/heg/ Hacking and Essentials General : Unity Edition

>>33514138
Max will open a new era of Pokémon Fangames.

>>33514138
>Unity vs Essentials vs romhacking
I'd love to be able to make a 3D Pokemon fangame something. Never going to happen though.

>>33514146
Why not?

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>>33514145
>Unity vs Essentials vs romhacking

Isn't the answer obvious?

>>33514149
A combination of laziness, life, procrastination and taking forever how to learn to actually have a clue what I'm doing in regards to modelling and programming.

>>33514158
You didn't include the MM Engine.

>>33514163
if you aren't adding fakemon, all the models will already be there

>Unity vs Essentials vs romhacking
Infocom-style text adventures > all of these

>>33514146
3d is hard. you could probably make a text rpg battle simulator though.

Hold up, what the fuck is that in OP's pic, never seen it before

>>33514235
As stupid as it sounds it looks like a hacked sun and moon, someone fill me up

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>>33514238
>>33514235
The new dittoware engine

>>33514267
>>33514138
Max, battles inside SM actually let time pass (so it can become dark in the middle of the battle) so don't skim on features ya weeb.

>>33514293
>>33514267
>>33514138
You guys do know that this battle engine is for Meta Mercury, right?
It's the fangame I'm building in parallel to the gen 4 and 5 DittoWare editions

>>33514293
Yeah I know, and it's very easy to set up
You basically just offset a single texture in on a scale of 1 revolution: 24 hours
Same for the sun and moon in the sky

>>33514323
So no 3d dittoware?
Also, Meta mercury will be on windows,mac,linux, android, and ios right?Did you test to see if the models run well on mobile?

>>33514332
>>33514323
I want to see what avalaugg looks like in a ice filter

>>33514339
For the time being, no, but this being developed in DittoWare means I can someday standardize the 3D features and make a full 3D edition

>>33514339
These models will be fine on Mac, Linux and PC
For the mobile versions, I'm to have to figure some optimization out most likely

>>33514373
Mabye make it so the models adjust the polygons depending on how powerful the mobile the device is.

>>33514382
If thats possible,of corse. But you would probably need to test the normal models on mobile first and see how well they run

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>>33514371
probably going with a different shader, but I think it looks pretty cool

>>33514465
That looks cool
Also, what are you gonna do about move animations?

>>33514465
Holy shit

>>33514465
Have ypu made any test models for some of the new fakemon?

>>33514468
Already exported them
I'll write scripts to call specific types for attacks
>>33514498
haven't made models for them yet

>>33514138
Essential ~= Unity >Romhacking
>Essential is very good right now, very easy to learn and get into. I know 12 yos that can use RPGmaker very well.
>Unity opens several floodgate, I might even give the fans benefit of the doubt for them to actually make shit better than xy, oras, and sm- BUT MUH LEARNING CURVE!
>Romhacking, no matter what tool/mod added and made, Its limitations are too glaring. Also, it's not really any easier than Essential(if you're making 90% from scratch) honestly.

>>33514606
>>Essential is very good right now,
That's a flat out lie.

>>33514627
Nah, aside from probably incomplete battle move animation, it's quite a complete package.
Good enough to make gen 5 quality game I'd say.
Might bias or me having shit taste, but I thought insurgence and the like were baller

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>>33514651
Yeah you can customize quite a lot if you kow what you're doing, but in the end, there are trade offs between any engine you use.

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>>33514465
>>33514371
Here's something closer to what I'd go with

>>33514664
That looks great. I can only hope for the Switch game to look that good.

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So my romhack is this https://github.com/UberMedic7/patched-crystal

Im probably close to wrapping things up, maybe finalize all the encounters or even make events for the Gen 1 legendaries once i figure out how, so beside these is there anything im missing out that should i look into? I was also thinking that since i've made Gym Leader rematches possible might aswell make stronger rematch teams but im not sure if it fits the nature of my hack, what do you think?

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>>33514660
Customization is overrated. Good luck designing a better battle interface than Game Freak already did.

>>33517086
I think the shit you're pointing to is just a byproduct of using sprites designed for a 144p console in a 480p space. You'd probably have to redo all the sprites to fit a higher resolution if you wanted less empty space.
Not trying to defend Essentials at all, it's pure shit, but just playing devil's advocate for this specific UI.

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>>33517248
The default Essentials window size is 480x320, twice the GBA's resolution of 240x160. Perfect for a Gen 3 battle interface.

Another option is a 512x384 window, twice the 256x192 DS screen resolution. Note that the gray bottom bar background is only 512px wide; it's missing behind "Bag" and "Run".

Clearly the Essentials creators designed a proper knock-off of the Gen 4 battle UI, but this game creator thought bigger = better and wanted to distract from the Pokemon sprites with a giant tree for some reason.

That one Essentials defender always talks about its technical advantages, like animated sprites and internet connectivity, but those aren't in question. The people who created Essentials are talented programmers. The users, though... not so much.

i need a tiny bit of help regarding an evil team

so im making an essentials game set in the sevii islands 3 years after the events of frlg
now i know who i want as a leader gideon the scientist who was working with team rocket but im not sure what the motive should be or what the team asthetic should be im thinking of developing on the idea that they to wanted to force pokemon to evolve like they did in frlg but separately to team rocket in gsc/hgss

im thinking the team should be made up of people who abandoned the original team rocket and didn't join the reformed team rocket

Has anyone ever added new evolution methods to a GB, GBA, or NDS ROM before? Even something as simple as combining two existing conditions (like leveling up with a move in a magnetized area, or something like that.) Is there any way to do it, or are you stuck with the existing method IDs?

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>>33517086
dude, that's just an example

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Are there any GOAT roms without fakemon?

>>33514664
How are the scripts going?

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>>33519029
I'm still planning how I'm going to go about deciding move animations, camera angles, pokémon placement, and calling poses.

I know everyone is talking about Meta Mercury, but I need some feedback on my Rival Battle Theme. I don't have the intro part made yet and I'm not completely sold on the loop.

http://picosong.com/wwRXW/

Any thoughts?

>>33519076
Try to export the battle animations seperatly and attach them to the same pokemon
>>33519099
That's really catchy

>>33519099
I think it can use more variety in waveforms, but I like the idea
It really fits the gbc style

>>33519143
>>33519166
Cool. You don't think it's too repetitive? Also does the loop sound jarring?

As for the waveforms, it isn't in game yet, so I'm just using a sound ripped from G/S/C to approximate what it's sound like.

>>33517788
How about a motive that the player can understand or even sympathize with, except the team is taking it too far, or gives up their ideals for power, or uses their cause to justify evil deeds? Basically like Team Plasma; people had thought about the cruelty of locking Pokemon up and fighting with them before B/W.

So if they're forcing Pokemon to evolve... why are they doing that? Do they think evolved forms are happier? Or better able to survive some upcoming natural disaster? Or somehow "genetically superior" (Pokesupremacists)? Maybe they heard about Mega Evolution and misinterpreted it? (You could also use the S/M dex entries, which now imply Mega Evolution to be a bad thing.) Perhaps the leader just wants a really powerful Pokemon and lies to his grunts; or he's idealistic but loses control of the grunts who just work for him to gain power.

>>33519076
Yeah export the animations 1 by 1 and attatch them to one pokemon and test it

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>>33519178
There's a VST called NES VST. It's a bit more realistic sounding than a soundfont or .wav. It's how I learned that I'm terrible at GSC style battle themes
I don't really know what to do with music. I know I want to compose for a fangame but my computer can't handle VSTs very well and I've never tried inserting a song into a rom.

Alright I'm midway through a romhack and can't decide the direction I want to take it. It's basically Gen II, but you start out as a guy working a 9-5 in Goldenrod and complete sidequests to save up for your first Pokemon. You go an alternative route through Johto, nothing too life changing. The idea was to highlight what it'd be like to not be one of the professor's chosen children, and you'd never get the "chosen one" events that happen.

The original idea was to have a few nods to the G/S/C player, with NPCs mentioning stuff like the Radio Tower incident or otherwise, but not to focus on it.

But now I think I want to run it simultaneous to the G/S/C story, and you'd hear and see all the accomplishments of this super special little kid, and eventually have to beat him as the Champion. Also debating making him the "rival" of the game with multiple fights.

Which idea do you like better?

>>33519099
you should really make a blog where you post stuff like this and updates. very interested in the development of this game and want to keep updated.

Is there anyway of incorporating the select three feature into gym battles so that gyms can be 3v3?

>>33520687
former

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What are some good Pokemon hacks that work on 3ds? I haven't played vanilla ORAS; and I am looking for a challenge.

Thank you.

>>33521009
Nova sun and umbra moona

>>33521009
Eternal X/Wilting Y(Complete,you gotta manually copy the romfs fro mthe buold you want to

luma/titles/0004000000055E00 for Y or 00040000000055D00 for X)

Rutile Ruby/Star Sapphire(Complete,Drag&Drop recommended)

Nova Sun/Umbra Moon(Complete,Drag&Drop recommended)

Hardest mode on XY is Insanity Mode

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>>33517086
>open aspect ratio/positions of characters
>change values
>>>
>profit
Also, that was a mid animation frame of a battle system I never finished. Positions change just like gen 5 did

>>33522031
Are these placeholder shaders or no?
Xy models look a lot better with cell shading in my opinion. (That doesn't mean you can't add maps for extra detail though)

>>33522233
Cell shading won't look to great, at least in this situation.
These aren't the exact shaders, but rather a test to see what effects and techniques I needed.

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does anyone know how to zoom the camera?
seeing too much trees looks ugly

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>>33524852
>GS Essentials
Don't do this

>>33524917
i really like gen2's sprites especially the pokemon
what's wrong with doing gen2 in essentials?

>>33524941
Gen 2 has a fully complete disassembly that's really intuitive to use (in my opinion of course, some people have had issues with it). Essentials is already an awkward imitation in its base form, but when it tries copying Gen 2 directly it ends up having a huge uncanny valley effect. You should really just cut the middleman and hack Gen 2 directly, you don't even need to know assembly if you just want to add maps/trainers/Pokémon/etc.

>>33525030
Maybe, but you can't have more than 250 Pokemon in Gen 2 romhacks. That's very annoying.

>>33524852
>zoom the camera
literally use a smaller resolution

Except, don't. That's awful.

are liquid crystal and crystaldust worth playing?

>>33526856
Liquid Crystal-is pretty much done,just missing the rest of Orange Islands.It has Johto,Kanto and some of the Orange Islands.And with some extra things its more of an expansion to Crystal.

Crystal Dust is more of a remake that just improves things already in Crystal.Its still needs one more release to add more of Kanto.

Both are good but I personally like Liquid Crystal

Rom hacks will always be better because you can actually speed through them.

>>33527272
you can do the same with essentials games. I've seen youtubers do it.

>>33527138
i'll try crystal dust first since it's shorter, if i like it then i'll move onto liquid
thanks

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>>33526856
Liquid Crystal is putrid shit. Its OCs are horrible, and though they don't take up that much space at the start they become more and more prominent, and by the time you get to Kanto they become 90% of the plot, and 100% of the plot when you get the eight Kanto badges and the game becomes complete fanfiction.
This is the level of dialogue late-game Liquid Crystal sinks to.

>>33528081
You forgot to mention once you get to kanto every trainer has like 6 full restore's.

>>33528081
Jesus fuckin' Christ! I'm glad I didn't devote too much time to Liquid Crystal, now. On paper, it sounded really cool. But that dialogue is just plain awful.

>>33528081
I haven't got very far yet so I thought I'd recommend it.Had no idea it had that sort of cringe stuff in it.Its thread didn't clue me in on it.

>>33527448
You might wanna just skip Liquid Crystal

>>33524917
That 100% is not gen 2 essentials, it looks like they imported gen 2 sprites into normal essentials.

>>33524852
Use the true gen 2 essentials if you want the gen 2 camera zoom in, it's a little bit more outdated though.

>>33528400
Yeah, Liquid Crystal definitely seems innocuous when you first play it, but it gets way too bad toward the end.
>Its thread didn't clue me in on it.
Never look at Pokécommunity for recommendations on ROMhacks. I once saw someone say Rescue Rangers was the best hack they ever played.

Three questions:

1. How do you stay focused on your project?

2. How do you plan things out?

3. How do you handle trade evolution in your game?

>>33529322
>1. How do you stay focused on your project?
I don't.
>2. How do you plan things out?
I don't.

>despite my efforts, can't draw sprites worth a shit
>All I need is a set of custom trainer sprite sheets. (Their trainer card portrait, their back for the beginning of combat, and their overworld sprite sheets.)
>Have a basic idea of what I would like
>Can't justify spending actual money on a small fangame project...
... Then again
>Wouldn't even know where to look if I did want to hire someone
>I'm sure it will be expensive
>Found some girl advertising through an art website, reasonable price. Hasn't been active in over a year despite having good ratings and reviews

I JUST WANT A TRAINER THAT LOOKS UNIQUE, YET NOT RETARDED!

>>33522031
Test joltic vs primal-kyogre

>>33525445
>you can't have more than 250 Pokemon in Gen 2 romhacks
You can have exactly 256.
And I believe there is work being done to expand the cap dramatically.

>>33531127
You can have 253. Three slots are used for Egg, nothing, and end-of-list (in Bill's PC). It might be feasible to replace Egg and/or end-of-list, but you absolutely need 0 to mean "no Pokemon".

>>33530079
I was recently looking for a place that did commissions, and I found this site: https://artistsnclients.com/
I haven't tried to hire anyone myself yet, but maybe you can take a look for yourself. Good luck, anon.

Is there a more updated overview of notable hacks?
The one in the Op still talks about Prism being a 4 gym beta, so I'm assuming it's old as shit.

>>33532745
It is old as shit. Nobody's made a better one yet. I want to do it from scratch but I also want to set up a peer-review method for the hacks so I can get consensus on whether they're good or whether I just have shit taste.

>>33532088
>>33530079
I found a guy that did spritework...

>Only have two small sheets that I need done
>He explains that they're really simple and they would be easy
>His rate is really low and he is confident that he can do them in the style I'm requesting
>He gives me an estimate
>It's still more than I could ever afford to throw away on a Pokemon fangame.

Looks like I just gotta keep making shit sprites until I eventually break through and make something bearable, I guess...

ay don't die

>>33518310
bump

>>33514138
So I'm assuming CFW peasants will never enjoy this or anything besides the no outline patch?

>>33530079
>>33533454
I'm bored and haven't done spritework in a while, if you post a detailed description, I could take a shot at it. I don't promise anything of super high quality, but I could take a crack at it at least.

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>>33514138
if you need help texture wise, i'd be inclined to help

pic related, did this as a test on buzzwole

Is there a Drayano Pokemon Platinum?

Fuck the BlackBerry Keyone is GOAT for emulation.

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>>33534611
That's pretty great
How did you go about getting/setting up your shaders?

G.oo.dra is a s.lim.y go.oey dra.gon
S.he is w.itho.ut a d.oubt 100% per.cent f.e.m..al.e

>>33519679
Oh man, I love the idea of Grunts becoming a criminal syndicate behind the leader's back. It'd be like if N and Ghetsis switched roles.

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>>33534533
If you're still interested, I could really use a female trainer. I started on a male trainer.

I'd like her to be made in the GBA style/size. You can take any creative liberties you'd like, but I'd like her to be relatively simple in design (As my project is focusing on the simpler days of early Pokemon.)

Here's my current design for the male protagonist, but I'm still working on him. I'm currently doing the spritesheets for the Overworld stuff, now.

>>33514138
Does anyone else come here only to look at all the cool shit?I don't think I'm creative enough to make a game myself but I really like watching projects here.

>>33535444
Used Blender. I could post the Nodes if you want to try and replicate it.

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>>33530539
Gonna play with the translucency some

>>33519679
Nah nigga fuck that give me Team Galatic but more evil without being overly edgy.

>evil team doing experiments in a town near a power supply
>it explodes, leaving the town wiped out, killing everyone including the grunts

This can be done without being edgy. You just have to be able to write it.

Galatic would have been better if by summoning the trio, it started opening some sort of rift that was wiping the planet way. You could have several gym leaders and ace trainers fly in and try to stop it, resulting it a gym leader dying, etc.

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Whats the best recommendation for an emerald rom hack that makes breeding and training easy and has pss, fairies, and maybe new mons.
I was looking at theta ex but posts say it's buggy as shit and the creator seems like an ass

>>33538772
Why do you have this abominable image saved?

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>>33536060
Threw this together real quick, thoughts?

>>33538457
I guarantee that killing a whole town in a Pokemon hack will end up being edgy and terrible. That goes double for if a Gym Leader dies.

Let me guess, you were imagining half-erased sprites with blood on the edges? All-caps screaming mixed with too many ellipses? Maybe the leader gets some last words before they die? Yeah, it'll be bad.

>>33535444
Have you tried double battles?

>>33539728
I've pretty much figured out how to properly position Pokémon for doubles, triples and hordes

How long until sprites of the new UBs are made?

This looks promising.

https://hax.iimarckus.org/topic/6877/

r8 this idea
>champion of region was defeated by and replaced with an ai built by a tech geek who himself is a bad trainer
>the ai learns procedurally by analyzing battles on film and using data from the pc system where pokemon are stored is able to compute in seconds the exact set of moves that will win any battle
>after winning the championship, the ai's creator rebuilt the hall of fame and the champion's room to house a massive supercomputer for the ai to use
>unbeknownst to its own creator, the ai, which began calling itself the pokemon master, began accessing the internet and hacked its way into every possible database that contained information on pokemon
>including every camera connected to the internet, allowing the pokemon master to simultaneously see every pokemon battle happening anywhere in the world
>and every move every possible challenger to its title as champion ever makes
>uses only artifically created pokemon, with its signature pokemon being a porygon-z
>this allows the pokemon master to get around not being able to bond on an emotional level with its pokemon, instead it hijacks their brains with its ai, with the porygon-z being the ai itself

while obviously a superhuman ai opponent that calculates the exact method to beat the player in as few moves as possible based on every action you make in the game before challenging it is probably impossible its a fun thought experiment

>>33530079
I can't draw either, but I've found it pretty easy to take other sprites from various games and use parts as a guideline.
Once you have a basic outline worked out, it's simple to fill it in using a similar style to the Pokemon games.

I find it surprisingly fun to devamp sprites, but I'm bad so it takes a while. Half the fun is figuring out which two colors form a palette that fits.