Post neat alternate designs

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.>those
>good

>>33488504
>owl
I wanna fug that thing
>tiger
I wanna use that thing in battle
>seal
I want that thing to fug me

>>33488513
I think the decidueye is pretty mediocre but Inceneroar looks fucking great.

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>>33488504
>>33488513
member

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>>33488714

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>>33488513
>Decidueye
>Good

- Barely a grass type, my mom's owl in a grass cowl. What does it even leaf blade with? Its ass feathers?
- An even worse ghost type, no ghost features whatsoever.
- Nonsensical bow and arrow, literally not functional without detaching its wing. Tries justifying it with "magic" arrows, except if they're magic why do they need the bow? The definition of overdesigned.
- Can't fly while using its weapon, same problem as Samurott's quadruped swords.

Objectively a shit design.

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>>33488504

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>>33488732
im still mad

>>33488730
Objectively shit taste.

>>33488683
why are they black?

>>33488754
Nice "argument." Typical brainlet owlcuck response.

>>33488786
i don't know

>>33488730
You do realize the ghost typing is because it's based on an extinct type of owl and because owls are seen as supernatural, right?

>>33488786
>black

>>33488795
Alrighty then

>>33488730
>Barely a grass type, my mom's owl in a grass cowl. What does it even leaf blade with? Its ass feathers?
Most grass types that aren't just plants are just animal+some leaves. Decidueye is about as grass type as Meganium, Sceptile, Serperior and Chesnaught

>An even worse ghost type, no ghost features whatsoever.
It's an owl, commonly associated with spirits in mythology (including Hawaiian mythology)

>Nonsensical bow and arrow, literally not functional without detaching its wing.
So it's a slingbow. Who cares? Half of all anatomy in pokemon is not functional. How does Buizel's tail spin?

>Can't fly while using its weapon
Why does it need to? It's not even a flying type anymore. It doesn't primarily fly when fighting, and when it is flying, it uses kicks.

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LONG

LIVE

BALLIO

>>33488844
Half the fucking Pokemon in the game are based on extinct animals. The supernatural thing is bullshit. Prior to gen 7 ghosts were either mostly non-solid or a haunted object, it's gen 7 that ruined it with "my mom's animal with arbitrary ghost powers." It's objectively lazier than designing it to actually convey ghostliness visually.

>>33488844
That's not why it's ghost type.

>>33488844
>extinct owl
Never got this. Tropius isn't a ghost type, so why does that matter?
The supernatural shit, sure. But then why isn't Ninetales a ghost type?

>>33488513
>dinosaur owl on the bottom left of the left image
Holy fuck I want it

>>33488875
Not today.

>>33488866
Serperior is a garbage design too. Not something to use as a standard. The others all have more plant features, plants incorporated deeper into their design.
Fuck off with the mythology, it's lazy, see >>33488886
Who said Buizel's tail is good design? No, most Pokemon have more functional anatomy than Decidueye.
Why does it need to have a bow that's so poorly constructed it would be better off throwing the arrows? Which it could also do mid-flight. Almost like it's a bad design.

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>>33488875
Not this time

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>>33488730
>Barely a grass type, my mom's owl in a grass cowl. What does it even leaf blade with? Its ass feathers?
Fuck off Florges, and watch some pokken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3mEo3qkNOM
>An even worse ghost type, no ghost features whatsoever.
>>33488844
>Tries justifying it with "magic" arrows, except if they're magic why do they need the bow?
Yeah, magic, and the bow is obviously for projecting them at better speed, force and precision compared to the moves of others plebmons.
>Can't fly while using its weapon, same problem as Samurott's quadruped swords.
First of all, it's based on exctincted owls that nearly or can't fly (See Cuban, Cretan, Tyto)
Then, it's not the same, only the mobility matter, nigga can still move correctly while using his arrow compared to that dumb Samurott.
It's a cool additional weapon to its arsenal that doesn't do any arm based of the design and what's behind it.

Decidueye is a good design, one the best of gen 7, deal with it faggot.

>>33489035
>defending shit this hard

Get over it. You're defending an overdesigned, nonsensical mess. Go cry on tumblr for your special snowflake "owl".

>>33489035
because decidueye is a fakemon

>>33489075
Either it is overdesigned or you just have shit taste in Pokemon designs.

>>33489035
What am I looking for exactly? It just leaf blades with its wings, which have no leaves? Amazing design, bravo John Gamefreak.
>33488844
see >>33488886
But it's magic, the bow is just unnecessary. And the bow's shit design would be worse than just throwing it. Just look at Water Shuriken, which has increased priority.
Except it can fly, you dumb cuck. It learns Roost, it flies in its Z-move, it even has flight in your precious Pokken like Charizard. It's a completely pointless addition that hinders it.

>>33488930
>plants incorporated deeper into their design.
means literally nothing.

>most Pokemon have more functional anatomy than Decidueye.
Most pokemon wouldn't even be able to walk

>it would be better off throwing the arrows?
Because it's better at withdrawing it than throwing? I just said it's a slingbow

Which it could also do mid-flight.
That doesn't even make sense.

>Serperior is a garbage design
>Who said Buizel's tail is good design?
Wow, you really do have shit taste.

>>33489035
NOODLE WINGS

>>33489119
Watch the owlcucks rush to try to prove you wrong.

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>thread doomed from the beginning because the OP was an idiot and used starters for the OP image
t-thanks

>>33488930
For Serperior it makes sense because it's based on French royalty and the leaves and Grass typing is a reference to plant designs in European architecture.

>>33489035
I don't think the gameplay helps your case at all, Decidueye completely freezes in mid air while using the bow. I don't think this should be considered an issue, though. I really don't care.

>>33489121
It means the grass type wasn't an afterthought, faggot. Sceptile has plant features all over it, Chesnaught's entire design is based on an emerging chestnut. Even Meganium's head and neck are the flower's stamen, it doesn't just have petals slapped on with no reference to any particular plant.
Wrong on walking, even the shitty anime has plausible walking animations. Even by Pokemon's low standards of realism, Decidueye fails.
If it's strong enough to draw a bow it's strong enough to throw. And throwing would be stronger than using a shitty bow.
Flinging its wing quickly in midair still lets it whirl back into flight. Drawing a bow does not.
>defending a shit design by defending other shit designs, without actually defending their flaws
Owlcucks really are the lowest common denominator.

>>33488504
you know popplio's balloons are made of snot right

that popplio3 would be even more gross than muk

>>33489148
What the fuck does French royalty have to do with actual plants? It's a forced design element. It doesn't even have actual vines, just squiggly lines painted on it. Its only actual plant features are a couple of leaves scattered about. It's a shitty grass type as a result.

>>33489182
Holy shit you murdered them. I don't know how they can come back from this.

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>>33489202
>What the fuck does French royalty have to do with actual plants?

>>33489232
I said actual plants, not just plant imagery. Why would you make a plant creature that barely has any actual plant elements?

>>33488504

I have never seen a quadruped incineroar that is better than incineroar, and I don't even like incineroar that much. Quadruped starters are always the worst anyway.

>>33488513
He never said they were good. He said post "neat" designs.

Your post is neither neat nor good. Fuck off.

>>33489182
>Sceptile has plant features all over it
Slapped all over it you mean

>Chesnaught's entire design is based on an emerging chestnut
It fails to even look like a chestnut

>Meganium's head and neck are the flower's stamen
No, the antennas are stamen. The head and neck are just a head and neck. It's a collar of petals, no different than a hood of leaves.

>plausible walking animations
Often times on pokemon with no kneecaps, or legs too small to support the body, or heads to big to even stand. Or, in for example dragonite's case, wings too small to fly

>If it's strong enough to draw a bow it's strong enough to throw.
That's not how it works.

And I just said it doesn't need to shoot arrows while flying.

>>33489212
That's really fucking pathetic mate. At least contribute to the discussion.

>>33489253
And what exactly is the problem of basing a grass type on plant imagery?

>>33489253
Don't you know what ivy is?

>Plants need the sun in order to grow
>"Let's make it based on a nocturnal animal!"

>>33489316
A lot of grass types are nocturnal, like oddish and fomantis. The idea is they soak up sunlight during the day and move around at night.

>>33489292
Sceptile is a play on a leaf tailed gecko. It grows into a cross between a lizard and coniferous tree, with plant features poised as weapons. Chesnaught's plant features are also intrinsic to its theme. What fucking plant is Decidueye? None, it's a fucking owl with some green feathers.
No, dipshit, the entire head portion is arranged like a flower. If the petals were just strewn about it body with no reference to a plant, it would be like Decidueye.
There are lots of heavy animals with relatively small legs. Physiques aren't that simple. And the difference is that limbs are largely integral to movement, whereas the bow is an extraneous feature. If you can't bother doing it right, don't do it at all. No person with an ounce of taste defends Dragonite.
That is how it works. Pulling a bow requires lots of strength, and both of its previous forms focus on throwing leaves like knives. It's only the third form that changes its technique into an impractical mess.
It's not that it doesn't need to, it's that it can't, which makes it impractical compared to throwing. Just another reason why it's pointless.

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....Going back to the original topic

>>33489442
For Decidueye, isn't it's hood made of leaves? Are you aware of the fact that the plant theme for the Rowlet line are leaves?

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>>33489486
NO

Won't the Bara furries ever fuck off for good? I hope the tranny seal gets to be in Smash 5 or Pokken.

>>33489534
What the fuck does a hood have to do with plants?

>>33489543
It shields an owl's eyes while it gains energy from the sun.
Actually, are we even sure the grass is part of Decidueye? What if it was a symbiotic relationship this whole time?

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>We never got a Grass/Ground Owlbear Rowlett evo.

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>>33489538
Question, how autistic are you

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>pic related
Jesus fuck time has passed

I wish Litten's evolution focused more on the oil on it's fur. Would've been cool to have Fire/Poison as a starter, but we got the fucking lizard for that typing

>>33489564
This makes no fucking sense. The only plant part of Decidueye are its leaves, why the fuck would my mom's owl underneath be solar powered? The hood is just a robin hood thing, which has nothing to do with plants. It could be made of regular feathers and its core theme would be unchanged. You can't say the same for the other starters, i.e. tree lizard, flower dinosaur, chestnut glyptodon, etc.

>>33489543
You just have no imagination do ya?

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>>33489620
The absolute state of owlcucks

>just imagine that it's a good design

>>33489610
Doesn't Decidueye have vines on the orange leaf on it's chest to use as drawstrings?

>>33489626
To fire magic ghost arrows. Again, this has nothing to do with plants, and being "magical" makes the bow part redundant. Its primary grass offense is leaf blade, and it has no leaves to use it with. If at least its wingtips were leaves it would be somewhat defensibly, but it's just so ill-conceived as both a grass and ghost type.

>>33489586
more than (You) ezeneca.

>>33489651
I can say the ghost typing is more something to do with an owl's silent, stealthy hunting abilities. Also, where did it say about the arrows being "magic"?

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These are pretty neat, but the way they're drawn look like they belong in different game.

>>33489624
I'm not referring to just Decidueye. It also applies to the other 2 Alola starters.

>>33489145
>it just gets lumpier

>>33489688
I dont hate greninja but I really wanted the bubble motif to stay. I love tho old sage toad look of this one

>>33489690
They angle in different directions mid-flight and trap you by your shadow. They're ghost magic. Not to mention its Z-move. It only uses them in a supernatural capacity.

Stealth =/= spectral. Lots of mons are described as stealthy hunters. Like I said, ghosts were spectral before gen 7, now they're just animals with shadow powers slapped on, because that's easier than designing things thematically.

>>33489698
Don't like the leotard on the seal, cat is pretty boring.
Owl is cool, but I'd like it more if the mask was fused more with the head rather than looking like just a mask. Also that Xatu did the totem bird thing before it, but I like this design as well.

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>>33489701
>just imagine that Alola starters have good designs
You're not helping your case.

Thread nearly derailed by angry anti-owl cuck.

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>>33489754
>Blind Salamander Swampert

>>33489737
C'mon, the Alola starter designs aren't bad. Not the best sure, but they have personality put into them. :/

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>inb4 literally conkeldurr

>>33488513
>What are the johto starters

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>>33489698
tiki owl is great, other two are meh
>>33489782
that gumshoos is lovely
>>33489806
>yfw male salandit are super rare in USM and they evolve into male salazzle but the females don't
I like salazzle, but salandit deserved more

>>33489801
the best starters

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Just like how B.lio and co were killed

by Waifu Money

>>33488875
lol, how did anyone believe these were real?

>>33489725
Don't be stubborn, at least I'm being reasonable.

>>33489782
Why the fuck didn't they give Komala an evo in the first place? Oddest example of 1-stage mon that could've used an evolution.
>>33489806
This should've been a thing too. Females could be special oriented whereas males are more physical.

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>>33489782
the hawaiian "shirt" on the middle komola evo is a bit on the nose, but I like the design.

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Never ever......

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>>33488732
>>33488744
Any better?

>>33488513
Ok sure, but the magician owl in the bottom right of the "bad" side does exactly what the text under Decidueye says

>>33489932
>literally my mom's Ganon

>>33488930
>No, most Pokemon have more functional anatomy than Decidueye.
no they don't

half of all the terrestrial pokemon are missing knees and shit. machoke and machamp are among the most human like and they don't have abs. somehow bulbasaur being full of razor sharp leaves and squirtle containing millions of gallons of highly pressurized water but decidueye is the bizarre one? really?

fuck off, retard

>>33489513
Ugh. Why not this. This concept, not necessarily this design

Am I the only one that is fine with the Alola starters designs of what they are?

>>33490066
Getting some Gurren Lagann vibes here.

>>33490100
Incineroar could have been better but I do like the other two.

>>33490100
I do wish Decidueye didn't suffer from the redundant bow that's been pointed out in the thread, but I love all three regardless.

>>33490037
Squirtle doesn't have some kind of retarded water catapult contraption on its shell. That would be excessive and redundant, which is the problem with the bow. And structurally it's so far removed from the thing it's based on there's no reason to force it in the first place.

>>33490154
it's still ugly as sin, it just looks like it has actual trash in it now, instead of rock candy.

>>33488724
I like this one a lit.

>>33490054
Kek
>>33490081
This is how it should've been. Not combee 2.0

>>33490122
Don't care for the Cloister.
But that zombie Slowbro...
I need that to be a real form.

>>33490196
Pretty cool

>>33489893
>lava vomit
Makes me laugh every time

>>33490234
as long as the mouth starts at the cleft in the lips, instead of under the muzzle.

>>33490183
Decidueye is supposed to be based on an archer. I'm not being an owlcuck, I'm just pointing something out.

>>33490244
thank you!

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>>33489806
>tfw you have a shiny salandot male and you can't even evolve him into something neat like this

i wonder what the shiny would've looked like if he'd been able to evolve.

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>>33490272

Massive fucking improvement. Having the eyes be visible was a mistake.

>>33490259
And Serperior is french royalty. Doesn't make it a good design or a good plant monster (nor ghost in owl's case)

>>33490304
No, but the design at least makes sense on Serperior at least.

>>33490297
I'm not sure I like the literal ice tusks, but otherwise fuck yes.

>>33490312
>tattoo
it is a pokemon. it doesn't have tattoos. Asymmetry is retarded.

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>>33490319

Apparently its tusks actually are literally made of ice, according to pokedex entries, they just don't look like it.

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>>33490342
I've actually never raised a Mamoswine because I didn't like the look of it, so I never knew that. huh.

>>33490446
ha ha how fertile do you think fertle is

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could be a branch evo or something, I've no qualms with Magnezone. But if three Magnemite make a Magneton, then three Magneton should make something else.

>>33490581
>>33490598
i don't know whom this artist is but his edits/fakemons are kino

>>33490099
>speedy Ground/Ice with Icicle Crash and Arena Trap

>>33490328
c-cute!

>>33489955
No they didn't. They just saw the bowtie on rowlet and went
>HAHA! bowtie = magician! xD
and then proceeded to make the most unsubtle shitty design possible.

>>33490937
>Bowtie=Magician!

Fucking
What? Am I missing something?
Do magicians only wear bowties? Now, if you said
>Hurr durr, it's got a fucking bow, so it's wearing a suit... You know who else wears suits? Magicians!
That'd be a better way of saying it, but even then, I'm not sure that constitutes a bad design.
Also, I'd argue that the description on the left doesn't always mean the design is bad. Turtwig is pretty much that verbatum, but Torterra is a great Pokemon design, IMO.

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>>33490328

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>>33490974
>>33490937

IIRC it was a combination of the bowtie and throwing feathers like daggers, leading some people to think they were going with a circus performer / knife thrower theme.

>>33490375
>it just gets wider
Way to take everything that makes Electivire an interesting design away from it.

Did the angry anti-owlcuck relent now?

>>33491147
>owlfags still buttblasted, still can't defend their shitty design
Sad!

>>33491153
Decidueye isn't even that bad. It's actually kind of cool and I'm not even an owlcuck.

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>>33488942
>purplekecleon meme
kys buddy

>>33491471
who

>>33491522
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/melanie-herring-purplekecleon-pk-papayakitty-glitchedpuppet-floraverse.5567/

>>33491527
sum it up for me

>>33491402
God fucking damn it.

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I like Tylocaust.

>>33491459
>>33490446
I love shit like this. Anymore from other gens?

>>33488875
Balio is as dead as most of the golden girls are. He was never alive and will never be.

>>33488504
>Post neat alternate designs
>neat
Why didn't you follow your own suggestion?

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>>33490099
>making a mountain out of a mole(hill)

>>33488546
Fucking furfag

ITT:owlcucks still in denial get btfo by based logic anon

>>33492471
The Incineroar in the OP

>>33488730
Since day one this guy had been complaining about owl design from a fantasy child game. Just get a life.

Apparently ur opinion is not shared by the majority.


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe5AzkD1-1vMoaYxekOYGvMadRnLKyLPwwqBhtWa1SGeldzbw/viewanalytics

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/210930-pokemon-ultra-sun/75716804

>>33492639
>muh ad populum

Learn to debate underage.

>>33490112

I'm in love with that articuno

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>>33490037
Machamp has abs. Machoke doesn't

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>>33491838

>>33491053
NE looks like Wurmple

>>33492946
>>33492942
>>33492938
Perfect.

>>33492938
>>33492942
>>33492946
These are pretty good. Feraligatr needs work, though. The hands look like shit and the snowflake is unnecessary.

Typhlosion also looks a little too evil, it's not a Dark type. Get rid of the horns.

Meganium is perfect, objectively better than the normal design.

>>33490297
>>33490272
these are gr8

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Anyone seen the final evolutions yet?

>>33493072
Not released yet

>>33489232
That's Florence symbol, not French shit

>>33490044
>Fairy/Fire sundeer
I want it

>>33489806
>>33490066
>>33490099
>>33490297
these are all great

>>33490244
crazy how much game freak fucked up the one we got. this looks so much better.

>>33491459
venusaur 10/10, others are digimon

>>33493188
>bowser, african lizard and tentaquil

>>33493251
YES !

>>33493206
>>33493220
I do love variations, it would have been a smarter way to add diversity to Pokemon without having to further inflate the number of existing mons.

That said I tend to favor when variations are based more on environmental conditions and breeding specific traits in Pokemon.
Variations where it's just two Pokemon mashed together doesn't do it for me, the exception being when it's two Pokemon who can breed in-game.

It would be interesting if over breeding could lead to some detrimental abilities.

>>33493315
Fern looks great.
Marimo looks goofy, but in a great way.

>>33493243
>>33493230
>>33493220
cute

>>33493251
>ability: Guts
nice

>>33488504
A quadrupedal fire type would have been refreshing

>>33489513
I wanted this so bad, I thought litleo was going to be the manticore pokemon.

>>33489766
toucannon is awesome tho.

>>33489597
Time flies when you're a faggot

>>33493072
fairy/rock brionne is cute! CUTE!

>>33493298
why would standard be europe and not NA?
who the fuck designed this

>>33491471
get out underage

>>33488744
>not loving tepig for what it is and caring about the evolutions on any starter.

>>33495089
so what you're saying is you should stay faithful to tepig?

>>33490213
blitzle looks so much better than zebstrika
how did they fuck that up

>>33492942
that bayleef is bae

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>>33495425
>Priority +1
>Always makes the target flinch
jesus christ how terrifying

I was about to say Bullet Punch/Bullet punch but that ability.

There are also no Pokemon immune to rock moves. This is pretty much a one trick pony, the only thing that can really counter it that hard is something with steadfast.

>>33490466
I was hoping this would pop up in this thread. 10/10

>>33489768
They are worse than gen 6 starters
I didn't think that was possible, but they did it.

>>33495425
Stupid overpowered move. Absolute nonsense.

>>33488504
>She

>>33496207
How so?

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>>33495259

Blitzle is awful.

>>33496384
Gen 6's starters had some potential, but they all became too humanoid, which I wouldn't mind if only one of them became humanoid, but all of them becoming humanoid is bland and uninteresting, and I've never liked humanoid pokemon anyways so that didn't help
Gen 7 is a repeat of gen 6, except they are way more humanoid, and I know it's a meme, but they all look like fursuits, and I hate it.

>>33488703
Alot better then the scum we actually got.

>>33495259
Shit opinion. Zebrstrika saved the line by removing the goofy ass aesthetic Blitzle had.

Do you people ever calm down?

>>33496485
Ironically Primarina is the most animalistic of the three despite based on a humanoid creature followed by Decidueye and Incineroar(If it was more hunched over it'd be in second)

>>33490186
Take that back

>>33489932
This made me hate Emboar even more, Loved it.

>>33496485
>Gen 7 is a repeat of gen 6, except they are way more humanoid
How are they more humanoid ?
Gen 6 have as much human clothes on them as the Gen 7 starters, Incineroar is the only one that is truly humanoid, but tiger and cats are fully capable to stand/walk/fight on two legs unlike foxes, frogs, or weird looking armadillos.

If anything Gen 6 are way more anthropomorphized animals than Gen 7.

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>>33492938
>>33492942
>>33492946
Holy fuck that Chicorita line is cute as hell

>>33490066
Thats fucking Heihachi

>>33492946
>tips invisible fedora

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>>33488504

>>33498624
In the past 11 years we've only gotten 2 quadrupedal final starter evos. I don't really hate any design but I'd like a bit more diversity

>>33498912
I was gonna call you out for being wrong but fuck -- you're absolutely correct. Jesus, Gamefreak, fix your shit.

>>33499003
>>33498912
The irony is that the one starter we wanted to stay bipedal didn't.

>>33489597
I remember this shit was on the front page of serebii

>>33489651
wingtips=dried out dead leaves, like a Ghost type

>>33499391
wtf i love sylveon now

>>33488513
no matter what happens someone will always find a way to complain about it.

it just gets bigger
>so uncreative and bland

it has unexpected design elements
>where did those come from this design sucks because it didnt keep its prevos design elements

>>33489932
nice bara bait

>>33488786
Black is hot

>>33488513
I just noticed that Decidueye grabs one of it's hood strings to use as the string for it's bow.

And, in general, Decidueye's concept is 10/10 but it's actual art just doesn't match up. Especially the feathers.

>>33488763
fuck this is so much better

>>33490196
Much better

>>33500196
>Generic grassbird

I'll admit, the art is higher quality than Decidueye, but the design itself is mediocre. The only thing it has going for it is the leaf tailfeathers

>>33500230
>see +steelix
>remember that rich piana is dead

Fuck you, I didn't come here for feels

>>33496578
Wrong