Which dropped feature hurt the most?

>>33541944
Without a doubt Super Training
I miss the friend screen from X/Y, too

>>33541944
Gen 6 online and super training because of reset bags.

>>33541944
PSS > Challenge Mode > DexNav > VS Seeker > Battle Frontier >>> Super Training >>>>>> Following Pokemon

>>33541944
PSS includes O-Powers right?

That

>>33541944
Easy Mode

When X/Y got released I thought PSS and Super Training would be the standard for each subsequent release

What could have been

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ALL OF THEM
I MISS ALL OF THEM
IT HURTS

>>33541968
Can you get anything worse than this?

>>33541944
Since I missed that game, and I always hear everyone talking about the "Challenge Mode," can someone tell me what the "Easy Mode" actually did in-game?

>>33541960
You can still reset the EVs with berries which are super easy to farm on the Pelago.

>>33541956
Sos chains are faster thought

>>33541983
Eeeh, maji?!?

>>33541944
I miss the PSS and Dexnav the most, these features made everything so much more convenient.

>>33541997
Dumbed down the levels and AI of trainers.

>>33542006
Only because the new EV mechanics weren't in the same games as hordes.

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>>33541944
Without a doubt, dexnav
>"Look at the eggmove on that croc! I'm gonna poke it!"

>>33541944
Pss and dexnav.

>>33542006
Hordes with the upgraded power items would be so much quicker, especially if they had routes guaranteed to give you a certain EV like they did in ORAS.

>>33541944
Vs seaker

>>33541944
Dexnav

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>>33541944
Good level design

>>33541944
PSS/Dexnav

All of them

>>33541944
Why is it that whenever they come up with a great new feature they just ditch it?
Any halfway competent dev would have following Pokemon, difficulty levels, the vs seeker, a battle frontier, and dexnav in every single game after they were introduced. Instead we'll be lucky if we get a rehashed version of just one or two of those things in Gen 8.

>>33541944
PWT

>>33541968
dis

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Am fucking being trolled Right Now? Super Training is still in the game bros.

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>>33541944
Frontier by a very long shot

I spend literal hundreds of hours between the Emerald and Platinum-HGSS one

>>33541956
Super training wasn't even the best method in Gen 6

>>33541956
Super training was a useless feature, it doesn't hurt not being there in the slightest.

No one in their right mind is going to take an hour to EV train one Pokémon when they could go to hordes and be done with an entire team AND have it brought up to Level 50 at least in the same amount of time with only 15 minutes having been put into the EV training.

For competitive, Hordes were specifically set up for EV training - you could call them 100% of the time with Honey or Sweet Scent and only the rare ones generally didn't match up with the others like Electrike/Wingull that both give Spd on Route 118 with the rare Kecleon who gives SpD. Then you had things like Whismur in Rusturf Tunnel for HP, Aron in Victory Road for Def, and Oddish on Route 119 for SpA.

Same applied to Kalos as well though OR/AS was a little more streamlined showing us they clearly intended it to be used that way.

As for casuals the thing was entirely useless. Nothing in game requires anything more than the EVs you get during the story. In fact you don't even really need those.

Why they bothered wasting time on thinking up and programming/implementing ST is beyond me and anyone else who isn't a casual newb or noob (AKA people who don't know better because they're either new or just retarded and refuse to learn) because it was worthless.

It couldn't even tell you what EVs you had without wasting 5 minutes hitting a damn white bag to reset them so it's not like it was really any more useful than the Y stat screen in Gen 7.

Difficulty settings, followed by Frontier, and then finally Dexnav.

>>33543430
God I hate autists

>>33541944
Frontier and VS Seeker. Getting rid of objectively good ways to extend the life of the game is inexcusable.

>>33541944
Frontier, though all of them and more were damaging to an extent.

>>33542363
They think people don't have time for full games and thus make their rendition of shitty mobile games.

Not realizing the obvious fact that NO ONE is buying a dedicated game platform and then buying a full price game to get mobile garbage. The obvious fact that people spend so much time playing mobile garbage because they happen to have a phone. They didn't go out and purchase said phone to play games and are therefore obviously going to be less concerned with the game content.

It's fucking asinine and they need to stop it. And then bring back every single feature they've removed.

>>33543449
You mean people who aren't casuals like yourself and actually play the games they play as if they're competent.

I don't mind being better than you, kiddo.

>>33542363
In what world do you live in where every game brings back every feature from every previous game?

>>33541944
REMOVED FEATURES OFFICIAL POWER RANKING:

1. Battle Factory (fuck the frontier, rental pokemon is where it's at)
2. Contests and Poffin making (I miss finding a good use for shitty cutemons)
3. PSS (it was just perfect)

POWER GAP

4. Difficulty settings (it's still an easy game who cares)
5. Dexnav (never used it but it was a nice alternative to breeding I guess...?)

POWER GAP

9000001. Super Training (takes stupid long compared to hordes/SOS and it breaks the game by letting you minmax all your mons as soon as you get them)
9000000000000000001. Following Pokemon (seriously who cares lmao)

Following Pokemon is the only worthwhile thing on there.

imagine a pokemon game with all those features. man fuck gamefreak.

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>>33542301
This

>>33543584
>cherrypicking one tiny area that's obviously not meant for exploration

>>33541944
dexnav was so fun

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>>33543609
>only one area is shit in SM

>>33543625
That doesn't make the cherrypicking any less retarded

>Super Training was the most useful
>Battle Frontier was the most stuff to do/fun
>Contests (Gen3/4) were the best nonbattle noncosmetic content ("muh random" complaint means you just sucked at it. We've all seen random cheating the random odds at Maison.)
>Following Pokémon was the best cosmetic
Everything else didn't do much or still remains.

Though the VSeeker was pretty nice too.

>>33543474
Holy shit, could you please remove yourself from this earth?

>>33543430
I liked the minigame though

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>>33543637
>look at all this amazing exploring I get to do
Fuck off faggot

>>33543474
>I'm better at a children's video game than you are
>kiddo
Jesus fucking chist why haven't you killed yourself yet

>>33543658
>Dexnav didn't do much

>>33543730
Where did I say anything of the like? The little ultra space area is still a dumb example to use as it can hardly be considered an actual area

>>33543784
Every single other point in the game illustrates sun and moon's shit level design. Please anon try to keep up.

>>33543730
>>33543794
You forgot to mention, diving being removed despite the fact that it's based of a tropical region and the game before it successfully implemented it

>>33543794
No, you need to keep up. No one said SM had good or bad level design, just that the image used to make the point was retarded.

>>33543831
That's exclusively what we're saying, retard. Does everybody need to to spell shit out in black and white for you?

>>33543831
That level was designed wasn't it? How is that a retarded example?

>>33541944
PSS > Dexnav > VS. Seeker > Battle Frontier >>>>> Challenge Mode > Super Training >>>>>>>>>> Following Pokemon

>>33542006
>>33543142
>>33543430

>you're not allowed to like a feature because it's not as efficient as my autistic methods

Fuck off, it was fun little minigame and you didn't have to autistically search for specific Pokemon or look up what Pokemon gives out what IVs and sit there battling over and over. At least super training gave you something different to do.

>>33543817
but mostly despite the fact that you don't have to waste a moveslot on it.
Pokeride had so much potential and of course i expect GF to immediately remove it next gen instead of improving on it

Pokeathlon and Join Avenue (Fesitval Plaza is a shitty knockoff)

>>33541944
> Gen 4 Frontier

> Not Master Race 7 event Gen 3

But seriously; Frontier.

>>33543430
>Super training was a useless feature, it doesn't hurt not being there in the slightest

All "extra" features in Pokemon are useless, so I suppose it's ok for GF to remove all of them.

>>33543445
You mean postgame only [Unless you had a friend with another version] difficulty settings which only worked on a few fights?

If it was expanded on then yes; but as it is they were a dumpster fire.

>>33544221
Super Training was also good for precise EV training, like you make the bulk of it with hordes and finish with one or two SP.

Following Pokemon

I miss having the illusion of friends

>>33541944
Tie between following pokemon and dexnav

>>33544269
It's not that difficult to finish a battle take off the power item and get those 2 or so EVs you need. Just a little bit of thinking and you don't need Super Training.

Really the most useful thing Super Training did was letting you see your party on the bottom screen while collecting eggs.

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>>33543730
>catch a bus to Hokulani Observatory
>huh, I wonder how this will play out
>no actual cutscene of the journey
>shit, I already know I won't be able to retread that distance on foot, what did I think I was playing, EarthBound?
>wait, you *can* walk down the mountain path?!
>it doesn't lead all the way down

>>33543142
It was useful for EVsing or partially EVsing team pokémon in the main game though.

>>33541944
RIP secret bases.

>>33544685

>power items

And you can only get those from BP shops. And guess what you need to get BP? EV trained Pokemon.

>>33541968
This man has it right

>>33543430
>>33543474
pssh nothin personel

Following Pokemon and Vs Seeker. Also desu the underground even tho otherwise I don't like Sinnoh

>>33541968
PSS > Challenge Mode > DexNav > Pokéradar > BF > ST > VS seeker > Following Pokémon

>>33543449

shut up casual, being knowledgeable and passionate about something is not autism and you know it it. if anything your "lol why not just smash your head on a wall instead of thinking" attitude is much worse and disgusting.

>>33541983
what a faggot

>>33543684
>>33543754
>>33545286

>lets discuss a thing
>provide better arguments
>GEEZ NOTHING PEHSONNEL, AT LEAST IM NOT AN AUTIST, WOW KILL YOURSELF, CHILDRENS GAME WHY TAKE SERIOUSLY MAN.

the asshurt is of immense proportions.

Frontier = Challenge Mode = Super Training > PSS > VS Seeker > Dex Nav > Following Pokemon

>>33545322

>defending removal of features people liked

Kill yourself

>>33543142
I used both methods.

For example, if I wanted 252 ATK 252 SPE 4 HP, I would horde train ATK (Mt. Pyre) and SPE (Route 104) and then do one super training level 2 to get 6 HP EVs. Which is a little faster than flying to Verdanturf and battling Whismur.

Also, if you want EV spreads that don't max out or use multiples of 10, then it's best to add in some Super Training.

For example, my Amoonguss is 248 HP, 168 DEF, 92 SpD. The easiest way to get that in my opinion is 5 Whismur horde battles (with Pokérus and Power Items), 3 Sandshrew horde battles + 1 more Sandshrew, Super Training Level 2 for Defense, and 2 Swablu horde battles.

Everybody saying they don't care about following pokemon, but I liked and I prefer a Pokemon game with than without this feature.

>>33545367

>liking useless features

kill yourself

>>33544221
>>33543723
I refuse to believe anyone saying they miss Super Training or that it was "fun" ever delved deep into competitive battling.
It is perhaps fun to do all the missions once but after that there is nothing fun about repeating the process over and over again with nothing changing. Especially when other methods like hordes outclassed it by leagues in terms of efficiency.

>>33545487
>I don't like this one feature so I must suck the enjoyment of it out of anyone who does
>I'm not an edgy autist
Pick one

>>33541944
PSS and Super Training.

I see the appeal of difficulty settings, sure. But the ones I mentioned were basic quality of life tweaks long overdue.

Following Pokémon was, is, and forever will be useless. I don't want it back but would be okay with it as an option--like what Pokémon Sage did.

>>33545380
Why would you not just put the HP Power Item on your mon and fight something that gives the stat you just maxed?

Reminder following pokemon is a shitty feature and USUM will have it. A shitty game with shitty features.

>>33545660
That could work for maxed stats. But not sure it's any faster.

>>33545322
>Better arguments entail feeling superior about how well you can finish a children's video game, with using the least amount of features, not the entertainment value of the game
You must be really proud about becoming a pokemon master anon.

>>33541956
First post, worst post

>>33542301
Man I really don't give gen 5 enough credit. Wasn't a big fan of the zooming in and out of pixels, but the game was that sweet spot of beautiful scenery while maintaining actual level design. This really tapered out in gen 6, and 7 is just a long series of cutscenes with some gameplay tossed in.

>>33541944
Following Pokemon was a neat addition that helped you get immersed into the world. The Pokemon games are never very immersive to begin with though, so it may feel useless to some people, but I thought it was nice.

Super Training is useless considering regular EV training was extremely easy in XY/ORAS, and much faster, too. Reset bags were nice, but you can still reset them with berries. Though they're much more inconvenient, I agree.

Challenge Mode and Battle Frontier both fit the same itch for a more challenging game, the first for the main story and the latter for post-game. I'd say Battle Frontier is the best out of the two due to the bigger variety of game modes, but the challenge in the main story is appreciated, too.

PSS was definitely one of the most convenient additions to the game. It avoids you taking the time to go to a Pokemon Center, plus it has features like Wonder Trade, GTS and O-Powers already incorporated.

VS Seeker helped a lot with grinding.

DexNav was also a neat addition but it also felt useless considering you can just breed the Pokemon you want and get rare Pokemon from WT/GTS.

I'd say PSS was definitely the one that hurts most, followed by the Battle Frontier/Challenge Mode, VS Seeker afterwards, Following Pokemon/Dexnav/ Super Training all in last place.

>>33541968
FUCKING THIS

I don't care that it had no practical value, the removal of following 'mons hurt the worst.

>>33541944
Pokemon following you.

I don't care I loved being able to turn around and have my Pokemon react to the enviorment or find stuff for me, it was cute.

Following pokemon, too bad it ain't happening

Game immersion > Shitty minigame nobody gives a shit about

>>33541944
Walking pokemon and frontier are the correct options
Also team photos in hg/ss

>>33541944
Dex Nav was such a great idea. It made collecting pokemon fun. And the small accomplishment of completing an area was satisfying.

Where is the PokeAthlon?

>>33541944
for me (not that I care too much) the pokemon following me. Only because the rest was useless.

The PSS was cool but only made shit easier.

>>33541968
PWT=BF>PSS>CM>DexNav>Whatever the shit in FRLG was where you could get additional Info on characters>>>>>Super Training>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Following Pokemon


As someone who doesn´t play online, because I don´t know how to make a decent team and especially now, where I am afraid because of bans. I really want to have some BF. At best like Emerald where they acted as badges, because I never bothered playing this because I didn´t wanted to breed.

They give us the games with the easiest methods to make CP viable team but then just throw us dueltower2.0

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>>33541944

Easily PSS

Kalos was trash but PSS was the best damn thing they ever did for online pokemon and now it's gone and I'm sad

>>33545297
Sure there's nothing wrong with it, but there is with looking down on people who don't share your passion, especially when the subject is a literal children's video game.

>>33541944
Pokemon amie on the switch games.

>>33541944
PSS was fucking amazing. It was just a no nonsense online menu and it was perfect.

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(a real) Battle Frontier > Following Pokemon > DexNav > The Underground > VS Seeker > Contests (ORAS not DPPt) > Challenge Mode > PSS > Super Training

With Poke Pelego there's no need for Super Training. Also SOS chaining/Horde Battles are/were so much better and less likely to give you carpel tunnel.

I want a Battle Frontier that has Emerald's Pike, Pyramid, Palace, and Factory. Platinum's Arcade, and like a hybrid of the Battle Tree and Black and White 2's Pokemon World Tournament. I spent at least 300 hours in Emerald's Battle Frontier in my teens because of how fun and diverse it was. Getting all the fucking gold symbols is one of my favorite memories. (Especially Palace and Pike)

Also seeing how much people dislike having their pokemon follow them maybe make it an optional feature?

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I miss Seasons

>>33542437
It's not in Sun & Moon sir. Even though I kind of wish it was.

>>33541944
In order from "I care the most" to "don't care much"
>DexNav
>VS Seeker
>Following Pokemon
>Easy/Challenge Mode
>PSS
>Battle Frontier
>Super Training

>>33551675
this is bait

Now that they've switched to 3D they won't be able to do following Pokemon justice unless they just do certain Pokemon. Sprites left a lot to the imagination but SM's style is almost entirely proportionally accurate.

>>33541944
Friend Safari wasn't bad for finding good dittos.

Does the Battle Resort count as a feature? Having an endless egg loop with a day care along the way actually made me want to breed in gen 6.

>>33541944
>forgetting Pokeathlon
That and the PSS.

>>33541968
THIS!

I don't get why people want Following Pokemon back so bad. Having a giant aquatic Pokemon follow you around looks weird. :/

>>33554133

>:/

Opinion discarded

Am I the only one who misses seasons from Gen V? Nice slice of life feature.

Can you say that level design in Gen 6 and 7 is any worse than Orre games level design?

PSS was really amazing.

Shitfreak is dumb af.

>>33554179
Yes. Orre had dungeons.

>>33554179

At least orre has an interesting aesthetic going for it. The whole desert wasteland region was pretty interesting as a concept