Is this game good?

No, it's kiddie disney garbage. Easy as fuck.

>>2802841
>kiddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3vJRRgw5I

>>2802832
Tried the game a lot of times, always got lost at the very beginning and eventually got bored to death how do I get into it.

>>2802852

I remember a similar feeling but I haven't played it in probably 10 years. I should try it again

it's poop

>>2802854
This, only e-celeb parroting shitters think it's le scary creepypasta dolphin game XD

>>2802832

LITERALLY meme game.

>>2802832
Like the GG version. Genesis one couldn't get into.

>>2802832
It's absolute garbage

>>2802832
I liked it. For its time it was a pretty interesting game (was unlike most of the genesis library). The later levels of the game can be challenging, but in a sort of cheap way. Worth a play if you haven't tried it yet IMHO

>>2802876
Please help >>2802852

>>2802878

Not him, but it's probably better to play the game in short bursts, play one or two stages per day, and don't get frustrated if you die, try again because most stages are maze-like and have some disorienting puzzles. It does feel satisfying when you find your way through.

Probably if you're not drawn in by the game's premise from the start, then you're not gonna enjoy the rest of it, but if you like the concept of playing an underwater adventure, then it's a good, original game worth your time.

I advice to make sure you get the sonar powerup on the 2nd level (you need to find and rescue a fellow dolphin friend, who will give you this power). The sonar will let you attack enemies with it, it's useful because otherwise your only attack method will be the nose dive, and the game is much harder that way.

I also recommend the Sega CD version since it has some extra levels which are more action-y, and a redbook audio soundtrack which adds a lot to the atmosphere. Some people prefer the Genesis PCM soundtrack though, both are pretty good.

If you like the game when you finish it (good luck with the last level, though), you need to try Ecco II: Tides of Time.

It's a Metroid Underwater Escort game that nails atmosphere. It's very hard, if it's too hard consider playing the Japanese version.

It and Ecco 2 are some of the best Sci Fi games out there.

>all these misinformed opinions

It's like half of you never played it, a quarter did and quit immediately (understandable), an eighth just likes vaporwave, and the remainder actually bothered playing it..

>>2802894
>>2802886
These are the correct answers. And in case you forgot, we live in an age where if you're ever stuck you can always look online

>>2802832
It's EXTREMELY popular on /vr/.

>>2802841
This is a troll post. It's hard as fuck.

>>2802854
>>2802860
>>2802862
>>2802874
>>2802875
These people are probably just fucking with you.

>>2802959
>evading wordfilters to shitpost

How about actually playing the game first faggot?

>>2802959

baka desu senpai

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>>2802832
It's easily one of my favorite games of all time, but it's also kind of odd and has never been super popular. If you like exploration and puzzle adventure games then you may well like it though.

>>2802852
How close to the beginning is the very beginning?

In the first level all you have to do is jump high and straight into the air. After that is sort of a training level, you have to do a bit of exploring and learn that you can get the power from one glyph to knock another out of the way.

The third level, Undercaves is where the game really starts. You'll have to learn to deal with air as a limited resource while you explore as well as pass the octopus which requires slow and careful swimming under the pressure of running out of air. The level is fairly straightforward when you get used to it, but that can take a bit of time.

However, if you can make it through there and had fun then you're well set up to tackle the rest of the game. If you didn't enjoy Undercaves though, you probably won't like the game as a whole.

Another thing, if you do continue. In the next level, The Vents and in a couple later ones there will be a lone dolphin that asks for your help in finding other members of her pod and bringing them back to her. It's not necessary to clear the level, but is well worth your effort because you learn very handy skills that way.

>>2802959
As obvious bait as this is, I wonder can you describe to me in what ways you actually think the game sucks? :)

>>2802832
It's good. Difficulty is high, level design is varied and interesting, and it contains one of the very few good autoscroller stages in gaming.

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is not bad, just the only decent game with water levels as the main and only feature.
underrated genre.

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>>2803112
>just the only decent game with water levels as the main and only feature.

The Little Mermaid by Capcom on NES is actually quite good.

>>2803121
i guess you are right.

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>>2803112
I'll grant that Artdink games aren't for everyone, but I loved the heck out of Aquanaut's Holiday.

>>2803121
oh wow i remember that, yeah it was a fun game

>>2803126
Did you ever think that's why you can't get into it? I enjoy weed now and then, but Ecco requires precision and careful attention. I wouldn't want to play it stoned. Not everything is better when you're impaired.

>>2802832
>Is this game good?

Play it and find out.

Personally I liked the sequel better because of the music.

>>2802832
Mediocre at best.
I tried getting into it, but it just wouldn't click. The MC being some lame dolphin didn't help either.

>>2802978
Not with that attitude, dicksplasher.

>>2802832
Played it on the 3DS for the first time this year, always wanted to play it because it was in many games magazines in the 90s.
I liked it a lot, It is very difficult btw, and the character is not easy to control and move around.

beating the game took me like 13 hours according to the 3DS, a second playthrough would probably be much faster.

>>2803126

Shouldn't you be attending class at school now?

>>2803176

you're not fooling anyone

>>2802987
Main character is something found in a can of tuna.

Clues are cryptic as hell

Ecco turns like a slug and has a huge hit box. Taking damage from environmental obstacles happens too much because of these factors.

Easy to run out of air and get lost in the copy pasta caverns.

Sorry that history has proven your favored game to be nearly forgotten, archaic shit ;)

>>2803162
It's not a game for everyone, but I found exploring the networks of caves, dealing with the various nasties and trying not to drown was a lot of fun and quite a bit going on. Game goes to some pretty crazy places too.

>>2803159
What about it did you find monotonous? The levels are quite varied, you often face different obstacles as you make your way through.

>>2803159
>Ecco isn't a hard game, just an extremely monotonous one.

Says the guy who can't get into it. Stoners talking shit about things they don't know about. What else is new?

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>>2803191
>Main character is something found in a can of tuna.
I like that it's a game where you're not stuck as a human or humanoid alien again and has a control scheme you have to learn pretty fresh because nothing else is quite like it.

>Clues are cryptic as hell
I figured them all out when I was 15. Unless you have mental problems none of it is actually confusing.

>Ecco turns like a slug and has a huge hit box. Taking damage from environmental obstacles happens too much because of these factors.

This is all about getting used to the controls and skilled at the game. The whole game is designed around how Ecco controls, if you keep ramming into spikes because you swim too fast that's your problem.

>Sorry that history has proven your favored game to be nearly forgotten, archaic shit ;)

It has a pretty decent following, but I honestly don't care about the gaming world's reaction to it as a whole. I just love the game and am glad it exists. We got three excellent entries in the series and I didn't have to see it turn into a shambling parody of it's former self like Castlevania or Tomb Raider. So I'm content.

If you don't like it, I have no problem with that. More power to you, you probably like plenty of games I don't.

>ecco the dolphin fans being sensible and nice
>everyone else shitposting like they're on /v/

>>2803159
Hi, I'm a marijuana enthusiast.

>Weed will make you notice things like that

Please never say that again, you sound like a 14-year-old that just smoked out of his first bong.

On that note, play it sober; the monotony only comes from not knowing what you're doing. Plus, it's very exploration-based, so I can imagine not knowing where you're going can be detrimental.

This is not a game for ADD types. You need as much focus as you can possibly muster. Methamphetamine, perhaps?

>>2803191
>nearly forgotten
>for sale on the eShop

Good one

>>2803246
"Valid reasons"? "Too difficult" is not a valid reason.

Please share with the class.

>>2803246
I'm the big ecco fan around here, doing a lot of the talking and have shitted on no one at all. I think it's an amazing game, but it's also weird and certainly not going to appeal to everyone. If you don't like it, that's all well and good but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. Just a game you don't enjoy.

>>2803257
Fuck you, snort ketamine.

>>2803257
I replied to you earlier, I also like weed but Ecco isn't the sort of game I would want to play stoned. Especially for the first time. If that turns you off, or you don't like it then just move along to another game. Life is short and you'll never beat everything you want to anyways so why waste time on games you're not having fun with?

>>2803261
If a game's difficulty outweighs the fun factor, it becomes frustrating, meaning you don't enjoy it. That is not only a valid reason, but a fundamental piece of knowledge when it comes to proper game design.

>>2803272
I never denied it, I was pointing out that you sound like an underage retard when you say "drugs make you sensitive to your surroundings". No shit.

>>2803274
True as that may be, I wanna be the guy.

So not quite.

>>2803274
That could be said of any game that someone finds too tough. For someone who finds Castlevania a decent and fun challenge, they would call it a good game. Someone who isn't good at it and finds it frustrating wouldn't get enjoyment out of it and think it's a bad game.

Either way it's the same game. That's just what personal opinions are.

>>2802832
>54 posts
>22 posters
Nice shitposting

Honestly op it's a good game, but it's not for everyone. It's an adventure of a dolphin trying to save his friends from aliums and has a creepy vibe

>>2803257
lol kill yourself

>>2802841
>>2802854
>>2802862
>>2802875
>>2802959
>>2803191

Imagine being this mad and autistic over an old video game.

>>2803396
Word to the wise, doing a lot of drugs will mess with your brain. Even relatively weak ones like marijuana.

>>2803396
why are you replying to so many bait posts at once

Liked the first one.

Loved the second one.

Was a bit bored by the Dreamcast one but I didn't play it too long.

>>2803442

Dreamcast one sure is pretty.

>>2803448
Yeah I was amazed by the lagoon at the start back in 2000. I remember it being shown in game shops at the time.

>>2802860
Which e-celebs actually talked about how creepy Ecco was?

Boring and stupid as fuck. Why would I want to play as a dolphin? Unless these dolphins also come with some lasers or mutant gene, no thank you.

>>2803590
Trolling, retarded, or a combination of both?

>>2803590
>>2803598
That's some try hard trolling. But this is a dolphin that learns how to shoot sonar powerful enough to kill sharks, battles with prehistoric dino fish and eventually takes on an alien invasion and kills their queen.

Don't try it though, someone who writes with your level of intelligence wouldn't have a hope in hell of making it all the way through the game.

>>2803606
lol queer is mad as fuck, what you gonna do? pound my butthole until you pass out? yeah I bet you'd like that gayboy mmmmmmmmhhhmmmmmmm

>>2803598
You're inviting someone to fuck you and fill your ass with cum and then calling them gay? lol

>>2803613
Some potheads are only homosexual when they're high.

>>2803612
Slow day on grindr eh?

>>2803626
So if that makes me a fag, what does cuming from a lapdance from a sweaty fat man make you?

>>2803634
Straight as an arrow m8. I don't play Ecco the Dolphin

>>2803640
lol

>expect to read about dolphin games
>learn why we outlawed weed instead
I hope you all pass out while smoking and burn your house down. Also, enjoy that early onset Alzheimer's.

>>2803598
>>2803612
>>2803626
>>2803634
>>2803640
10/10 would play Ecco the Dolphin and grind boipussy with

>>2803685
Damn you're hella mad.

No.

Got lost in it and found the game highly repetitive and unfair.

>>2803913
vvvvvvv
>>2803839

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hi

>>2804121
Fuck that fucking thing.

Good music tho.

This is the funniest thread I've ever read on this board

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>>2803112
It's not /vr/ but play Aquaria on PC

>>2804154
You should go to /v/, tons of "fun" threads daily.

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>>2803257
>>2803126
Say, have you ever tried playing the Super Star Wars games? I wonder what your reaction would be to them.

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>>2803913
>fuck you, flipper boy... go finger some dolphin vagina at sea world.

Ecco is a good game. It has an interesting plot. The atmosphere is amazing, it has really good ambient music for a Mega Drive game. The controls are a bit awkward at first but you'll get used to them if you take your time. You explore deep underwater caverns but you run out of air which can be a real pain in the ass sometimes. There's a lot of puzzle solving and figuring out where you need to go. Not everyone will like it. You should give this game a try, even if you don't like it, because I've never played anything that's exactly like Ecco. Ecco 2 is good too, maybe even better than Ecco 1. Ecco Jr. is shit though, I can't believe they made that instead of a proper Ecco 3. The guy who created Ecco still wants to do Ecco 3 to this day but Sega won't let him.

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>>2805350
And don't forget that dolphin penises are both gigantic and prehensile!

>Dolphins: Rapists of the Sea

>>2805369
I really liked Defender of the Future, though it's a very different feeling game. I would love there to be another Ecco game, but I can't help feeling like Annunziata's just using Sega as an excuse. He could have started a real spiritual successor any time he wanted. So if it's because he doesn't have any real ideas on what to do with the game next, I'm glad it at least ended on a high note.

>>2805464
You mean, you shut off the game before trying to jump as high as possible.

Okay.

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>>2805484
Did you seriously look at the cover and think "this game is going to full of engrossing, high-intensity action"?

Go away already, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>2805540
Because you're a degenerate fuckstick with a malformed opinion. You just say "it's boring" without ever giving it a chance.

>i certainly thought there would be more to it than just jumping out the water and making a stupid fucking sonar noise.

Because you shut it off in the first five minutes.

Why did you even play it? There must have been some reason.

>>2805540
>i'd rather watch my turds swim down the toilet after flushing then play this retarded game.
Oh my gosh it's Youtube celebrity James Rolfe. Can I fuck your wife?

>>2805551
[There is, but you didn't find that out] Because...

Fixd

To much pressure. To much pressure. My dolphins gonna drown. AAAAhhhhh. freak out dance

>>2802832
Nightmares The Dolphin.

Game terrifies me. As a grown ass man i still cant play this fucking game and its probably the reason i'm bitch scared of water levels in video games. This or Tomb Raider 2 level you start in the water with the shark.

Seriously Fuck you..

Fuck you game i hate you i want you to die in a fire and burn to hell.

>>2805563
>that is malformed because you never gave it a chance

I'm not asking you to apologize.

>>2805568
Yes. Not as much as you mean to imply, of course. He came in here and said "I don't like it because it's boring", I said "try playing it longer". That's basically all that's been said here, you don't need to hyperbolize.

>>2805582
Whatever. Go stare at the sun, I'm sure that's much more entertaining.

>>2805594
That's the first I'm hearing of it; do YOU think I'm psychic? I was only assuming, so-rry.

>>2805595
Good one.

>>2805582
Where in the thread is there a valid opinion against it? Link the post please.

>>2805613
That's not me. Who's assuming now?

"It's boring" is not a valid opinion. It's an opinion, but it's also

>malformed

>>2805629
I am "dolphin boy" you fucking retard. A+

Nice sidestep.

>>2805636
It's story is one of the most original character pieces I've ever seen, and it explains it (well, not quite what YOU would call explaining, but I digress) in a series of short bursts of text and environment interaction. It lets you enjoy the story at your own pace, or not at all. It's entirely up to you. And the best part in my opinion, is the old trope of the silent protagonist, letting you place whatever emotions you want to onto your character allowing you to really care about the world you're exploring.

The gameplay is clever in how it slowly introduces you to the most clever integration of a context-sensitive action, your sonar. Originally, you start the game by mashing all of the buttons, and find one makes a loud noise and fires a "projectile" of sorts. Of course, since you have no clue how it works or what it does, you use it on everything. This experimentation is what slowly teaches you the basic rules of the game, and the stages are designed with this in mind. It doesn't just throw everything at you at once, otherwise you just get overwhelmed and quit (sound familiar?).

The music is perfect as it mirrors the cold darkness of the ocean, and gives notes of a mysterious and unsettling ambience. It's not loud and in-your-face, and it never had to be. Plus, it manages to be slow and soothing, without turning into an annoying drone.

Your turn.

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>>2802832
Does a mall baby love chili fries?

>If you know what cartoon I'm talking about without google then yes.

>>2805782
Not that faggot but man I could totally go for a tuna sandwich right about now.

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>>2805782
Okay, my turn!

>huge overstatement here...

It's my opinion.

>YOU WON'T!

So you agree then. Next.

>oh you mean i can control the character?

No, I mean you can give it a personal touch, like Freeman's Mind to hyperbolize. Nice comprehensive reading skills you got there.

>you're admitting the gameplay is slow
>this lack of entertaining gameplay is what makes it boring an unrewarding

>>2805494
And an equally good memory to boot.

>the abstract fortune cookie quotes it uses as a poor attempt at a tutorial feature are pretty useless.

You mean story. Observant as always.

>i'd already specified that simply talking about the atmosphere contributes nothing to the actual discussion here.

Maybe I did anyway because it's a valid point? I didn't just say "it has nice atmosphere", I explained _why_. Something you seem to be incapable of doing.

You know what the best part is, though? It took me 12 minutes to explain what took you 50, and you literally just copied my post and added snarky comments to it in a vain attempt at forming a cohesive argument.

Please enlighten me with a 4 paragraph post about why ecco IS boring so I can continue to prove YOU wrong.

>>2806038
Autism is difficult to live with.

>>2806038
I knew he was going to half-ass it, all burnout stoners do.

>>2805613
It's mostly been people saying the game literally makes you gay. If you see any criticism you think is actually valid, just link the post. How hard is that?

I didn't know a game like Ecco could generate this amount of shitposting.

It's an okay game with some nice ideas, but it's not for everyone. It's always been praised for the visuals, sound and overall atmosphere, and it's always been criticized for its difficulty, but it's not a bad game, it just isn't an excellent 10/10 either, then again, few games are, and at least Ecco is kind of unique.

>>2806178
Do it, or forever hold your peace.

Come on, you're not even trying to hide.

>>2806178
Holy shit you're still going on about stoners? It's been over a day let it go man.

>>2805782
This troll is trying so hard to derail this thread and only one person bought the bait. He's really trying.
>2/10 troll
>A+ for effort tho.

>>2806015
For the love of god man, stop feeding the troll.

>>2806178
I mentioned repeatedly that although I love the game, it's not for everyone and if you don't like it there's nothing wrong with that, just play something else.
>>2803201
>>2803262
>>2803268
None of which you replied to of course because you don't have valid criticisms, just a hatred of something you don't enjoy and everyone who does.

There's nothing wrong with not liking this or that video game, but your attitude about the whole situation is pathetic.

Okay but what's the better WELCOME TO THE MACHINE music?

Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdRf-IVFeOs

Sega CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIkzOSEykaE

>>2807135
I know, I think that guy's gone now but I haven't been around in a while so thought I'd just throw one more on the pile.

This is still an Ecco thread though and can be decent again. Some guy freaking out over how much he hates it doesn't really bother me though, it's kind of funny if anything. This is all just 4chan after all. But I do take your point and will feed him no more.

>>2807136
I like the Sega CD music, but it never felt like it fit Ecco to me somehow. The original soundtrack is about perfect.

>>2807142
I don't consider "this game is boring if I play it stoned" a valid criticism. If you do, that's our difference of opinion.

No one is telling anyone they have to play the game, or even like it.

>>2807142
You misunderstand. What I'm saying is that if his criticisms were valid, he would have had coherent responses to any of the linked posts. That he didn't is what illustrates that his points aren't valid.

I don't care if someone doesn't like Ecco the Dolphin, and if they have valid reasons why then that's great too. But saying it's boring and shit because he got too stoned before playing it and then spouting off about gay dolphin sex isn't a valid criticism.

>>2807135
Sorry. Fish too tasty.

>>2807153
>>2807159
And I have nothing against them at all. Perfectly fine with me.

If your reasons are.
>boring when stoned
>makes you gay for dolphin pussy

I will call you out for being pathetic.

>>2807169
>You are acting like a damn faggot right about now.

How so?

>>2807178
I don't follow.

I'm pointing out he has no valid criticisms for the game because it's fun to watch him flounder. When asked why he thinks the game is bad, the stoner dude spazes more and more.

>>2807159
Also, "No" is not a criticism. It can be someone's opinion, but it's not a criticism, valid or otherwise.

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>>2802932
worth it

>>2807187
And like I said, I'm fine with someone simply saying they don't like it. To quote myself
>I mentioned repeatedly that although I love the game, it's not for everyone and if you don't like it there's nothing wrong with that, just play something else.

However this is coming not from the OP but from here. >>2805582

He claims he's given valid opinions for why it's bad and I was asking him to point out where they are. "It's bad when I'm too stoned" and "dolphin games are for faggots" are not valid criticisms.

If there is a criticism someone thinks is genuinely valid, I am curious to see it pointed out. All it takes is clicking the post where the valid criticisms were actually laid out.

>>2807203
Welcome to 4chan. If I can't come here to mock stoners and make fun of people for passing off impotent rage as video game critique, then why be here at all?

>>2807142
It's not about implications, you need to substantiate your criticisms with personal observation. It's like looking at a painting and saying it's "boring". Maybe it is to you, but you haven't adequately explained why; that's all we're contesting here.

I'm ba~ack.

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>>2807208
I only made one post yesterday. The guy talking yesterday was some other dude. Anyways, I'll leave it here and go on my day. If the loser pot head wants to try and articulate why he thinks it's bad I'll come back and mock him some.

Seriously, I would love to come back and see one genuine and respectable criticism for the game. They certainly exist, but that guy is both too stupid and hasn't played it enough to understand what they are. So whatever he says will be funny.

Till then I'm gonna go do some more work on my prehensile dolphin dildo that I can't quite get to grip the way I want yet. Alas!

All this butt mad shitposting, the game is good, just play it for yourself, it's like a 5$ game

God tier game
would play again / 10

>>2802832

Yes.

>>2802847

Don't promote a thing you like by posting giant spoilers for it that'll make it harder for other people to like it.

>>2807430
>"mysterious atmosphere" just lead to confusion and eventual frustration with the repetitious game play.

I don't get why everyone says it has a mysterious atmosphere. Sure you don't know what's up at the beginning, but many games are like that. Maybe mysterious means you have to explore? What confused you in it? Getting lost underwater can be stressful, but your sonar is very handy for letting you figure out where to go.

I agree with the others though, as great as this game is it's sure not for everyone.

>>2807513
Lack of instructions? The manual tells you how to play and various dolphins and whales give you pointers. That's more than mario.

Isolation is sort of there, but again many games feel like that. I'll give you the music though, it is very sci fi. I think maybe mysterious just isn't quite the right word.

>>2807525
I respect your opinion fine. No problem here if you don't like it, I said myself it's not a game for everyone. I'm just asking you about it. If something was confusing I might be able to help...

>>2807530
>You seem to expect everyone to have the same exact experiences as yourself.
Excuse me? Here's my take on the game from like 20 minutes ago

>I agree with the others though, as great as this game is it's sure not for everyone.

How do you get from that, that I expect everyone to have the same experience as me? I've sad like three times now it's cool if you don't like it. I was just curious why and wondered when you said something about it becoming confusing if I could help. That was all, but if you don't like it then by all means don't waste your time on a game you don't like.

And I'm already married by the way. Not that it has anything to do with this at all.

>>2806178
Seth Rogens making a film about it

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>>2807585
>Better go really slow past this octupus Ecco, or he's going to take our weed!

>>2807539
That dude's a fucking stoner. Don't hold your breath waiting for logic from someone who fries their brain on a daily basis.

>>2807576
I only replied to this thread this afternoon... There's more than two people on 4chan you know.

>>2807585
LOL The stoner is the guy who finds it too hard and boring. This is only a game for people willing to think and play well. Not good for potheads at all.

>>2807592
Ahhhh! That explains a lot actually.

>>2807595
It sounds like you smoke too much if you're this paranoid.

>>2807619
I've never done it myself. All I really know is that heavy use can make you paranoid. My sister was bad into it for a while and it messed her up bad. If you're honestly convinced this whole thread is just you and one other person then I think it might be affecting you.

>>2807632
I don't even like alcohol so I especially don't want to try something stronger like marijuana. And can we be real for a minute? Forget Ecco the Dolphin, who cares about a video game. If you're really that convinced this is all just you and one person then I think you need help. I don't know much about weed, but I know it can certainly affect the brain. If not for you, please for your loved ones. My sister was like a different person when she was smoking up all the time and it was so painful.

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Ecco is one of those magical games. First level feels like indy hipster garbage. Second level feels like a weird kid's game. Third level is Dark Souls with drowning and then it only gets crazier from there.

Also this >>2804121 Fuck that thing. People say Tides of Time is easier but even just that thing is brutal. So good though!

>>2807428
It's not really a spoiler if the game is 20 years old & has been posted everywhere before

>>2807678
>marijuana
>stronger than alcohol

Sir, it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

What the fuck did your sister do that was so bad?

Hurr durr my sis used to smoke weed with her friends and barely talked to me hurrr. I mean, really affect her. If she went bad in school or something, changed her friends, that's what I mean.

>>2807678
>>2807784
marijuana acts totally different than alcohol, though.
speaking from personal experience i keep a lot more of upstairs functionality on alcohol, than I do on weed. at least when we're speak large amounts. (a lot of) weed makes it really hard to think clearly. alcohol doesn't hit me as hard in that area, even though it does have cerebral effects too.

>>2807784
She totaled our mother's car both with it in her system and two marijana cigarettes in her possession so the insurance company gave us the middle finger over it. Also lost her scholarship and fucked over her education. That was years ago and she's still horrible about it too. Claims she "wasn't that high" and it's bullshit she got busted for just two joints. Never apologized.

>>2807794
I'm sure they are different. I've never liked alcohol and never seen anything good from weed so I just steer clear.

>>2802832
I played the genesis version start to finish in one sitting for my stream not that long ago. Its pretty awful, just you wandering around until you find the crystal / figure out the solution to the current puzzle. Fuck that current puzzle, and the trial and error maze at the end too.

>>2807913
I was more replying to the "marijuana is so much better than alcohol"-memespouting stoner. Sure alcohol is way more taxing on the body. But I'd say weed is more taxing on the mind, if that makes sense. It sorta makes things spin in overdrive up there.

>>2808068
Stop bumping the thread then

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This could have been a good thread about Ecco.
Not even /v/ gets this bad. baka desu senpai.

AWWWW SHEEEEEIIT

http://web8.orcaserver.de/ecco/downloads/games/

How is the final level not trial and error?

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>>2807221
Here again, no replies and nothing else intelligent from the stoner guy is no surprise!

>>2808050
This is quite an impressive feat! Beating it all in one sitting is pretty impressive along, on your first go is great. I'd love to see the stream.

>>2809043
It sort of is. The key is to keep yourself as close to center screen as possible so when the movement shifts again you can see where you need to go and not get stuck and die. It's pretty challenging though and very hard to do in one go on your first time.

It's sort of a culmination of Ecco's style of challenge though. These games are all about maintaining your patience under pressure. You're dronwing all the time which makes you want to rush, but most of the game is designed so that rushing will get you killed. Especially compared to the bulk of the Genesis library which are arcade syle action games, Ecco is not that kind of game at all.


Which is why I tell people to play to level 3 and if they don't like that to stop, because it only gets more like the the further in you go. One of my favorite games of all time, easily. But was never going to appeal to everyone.

For anyone out there who does want the kind of natural environments of Ecco but in more of an arcade action game, I recommend Kolibri. A weird but fun hummingbird Shmup.

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>>2809130
He's gone, man. I probably told him off, since he refuses to associate himself to his previous posts anymore (I'd argue he's the one that started replying to you, though I have no way to prove that). Also I'm that guy.

>>2809138
Meh, I can never resist talking about Ecco. Even if it is with a druggie who's just mad it's not an action game.

>>2809627
I found a link to download the full game, there's even a version with .flac audio. Perfect chill-out music [spoilers]to get incredibly stoned to[/spoilers].

http://web8.orcaserver.de/ecco/downloads/games/

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>>2809639
I pretty much only play it on 3DS now. The M2 3D port is so amazing I don't think I'll ever play it another way. Every fish in a school is on a slightly different plane, it's amazing.

>>2809637
Far as I could tell reading the thread, all the troll won was getting laughed at for being a burnout. Either way the game still rocks. It's a 4chan thread, who cares if it was "good" lol

>>2809864
I can attest to that, actually. I've been in love with the 3D classics ever since they started releasing them, I'm going to buy them as long as they make them.

I wonder if we're going to get any "3D classics" Sega CD games. I would kill for a Snatcher port, though we could never be so lucky. They'd probably just release a Sonic CD port (which I wouldn't find all that disagreeable either).

Also I think he's referring to "engaging" a troll, which is stupid because it was on-topic and all he did was squirm around under my thumb. This "reply -> trold" shit needs to die already

I really have to try this again sometime, it seems like a game I'd like but I couldn't beat the first proper level. That combination of running out of air and having to go slow past the octopus fucks my shit up

I think the problem with Ecco was you wouldn't know where to go and you'd run out of O2. In that way it was a higher level difficulty than Sonic. It was more like Toe Jam n Earl I suppose, but harder.

I also like the Dreamcast / PS2 Ecco game. I love the soundtracks on all the Ecco games, Sega CD included.

>>2810029
>-the games involves going to Atlantis. i'll just leave it at that.

I hate how cynic we've came to be about works of fiction. Everything that's remotely about stuff like aliens or ancient civilizations gets trivialized and shat on by modern people because of memes.

No, I don't believe the Atlantis existed, or rather, I don't care, I just can enjoy it in a work of fiction and there's nothing wrong about it.
Same about aliens, they're fun in fiction and I couldn't care less if they actually exist or not.

What kind of fiction do modern humans unironically enjoy without being cynic about trivializing it, anyway? Zombies?

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what are peoples opinion on the dreamcast game?

>>2810161
Fuck off. That's the consensus on this whole shitty thread.

>>2810164
okay then

is this the vaporwave thread?

Eccojams kind of sucks desu senpai. Ive heard much better on the dream catalogue

>>2810187

Vaporwave you say?

>download a bunch of donna summers songs
>open GoldWave
>slow tempo
>google "80s anime" and "90s multimedia" pictures and make a random collage on photoshop

voilá! vaporwave a la cárte

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>be an aquatic mammal
>have the lung capacity of a human

I wanna be a graceful dolphin, stop making me go up for air, god dammit

>>2810161

fucking god tier

Great graphics, god tier soundtrack, and fucking sky tubes....of water

Highly highly recommend it

>>2807136
I've always liked the Mega Drive soundtrack better than the CD version.

>>2810029
git gud.

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>>2810029
It's awkward and frustrating because you're not used to it. These are old games, not all of them age gracefully. ResEvil. Get gud.

Uh huh, you don't like a sound effect. Okay.

The attack is perfectly accurate, you're the one that's missing.

There's air pockets strategically placed around the map, get gud.

It's a work of fiction.

Your only argument is that you suck too hard to progress, and that's not the game's fault. Smoke less weed.

>>2810187
It's proto-vapor. He literally invented it, it didn't have any real "sound" until vektroid came along.

>>2810308
>I can make lazy vaporwave
And nobody will listen to it. You need to put some level of effort if you want to make something compelling. Daniel Lopatin just got lucky.

>This whole thread

>>2810793
Okay, but I'm not OP.

But it's easier to dismiss arguments that refute them isn't it?
[spoilers]That wasn't 4 paragraphs, by the way[/spoilers]

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>>2810798
I admitted that though. It's an old game, but that doesn't mean it's no longer fun. Stop being mad over video games anon.

>It's awkward and frustrating because you're not used to it.
>one sound effect

"Trolling" doesn't even mean anything anymore. All you have to do now is spout some shit you don't actually believe, and claim you were "trolling" when someone tells you you're a moron

Pic related, you

>>2810805
Your only argument is that the controls are awkward. That is your only argument.

Your only retort is ad hominem side-stepping. You never even asserted the fact that you suck, because secretly you agree and you'll never admit it.

>>2810815
More ad hominem. As expected.

Think what you want, you're the one failing to challenge my assertions.

>>2810842
Oh look, your criticism revolves around you not substantiating your criticism with personal observation. Again.
>>2807219

So yes, I'm going to be incredibly stubborn until you can _explain_ why you personally believe the controls and story aren't to your taste.

It doesn't even have to be anything you believe in. "It's too twitchy, you have to be too precise, ambient music puts me to sleep, the story is unengaging" would have been acceptable, but you decided to go in circles about how "it's your opinion" without understanding what that meant in terms of our conversation.

No wonder you're getting so bothered about it.

>>2810889
Wow, I musta really rustled you something fierce.

Cry harder, kek
See you in the next thread.

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>Have you ever been so mad at video games that you saved 16 pictures of dolphins to your computer?

>>2810790
>And nobody will listen to it. You need to put some level of effort if you want to make something compelling. Daniel Lopatin just got lucky.

It's my belief that vaporwave is actually a meme thing, not a real music genre.
People care about about aesthetics and the names of the artists/albums/tracks than the music itself.

Sure, some of the music can be pretty nice, but it's because it's music that already exists, vaporwave only repackages said existing music. People wouldn't listen to vaporwave if it wasn't for the concept and the aesthetics, let's be honest here.
I think it's a meme that got out of hand.

Then again, I'd probably get mocked by teenagers who are into vaporwave because they don't take anything seriously anyway, everything is post-post-ironic for them lol so random!

>>2810029
Even though you deleted it I'll still prove you wrong. Ecco actually controls perfectly, there's just a steep learning curve you couldn't get over because you never tried learning when you weren't high on drugs.

If Ecco's controls weren't as tight as they are you wouldn't be able to overcome some of the game's tougher challenges like the Asterite, the long jump in City of Forever or the last level.

Same applies to your note about sonar.

As for the plot, it's a video game. No weirder than an Italian plummer being stuck in the mushroom kingdom or a hedgehog saving other rodents from a madman putting them in robots.

Go smoke more weed and don't try Ecco again. It's far too hard for someone as stupid as you are.

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>>2811002
>I'd probably get mocked by teenagers who are into vaporwave because they don't take anything seriously anyway

This is pretty much it. It's not supposed to be taken seriously, even though it presents itself as something serious. Maybe some people took it very seriously back in it's infancy, but it's very different now (considering it basically has it's own sub-genres now). It's essentially a contest to be the most pretentious while creating unsettling yet listenable drivel.

I personally think it's a lot like hip-hop culture in a way, using sampling to create derivative works. That's my opinion though.

>>2811021
I can still see most of his posts, I could post them if anyone's confused on what was said.

Though it's probably "my opinion stfu" so bear that in mind

>>2811029
Yeah they were there when I was reading the thread on my 3DS on the shitter, but I came here to reply and they were gone.

Either way his points are still hilariously bad and clearly by someone who barely played it. This gets funnier all the time.

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>>2811032
>being this mad over videogames

There wasn't even a [1], he actually saved like 16 photos of dolphins, 4 of dolphin genitalia.

>>2811038
>mad
lol
I'm not mad over anything. I think it's hilarious that there's a stoner who's too stupid to learn the game that keeps coming up with more and more ridiculous reasons why.

Also I was the one who started posting the dolphin cocks. >>2805397

This is 4chan, friend. Have fun with it!

>>2811068
Oh, not you. And I mean, he just started dumping pictures of dolphins after

>No wonder you're getting so bothered about it.

Which is basically admission of defeat, unless you're claiming those posts as yours. Regardless, as I mentioned earlier, he just sucks and would never admit to it. Shame we hit the bump limit, though. Maybe the next one won't have an invasion of idiot shitposters that need tending to.

You people disgust me.

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>>2811095
I posted that one dolphin pic I linked to, someone else did the edit. I was just saying I got the ball rolling apparently.

Either way, the burnout stoner who tried to play the game high and then sucked so much he got mad and came here to troll is pretty entertaining to wind up and watch flail.

>>2811113
What brought you to 4chan in the first place?

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>>2811029
>I personally think it's a lot like hip-hop culture in a way, using sampling to create derivative works. That's my opinion though.

Yeah but the difference is that hip hop culture started on the streets. Kids doing actual mixtapes (you know, with actual tapes), sampling from actual vinyls during live performances out in clubs on the ghettos.
Also there's a very distinct hip hop beat, hip hop is more of an outcome from the already existing electronic music scene (house, techno, sound system).

Vaporwave started on the internet and I don't think there's any definitive "vaporwave sound". They don't make their own distinct sound while only using samples as a decoration. Their music IS the samples. So it's not their music at all.
As I said, it's more about the aesthetics and concepts, not the music itself.

This is not even new, anyway.

There's an avant-garde band from Argentina, called Reynols and they were formed in the 90s. The band leader is the drummer and he's got downs syndrome.
They have edited their records on countries like Japan, Italy, Belgium, Canada, etc.

They released an album called ""Gordura Vegetal Hidrogenada"" (something like "Vegetal Hydrogenic Obesity") and according to them it consisted on "dematerialized music", basically it was just the package of the CD, but there was no actual CD inside.

Vaporwave kids aren't inventing anything new, really. They're just playing like kids, seeing who can be the most pretentious as you said, but what they're doing, their "post-post-ironism" has already been done decades before.

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>>2811113
Hello again :^)
>>2811115
Maybe, though he was posting stuff from greenpeace, dead dolphins and such. I'm pretty sure he was trying to be inflammatory.

I was actually surprised how much samefagging he was doing when he was accusing the both of us. Declaring himself the victor pre-emptively and the like.

>>2811121
>Their music IS the samples. So it's not their music at all.

That might be a valid point if the samples were just played front-to-back at normal speed. I'm sure you're aware this isn't the case. Eccojam's first track actually perfectly demonstrates this, as it creates various rhythms and beats from a single 15 second loop.

>but what they're doing, their "post-post-ironism" has already been done decades before.

And? What's wrong with that? You realise vaporwave was literally made to be completely "unoriginal", right?

>>2811131

I haven't listened to much vaporwave, haven't listened to eccojam. I only heard Floral Shoppe (or whatever) and some others because I got curious that they were using Sega Saturn images on their covers, but I found myself just listening to slowed down old music. I didn't find any original, distinctive rhythm or beats. I can also slowdown/speed up music I own, in fact, I've been doing it for a long time, just for me though, I never thought people would be interested on listening to slowed down music. I only did that because I wanted to listen to certain melodies or arrangements on certain songs more carefully, to be able to perform them myself on my instruments. It's very easy to do even with free programs like GoldWave.

But I still stand by my point that this doesn't matter, because people don't listen to vaporware because of the music, they do because of the concepts and aesthetics. And yes, they think they're being original. I get that vaporwave mocks stuff like corporativism and multimedia from the 90s, so basically they mock unoriginality, but they do think they're being original because of that. And nah, there's lots of avant-garde people that have been doing this even in the times these kids reference, the 80s and the 90s. They're not coming with any new concept, it's just pretentiousness and teenagers being naive.

>>2811126
Ahh I missed the dead dolphin stuff. But that sounds like him, you can follow his posts pretty easily through the whole thread and it's a pretty good treatise on why to be careful with drugs. His phase about the game making you gay for dolphin pussy was especially bizarre.

Still, whatever. It's 4chan, that's kind of what this place is here for. Let him rant and rave like an idiot. It's all good entertainment.

I wish I had something to add to the music discussion, but am pretty music ignorant. No clue what vaporware even is and never listen to music in my free time. I like the music in Ecco though. Especially Tubes of MEdusa in Tides of Time.

>>2811139
>people don't listen to vaporware because of the music
i do )':

I would suggest taking a look at this if you have the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpP0mXOlWM

I really feel you're under the impression that these people were trying to do something groundbreaking, but I would argue the opposite. It was a scene that was easily accessible at first so tons of people flooded their soundclouds with hastily chopped up shite without considering how good vaporwave might follow some form of structure, even if it's self-imposed.

And that stuff you heard about a "criticism of corporate america" really only applied to this hastily made noise, and I can agree that it's rather distasteful.

On the other hand, vaporwave was home to the creation of future funk, one of my favourite genres to listen to. So again, just saying "vaporwave" doesn't mean anything nowadays other than "chopped up, reworked samples". Or, at least that's how I interpret it.

Floral shoppe is okay, but it's so famous it's ironically almost passe.

>>2811146
If you like ambient music I suggest this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E

I feel like this whole thread is just one guy arguing with himself about bullshit that has nothing to do with video games. /vr/ is reaching /v/-levels of awfulness.

>>2811151
That doesn't make any sense. Care to explain your thinking?

>>2811148

Yeah I watched that video, I think someone posted it on /v/ or /mu, can't remember. That's where I got most of my information about vaporwave.


I just listened to the first track of eccojam out of curiosity, and I didn't hear any rhythm or beat, just a (kinda badly done) loop edit that sounded like a scratched disc.
I think it sounds more like dada/collage music.

Tomita did something similar (conceptually) in 1995

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KV4OYkLtok

just as an example, there's tons of artists that have been doing dada music, which basically consist on what Eccojam did, conceptually.

>>2811154
Dada music and plunderphonics are essentially different from vaporwave, as dada and plunderphonics tend to come from more than one source (and not use as much sampling), whereas vaporwave will stick with a smaller list of sources per song.

I suppose "rhythm/beat" is a bit of a misnomer, as the various beats are somewhat self-contained and are to be enjoyed by themselves, like listening to an album in one song if that makes sense.

Do you have more? That's pretty interesting stuff.

>>2811154
Oh shit, I forgot to mention. Daniel Lopatin never claimed to be making anything original, he said he just did it "for fun".

>>2811162
>come from more than one source (and not use as much sampling)

Hahahah I'm going to bed now

>>2811162

That's the impression I got from the Eccojam track anyway. The repetition and "scratched disc" effect, although I thought it was poorly executed.

Check out Yasunao Tone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElF5pb7sos8

ITT: Why doing too many drugs is baaad.

>>2810658
you forgot to mention is narrated by tom baker

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>>2812682
Also of note, it was written by semi famous sci fi author David Brin of the Uplift novels (which also contain intelligent dolphins) as well as the book The Postman which was turned into a terrible movie.

Defender of the Future feels quite a bit different from the first two games, you can really tell it was made by a different team. But I think it's also excellent. Also probably scarier than the Genesis games as well. Getting lost in a maze of 2D caves was horrific enough already.

Which does /vr/ think is better? Ecco 1 or Tides of Time?

I just noticed that this thread is on autosage already and it's not even at 200 posts. That troll must have seriously pissed off a mod with all his dead dolphin shit.

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>>2813272
The first feels better structured to me.
The second has too many hard parts, and the 3rd person view segments, and orbs and shit.
I play both with save states anyways, but even then the second is frustrating.
I like the oceans and dolphins from the future. It also feels like the ending zone is a lot less terrifying than the first with the Tube and then WttM.

>>2813343
I agree for the most part. I actually also like the look of Ecco's sprite in the first game a little more. Graphics overall are better in 2, but something about Ecco in the first game was cuter.

>>2813343
The 3D sections are pretty terrible. You have to memorize when exactly to jump in the air if you want to get them all and that's just bad game design.

>>2813284
I don't get it either. Never seen this happen to a thread before. Though never noticed.

>>2813284
Hahah yeah I noticed that around 150, maybe he got banned (we can only hope)

On that note, I think slower boards autosage around 150 anyway, so yeah

>>2813868
Most threads here autosage at 500. But OP was the guy doing all the trolling and he got banned for it, so it may well be this is part of what happens.