of pirate games, when they could be a new copy for $4 (Kart Fighter for example).

>>3192271
But they don't have Wanpaku Graffiti

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>>3188706
>cohen

>>3192282
I've definitely seen it on there recently, you just gotta use weird search terms and hunt for awhile.

>>3192241
Sometimes you start on different levels, sometimes the colors are a bit different, sometimes the enemies are swapped around, sometimes it's corrupted to shit, but usually it's the same.

>>3191479
>projecting this hard
And you don't even know it. Like ever other cancerous underage who knows he's right.

>>3192307
> who knows he's right
At least you've come to terms with it, anon.
>>3192282
I couldn't find it, you're right. The selection changes daily though, don't give up hope.

>>3188670
I always get annoyed when I see chink shit in Japan, as if they ought to be better than that.

But I have to remind myself that most of modern Japan is a scam in one way or another.

>>3188689
They definitely, definitely bought internet router moulds to make this console housing.

>>3190175
That's probably nowhere near as intimidating as context suggests you think it is.

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I love this thread you guys

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>>3192443
>housing

>>3193030
What the fuck I didn't type anything

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Maybe this should've gone in that penguin game thread that recently expired.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz3yzcYPfo

>>3193632
Clones like that in that time frame usually indicate that the factory that produced the parts for the original console worked overtime,slapped new mask sold it after the different name.
happens all the time in the high end fashion industry in brands like Louis Vuitton that manufacture in china.They literally just continue to produce the same thing after work time and sell it to the bootleg market.

>>3193721
I know what you are saying, but LV is hand made in France still.. Don't know for how long though.

>>3193756
> LV is hand made in France still
In Chinese owned/operated factories.
LV is part of conglomerate multiple brands are manufactured on the same production lanes.

>>3193632
Fuck. That's pretty cool. Never heard of it, and of want one now. Has that laughably bad looking bootleg appearance, yet seems to hold a certain charm.

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>>3188651

these systems make me extremely sad for some reason

>>3195557
Is that because you picture some old lady being suckered in to buying one and giving it to her grandson thinking its what he really wanted?

>>3195572
partially. It's an odd combination of things.
These devices exist because some companies are betting on misleading people, which is, for lack of a better term, not very friendly. I don't like the idea of companies damaging culture, instead of furthering it, no matter how common that behavior is.
There's also two other aspects to it. One is, lots of people bought these devices knowing full well what they get, but got it because that's about all they could afford. Meanwhile the big companies would ignore these customers entirely, laugh at their lack of buying power. And the other aspect, that kind of relates to it: at least one anon in this thread asked just how much NES is in these machines. It's a good question. There are people today, that would like to play that kind of hardware, intentionally. But all they can get is cheaply made deceptive copies disguised as "modern" systems. Nintendo and co, they literally have the option to produce a quality $15 NES, working with all the old games, or even including them, for $10. They could deliver what these fans of old games, or poor people, would really want. But they refuse, or don't care. Neither option makes me happy.
tl;dr: for some reason these devices represent, in various form, a lot of plain bad shit of excessive commercialization and people being bad to each other, and it saddens me.

Bit of a noob question but does anyone know if bootleg games from Russia and Bulgaria and shit will play on my American NES toaster with the 10NES chip snipped? Or are they usually PAL ROMs?

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>>3195637
Whoops, forgot my pic. Ones like this. Also forgot to mention I have a 60 to 72 pin adapter that works great for famicom but I know those are NTSC.

>>3195637
They will, for sure

>>3195572
I would expect the grandson to be thrilled to receive a collection of amazing classic NES games instead of some garbage modern console. If not, he should be beaten.

>>3195998
peer pressure and desire for peer approval are powerful, nasty things. Nothing against NES game (though the bootlegging is kind of sad) but buying and playing them nowadays requires some intention and awareness. Expecting the modern cinematic experience, no matter how utterly shit it is, and then getting NES games, is a disconnect. There's no way to sugarcoat it.

>>3195980
I know the system will read them, I just wanna know if the bootlegs usually have PAL ROMs on them, I don't wanna be dealing with choppy slowdown business

>>3196590
>choppy slowdown
that's not how PAL ROMs work

>>3196604
They aren't too happy when played on an NTSC console

>>3188661
>That text at the side
>excellence
>enthusiasm
>enjoyment
>hospitality
...what

>>3196701
it's the marketing equivalent of lorem ipsum. filler text not meant to be read

>>3196616
if its slow, then its unoptimized for pal which means it runs at correct speed on NTSC nes, like for example probotector is PAL game, but it runs slowly on PAL nes, but plays correctly in NTSC nes.

>>3188474
Its only popular in this board, anon.

Out of your usual sega circle-jerk groups, SNES and PS2 are a way more discussed.

>>3196701
>>3196710
I figured it was literal/bad translations of words that sound more exciting in Chinese

>>3196839
That's what I needed to know, thanks friend anon! I suppose most of the time those carts have the Japanese version of games on them anyway.

>>3193030
I.....

Don't know what to say honestly.

>>3191520
are you bulgarian per chance?

>>3198067
Macedonian

Some Brazillian anon posted this in another bootleg thread, apprebtly it's an atari 2600. You never see all that many bootleg atari consoles, especially ones that use famicom shells.

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>>3200410
Forgot muh pic

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>>3196874
did you miss the part of the console which is a famiclone that had that printed on it? Way to miss the mark and look like a pretentious douche at the same time anon, bravo.

>>3191787
Is that Dom Deluise?

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>>3200452
I would love to see a catalog or a database of all the celebrities who have appeared on bootleg game cartridges in games they had absolutely nothing to do with.

>>3200859
>Trump series.
It's over, he's finished.

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>>3200958
Something tells me this one is a little more his speed

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>>3195520
>bio hazeed
>al quaeda edition

>>3192476
Ow the edge
(but seriously the Ordinary Sonic romhack is miles ahead of the pasta it was based on)

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>congratulations, kunio-kun

>>3188706
Was this real?

>>3203349

>dat pic

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>>3203391
I have more. Bootleg fami carts are my new favorite thing to collect. The more ridiculous the label the better.

>>3204929
Don't be talking shit about mai waifu

>>3188682
>New Model

Chintendo Vii coming through.

https://youtu.be/Fd1YIbO34Ns

>>3188706
What the fuck I actually own that thing.

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How to resell a forgotten platformer: put the mascot from another forgotten platformer that came out ten years later on it.

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You know you're in the right place for bootleg games when the seller's eBay store is nothing but vidya, knives and Russian cigarettes.

>>3205116
I had one too, they actually sold them at the grocery store in my town when I was in high school. I was real surprised when I got it home and realized it was a Famiclone.

>>3206759
>tfw those three packs would cost me $75 here

Stupid Australia...

>>3203349
evangelion?

>>3206804
Used to see famiclones all the time at mall kiosks in the mid 2000s. Remember seeing that anti piracy ad in EGM right around the same time too. Seems like you stopped seeing those famiclones everywhere after about 2008 or so.

>>3206920
That time-frame sounds about right, anon.

>>3188640
>funstation

im sure it is

>>3206759
I don't know if it's still the case but about a year ago there were a shitload of bootlegs of Genesis games on ebay. Like to the point where I found more listings of Streets of Rage 2 bootlegs than the actual game.

>>3188474
>THE WORLD S MOST POPULAR VIDEO GAME SYSTEM
Sure, its insipid and sub par games are known worldwide.

>>3193030
I'll take 20!!

>>3188869
The chips themselves are clones. Fun fact: if you pull the phoney chips and pop in the chipset from a real NES into the old knock off, it patches up all of the sound issues, turning the knock off into the real deal

source: the famiclone in a real famicom body I accidentally conned an australian man with

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>>3207769
>Famicom
>insipid and sub par games

>>3209257
Amen. Thanks for not being an idiot, anon. We need more people like you ITT

>>3209263
A lot of people seem to not want to venture into famicom territory because they think every game is a single screen arcade style game like chack n pop or nuts & milk. I'm getting pretty tired of bandwagoners who expect every NES game to be shatterhand.

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I love this thread.

>>3188474
anyone know of any websites (not ebay) to find dirt-cheap famiclones/actual NESes

>>3209546
dboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrs8Ffqlj0w
feels

>>3209410

I guess we're just getting older. 20-something kids that grew up with 5th/6th gen can't really stomach "crude" 2D graphics and possibly the fact most games lack save features and are harder also puts them off.

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Not exactly a popular gaming machine but the Mac 512k had the Unitron 512.

>>3193030
>costume
What the fuck is this even

>>3188673

>caitlyn jenner's system of choice

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I found this beautiful creature at a yardsale today. I had to have it, ofcourse. Sorry for the shitty photo

>>3209652
Is that because Brazilian government set high import taxes?

>>3211013
>>>/out/

>>3212257
That is exactly why. Pretty miraculous clone really, the dual floppies makes the Mac512 way more useful.
>>3212182
Greatest name ever, what does it play?

>>3212267
>Greatest name ever, what does it play?

Sub-Tiger LCD games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d49oW0jVXUc

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>>3212267
The game itself comes in 3 different versions. I got the Space War one, but i think they are pretty much the same. It plays like a pop station(?) game.

The thing that surprised me the most about this thing is that the D-Pad is really, REALLY good. Better than most modern official controllers in my opinion.

>>3212280
Fair enough, that d-pad looks straight-up stock from a Gameboy

I've gotten pretty interested in these the past few days after doing research and playing Kart Fighter. What are some "must plays" of bootleg games?

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>>3212852
Aladdin (Hummer Team)
Pirate port of the SNES Aladdin game for the NES/Famicom.
Pirate version is even better than the licensed game for the NES and that speaks a lot for the game industry.

>>3212892
But then again the legit NES Aladdin was a slower, shittier version of the Game Boy edition.

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>>3209467
Apparently Captain Planet is really popular with bootleggers

>>3212852
As >>3212892 said, Aladdin is great, Lion King is a similarly quality experience (I don't atually care for it, but it is impressive). There's bootleg Famicom versions of Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario World that are also pretty legendary. That new-ish Final Fantasy VII de-make is pretty wild as well.

>>3213242
>>3212892
While these games are definitely bootlegs, I'm kind of having a hard time with that name there. Yes, they're unauthorized, and they're sold, definitely bootlegs. But at the same time, they're not deceptive, and they're quality made. It seems closer to homebrew/amateur dev being sold. Is there a way to distinguish the deceptive rip-offs from genuine, though unauthorized, game dev?

>>3212892
>Pirate port
>Pirate version
What's pirated here? The (lack of) Nintendo license? The IP? Because the game itself, the code/engine is genuine and original, no?

>>3213264
>What's pirated here?
I guess the franchise or whatever you call it,Its like making original recipe for burger but still call it McDonald's which is no no in the industry in general.Its is considered bootleg or whatever.

>>3213258
That's fair, it's more of a blanket term used for all Chinese Famicom stuff. Some in the Famicom pirate scene call them 'Hong Kong Originals' to differentiate. There's really no difference in the markets where they're sold though. It's not like RetroUSBs carts or something.
>>3213264
The IP primarily. If they're unlicensed carts, and using trademarked characters, they still fall under the 'bootleg' or 'pirate' moniker, despite the fact that some of them are truly original works otherwise. Additionally, a lot of the code for these games is thrown around between different devs and used for many games. The fighting games (MK, SF, that 'sexy girl' fighting game) in particular all share a code base but it's borrowed/stolen by everyone.

>>3213272
>>3213275
And that's one of the many reasons I despise IP law. You got talented people there, treating a subject respectfully, giving people an entertaining and well made game ... and it's illegal, because someone else sad "It's my thought, you can't think it".
I know there are reasons why IP law exists (and I support it for manufacturer identification, and only there), but this is a perfect example where it needs to die a fiery death.

>>3212356
It does look like that doesn't it? The switches are godly though. So clicky

>>3213337
>So clicky
why do people insist on audible feedback? Numb fingers?

>>3213341
Its not just the sound that makes it clicky. I dont know why i like it though.

>>3213286
To be fair in raw gameplay terms they could always make their own original-the-character-do-not-steal instead of flagrantly violating IP law.

>>3214314
sure, but why should they have to? People are familiar with Aladdin, to stick with that example. And someone went through the work of creation initial graphics, albeit for a different platform. Why force people to reinvent that wheel?

>>3214327
Ultimately my justification is the projection of my own desire to control the things i create.

so in the case of disney's aladdin, i don't really care although there are justifications (shitty knockoffs would make aladdin look bad, for example.)

>>3214360
>my justification is the projection of my own desire to control the things i create
Your own source and raw art assets are perfectly safe, nobody's gonna touch them. The game though, has been given to people, looked at by people, played by people. It is unreasonable to expect any amount of control over other people's thoughts and hands. That's the "curse" of information. If you don't like it, you have to keep your creations hidden

>shitty knockoffs would make aladdin look bad
How does that work? The movie's getting bad because of a game?

>>3214370
>Your own source and raw art assets are perfectly safe, nobody's gonna touch them
My original-the-character's aren't though, and they're what really matter.
If people were stealing my engine and levels i wouldn't give a fuck.
[I'm a confusing fuck who simeltaniously wants total control, and plausible deniability of people doing things like r34 that i secretly want but don't want responsibility for wanting. yeah. consistency. keep that in mind]
ultimately it's partly irrelevant because i accept the nature of information and can't just will control into my hands.

in the case of most commercially released products, i tend to take the position that in the internet age information flows naturally. IP law can try to stop it, but if you can't turn a profit [even with IP law on your side] then it's the fault of an outdated business model and not pirates.

>How does that work?
most bootlegs are shit. aladdin is an outlier where the bootleg is better than the official option.
in most cases, a bootleg - if confused for the genuine article, or believed to be official, damaged the image of the official thing.

i.e. if you go into a macdonalds believing it to be mcdonalds [shitty food analogies are delicious!] and it serves you roadkill, you're gonna think less of mcdonalds for it.

>>3214424
>My original-the-character's aren't though
And shouldn't be. Policing other people's thoughts?

>and they're what really matter.
If you want to be in control of them, do not publish. The moment anybody knows about your information, they can do anything with it. That's inevitable.

>If people were stealing my engine and levels i wouldn't give a fuck.
There's a lot of value in these things, because they're hard to reproduce, short of writing a new one. They're effectively trade secrets

>IP law can try to stop it
It shouldn't even try. It's the IP equivalent of security theater. It's pretending reality is different as it is, and that's not helping.

>most bootlegs are shit
so what? Doesn't lower the quality of the movie one bit.

>if confused for the genuine article
That's why I said I make an exception for producer identification, and only that. The moment a bootlegger pretends to be someone else, I'm all for bringing the hammer down on them. Because experience and manpower are actual assets, unlike IP. A different manufacturer will have different resources at their disposal.

>or believed to be official
That statement makes very little sense if you think about the nature of information.

>McDonalds comparison
It should be perfectly legal to make burgers that look exactly like McDs. It should be illegal to pretend you are McD. Makes sense?

>>3214457
>Policing other people's thoughts?
Policing how they act on those thoughts.
>That's inevitable.
The possibility is inevitable, you can always head them off practically though.
>There's a lot of value in these things
And there isn't in character design, worldbuilding, etc?
>It's the IP equivalent of security theater. It's pretending reality is different as it is, and that's not helping.
It's more effective than security theatre. That's why most of these bootleg operations are from China or other countries lax on enforcing it, instead of legitimate enterprises in the first world. [Anti-piracy in the sense of stopping mass sharing for free, however, is even less effective than security-theatre.]
>The moment a bootlegger pretends to be someone else
By calling it Aladdin and using Disney's Aladdin as the base, they're basically pretending to be Disney and saying "This is the Aladdin you like"
>That statement makes very little sense if you think about the nature of information.
Inaccurate information believed to be accurate informs decision making just as much as accurate information.
>It should be perfectly legal to make burgers that look exactly like McDs
And to use McDonalds brand names for them? [possibly the most analogous to using the Aladdin brand.]
[even if, on the pedantic point, we don't put them in a restaurant easily confused with McDonalds.]

>>3214483
>how they act
with actions that do not affect you, at all.

>And there isn't in character design, worldbuilding, etc?
In their creation, sure. But once they're in public, they're in public. That's the difference.

>By calling it Aladdin and using Disney's Aladdin as the base
You do understand this statement only makes sense if you accept IP law, which I don't?

>they're basically pretending to be Disney
To me they start pretending to be Disney when they credit Disney on the box, use their logo as their own, etc. The public parts of Disney's creation should be free for all.

>Inaccurate information believed to be accurate informs decision making just as much as accurate information.
I have no idea what you're trying to say. All I said is that "genuine" article makes no sense for information. The moment you describe something to me, it's in my head, and as genuine as what's in your head. There's nothing to be confused about. Things only get bad if I pretend to be you, and then extend that information. You might do a completely different expansion, because you have additional information which I don't have (in your head, that you have not told me). So it's important to know the authenticity of the creator. The creation though, there's nothing authentic about it. I can repeat what you told me to anybody else, and it would not change its value.

>And to use McDonalds brand names for them?
Good question, I want to say yes. Though the bigger thing to me is that I do not consider Aladdin a brand per se. I don't know how to word it any better. What Disney released is a couple thousand pictures and an audio track. These things have been made available to anybody with a brain, eyes and ears. And anybody with a pen or a microphone can do more like it, just as long as they make clear they're not the one that created the initial batch. I can not honestly answer how it works for the burger example, so I won't pretend. That would be little more than shitposting on my end.

>>3214495
Regarding the burger names, I guess I kind of want to think that using the names established by McD would be handy shorthand. If the burger imitates a big mac, it's easier for everybody involved to name it a big mac. As long as it's clear the restaurant is not a mcdonalds, the implication that the restaurant is not necessarily using the same supply chain, recipe, etc. It's a different way of using such a brand name though. Like, not in the sense of "this is a big mac, it's identical to all the other big macs from everybody else", but just as a summarizing name for that kind of burger ... assembly. Like calling tissue a kleenex.
I admit it's hazy dirty theoretical territory, and my hardliner stance is probably not too helpful. Just really really tired of the fact that people that value a certain "IP" far more than the "owner". That love it more, understand it more, and so on, are not allowed to do something with it, because of some "I thought of it first" rule. Creation is almost always a derivative process. A creator is inspired by other people's creations, referencing them, changing them around, recombining them. I honestly do not see value in stopping genuinely interested people, and I'm willing to accept a few bad apples for that freedom. I draw the line at creator identification because of what I described earlier. Everybody has additional info that's not published. Head canon, draft documents, a hidden stash of rule 34, what ever. And even ignoring that, people are differently skilled. I may know how someone works and what kind of material they deliver, and rely on that. So, pretending to be another creator, it's kind of identity theft, if that makes sense? It's not about something public, it's about a person itself.

>>3214510
On a closely related note: there are creative industries that do not have the concept of IP beyond their very own trademarks (in the literal sense of symbols identifying the creator), and it works very well there. Fashion industry, for example. Patterns can not be protected. So it's not like some kind of hippie utopia. It has been done, is being done, and works.

http://www.retrojunk.com/article/show/4938/pegasus-polish-nes-clone

>>3214495
>with actions that do not affect you
They can irritate me, steal my thunder, or beat to releasing products that i designed first.
>But once they're in public, they're in public. That's the difference.
Once a level design is public, it's public. Engines are a little more complex, but can be decompiled.
>I can repeat what you told me to anybody else, and it would not change its value.
If you modified it, it would change it's value. I don't really treat art as fungible with information, though.

There's also an issue with the reproduction overshadowing the original when it comes to casual credit for the originator of the idea.

Being honest though, I'm a petty bastard who wants to let 99% of people do whatever they want while retaining the opportunity to bully people I don't like into never talking to me or my wife's artwork ever again, so it's not like IP law is really on my side anyway. practicality is the name of the game. [i.e. if i can get someone to cave, that's that, even if i did so with misrepresentation and bluffing, which i could do without IP law.]

Also Because Disney and McDonalds are companies instead of individuals, I've no issue with people bootlegging their shit. it's not causing issues for any specific individual, but hypocritically at the same time I dislike drawing a distinction because I sometimes want to see other people fuck with an individual's ideas.

>>3214510
>Creation is almost always a derivative process. A creator is inspired by other people's creations, referencing them, changing them around, recombining them
You can always do this freedom-planet style. [blatantly derivative, original IP.]
>>3214513
I don't believe it's overly idealistic. Remember, I believe outright piracy [1:1 reproduction] is a non-issue, let alone inspired reproductions. Personal feuds are the only caveat I have. If not abolished, IP should have some kind of clause to stop "This is owned by a company that will do nothing with it but stops anyone who would"

>>3215642
>If you modified it
I can not. At most I can create a derivative

>an issue with the reproduction overshadowing the original
What's the issue?

>credit for the originator of the idea
What's that?

>I believe outright piracy [1:1 reproduction] is a non-issue
brother

>>3212182
My mate had one when we were kids. I'd read a sensationalist bullshit article in The Sun about them that said they could blow up in your face, so we destroyed it.

>>3188474
oh man, I just saw this exact model in a thrift store not 2 days ago. Would've picked it up, but it's a PAL-B model.

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>sophisticated apparatus

>>3220842
>the reasons causing defauts

>>3205476
holy shit that label

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>>3220883
Whatever Chinese intern they have designing these cartridge labels deserves a goddamn medal.

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micro genius is also producer of dendy. you can buy this with turkish education program (?). pretty sure the screen is a prop.

>>3221953
>you can buy this with turkish education program (?). pretty sure the screen is a prop.
Oh you guys I love how naive you are,it puts smile on my face.

>>3221969
10/10 great post, what a great contribution to the thread

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>>3221969
i know right. it's like "you wanted a laptop here's your laptop".

>>3188706
I own one of these and love it. A friend's older brother bought it for me. He was visiting NYC and bought it from some Chinese guy selling them out of the back of a van.

>>3221997
You don't know what you are talking about idiot.
>>3222004
I just grew up surrounded with bootlegs and got burned few times so now i can smell fraud from a mile away.
Some people were lucky enough to avoid this and thats what i find fun.

>>3222004
That's why it's important to have a screen saver, you can end up with a static image like that on your LCD permanently

>>3188668
>had a friend whose parents were poor
>he comes to school one day overjoyed
>"anon, my parents bought me a play station!"
>invites me to come over after school
>see this
I didn't say anything, just politely participated in his fun. I was sad inside.

>>3192445
kek'd

>>3195584
>they literally have the option to produce a quality $15 NES
Too little profit, too much involvement. Companies aren't flexible enough to bend over every penny.
But I get your feel. I too sometimes stop and think about it when I pass shelves with cheap electronics. I like to imagine that some kid is genuinely having fun with those, making their parents happy they bought it for him.

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>>3195998
>>3196001
http://www.theonion.com/article/cool-dad-raising-daughter-on-media-that-will-put-h-26132

>>3222169
>talking heads
>vinyl
Dunno that looks like present day /mu/ to me.

>>3222169
>Trying not to appear extremely disappointed by her totally lame Dad.

That poor girl.

>>3222189
because it's full of dads

>>3211615
LOLOLOLOLOL I'M GONNA REPOST THIS ON LEDDIT XDDDDDD

>>3222169
That's a pretty good album though.