Who wore it better?

>>33501053
Obviously digimon,bpokrmon dedign are boring specially gen 1

>>33501053
Pokemon is better. Digimon designs are fucking terrible.

>>33501053
Slowbro looks like a fan art lol

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Scyther

>>>/v/

Digimon tend to look like actual monsters, and play up the freakish/bizarre/deadly angles a lot more often.

I have yet to meet a Pokemon fan who did not measure every single monster raising game by the design standards of Pokemon, as if it's a universal standard.

>>33501169

Most rookie and champion digimon have good designs. It's ultimate/megas that fuck it up.

>>33501279

I agree, lots of Pokemon fans think any monster design that isn't cutest/organic/simple is automatically bad.

>>33501316
complex/scary monster designs just don't go well with a cartoony style. leave that for realistic stuff

>>33501405
smt has both cartoony and complex/scary designs

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>>33501291
>Most rookie and champion digimon have good designs

No they do not.

>DUDE LET'S SLAP GUNS AND PANTS ON A DOG LMAO

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>>33501279
Im actually going to say it: Digimon designs are way more consitent. I have yet to see a Digimon design that has poor anatomy. I can not say the same of Pokemon, especially with later gen animals like felines and equines. I'm cool with simplicity, I'm not cool with hip desplacement.

>>33501441
learn what most mean anon
also
>hating gargomon

>>33501418
>smt
?

>>33501474

Fuck off casual scum

>>33501478
stop bullying me

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>>33501474
shin megami tensei

>>33501441

How does that make it a bad design?

>>33501053

Slowbro > stupid spaghetti hair monster
Digimon shell > derpy shellder

>>33501488
Shit designs

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>>33501459
>learn what most mean anon

I know what "most" means. "Most" Digimon designs are complete shit.

>DUDE A CACTUS BUT WITH BOXING GLOVES LMAO

Digimon is better, pokemons just get bigger, gen 1 are boring like rattata pidgeotto, butterfree, psyduck etc..

>>33501493

>everything that isn't pokemon has bad designs

ok kid

>>33501511
he didn't say that at all

>>33501490
Because it's just put there for no reason and it looks gaudy.

Pokemon designs are good because everything has a reason to exist on a design. With Digimon it's just
>UH, BELTS AND GUNS ARE COOL RIGHT? LET'S SLAP THEM ON

>>33501509
Gen 5 pokemon are more interesting than gen 1

>>33501059
wat

>>33501506

You still haven't explained why that's bad, besides you being triggered by fictional monsters wearing clothes

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>>33501493

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I hate digimon only because it's designs.

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Dreamon is basically a Musharna who's livin fancy

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>>33501493
whatever you say boyo

How does it have guns for "no reason"? And what's wrong with a monster having guns?

>>33501529
>You still haven't explained why that's bad

Yes I have. >>33501520

>>33501520
actually they do have a reason to exist.

digimon are an amalgamation of ideas on the internet so their designs often have donut steele OC designs to represent that notion.

>>33501506
>not liking Togemon
Shit taste

>>33501550

All you said was "I don't like that digimon have clothes so it's slapped on". You haven't explained why it's bad.

>>33501557
in comparison appmon are a lot more grounded design wise because they're based on apps with established properties and functions instead of a clusterfuck of memes

>>33501520
>this design in another series is bad because it doesn't do what pokemon would do

The point of Gargomon is its guns. Why do the extra features need a reason to be there? Digimon are not wild animals that have adapted to their environment. They're cyber monsters.

A lot of digimon designs tend to re-use certain element s like specific eyes or jaw designs, or are just blatant recolors of one another. It's the same sort of problem I have with Gen I Pokemon designs where a lot of them used the exact same "rocky dinosaur" body type and those boring triangle eyes, in that it's just an unappealing trait that they chose to use a lot.

Best Digimon design is Stingmon

>>33501053
Slowbro > Shellmon
>>33501188
Monzaemon > Bewear

>>33501586
>Best Digimon design is Stingmon

good taste

>>33501585
>Digimon are not wild animals that have adapted to their environment. They're cyber monsters.
they're a little bit of both.

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Anti-Digimon fags are fucking pathetic. Not everything has to follow Pokemon's design conventions.

>>33501557
>their designs are intentionally bad!

uh, ok?

>>33501573
>All you said was "I don't like that digimon have clothes so it's slapped on"

No. I said "it doesn't have a reason to be there and it looks gaudy."

>>33501585
>The point of Gargomon is its guns
So the point of the design is that it's a shit design? Uh, wow. That's great.

Blastoise having cannons makes sense. It's built up to be a tank-based design and it being based on a turtle fits that theme. Remoraid being based on a gun makes sense because there are actual fish that attack by shooting water from their mouths. And even then it's integrated intelligently and subtlety into the design and played with Mantine possibly being based on a fighter jet.

With Gargomon it's just "DUDE DOGS WITH GUNS IS COOL XDDDDDD"

>>33501053
Plural of Pokémon and Digimon is also Pokémon and Digimon. *facepalm*

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>>33501667
>*facepalm*

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>>33501586
Also this fucker could easily pass as a Perfect/Ultimate level Digimon

>>33501647
>No. I said "it doesn't have a reason to be there and it looks gaudy."
You said there was no reason for them to be there and I gave you a reason.
Stop being obtuse.

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>>33501647

>no fictional creature is allowed to have guns unless the animal it's based has motif that relates to guns

>>33501679
>You said there was no reason for them to be there and I gave you a reason.

But there isn't a reason.

>>33501684
If it wants to be a GOOD design it should have a reason for having the things it has.

>>33501598
Lucemon Larva is another one I really like

>>33501647
You're completely missing the point.
Just because most pokémon have real life basis behind their designs doesn't mean every other franchise need to do the same. Digimon designs have a lot more freedom in that regard.

What you're saying is
>Dogs with guns?! Dogs don't have guns in real life or some sort of similar aspect, this is not fine by me!

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>he doesn't like guns on monster
gay

>>33501695
>Just because most pokémon have real life basis behind their designs doesn't mean every other franchise need to do the same
If they want to have good designs they do.

>Digimon designs have a lot more freedom in that regard.
And Digimon designs look fucking terrible and the franchise as a whole is a lot less popular and appealing than Pokemon. I wonder why that is.

>>33501690

According to who? Gamefreak and its dick suckers?

>>33501262
Neck urself

>>33501705

>the franchise as a whole is a lot less popular and appealing than Pokemon
>argumentum ad populum

>>33501647
I don't think you actually know what Gaudy means. How are some jeans and a belt slung over the shoulder gaudy? It doesn't just mean ugly. In general you seem to have a very difficult time articulating what you don't like about the design of these Digimon besides saying that Pokemon doesn't do things that way. But Digimon aren't Pokemon, and as such, are not expected to conform to the design standards of Pokemon with regards to conveying a believable (fantasy) creature. Digimon are monsters from a fake cyber dimension created by and influenced passively by what humans do in the "real world".

Most Digimon are just designed with the intention of making something cool or interesting, without regard for realism. Some of them are supposed to look weird or ugly. "Overdesigned" is also not a complaint you can leverage against an entire franchise's designs, because the "over" part of overdesigned implies there is a design standard that is being exceeded. If all Digimon have complex designs with lots of little details and additions, then that's the standard. They're supposed to look like that. Pokemon have simpler, cleaner designs does not mean everything should do what Pokemon does.

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Now take a look at THESE guns

>>33501418
>>33501478
>>33501488
Fuck off autistic weeabos

>>33501705
Because, among other reasons, Pokemon tend to aim for safe, simple designs meant to appeal to a lot of people. The lowest common denominator.

>>33501705
>If they want to have good designs they do.
Literally just your opinion. If you can't stand not every design being a reference to real life or mythology then that's fine. But you're a good example of the "if it doesn't do exactly like pokémon I don't like it" crowd.

>>33501316
And yet, most pokémon fans hate Black and White Kyurem because they're "too complex/overdesigned"

>>33501730

>crying about weeaboos in a board dedicated to a japanese anime-style game in a board created to discuss anime

>>33501750
>proving the point
Anyway, having different expectations from different franchises shouldn't be hard for you to understand.

>>33501750
>And yet, most pokémon fans hate Black and White Kyurem because they're "too complex/overdesigned
even though their designs being messy is kinda the point since Kyurem itself is a mess and the forms are just Kyurem forcing itself to regain its former glory but becoming an abomination in the process.
It's as nonsensical as hating Type:Null solely for being a chimera

>>33501059
genwunner

>>33501568
probably born in 2007

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>>33501730
>calls someone a weeb
>on a board dedicated only for a japanese franchise

>>33501768
>japanese anime-style game
pokemon looks more western to me

>>33501059
>>33501179
>>33501279
>>33501316
>>33501457
>>33501509
Listen, fags. I like Digimon, I really do (not as much as Pokémon though). But if you think Digimon is better than Pokémon, what the fuck are you retards even doing here?
Back to fuck up to >>>/a/ please.

>>33501547
>>33501585
Yes, it's stupid if it doesn't have a reason. As an example:
>>33501647
No, faggot, Blastoise having cannons does not make sense. It's why I hate Blastoise, it has steel cannons on its back for no fucking reason other than it's supposed to look cool. In no way in its evolutionary line, there is a theme of cannons or something that indicated it would get cannons upon evolution.

>>33501841
>if pokemon isn't your favorite franchise then you're not allowed to discuss it on /vp/

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Pokémon is better in my opinion.

>>33501850
Yeah, maybe I should discuss Pokémon subjects in /pol/.
Fucking retard

>>33501721
>haha I named le fallacy name so that means I have an argument! xD
If Pokemon is more popular it means the designs do a better job at being appealing.

>>33501728
>How are some jeans and a belt slung over the shoulder gaudy?
It looks out of place. It looks cheap. It looks slapped on just for the sake of having something slapped on instead of having a reason to be there. It's exactly what gaudy means. Pick up a dictionary instead of posting on 4chan.

>Most Digimon are just designed with the intention of making something cool or interesting,
But they're not cool or interesting. They're just clusterfucks. Having extra shit slapped on for no reason does not equate to cool or interesting. Having unique concepts elegantly tied into the design is interesting.

>They're supposed to look like that
So they're supposed to look like shit? Wow, ok. Everything looking like shit doesn't justify everything looking like shit.

>>33501745
>Pokemon tend to aim for safe, simple designs meant to appeal to a lot of people

So.... designs that are actually.... good? Wow, I haven't thought of that. I don't think making bad designs on purpose is a good business move though. :)

>>33501747
>Literally just your opinion.
No it's not. Every successful design has reasons for things existing on the design.

>>33501841
Blastoise is an armored sea creature that shoots water. Expanding on its tank theme further by adding cannons makes sense.

>>33501750
They're not overdesigned though. Its frankensteinish appearance is the point of its design. It's not slapped on for no reason like Digimon.

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>>33501841
>you can't discuss about pokemon because you like other franchises more

>>33501880
-> >>33501874

>>33501895
it would probably be better than in /vp/

>>33501879
I never said I didn't like Black/White Kyurem, on the contrary. I was criticizing those fans for hating the 2 designs just because they're more detailed.

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>MY OPINION IS OBJECTIVELY BETTER THAN YOUR OPINION REEEEE

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>>33501906
>first pikachu
>now james-moltres
i cant believe pokemon keeps making their designs thinner, fat-shaming needs to end

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>dude this dinosaur creature with a bunch of guns and cyborg armor on the previous stage is a knight now lmao
>"why?"
>because knights are COOL XD

>>33501879
>If Pokemon is more popular it means the designs do a better job at being appealing.
It means they have a broader appeal and not much more. Nobody here is denying that. Also there are many other reasons why Digimon are less popular than Pokémon than just the designs.
>No it's not. Every successful design has reasons for things existing on the design.
The reason doesn't have to be anything more than the final product being aesthetically pleasing.

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>dude this dragon creature is a knight now lmao
>"why?"
>because knights are COOL XD

>>33501959
I don't think you could have possible picked a worse example for your strawman.

>>33501970
>The reason doesn't have to be anything more than the final product being aesthetically pleasing.

Which Digimon aren't. Why? Because they have a bunch of shit slapped on for no reason.

>>33501959
>>33501981
Seriously, the digimon designers sure love knights and mechas.

>>33501879
>It looks out of place. It looks cheap. It looks slapped on just for the sake of having something slapped on instead of having a reason to be there. It's exactly what gaudy means.
It's jeans and a simple belt. It is not extravagant, it is not flashy, the colours are even muted. No, gaudy does not really apply. They supplement the guns to convey a simple gunslinger look. That's their intention.

>But they're not cool or interesting. They're just clusterfucks. Having extra shit slapped on for no reason does not equate to cool or interesting. Having unique concepts elegantly tied into the design is interesting.
But I think many of them do look cool. So I'm right, right? I mean, I said they're cool. So they are. That appears to be how things are working here. If we're specifically talking about Gargomon, I like it because the guns are cool, but the other elements look strange and a bit funny. Gargomon I would say is an amusing design.

>So they're supposed to look like shit? Wow, ok. Everything looking like shit doesn't justify everything looking like shit.
Hmm, nope, I said they're supposed to be detailed and they're supposed to have accessories and other bizarre elements. When I think about how I would design a monster, I don't think of how I can make it look elegant or simple.

>Expanding on its tank theme further by adding cannons makes sense.
What tank theme existed before to have expanded by the cannons? It doesn't even stand on four legs, and never did at any point in its evolutionary line.

Have you considered not approaching an artistic discussion as if you're an investor? I don't care about what has more mass market appeal and what directions make for good business moves. Considering this seems to be the smartest and best way to design monsters to you, I sure hope you've never disparaged a new Pokemon design for "chasing the yokai watch audience".

>>33501991
I give your generalization a 10/10.

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Shiny Buneary/Lopunny

>>33502006
Lopmon is fantastic. I would take it over Lopunny all day every day.

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smt has best designs

>>33501441
>Gargomon is "just" a dog with pants and guns
M8 wot? What fucking dog do you have and can I see it in pants with guns?
Also Gargomon is a Rabbit fuckface

>>33501506
>Not liking Togemon
I bet you hate Cactuar and Cacturne too you fucking fag

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Who did it better?

>>33501991
And yet Digimon is still around, has fans, and sells toys. Kids in the early 2000s liked Wargreymon, and some still do. When Pokemon is dominating the safe, cute, all-ages market, it makes sense to target an entirely different group of people and carve out a dedicated niche fanbase, rather than chasing after Pokemon and always being #2 (or lower) to it in that field.

>>33502031
No because their scarecrow concepts are smartly mixed into the design instead of just having out of place boxing gloves slapped on

>>33502040
>mixing a cactus with a scarecrow for now reason is perfectly fine
>mixing one with a boxer for no reason is absolute haram
Really makes you think

>>33502040
It's a Cactus that boxes, why shouldn't it have boxing gloves on?

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digimon has better waifumons

>>33501959
I agree, Gallantmon is very cool.

Digimon outside of the anime don't follow dedicated evolutionary lines. That's why there are many Digimon that evolve into things that don't continue the same design trends as the previous form, because there were likely half a dozen Digimon that could all evolve into this same thing.

Gallantmon/Dukemon is solely an evolution of Wargrowlmon though, and takes on a humanoid form because it had become a trend in the anime and to an extent, the entire series, for higher levels of Digimon to take on more humanoid appearance, as a kind of exaggeration and simplification of the idea of evolution culminating in a humanoid shape. Though there are a few too many Digimon that follow this trend, it's something I don't like about Digimon despite liking several isolated cases of it (like Gallantmon)

Also, in-universe, Guilmon and his entire evolutionary line were literally designed by a child who played the Digimon card game.

>>33502040
What about Poliwhirl and Poliwrath?

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Joltik
OwO

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>>33502063
>no reason

scarecrows are human shaped things placed in a middle of a field that don't move.

cacti are human shaped things placed in a middle of a desert that don't move.

>>33502098
Kek

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>>33502098
>implying
Here's the real Chad

>>33502105
>A literal straw human, usually crucified, is the same shape as a Cactus that is not in that shape
Cacturne isn't even the shape you posted.

Are you stupid?
Of course you are you think a Cactus in a hat is fine but gloves is retarded

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Okay okay, can we just agree that Rapidmon is better than Gargomon?

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Just an orange dinosaur that breathes fire

>>33502145
I don't like his bare legs.

>>33502148
Except Charmander executes the concept way better because

1. You can quickly tell it has a fire attribute from its color and ember on its tail
2. It's based on a salamander, which have a mythological affinity with fire

Agumon is just
>DUDE DINOSAUR THAT SHOOTS FIREBALLS AWESOME XDDDD

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>>33502131
>Posting shitmons

Can we all stop pretending Digimon is ALL "slap a gun on it"? Or at least that they aren't all shit?

>>33502145
Yes, but Terriermon is the best in the line

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ElDradimon > Shiterra

>>33502159
What the fuck are you talking about?
Charmander is better "because he's fire type" and "based on a thing that has myths associated with fire
Digimon don't have types, or at least not like that. Agumon isn't trying to immedietly come across as a thing that shoots fire. How can Charmander be better at a thing only Charmander is doing?

>>33502026

>Terrier
> Galgo
> Rabbit

Ha, fuckin' retard. Hurr durr it got big ears, so it bunny.

>>33502159
>1. You can quickly tell it has a fire attribute from its color and ember on its tail

You need to be able to tell that in Pokemon because fire is a type and weaknesses and resistances rely on that sort of readability. Agumon is not "fire type", I don't need to know he can breathe fire before he does it, and in most cases in Digimon, every one that I can think of, anyway, you can just read what attack it can do on the card, or the game tells you the element straight-off because the game was not designed with guessing that in mind. Again, why does everything need to be done like Pokemon?

How can people even compare Pokemon and Digimon designs? Both are super different; it's not fair to have them both at each other.

>>33501520
you should take a look at blastoise.

>>33502179
Are you stupid?
Terriormon is based on a dog, from Gargomon on he is literally a rabbit. He has rabbit ears, later paws and is very clearly a humanoid rabbit.
>Hurr durr Pokémon don't change what animal they're based on between evolutions so digimon can't

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>>33502177
>>33502185
>Digimon don't have types
I like Digimon but please don't lie.
They just don't have *consistent* types from game to game.

>>33501647
>Blastoise having cannons makes sense.
no it doesn't. especially how random they are implemented - it's no better than the gargomon you're complaining about.

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>>33501959
>>33501981

>dude this salmon fish is now an octopus
>"why"
>because octopuses are COOL XD

>>33502213
SaintGargomon is very clearly a dog though. Rapidmon is the only one of the line that is significantly more rabbit like than dog like.

>>33501636
This. Digimon are 100% digital so they have possibilities to turn into anything really. They're not restricted by biology and logic

>>33502236
>Saintgargomon
Well I mean it looks like it has a muzzle, sure, but even so, by Rapidmon you mean the one right after Gargomon?
So Gargomon is literally between something significantly doglike and significantly rabbitlike?

>>33502226
He was right though. Digimon don't have types like Pokémon do. The types are usually added in the rpg-like games, but there are several games they don't have types in, like the Rumble Arena ones, and in most other branches of the franchise, most importantly the v-pets.
Digimon types are sometimes a game mechanic, not something that define the Digimon.

>>33502226
The games that do have elements, specifically Cyber Sleuth, are what I was referring to when I said
>the game tells you the element straight-off because the game was not designed with guessing that in mind

I know about the Virus/Vaccine/Data thing which is more common, and I think are the only types Digimon can have in the card game.

>>33502159
>you need fire constantly buring on it's body to know that it's a fire type

>>33502234
>dude this fish is now an octopus
>"why"
>well because, the fish is based on a gun. A tank seems like an interesting step above a gun since they're both used as weapons. But I need to turn it into an octopus so it looks more like a tank and it keeps the shooting theme, except it just shoots ink like an octopus instead of shooting water like a fish. Plus they're both still aquatic animals so they're connected that way
>"hey, that's actually pretty smart! you're promoted!"

Fixed ;)

>>33502234

Don't bother, they'll just spout something about Remoraid/Octillery based on weapons, as if that somehow made it ok.

>>33502226
https://wikimon.net/Field

>>33502283
Too slow.

>>33501993
and thats why I love Digimon desu

>>33501647
>gargomon
>dog
pick one

Can't we both agree they have both good and bad designs?

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>>33502156
Hagurumon is definitely better

>>33502226
Why did you literally cut my sentence in half to shitpost?
>Digimon don't have types, or at least not like that

You posted an example of a game that's trying to go with the Pokémon/SMT system. Digimon in the show/card game/in general aren't "Fire/Water/Grass" type and have a big type match up chart like that.
The rare/slightly use of types in Digimon is not comparable to Pokémon types

What SMT games do people recommend you play first?

>>33502309
>galgomon
>galgo dog breed
>not a dog

The whole point is that the terriermon line is based on dogs while the lopmon line is based on rabbits.

>>33502317
Piedmon > Mr. Mime
Sangloupmon < Absol
Dianamon > Lunala
Apollomon < Solgaleo
Vikaralamon and Mamoswine are honestly so similar it's hard to choose.
Gaomon and Riolu are both shit.

>>33502347
Nocturne (which is 3), 4, and Strange Journey are the common starters.

>>33502317
Why not compare Solgaleo to Saberleomon?

>>33502351
>Muh English names
Yep. It looks way more like a Galgo than a rabbit. Despite it turning into a rabbit
Also
>Lopmon based on rabbits
You mean the thing almost identicle to Terriermon?

>>33501690
It looks cool, that's all it needs.

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Digimon did it first

>>33502276
>dude this dragon with guns turned into a knight
>"why"
>well, because dragons vs knights is usually a common fairy tale, which depicts the knight as a virtuous spirit who overcomes the dreaded dragon, thus in turn the knight is of a higher level. Guns also tend to be seen as the weapon of a coward, while swords represent valor, honor and discipline.
>"hey that's actually pretty smart! you're promoted!"

:)

>>33502381
It is called Galgomon in Japanese too you fucking retard.
Unlike Pokémon, Digimon fans often use the Japanese names when they're discussing in English, mainly because a lot of the names that were altered in English suck.

>>33502381
Galgomon is the Jap name you retard.

>turning into a rabbit
It doesn't turn into a rabbit. It turns into a dog Gargomon has dog feet rather than rabbit feet. Megagargomon also has very obvious dog features.

>>33502380
I just did it because of the Dawn/Sun and Dusk/Moon meme

>>33502405
As long as it wasn't for "because they're both fire"
that would have been pretty bad.

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>>33502347

>>33501636
This, I actually prefer digimon because I can accept what they evolve into since it was never grounded in logic. How the fuck does a cat become an angel? fuck it its cool.

Pokemon started on a certain path and decided to run all across it so that's why newer pokemon models annoy me. Digimon never once changed up their evolve logic, because it never made sense to begin with

>>33502089
Looks more like cutefly from gen 7 or whatever its name is.

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>>33501959
Dukemon isn't the natural evolution of Megalogrowmon.
That's Megidramon. Dukemon is a shell suppressing its destructive side.

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>>33502387
children did it first

>>33502411
Better yet, just play Persona 5

>>33502401
>>33502404
You're missing my point retards, why would the JAPS name it after the ENGLISH word for a SPANISH dog breed? Especially after Terriermon. "Hey lets get more specific about what breed, even though it looks absolutely nothing like that breed"

Also it's already been agreed Terriermon - Galgomon - Rapidmon is Dog-Dog/Rabbit -Rabbit

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>>33502234
>Remoraid
>Salmon
wut

>>33502436
I don't think you'r very familiar with Digimon. Japanese Digimon names are very often not derived from foreign words. Terriermon, Rapidmon and Saintgargomon being the Japanese names for the rest of the line should show you as much. All are derived from English words. As for the record the only one with a different name in English is Saintgargomon, who was changed to Megagargomon.

>>33502433
the first thing i thought was robocop with a sword and shield
maybe it's face that looks like robocop

>>33502461
>very often not derived from foreign words.
very often derived from foreign words* Sorry.

>>33502461
You seem to be pretty unfamiliar with English.
>Digimon names are very often not derived from foreign words
I didn't mention any of those?
>Terriermon, Rapidmon and Saintgargomon being the japanese names should show you as much
Those ARE derived from foreign words. Those are also the ONLY digimon we were talking about

>>33502476
See >>33502464 I fucked up.

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>>33502171
Well played dude.

>>33502512
You fucked up your argument too, where's your post explaining that?

>>33502582
My argument was that Digimon names in Japanese are often derived from non-Japanese words. So Gargomon coming from Galgo isn't odd at all.

I didn't fuck up any of that.

>>33502582
You said Japanese people wouldn't name their Digimon after an English worse and he listed off every other member of that Digimon's family, ALL with names derived from English words, Terrier, Rapid, and Saint.

Pokemon generally have better designs than child/adult/perfect level digimon, but ultimate level Digimon are mostly god-tier. Mugendramon, Wargreymon, Seraphimon, Omegamon, Alphamon, Cherubimon, Zhuqiaomon, Baihumon, DORUgoramon, Kaisergreymon to name a few. Don't care much about baby or child-level digimon at all except for DORUmon and Patamon, and among the adult ones I really only like Angemon, but goddamn the ultimates are fucking beautiful

>>33502234
>remoraid
>Has REMORA on it's fucking name
>Call it a salmon

>>33501879
>So.... designs that are actually.... good
You say this yet pokemon has the opposite problem of occasionally being far too simplistic.
I play pokemon to catch monsters not to catch a Toucan and a wolf wearing a rock collar.

>>33502638
>Mickey Toucan
Why have I never heard of this before?

>>33501279
Congrats, have you ever managed to no make the least funny version of this that I've have ever seen.
>>33501636
>tfw don't know much shit about this competitive so that's why I don't know how this meme works

>>33502171
God tier taste, anon

>>33502616
Nah, adult and perfect is where digimon truly shine. Sure there are great ultimate level digimon like Mugendramon but a lot of the level is plagued by knight like designs.
Wargreymon and DORUgoramon look better in their previous stage, and Kaisergreymon isn't even a proper ultimate.

I think each design style fits their settings and core ideas.
Pokemon is looking to make you feel like a naturalist, a bug collector. Pokemon biology is important in their designs, and we get a los of exposition through the dex to what habitat and ecological role a pokemon plays.

Digimon, on the other hand, does not give a shit. As digital beings, they only serve the purpose of looking cool and killing each other, so guns everywhere, demons, motorcycles, spikes are good to go.

This is reflected in-game as in pokemon you have to look for them in specific areas and their moveset reflects some biological traits.
Most digimon games, on the other hand, consist in rpgs where you get an initial digimon and evolve-devolve it into a lot of cool motherfuckers.

>>33502545
Torterra and Eldradimon are both based on world turtle while Xuanwumon is a fucking genbu

>>33502672
That's exactly what I like about them though. Knights and mechas, humanoid creatures. Those are my favorites. There's no way Metalgreymon looks better than Wargreymon nor DORUguremon better than DORUgoramon. And yeah KaiserGreymon isn't an actual Ultimate, my mistake - it is still a very Ultimate- like design.

>>33502681
>This is reflected in-game as in pokemon you have to look for them in specific areas and their moveset reflects some biological traits.
>Most digimon games, on the other hand, consist in rpgs where you get an initial digimon and evolve-devolve it into a lot of cool motherfuckers.
I don't disagree but I would like to point out that games like the Digimon World series does a good job in making believable worlds with Digimon in proper areas, even if the world isn't realistic.

>>33502700
Yeah, agreed. Some iterations do give more of a shit than others, with digimon in areas that would make sense. Well, as much sense as a green ogre living with dinosaurs can make.

>>33502697
I probably have a soft spot for the blue Metalgreymon from the DW1 days, but Wargreymon pales in comparison in my eyes.
I do agree that Kaisergreymon looks great , even if I prefer Susanoomon

>>33501729
Hahahahaha oh help!
Is that a real zangoose! wow! Oh damn how awesome is this god!
Can he lift 160 kg of heavy lift as well! sir, damn it.
I love zangoose, it's so strong and can knock out charizard too! lol

>>33502734
Most spirits look great imo, I just dislike Chackmon, Mercuremon, Sefirotmon, Calamaramon. Hyper Spirits are fuckin dope and same for Susanoomon

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>>33501457
>I have yet to see a Digimon design that has poor anatomy
Here you go. In no universe can those spaghetti limbs carry its weight.

>>33502763
Agree on Chackmon and I don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other for Calamaramon.
Mercuremon and Sefirotmon are probably my favorites of the regular spirits though. I like how abstract their designs are.

>>33502770
why put the blame on Zwart D when all Omegamon except Z have the same arm width?

>>33502770
Good thing it flies then :^)

>>33502833
sorry meant except X

>>33502770
edgy I like it

>>33502760
Zangoose is gay and stupid

>>33502664
The least funny version of what? What the fuck are you talking about? What does competitive have to do with anything?

>>33502833
Zwart D is the worst of them all though. Its limbs are even thinner and its spine is crooked as fuck.

>>33502770
>Omegamon Zwart got wrecked to hell
>is considered an evolution
what did they mean by this?

>>33502897
well it's supposed to be an Omegamon Zwart who's on the verge of death after being defeated so I doubt anatomy matters at that point.

>>33502903
It doesn't actually evolve from Omegamon Zwart in N0, it is its own jorgress.
As far as lore goes sure it was a regular Omegamon Zwart, but D was never implied to be stronger, just easier to control.

>>33502404
>>33502401
>>33502436
>>33502461
>>33502309
>>33502213
>>33502236
>>33502247
The fact that this argument is even happening is evident of how shitty digimon designs are at actually conveying their concept properly.

>>33502967
Digimon designs isn't about easily being able to tell what they're based on anon.

>>33501053
>Agumon's Jamaican cousin who got stuck in a children's playground toy

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>>33502967
The fact that there are arguments about Pokemon must mean it's a bad franchise
oh shit, wait a second

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>>33501728
>If all Digimon have complex designs with lots of little details and additions, then that's the standard

Except Digimon can't even do that right. The designs barely have any fucking consistency.

>>33501841
I just think that Pokemon is at times inexcusibly ignorant of anatomy, and Digimon proves that its not just "Japanese style" to ignore an animals real bone structure.

>>33503005
Both great, I prefer Raidramon though.
Shame none of the armor evolutions not named Fladramon or Magnamon are ever included in games anymore.

>>33503005
>The fact that there are arguments about Pokemon

About their concepts? No. Because Pokemon designs clearly communicate their theme through their evolutionary lines. Digimon don't.

>>33503029
This is like comparing Mew to Zekrom. On top of that you're also comparing anime art to Watanabe's art.

>>33503051
Is this your first day here or have you never been in any of the "animals that aren't pokémon" threads?

>this thread
This is worse than Mariofags getting angry at Sonic games for not being hold right to win, holy shit

>>33503066
>This is like comparing Mew to Zekrom

No it's not, because

1. Mew is weaker than Zekrom
2. Mew's concept requires that it has an extremely basic design
3. Zekrom's design still looks it can aesthetically fit within the same universe as Mew because despite having a huge amount of surface details, its entire body is only one color, making it look relatively simple

Digimon designs are just fucking all over the place regardless of your power levels and you have no real way of telling shit. And in context of themselves they don't even look like they fit in properly.

>On top of that you're also comparing anime art to Watanabe's art.
Stop pretending it matters.

>>33501716
>SEETHING

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1. Both are legendaries. Do you really believe all Ultimate level digimon are equally powerful?
2. Marineangemon is based on the same thing as Manaphy and it has always been described as a digimon that dislikes fighting. There is no reason it should be a brute.
3. As much as the digimon. This image isn't any better or worse than what you posted.
>Digimon designs are just fucking all over the place regardless of your power levels and you have no real way of telling shit.
That sounds like just about every pixie legendary pokémon.

>>33503093
>1. Mew is weaker than Zekrom
>implying evolutionary stages in digimon correlate directly to power
>implying we even have a proper grasp on how strong Mew or Zekrom is

>>33503171
I wish every trio after gen 4 didn't have such vague levels of power.

"oh can control electricity" what are we supposed to take away from that?
What even makes it legendary?
What differentiates it from Raikou or Zapdos?

>>33503151
>1. Both are legendaries.
"Legendary" isn't indicative of power level. Legendaries are just exceedingly rare Pokemon. Fucking Cosmog is a legendary yet it has one of the lowest BSTs in the game. Digimon levels ARE correlated with power level so they should be roughly the same. Unless that's just another inconsistent thing that Digimon fucked up. I wouldn't be surprised.

>2. Marineangemon is based on the same thing as Manaphy
And yet Manaphy actually looks like it fits in with its franchise while Marineangemon doesn't. I wonder why that is.

>3. As much as the digimon. This image isn't any better or worse than what you posted.
No, because they're both simple designs with limited palettes and they fit in the context of other Pokemon. The aesthetic is roughly similar. Digimon in comparison is all over the place.

>>33503171
>>implying evolutionary stages in digimon correlate directly to power
They do.

>>implying we even have a proper grasp on how strong Mew or Zekrom is
Zekrom BST: 680
Mew BST: 600

Zekrom tier: Uber
Mew tier: UU-OU

seems pretty clear to me.

>>33503187
I actually like when the power level is vague. The weather trio and creation trio's godlike levels are a bit much for me. Making the mascot legendaries following them more in line with Lugia and Ho-Oh was a good decision in my opinion.

>>33503227
Are we talking about mechanical or in-universe power level? Please make that clear, because as far as Pokémon is concerned there is very little consistency between the two and Digimon do not have proper mechanical power levels but vary from game to game.
>And yet Manaphy actually looks like it fits in with its franchise while Marineangemon doesn't. I wonder why that is.
Marineangemon doesn't look out of please. You might find it being ultimate level weird but saying it doesn't fit in in its own franchise is absurd.
>No, because they're both simple designs with limited palettes and they fit in the context of other Pokemon.
Funny that you say that. Since many newer pokémon has greater diversity in their color palette, compare Solgaleo to Mewtwo for example. Hell compare Solgaleo to Titamon if you want. Also pokémon has pretty different aesthetics, most of the shit you would say is too different between Marineangemon and Titamon also applies to Mew versus Zekrom.

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>>33503029
If anything there should be more inconsistencies with Digimon designs. I like the fact that there are a few high level Digimon that don't fit the mold, but way too many of them are either cybernetic humanoids or waifus. Marineangemon is an outlier, as opposed to Pokemon where you have a pretty even division between cutesey legendaries and monsters (and said monsters have much more varied designs).

Rookie and Champion designs handle this much better in my opinion. Luckily Cyber Sleuth's "normal" mode is braindead enough to get by with your favorites and one or two broken Digimon, for the most part anyway.

>>33503227
>Digimon levels ARE correlated with power level so they should be roughly the same
They're stages of growth.
just because one digimon is at the ultimate stage doesn't mean another digimon at the child stage can't kick their ass(like with Lucemon and Hackmon who are far above ordinary ultimate levels)

>Zekrom BST: 680
>Mew BST: 600
>Zekrom tier: Uber
>Mew tier: UU-OU
Alright I guess Mega Salamence can go around blowing up universes now because clearly its BST makes it stronger than the creation trio.

>>33501568
Togemon is hideous. Always was to me just less now.
>>33501636
I agree but so are most digifags in /vp/. I have seen. Met tons of good or alright ones other places but not here at all.
>>33501861
Your opinion is calmly stated and respected.
>>33502075
I have a Pokemon bias and hey I will say you are not wrong, like at all. You just either have degenerate taste or did that to intentionally trigger those words. Hard to tell on 4chin.
>>33502387
Mimikyu still looks much better. That thing is super cute though.

>>33503440
Shame N0 didn't include all of CS' digimon. They use the same models for repeating digimon in N0 so obviously they have access to them and they wouldn't be too hard too implement.
340 Digimon in N0 isn't bad, but ~400 would have been excellent.

>>33502770
Literallly just Omegamon: Ow The Edge The "badassest" Edition. They decaying grey and garuru weapons are kind of neat though and did that change the digi text?

>>33503440
Can't wait to see this pic updated when HaMe comes out

>>33502626
And before someone bitches about the English name, remoraid clearly attaches to Mantine like remora do

>>33503005
Luxray by far and I didn't know they nixed armor digimon. Its a stupid thing by they did not have to go away.
>>33503029
The fact that cute little marineangemon has always been that level amuses me.
>>33503093
Fair point.

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Design is neat... gimmick is shit.

>>33503745
Isn't Zygarde more like Shoutmon?

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>>33503611
Alter B is more like the ow the edge version.

This is just the "I couldn't handle the edge and it destroyed me" version

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>>33501053
gardevoir and rosemon are both semen demons if that counts

>>33503151
>Both are legendaries.
Wrong. Mew is a mythical.

>>33503440
>tfw want to play cyber sleuth but they locked my second favorite digimon behind preorder bullshit

>>33504603
Who is your second favorite?
Cherubimon(Vice), Beelzemon BM or anyone from Black Agumon/Gabumon's line?

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>>33504696
Cheribuimon vice

>>33504741
those comparisons seems pretty random to me

>>33504763
They aren't comparsions, they are just my top 3 creatures from each franchise

I-I'm not an edgelord though I swear

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Head-to-head, Pokémon outperforms

>>33504741
I don't care for Sneasel or Darkdramon but otherwise good taste. I'm not familiar with Yugioh.

>>33504777
Sparrowmon is cuter

>>33501441
nigga bite your tongue Gargomon is legit.

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Mega Beedrill

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POST FAVORITE DIGIMON AND GO

>>33504890
B-but you posted him already

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Turtonator

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>>33504890
I'm not dedicated enough to the series to have one true bro for life. Yours is great though, as are pic related's main lines.

>>33504903
good taste lad

>>33504890
>>33504903
You already did, see >>33504741, fantastiac taste anons

>>33504890
I already did earlier >>33502006

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>>33504890
Never got into it, so I'm only familiar with the ones that were featured heavily in the early animations.

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>>33504890
Love the entire Dorumon/Death-X line

>>33501730
>4chan
>CHAN

>>33504890
Hello!

/mon/ when?

>>33501557
That doesn't make them good

Wow this thread makes pokemon fans look like butthurt autistic spergs, good job guys

>>33502770
>literally called Omegamon Black Dick

>>33503029
Calumon is in-training and it trumps all those scrubs. Levels in Digimon don't mean shit, plot armour is all that matters.

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>>33501053
you know i'm not wrong

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Dianamon > any pokephile bait

>>33505346
>Calumon is in-training and it trumps all those scrubs
What? Calumon can't even anything besides empowering other digimon.
The entire point of it is that it gave up the ability to evolve or fight entirely to strengthen others.

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>>33505405
The olympus girls are god tier

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Last one.

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>>33505692
>tfw duel masters died so young

it's a shame, the art is so good. What's vanguard

>>33504856
No that's Vespiquen you retard

>>33505598
if anything it would be a failed champion like
Numemon, sukamon, vegimon, etc.

I hurts me to say it, anons, but this thread kind of makes me wish /mon/ were a thing, even if it were seperate from /vp/.

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Why are Pokemon shitters crying about Trubbish when we had a literal Garbagemon in digimon before trubbish even existed?

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>>33505787

When are we going to get a literal shit Pokemon?

>>33502638

As a Digifag I like Toucannon more.

Mickeybird is just a poorly redesigned Deramon.

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Claydol

>>33505725
Another Japanese CCG. Pretty fun, but not much of a community outside of Japan - but unilke Duel Masters, it still exists out here. The three pictured units are Frenzy Emperor Dragon, Gaia Desperado; Death Star-vader, "Omega Loop" Glendios; and Claret Sword Dragon. Claret would probably be higher up if I could actually afford to build a deck around him.

>>33505813
What is Grimer/Muk.

>>33505547
I hate this. I hate this so much.
>Charizard's line as Digimon is just Charizard with Greymon bits
Fuck off.
Agumon's line is about an ancient monster adapting to survive. Greymon's weird head thing is actually a shell ripped from a rhinoceros beetle to use as battle armor. MetalGreymon is basically Greymon crudely adapting to technological warfare.
Meanwhile, Charmander is a fire-breathing lizard that becomes more aggressive and learns to fly.

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>>33505957
Grimer and Muk are blobs of toxic sludge, not poop. Their closest Digimon equivalents may be either Numemon (literally slime with eyes) or Raremon (a Digimon that tried enhancing itself with technology but instead destroyed its own DNA structure and mutated into this horrible undead corpse-like thing instead).

>>33505269
When some other franchise gets as iconic as Pokémon, ie never

>>33505269
It won't. Pokemon has essentially killed the genre, not by ruining it, but by becoming so overwhelmingly popular that no other franchise can provide a better alternative.
Yokai-Watch is the closest thing possible right now, and it's only a serious contender in Japan, while it's just sorta stumbling around everywhere else.
Digimon had a few good console games statewide, but without anything else to back it up, it doesn't have much momentum outside of dedicated fans.
Tamagotchi is dead in the US, but still big in Japan and celebrating its 20th anniversary.

>>33505900
Isn't Duel Masters still around? I remember fairly vividly that some anime season got a decent amount of coverage in CoroCoro a year ago or so.

>>33505960
>Greymon's weird head thing is actually a shell ripped from a rhinoceros beetle to use as battle armor

source?

>>33506095
http://digimon.net/cat-digimon-dictionary/02-ka/greymon-first/index.html

>>33506086
Pokemon/Digimon/SMT/MonHun would be enough to support a board.

>>33505992
I would say Raremon is the best alternative by far. Numemon and all related species are too slug-like.
>>33505960
I think the skull is only said to have become beetle-like, not actually stolen from a beetle. But yeah, most of the features the line gain have to do with adapting. Not that there aren't other Digimon that literally steal their shit, like Zudomon wearing an Archelomon shell.

>>33506116
Pokémon alone is enough to support a board, albeit barely.
I fear that pokémon threads would eclipse the other franchises and threads dedicated to them would either end up as flamewars between different fans or eventually devolve into generals.

>>33505269
fuck off with this shitty idea

>>33506108
is there a site that has all of these translated?

>>33506153
wikimon.net should have them.

>>33506132
>Not that there aren't other Digimon that literally steal their shit, like Zudomon wearing an Archelomon shell.
my favorite example of this is Gabumon stealing some poor wolf digimon's pelt so it can be a furry

>>33502770
Just take a look at how detailed and well-crafted this pokedigi is, the anatomy is done well, unlike the lions, this thing is it's own original being, the pokedigi lions are just that, lions, compared to a lion IRL the hips are indeed displaced, but you cannot compare this specific creature to anything IRL so technically it has perfect anatomy while pokedigi lions don't.

>>33506195
>this thing is it's own original being
I think you're being a bit too generous here. Omegamon Zwart D is a physically and mentally broken Omegamon Zwart who is itself a recolor of Omegamon.

>>33502213
Actually, pokemon do change what animal they're based on between evolutions, mainly to prevent the "it just gets bigger" meme

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>>33506220
and no one is happy

>>33502770
Why am I bleeding at look this pic?

>>33506256
because you can feel Omegamon's suffering

>>33506241
No one here is truly happy with anything, ever
>plz release new features for U-S/M
>ZOMG it's not my competitive bullshit, it's photo features aimed at kids, it's almost as if this game was aimed at children! how dare they!?
>when pokemon evolve they just get bigger!
>why did they changed the species of my pokemon after it evolved, GF are retards!

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>>33503935
>Rosemon
>Semen Demon
>When Lillithmon is literally the Demon of Lust

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>>33504890
It's not Gatomon

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>>33506377
Digimon has a lot of good semen demons.

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>unironically thinking pokemon have better designs when masterpieces like these exist
this is the absolute state of /vp/

>>33506337
Thank god Cyber Sleuth was designed with the older fanbase in mind.

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>tfw this could've been a /mon/ board just for stuff like Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, Yokai Watch, DQJ and SMT
There would be dumb fanbase wars but that sounds mighty comfy

>>33505992
>the poop thing
I was just joking, anon.

>>33501457
Way to out yourself as a furry, been staring at this image for 5 minutes and don't see anything anatomically wrong with it

>>33506220
They generally, usually stick within the "family" of their source of inspiration. This family can be species, genera, items, abstract shit, etc. It can be sometimes vague, however, especially with cases such as the Pikipek line's in which very few people seem to realize that woodpeckers and toucans are closely related.

>>33501053
I wish more pokemon had digimon-esque designs. Love the more humanoid slutmons, and animal+guns designs. The ultra beasts from gen 7 are some of my favourite pokemon designs, as they have a lot of details and look like actual monsters.

>>33503029
This! Thank you very much.

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If Pokémon looked anything like this, I would have dropped the franchise like a hot potato on day one.

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They're all supposed to be dog/rabbit mixtures, at least up to mega. Rabbit parts aside, Rapidmon is loosely based on a poodle.