rest in peace, windows 98

>>2785040
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>>2785042
>>>/g/.

Go there if you want fuckkboise drooling over old ass OS's on the daily.

>>2785914
>/g/
Have you ever been to /g/? It's stallman's personal army and handphone shills. And they hate gaymes because loonix sucks at it.

>>2786891
/g/ is my secondary board mate.
Don't diss my crew yo.

Seriously though, they have a lot of 300+ threads of such topics, so it would be best for OP. Even /g/entoomen gamed in the 90's.


As you see, this thread has been dead for 12 + hours with 1 poster

>>2785914
>>2786896
>/g/ is my secondary board mate.
i'm guessing reddit is your primary

Windows 98 was a terrible OS with great retro PC games. Someone should fork Wine and focus solely on old versions of Windows.

>>2786896
I think the technology content that shows up here is way more satisfying than /g/ content. There all I usually see is consumer stuff and ironically people who actually know something tend to show up in threads with the "enterprisey" air the board hates so much: routers, home servers, computer networks.

I've seen people in /vr/ who must have ascended beyond the archmage class when it comes to electronics knowledge. So much fucking knowledge about old silicon, it's not even funny. I have so many threads saved, from earlier days.

I have fond memories of a more recent "lets make an SNES game" thread where this guy literally showed up, made a thread and programmed the shit out of a 100% original, homebrew .sfc ROM in handwritten assembly with source code and runnable game published to github . Everyone thought he was a ridiculous idea guy at first, but he just shut them all haters up, taught everyone by example when he literally walked them through the implementation of a game and even answered noob questions. Dude's basically an hero.

>feel nostalgia about 98
>try it again on a virtual machine to run an old game
>nope.jpg, 2min later uninstall it

I cant believe we were used to that piece of shit. I should have formatted like 80 times my first PC because that useless OS and his stupid DLL hell that everytime you uninstalled something it crashed your disk. Fuck anyone who feels nostalgia about computers before windows XP

>>2788741
Best I've seen was on /v/ years back some guy making a flash game on the spot with another guy doing the art anons suggested.

ended up being some 90's retro cheetah with exploding kneepads riding a skateboard that you could control.

kek

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>>2788793
>uninstall something it crashes the disk
What the hell kinda ghetto version of windows where you using?

I never had any issues that weren't caused by introducing new, dubious hardware. Where you not using SE?

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>>2789061
This is OT, but I'm mad at microshit for killing OS-tans. Ever since they made their official ones they have been boring and very generic compared to the fan-created ones. No longer anything like clumsy maids, or boobs == ram. No longer any jabs at the various shortcomings of the OSs etc.

>>2789071
the weeb demographic was so pathetic it wasn't even worth the money

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>>2789094
What I'm mad at is the new ones completely lacking any personality. The fan-created ones had personalities based on their respective OS's quirks and made for some nice nerd humor.

>>2789097
>humor
yeah if you're a shithead

>>2789112
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>>2788741
>"lets make an SNES game"
Post sauce. I didn't know he actually completed it?

windows 95-2000 were the best looking OSs

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>>2785040
good riddance Tbh

>>2786891
>It's stallman's personal army
If only.

>>2789165
Well I'm not sure, either. I was in the first thread and he was making some serious progress. I ran the early builds but I remember seeing I don't know how many follow up threads on the board and many great looking screenshots.

https://warosu.org/vr/thread/2447092
>>2447092

>>2789165
Github here:

https://github.com/gewballs/graviton

Last commit like 2 months ago.

>he likes DOS to exist under his operating system

Kek.

>>2789202
>>2789208
Meh. It's just a tech demo more than a real game. Now all you can do is assplode yourself, punch air(because there's nothing to punch), and change the gravity.
>>2789226
Unless it's upgraded from Win95(with DOS installed) or installed in DOS 6.*, there's no real DOS under Win98 in standard installations.

Are you new?

>>2789172
^THIS. DIE, DIE, DIE, DIE, DIE AND ROT IN HELL, WINDOWS 9X.

>>2789061
I used SE, Lord I did use SE. It crashed. And crashed. And crashed some more.

I used it until I couldn't anymore due to hardware compatibility.

>>2789061

you clearly never used any windows pre-2000 because you would knew in 98-98SE the only thing you could do was install but never uninstall because 80% of the time you will get some DLL file deleted or/and overwrited. Or you probably were too young and the only thing you did was play videogames.

>>2790717
Like, 90% of installs had the option to leave .dll files alone when uninstalling.

>>2789112

What you are, is a meanie.

Take a long look at yourself man

No, I don't miss W98. I can feel nostalgia for games that I played on it, but not so much the OS itself.

>>2791325
Modern devs still do that shit. Except they overwrite your DLLs during install too?

But with broadband interwebz these days, finding and replacing/repairing DLLs is a minor problem.

>>2792119
I don't remember finding DLLs being hard back in 1999 either, but then again I did have access to several Windows 98 and 98SE discs, and had a CD or two that were full of common/necessary DLLs, plus I was pretty good at DOS commands, so even if I did SOMEHOW fuck my install I could usually fix it still.

But yeah, these days all I need to do is type dllname.dll into google and it instantly pops up.

>>2790485
so should I uninstall win98se, install win95+dos, and then upgrade it to win98 (and then se)?

>>2791325

>90% of installs had the option to leave .dll files alone when uninstalling.

more like 50% or less.

>>2792119

Now exists glorious svchost.exe, who is the reason why Windows 7 is so stable.

>>2792465
90% may have been an exaggeration, but at least 70% had the option to leave DLLs in place, and 10% had the option to choose each individual file you wanted to delete.

>>2792459
No. If you're hell bent on doing something just install the latest version of DOS then install Windows 98SE.

>>2790485
Yes there is, that's how the damn thing works. Windows is just layered on top of dos. They only stopped doing this when the NT kernel was introduced.

>>2792459
Im sure your DOS games work fine don't they? Proves the guy is full of shit.

>>2792459
Yeah DOS stuff runs fine on my standard 98se install.

Luckily most windows 95 and 98 games work on xp

>>2789172
>install shitty drivers
>hotgirls-100-of-porn.exe
>delets folders instead of proper uninstall
why is my OS so unstable REEEEEE

>>2793043
My favorite are the people who just delete the shortcut.

>>2793043
un huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHxj-47csUU

>>2790717
Sorry, my memory's a little fuzzy. I did use windows 98SE all the way up into 2008 as my main machine, and it's still under my desk, but there was a reason I had a bi-annual ritual of wiping the drive and installing clean...

Windows 98 isn't old its the hottest new software for old people

>>2789172
Aye. NT4 and 2000 are the real nostalgia OSes.

did something happen to windows 98 recently? i thought support ended years ago

>>2794184
Nine fucking years ago.
>>2794127
Guy who has issues with his grandma for beating him when he was 5.

>>2794184
Yeah, vaporwave happened and then a bunch of people were like "oh yeah, I used that." Now we have threads like this.

>>2792751
I know of some Disney games that are incompatible with XP. Also a lot of Windows 9x games run too fast or do like 50% CPU usage.

And I also know that Garfield Caught In The Act doesn't work correctly on XP (it will run but you can't go into full screen mode). But that's actually not even a Windows 9x game, but a Windows 3.x one.

>>2794198
>Disney games

>>2794198
A lot of games from that era won't work right with modern CPUs because of the way the "random" events work. Take Leisure Suit Larry (I want to say 3) for example. On modern CPUs the workout sequence would be impossible.

>>2794202
>I wasn't 7 years old once

>>2793782
compared with how much shit he gets, Bill is actually a pretty cool guy.

>>2792502
>>2792534

I've not yet actually run any DOS games on it, I don't have a 5.25" floppy drive or I'd have already installed M&M3.

>>2794312
>download game from abandonware site
>burn to CD
Profit.

>>2794319
That's a troll you're replying to. I remember him. He said he had original M&M3 floppies and complained he couldn't install them. Also couldn't seem to understand that he could just get the game on the computer like you said.

>>2794327
Is it so wrong to want the novelty of actually using old hardware?

>>2792491
No, it does not have a full version of DOS in Win 95 or 98. Don't believe me? Do a clean install with a Win95 ISO. The ISO will not have all tools and programs found in a full version of DOS(e.g. DOS version 6.22). The version of DOS installed by default in Win95 is more like a nerfed DOS 3.0. If you check the version, it will say it's version 4.XX.XXX, but it wont't even have the tools found in the real version 4 of DOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS#Versions

>>2792534
How new are you?

Most games can't detect the sound chip in Win95/98 rigs because it's not a real soundblaster. You'll need VDMSound or just run DOSBox if the CPU is at least a Pentium III.

You're full of shit, hipster newbie.

>>2794337
It's not, but it sure attracts hipsters and morons who probably NEVER used the original 90s hardware and software in the first place, and keeps talking out of their ass.

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>>2794337
and since I'm incensed by your comments, here's the game, picked it up at a store years ago and have wanted to play it proper ever since.

Look at those pristine disks in their paper sleeves. If that doesn't get you excited to read some data, then I don't know what kind of person you are, but I'll have nothing to do with you, thanks much.

>>2794343
wat
this isn't true at all
Win9x/ME all have DOS that's compatible with 6.22 - often referred to as DOS 7/7.1/8? (might lack some tools but the actual OS is identical, except for LFN support)

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They could sacrifice myself for this, but i like to putting any game on my old PC. Unfortunately, I have no way to transfer files (USB, CD-ROM, floppy etc). My only option is if any miraculous way to download and transfer, from Windows 10 to Windows 98 via network cable.

Please don't hit me! :(

>>2794353
It's not a fully functional OS with all standard drivers and tools included unless you installed the retail versions of DOS first(DOS 6.22 and earlier). You said it yourself, autist.

>>2794356
how does one transfer files with a network cable?

>>2794356

>Destiny wallpaper

And now you must burn.

>>2794364
through whatever file transfer system you could find that worked from Win10 to Win98 I guess.

>>2794368
sorry, is my brother laptop.

>>2794356
you should get yourself a CD drive, mate. They're good cup holders.

>>2794356
If your Win98 rig can connect to a router, it should be able to transfers files to any computer connected to the router, unless it's really shitty old router that doesn't allow that.

>>2794348
>Most games can't detect the sound chip in Win95/98 rigs because it's not a real soundblaster

That's not completely true. Most Windows 9x boxes (and I've used them) had onboard audio which is more-or-less SB16-compatible, but it runs on the PCI bus and cannot be accessed from real mode. If you run a DOS game within Windows of course you can use the sound because Windows will just pass it through to the onboard audio, but you can't get sound from a DOS game in real mode unless a physical ISA sound card with DOS drivers is used.

>>2794357
>Windows 95 is released, launching the Windows 9x era. It comes with an MS-DOS -like bootloader
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_DOS_operating_systems#1995.E2.80.932000:_Windows_9x_era

An overglorified bootloader is not what I call an OS.

>>2794348
That's why I use an aureal vortex, has great dos support.

>>2794381
http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=22046&sid=66ccb1abd33d29cdd8fbad772463df7b

You're talking about an era full of soundblaster clones, and made in china chips, even after Creative went on a lawsuit spree to shut down all clones. You're just lucky to get a 100% compatible soundchip or card.

>>2794393
>Poor b8

The DOS included with Windows 9x is standalone and can operate by itself, but it's missing most of the utilities provided with earlier versions because they were obsolete/unnecessary.

>>2794352
I think you're samefagging the wrong person.

>>2794395
There's lots of them but generally if it's an ISA card, it should be DOS-compatible.

One other issue is that the motherboard can't be anything later than a Pentium II because they phased out actual hardware ISA slots and just piggybacked them on the PCI bus. The ISA slots on P3 boards lack hardware DMA so won't work with sound cards.

PCI sound cards can't be used with DOS games in real mode at all for the above-mentioned reasons, but also PCI variants of the SoundBlaster just emulate the YM3812 chip while ISA models had a real one on them for Adlib compatibility (the emulation on PCI cards sounds "off").

>>2794381
>If you run a DOS game within Windows of course you can use the sound because Windows will just pass it through to the onboard audio

I used to do this because I had a Dell Pentium box with 98SE and only the onboard audio. DOS games that used the sound card had to be run from within Windows. Most of them worked fine and I rarely had problems other than Bubble Bobble which would slow to like 2 fps for some reason.

>>2794403
By Pentium II, sound cards are already being replaced with intergrated chips, and most gamers don't care about the sound as much as muh 3D.

VDMsound is still the easiest way to run old dos games on those machines. And non-3D dos games can run on DOSBox with a PII just fine.

>>2794381
There were a few dilemmas to this approach, namely that ISA sound cards were obsolete by the late 90s and you generally couldn't get a Windows 9x driver for them, only older Windows 3.x drivers which were crash-prone. PCI sound cards were current at the time and had proper Windows 9x drivers, but then you sacrificed DOS compatibility.

>>2794412
PCI aureal vortex's can work in real mode. Instructions from its readme:
http://pastebin.com/thVfcBqq

>>2794398
I responded to myself since it was meant as a continuation of that post. No idea who the other guy is, I have no reason to rag on myself for what I want to do with my retro stuff.

>>2794356
there are usb mass storage drivers for win 98 if your motherboard have a usb connector

>>2788793
Then you don't know what you're doing. I started using PC's when DOS & Windows 3.11 were the standard, so things like Win98 are just familiar and not a challenge at all. There's so many differences between any VM and real hardware for compatibliity that I'm not surprised you got frustrated. It was most likely due to the emulated (or lack thereof) VGA support in the VM host and it's poor SoundBlaster support. VMWare and especially Virtualbox are junk for running Win98 & DOS games.

Building a retro box has been popular for many years now and is a really good experience. But you must be mindful of compatibility with video cards and sound cards, try to build something that was roughly period accurate (i.e. use hardware and drivers that would have been used in combination with your specific favorite game).

>>2794379
Win98 SMB compatibility is very poor. Networking a Win98 box to a 7/8/10 box for file sharing may require disabling HomeGroup and turning on 40-bit encryption support to support the older LanManager/CIFS versions.

Sometimes using FTP is a better alternative since many 9x FTP clients exist and getting a simple FTP server running can be as much or less work.

Also Win98 didn't support high speed networks and you have to do some reg/network tweaks to get good transfer rates.

>>2794381
Almost all PCI soundchips required a DDMA/SIRQ access to make the emulated soundblaster portions of the chip be accessible across the PCI bus in real mode. Usually this was a TSR executable.

Ensoniq had good, but not perfect real mode support and many revisions of the Audio PCI chipset were used in onboard audio. The only thing it didn't do well was real mode without EMM386. And games that used EMS memory.

The only cards I can remember that didn't need a TSR were the Yamaha YMF 724 (& similar). But that depended on your board's support for SBLINK.

TL:DR - Get an ISA card.

>>2794352
Get a 5.25 to USB adapter and STFU.

>>2794839
Windows 98 USB support is flakey and you would also need to format the flash drive as FAT32 to be able to access it.

>>2794998
>The only thing it didn't do well was real mode without EMM386. And games that used EMS memory.

Welp, so much for LucasArts games because their CD titles all used EMS to store a sound buffer.

>>2795031
The only one that exists is expensive, has limitations, and may not work at all with some drives.

I've been wishing for a true 5.25 external usb drive for years, like the 3.5 I have.

>>2794364
FTP, HTTP, WebDAV, Samba, etc.
In all honesty, using a light linux distro with support for that and dropping the files in the windows partition would be the best option.

>>2789071
>OS-tans
Does anyone have that comic about christmas with the OS-tans George W Bush and Pedobear? It was in some kind of archive in 4chan last time I checked

>>2794381
>That's not completely true. Most Windows 9x boxes (and I've used them) had onboard audio which is more-or-less SB16-compatible, but it runs on the PCI bus and cannot be accessed from real mode

From a purely hardware standpoint, there's no reason a DOS program can't access PCI sound cards. It's more a matter of there being no drivers for them.

>>2796894
I'm sorry that you're an idiot: http://www.deviceside.com/ available for like $50

>>2800293
More like $60 ($55 + $5 shipping) Yeah that's super cheap for a little adapter that has many limitations and only works with some drives.

I assume you've bought one and it works perfectly. That's cool.