Which console was worse: Jaguar or PC-FX?

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PC-FX at least had some good games. Atari systems were a mess after the 2600.

Don't know about PC-FX, but Jaguar is objectively terrible. There's not a single game on the system worth playing.

>>3090107
>console
>PC-FX

Really?

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>>3090137
That one and pic related are fantastic.

The only thing Jaguar has going for is Tempest 2000.

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>>3090149
Don't forget Langrisser.

>>3090107
>Which console was worse: Jaguar or PC-FX?
>PCFX
>Console

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>>3090145
>>3090160
How is the PC-FX not a console?


>Does the PC-FX have a homebrew scene like the Jag?
The PC-FX had an expansion card version like the Creative 3DO Blaster with the intention of allowing home brew. I haven't seen anything come to fruition from that but it may be hidden in the depths of Japan.
PC-FX is obviously region free since it was only released in Japan to begin with.

>>3090165
Shit, this card is sexy

>>3090107
>PS>SS>N64
Too obvious

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>or the same number of visual novel pedophiliac non-games
If you check the "visual novels" released on the PC-FX you'll see that most are simulations and not adventures.
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=&fil=plat-pcf&rfil=
Even if you don't understand Japanese you could play Pia Carrot as the sole translated title.

>>3090165
>How is the PC-FX not a console?
It's literally a PC peripheral.

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>>3090192
Do I really have to post the standard PC-FX because you're too retarded to look it up yourself?
Or are you going to pretend it's just a small tower PC with unusually placed CD drive?

>>3090196
>the standard PC-FX
You're not helping your argument.

The thing was designed to connect to PC98 computers.

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>>3090107
>Sega Saturn
>not the best fifth gen system

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>>3090198
There was an ISA version for IBM compatibles aka DOS/V.

>>3090137
The 7800 is pretty badass tho. Literally everything else is a mess.

>>3090107
Jaguar is a steaming piece of shit, filled with garbage that doesn't even have background music. If not for one lama fucking hippie no one would even know it existed.

>>3090226
The Lynx was a good handheld. Fucking huge, but good.

>>3090232
>that doesn't even have background music
>I came to this conclusion after watching a YouTube video from someone who doesn't even know how to use the sound menu

>>3090232
>If not for one lama fucking hippie no one would even know it existed.
Wow underage, it's almost as if you weren't alive back when it came out. OH WAIT.

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The GA was apparently also capable of 3D acceleration unlike the standard PC-FX.
I wonder if NEC had intended to sell a 3D accelerator expansion for the console but stopped due to the small install base.

>>3090251
Definitely one of their ideas. NEC was pushing PowerVR graphics accelerator card tech in the mid-'90s, but that never reached the PC-FX and then PowerVR was forced out of their market by 3DFX.

PC-FX being able to interface with PC-98 machines for development purposes doesn't mean it was meant to be a peripheral in the first place. After all, the console's far more audiovisually capable (FMVs and such) than the PC-98.

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This is a picture of the PC-FX console. Some thread derailing retard is trying to call it a computer because it stands vertically.

By that metric, the PS2,PS3,PS4,Wii,Xbox360, etc are all home computers and not consoles.

There are at least 4 good games on the PC-FX:
Chip-Chan Kick! (platformer)
Choujin Heiki Zeroigar (shmup)
Der Langrisser FX (SJRPG)
Kishin Douji Zenki FX: Vajra Fight (scrolling beater)

Can anyone find four good games on the Jagaur?

>>3090318
>Raiden
>Doom
>Cannon Fodder
>Tempest 2000

>>3090107
>Are the PC-FX and JagCD region and copy free?
Was the PC-FX even released outside Japan?

>>3090158
That's a port of a Mega Drive game and was also on Super Famicom.
>>3090160
The PC-FX is about as much of a computer as a PC Engine (or a Famicom for that matter).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvPR-ofem7E

The PC-FX clearly serves a certain niche audience.

What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system?

>>3090336
Yeah, an improved port with voice acting thanks to all that CD space.

>>3090347
>What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system?
Somebody who did the math and parents bought it on clearance when he was young and wouldn't get him another console.

>>3090353
Making it the definitive version of Langrisser 1 to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPHGLYVxRg

>>3090347
>What type of person do you think would select the Jaguar as his preferred system?
Diehard 2600/7800 oldfags who thought that the Jag would bring Atari back into relevancy.

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>>3090347
This is the launch title of the Jaguar (aside from the pack in Cybermorph).

It's strangely poetic that these wretched consoles appeal to the sensibilities of deranged people.

Let's keep going.
What kind of freak prefers the Pippin?!

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>>3090370
Wow thats so awesome!

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Where did you learn to fly?

>>3090379
WHAT A SHITLOAD OF FUCK

>>3090347

I loved the Jaguar. When all we had was a 286 with an EGA card, Jaguar was the only way I could play Doom and Wolfenstein. Loved it. Wolf3D port in particular was well done.

Seriously? A system that had a few decent to good core games vs a system that had... um... er... what the fuck DID the PCFX have? Nothing memorable, I can tell you that.

Jaguar was better than even the 3D0, and might be a little better than the N64 if you're like me and not a fan of the awkward as fuck 3dified titles it tried to sell to everyone.

>>3090435
>Jag
>beter than 3DO

>>3090443
What the fuck did the 3D0 have worth playing? I remember the goddamn thing when it was out and wanting to spend money on it but I wanted to justify at least a COUPLE of games for it being worth getting.

Nope.

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>>3090435
>Jag better than 3DO
hahahaha NO

>>3090206
its not tho. you fucking weeb

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>>3090465
>Sonyfriends actually believe the PS1 was good

>>3090468
>Using Segata's image for shitposting
Blasphemous.

>>3090363
Langrisser FX was a port of Part 2 and most of the improvements were in the Saturn and PS versions IIRC.

The Jaguar CD had no region lock but had copy protection.
The Atari Jaguar CD freezes at startup and plays the sound of an enraged jaguar snarling if the inserted CD fails the initial security check.
You need a bypass cartridge, developer bios version, special burning program, or a disc image that has been properly encrypted after being ripped.
The PC-FX only had Japan region games and had no copy protection.
The Pippin was region free but had copy protection that worked in the same way as the PS. I don't know if a modchip for this console (which only has 22 games) was ever developed.

>>3090450
Road Rash
Need for Speed
Quarantine
Killing Time
Shockwave

And although they are often panned, I liked Crash n Burn and Escape from Monster Manor.

Too bad about the Doom port. Hardware was capable, but it was a botched port of the Jag version slapped together in a week. I think it was still late on its planned release date. Arranged soundtrack was badass, but it would have been preferable to have decent framerate instead.

Also for the 3DO, not really a game though, is Sid Meier's CPE Bach. Creates procedurally-generated classical music that actually sounds good.

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>>3090206
I know, right?

Everyone knows the best fifth gen system is N64.

>>3090417
You have good character, to be happy with what you have.
May fortune shine upon you.

>>3090435
>>3090450
Lmao. Atari fans everyone.

>>3090558
The N64 had the best 3D games. The Saturn had the best sprite games. The PSX had the most overrated shit like Metal Gear Solid and FF7.

>>3090587
They're popular games for a reason, anon

>>3090251
>that NV1

>>3090534
>special burning program, or a disc image that has been properly encrypted after being ripped.
So it's somewhat similar to the Dreamcast?

>>3090307
>PS2,PS3,PS4,Wii,Xbox360
You don't load on them discs horizontally when it stands vertically.
Anyway, I'm sure it was specially made to look like a PC tower.

>>3090679
Because people are dumb.

>>3090370
>What kind of freak prefers the Pippin?!
I've never seen anybody show preference for the Pippin. Not even Mac-fags.

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Bottom of the barrel should be Playdia or Loopy.

I just got a PC-FX two days ago so I hope it's not it.

>>3090196
Why does your PC-FX say NEC PC880i on it?

Sweet controller, too. I've always been a sucker for consoles with the exact same amount of buttons as a standard keyboard.

>>3091431
>PC880i
Because it is one... Its not a PC-FX in that photo.

>>3091018
Loopy has a cool sticky printer, man.

>>3091423
Sweet. I kind of want one, but the kind of limited library is putting me off (mostly VNs). But then the Jewels of the system seem really good.

>>3091436
>Do I have to post a standard PC-FX?
>Pic not related
Sorry for my confusion.

>>3091442
He was communicating that the PC-FX has a form factor that looks PCish, but that does not make it a PC, it is purely a videogame console. And he posted a similar looking PC in that same format that also has a CD drive in the same unusual placing.

>>3090307
This is an actual PC-FX

>>3090453
>Dat pad

Can that thing be actually used for fighting games?

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>>3091438
Yeah the library limitation kinda sucks, but I pretty much got it for the VNs. I'm gonna try some games that came with it (as I won the PC-FX in an auction) but now I'm playing sakura taisen 1 in the ps2 that I also got. Wanna try out >>3090137 and >>3090149 later on too.

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>>3091431
>exact same amount of buttons as a standard keyboard.
You might want to look closer. There's a couple of keys missing compared to a standard 10x key keyboard.
It was a step from from previous PC-88 keyboard.

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The oddest game in the PC-FX library is Return to Zork.

>>3090196
What is this? A PC-88 with a CD-ROM^2 from a PCE?

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The Jaguar can run SNES games with some minor hardware modding.

>>3090243
>>3090250
Try again retard. Had a Jag back when it game out. If was a piece of shit, AVP & Tempest2000 were the only reasons to ever own one. No BG music in games like Iron Soldier, Cybermorph, Defender2000, etc. Your ass sure is sore.

>>3090370
oh look, another piece of shit with no background music

>>3091658
>Iron Soldier
>Tempest 2000
>No BG music
Ah, so it's just YOU being too stupid to know how to use the sound menu. At least if you were an underage, you'd have the excuse of not knowing any better.

The Jaguar did have one single advantage over the 3DO.
It had a few shmups.
The 3DO had no shmups.

>>3091561
That's amazing. How well does it run them?

>>3091731
It uses Snes Jr parts so it has the same compatibility.

>>3090695
Something like that yes. In addition to putting errors on the disc that could not be ripped but were required to authenticate the game they also used a special encoding method that allowed more than 700MB on the CD.

>>3090329
No

>>3091453
It's made by Capcom so it works well.
The stock 3DO controller requires you to use the select button to do one of your normal attacks.

>>3090453
Oh look it's that one game that's ported to EVERYTHING

>>3091476
Return to Zork is also on the PS, SS, DOS, Mac, and FM Towns.

>>3091775
3DO had the best port at the time though.

>>3091729
Battlesphere (and Battlesphere Gold) is the Jaguar's best game.
It's a fully 3D space shooter that is 60 frames per second.
.
Does the 3DO have any games that are 60FPS?

>>3091776
Yes, but it's the only title on the system that isn't ultra Japanese.

>>3091510
Yes.
I think it would have been more useful if you didn't have to buy a new computer for the compatibility. It came out in late 89 when the PC98 was taking over the PC88's dominant position.

The Jaguar has an active homebrew scene. As we post new games are in development.

The PC-FX homebrew scene is small and dormant but has potential. There is a devkit and libraries and the console might be able to connect to PC 98 computers. There may already be doujin games for it you might be able to find on Japanese USEnet and BBS.

>>3091679
try harder kiddo

>>3092504
>can't refute the fact that you thought your games didn't have music for all these years
>throws out token insult to try and save face
Concession accepted.

The PC-FX is the only console ever that can play VCDs without addons or softmodding.

The PC-FX was known for having the best FMV capabilities of the 5th gen.

>>3091658
>>3092504
Oh, and just in case you STILL decide to pretend you weren't a complete imbecile, here're some gameplay videos WITH FUCKING MUSIC.

Iron Soldier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sy3eIBGXjA
Defender 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_lfu_XJzA
Tempest 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NVLXA05Lx8

You should be a career moron. Just look at what it did for Melissa McCarthy.

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>>3090318
The vast majority of PC-FX games are visual novels and digital mangas.

Here are a few more actual games:
Super Power League FX (baseball)
Team Innocent (Sci Fi adventure that plays like resident evil)
Last Imperial Prince (sidescrolling action adventure)
Boundary Gate (grid based dungeon crawler)
Kokuu Hyouryo Nirgends (Afterburner style game with heavy story) (pictured)
Miraculum: The Last Revelation (Phantasy Star style RPG)
Dragon Knight 4 (strategy JRPG)
Lunatic Dawn FX (Western style RPG made in Japan)

So that is 12 playable games for the PC-FX.
Some of these were ported to the Playstation and Saturn.

What is the better choice for a retro gamer:

~12 okay games that are entirely Japanese but can be burned to CDR?

or

~55 half decent to quarter decent games that are English but you have to buy carts?

>>3093654
Go back to atariage gramps.

>>3095941
Price should not be a factor.
When we debate SNES vs Genesis or NES vs SMS we do not factor in the price.
.
There are functional emulators for Jaguar and PC-FX.
.
I'd have to say that the Jaguar is above the PC-FX because it's got quadruple the amount of actual games and that's not counting the JagCD.
.
Do the math.

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Atari Jaguar made me........

>>3093654
If he was talking about IS2, the cart version didn't have music. CD version did.

>>3096841
>because it's got quadruple the amount of actual games
Jaguar has 67 titles, PC-FX 62.
The question should be more how many games should be played on those systems over other ports.

PC-FX had the superior controller, so I'll go with that.

>>3097087
Actual games!
Not visual novels and press A to turn page CRT mangas.

As for ports both systems are in the same boat.
Some Jaguar games are also on PC and Amiga.
Some PC-FX games are also on SS and PS.

>>3097414
>Not visual novels and press A to turn page CRT mangas.
There aren't that many on the PC-FX, mainly the Anime Freak series.

Why did the PC-FX fail while the PC Engine was a moderate success?

>>3097454
PC FX couldn't do 3D in 96. Interactive anime games didn't catch on as much as they intended and could be easily replicated on CD ROM based 5th gen hardware.

>>3097454
Not powerfull enough when it came out. PC Engine was somewhat succesfull because it was the first 4th gen console

What I am wondering though, technicaly speaking which is stronger: 3DO or Jag?

>>3097454
Because it didn't really offer much over the competition, the main advantage were better video playback and few people cared about that. It had no native support for 3D which was the rage at the time.
Companies weren't interested in supporting a system nobody bought and consumers weren't interested in buying a system with no games.

It may have been a success if released in 1992 when it was originally developed and the PCE had lost a lot of ground against the SFC but NEC decided to mothball it and only released it to compete with PS1 and SS.

>>3097475
They're about even except the 3DO was overpriced next to the Jaguar. I think this is important.

>>3097481
What a HUGE BULLSHIT
3DO was way more powerful than the Jaguar

About technical specs, we could say that Jaguar is stronger, even with all sorts of painful bottlenecks.

NEC, not learning the lesson about adding more chips in a SuperGrafx, decided that the PC-FX would catch with SIX HuC6270's and an obsolete CPU.

And we all know that PC-FX came to America under the name of Whatever-Grafx-32.

>>3097503
3DO wasn't even 64-bit.

Do the fucking math, nigga.

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>>3090356
Damn, that's brutal.

>>3097528
>3DO wasn't even 64-bit
Neither was the Jag.

>>3090435
>>3090450
Three Dee Zero

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>>3097541
Yeah it was mothafucka.

>>3097679
>getting baited this easily
Cum on step it up kid.

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>>3097520
>and an obsolete CPU.
Was the V810 really that bad?
Would the FX have been more successful with backwards compatibility to the PCE-CD?

>PC-FX used V810 - failed
>Virtual Boy used V810 - failed

Was it the NEC Curse?

>>3095941
FWIW Nirgends got a Windows 95 port. It requires a PowerVR 3D card, unfortunately, so it's the PC-FX original for now. Someone's making an SGL wrapper for PowerVR games thankfully.

>>3091784
Also that game is ssf2 TURBO, as far as i know, that version was never released on any nintendo or sega platform at the time.

>>3097726
Probally not, except if it became a hentai machine

>>3097763
stop posting eceleb_reaction.avi

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>>3097947
It did and it didn't help.

>>3097983
Is it the /vr equivalent of MJ eating popcorn?

Does anyone know if that director's cut D version of the 3DO is in English? Is it also the only version?

>>3098725
Was ported to Saturn, PSX, MS-DOS, all in english.

>>3098735
Not the Director's Cut.

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>>3097726
The Virtual Boy used a slower version of that CPU so it was not wasted.

>>3090107
PCFX was moonrunes only. And the nips riked it AFAIK.

>>3098704
Noice. Post moar.

>>3098739
Isn't the Director's Cut exactly the same but includes the trailer for the original D2 game on Panasonic M2?

This is a tough one. Good points brought up in the thread.

Visuals novels/Tokimeki Memo rip-offs are shit, which is most of the PCFX library.

But the Jag is also nearly completely shit. Doing the math, it has almost no good games and some awfully shitty attempts at 3D. It has what, a port of Raiden (a game that was ported to everything up to the PS1), and Tempest, which is on other systems, and Rayman (also ported to everything). It lacks an identity outside of "awful 3D" and laughable design.

PCFX does have an identity, which is "otaku trash." Something is better than nothing?

IMO slight edge to PCFX, it's a 2/10 compared to the Jag's 1/10 (and just to add, 3DO's almost there 4/10).

Are Green Book games essantially FMV games?

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>>3099393
>Tokimeki Memo rip-offs
Are they really ripoffs when they came out before or shortly after Tokimemo?

Did we mention it has stuff the ladies might like as well?

>>3091561
Stop trolling before people believe this shit.

>>3099393
I say it's the reverse.
Jaguar 3/10
PC-FX 2/10
1/10 is reserved for the Pippin

Jaguar games can be so bad that they are good.
Observe the cat in Checkered Flag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1FGK0FW2SQ
In this way Jaguar games can produce amusement which is the original point of video games.
PC-FX games outside of a select few can only produce cringe.

>>3099762
pc-fx's only good games are miles ahead of the jaguar's only good games though

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>>3099762
>PC-FX games outside of a select few can only produce cringe.
With normalfags maybe. But on 4chan you should be desensitized.

>>3100121
Modern video games need more perverted hentai artists.

How would you rank these?

CD-i
3DO
Jaguar
PC-FX
Pippin
Amiga CD32
FM Towns Marty

>>3090367
>Diehard 2600/7800 oldfags who thought that the Jag would bring Atari back into relevancy.

Oh,how we hoped and prayed ...

>>3096841
>There are functional emulators for Jaguar and PC-FX.

WHERE?

>>3100314
5th gen:
3DO>Jaguar>PC-FX>Pippin

4th gen:
AmigaCD32~=~FM Towns Marty>CD-i

>>3100905
JAG
Virtual Jaguar

PC-FX
Mednafen

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>>3100286
It's not just a hentai artist. It's an entire hentai studio NEC got to produce an exclusive.
Chip was Custom's mascot, appearing in games like Metal Orange or Carat.

Jaguar was definitely worse

>>3101538
chip chan sure is lewd. shes not wearing any underpantsu. hey at least the music was good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BuaAbsKpoA

>>3097726

Compared to the SuperH-2 and MIPS, it couldn't hold a candle.

>>3101547
Why did Atari fuck it so up anyway?

>>3101547
From what I'm reading on the PC-FX specs, the system seems extremely conservative. Your basic combination of tile sprite planes plus hardware decompression of video as the main gimmick. Not very exciting for 1994.

In contrast, the Jaguar architecture was considerably more forward-thinking, giving full access to the devs to a variety of fully programmable chips dedicated to video and audio synthesis. Plus it was AFAIK cheap to manufacture.

Too bad the hardware was IIRC full of unresolved bugs and Atari was apparently adamant that the Jaguar was to receive the worst games ever produced.

>>3101538
dat nipple

>>3102143
>Not very exciting for 1994.
What if it had come out in 92?

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why didn't NEC/Hudson just release this instead of the pc-fx?

We could have all been playing HD Hi-Ten Bomberman in 1994

>>3102208
Why Macs?
What does that adapter even do?

>>3102231
>What does that adapter even do?
It makes macs worth owning.

>>3091731
That's the Coleco Chameleon in the picture. It was a kickstarter project and a scam because the so called prototype of the console was literally a SNES Jr. inside a Jaguar shell. It's so bad even Coleco which is nothing more than a brand name nowadays dropped it.