>everyone talks about how ugly emboar or Inceniroar are but

>>33483782
Difference here is that Venusaur is based on a ugly animal, you can't fuck it up much. Boars should look intimidating but Emboar looks like a fucking obese piece of garbage and Incineroar is a fucking furfag instead of a majestic/badass tiger that will tear your little wimpy owl/seal ass to shreds. If they made those a boar/tiger with a bunch of fire they would've been 100x better than they are now. Decidushit would've been irrelevant if Litten became a badass tiger but alas, had to pick the nerd owl because Incineroar is too hard to look at.

>>33483796
What do you believe Venusaur is based off?

>>33483796
It's the muscles, isn't? at least in Incineroar's case

>>33483782
Venusaur looks like a creature. Incinishit and Embore are shameless bara bait.

Literally is just get bigger.

>>33483803
Gen 1 starters are mixes of animals, Charizard is a Lizard and a Dragon, Blastoise is a mix of Turtle and Tortoise and Venusaur is a mix of toad (hence the ugly warts) and dinosaurs. And you know those aren't really the most pretty animals out there.

>>33483782
>Fat, squat toad with cat ears and a flowering bromeliad jammed into its back.

Yea, I guess it is pretty ugly and weird looking.

>>33483823
So somehow blastoise and charizard came out looking fine? I don't buy it you genwunner

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>>33483829
Dragons and Lizards are pretty badass and Charizard is simply the best design out of the three and last time i've seen one Turtles weren't covered in warts or hideously obese.
So tell me, would you hug this thing? Is this appealing to look at? Toads are fucking ugly, fat and disgusting and Venusaur shows that well enough. The design does what nature intended.

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>>33483851
Yes I would hug a toad

probably because it looks like a monster and not a human wearing a fursuit.

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>>33483851
>Toads are ugly
U wot m8?

>>33483851
>Charizard is the best designed out of the three Kanto Starters.

Damn right it is.
As ugly as Venusaur is, I still like it more than Blastoise.

Venusaur isn't ugly, it just GameFreak's staff of artists are a bunch of amateurs who don't know how to draw it well.

http://imgur.com/a/hQbpE

Everyone can do Venusaur than them (check link for reference).

>>33483955

better than them*

>>33483829

That's because Ken Sugimori hates Venusaur. He said it himself in an interview that Venu is his least favorite pokemon.

Everything bad about Venusaur is because Ken Sugimori always being ass when designing it, which explains why he got a shitty mega design as well.

>>33483977
Now I kinda feel bad for it

But no normal person gives a fuck about ugly Smogonsaur.

>>33483993

Too bad for you, a lot of people do. As ugly as it is, it proved itself to be among the best mons across the 7 generations, something only few pokemon like Starmie and Gengar hold such status. Unlike Charizard, Blastoise and most of the other starters.

Of course, I'm not talking about kids and casuals here.

>>33484012
>I'm not talking about kids and casuals here
Yeah, that's why I called him Smogonsaur. Because only nerds and autists praise him for being competitive.

He is still the least favorite starter from Gen 1.

>>33483977
Got a link?

>>33484100

Nice, now everybody who play competitive is called a nerd and autists.

what kind of low shit you are?

>>33484131

here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129435-Pokemon-Art-Director-Wants-to-Simplify-Pokemon-Designs

>>33483782
It's a freaking toad what do you expect

>>33484100

>He is still the least favorite starter from Gen 1.

So because he's the least popular we all should hop on Venusaur hate bandwagon and never like it?.

seriously kill yourself, you are a waste of oxygen degenerate.

Veusaur is not ugly

>>33483782
Reminder that this fat frog is faster than almost all of Alola's Pokemon

>>33484253
That's because it's a froggo with the hippity hops, it's still ugly though.

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These are the only starters I can think of that people consider ugly, and personally I think Delphox looks the worst follwed by emboss&venusaur. I never understood the Inceniroar hate I dont think it looks bad at all, granted a bit humanoid but we've had things like Mr mime since gen 1

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Hope they hire a new artist and redesign Venusaur to be like a proper dinosaur, like in the Electric Tale manga.

>>33484386
As badass as that looks it would just look so off compared to the other gen 1 starters. Unless they all had a look like that in that manga?

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>>33484397

It's been a while, I don't remember seeing Blastoise in that manga. But Charizard looked the same.

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Also to be fair, the Pokemon Adventure's Venusaur is also looks great and much better than Sugimori's rendition.

Sadly, Gamefreak still hasn't decided to give Venusaur a break to make it looks a less-ugly in their world

This is Sugimoris least favorite Pokemon
while gengar is his favorite

>>33484432
Gengar looks rad as fuck my man

>>33483851
>It's a "It's ugly because the thing it's based off is ugly! So you can't criticize it!" episode

Now Venusaur along with it's Gen 1 sprite are ugly.

>>33484593
Gengar is too simplistic for me tastes.

>>33483851
Ivysaur isn't ugly so I don't see how its okay for Venusaur to be the same thing but worse and ugly as shit

>>33484691
>Sugimori hates Venusaur

FUCKING SEALFUCKER!!!

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>>33484182
>>33484236
Spotted the butthurt Venutards.

>>33484719

what a manchild lol

>>33483821
Nope, that's Typhlosion

>>33483782
Emboar and Inceniroar are ugly because they're shitty designs. Venusaur is just ugly because it's based on a toad.

>Butthurt because most people don't share my opinions on Emboar and Incineroar
>let's talk shit about a Pokemon that I don't like because life is unfair towards my favorite mons

The irony is even though Venusaur is designed to be ugly monster, most people here disagree with you OP and they even think Venu looks good so deal with it and try to live with that.

>>33483782
I love Bulbasaur and Ivysaur, Venusaur is very disappointing.

Has anyone seen any cool 'alternate Venusaur' designs?

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>>33484926

>Has anyone seen any cool 'alternate Venusaur' designs?

The Venusaur in Pokemon Adventure and Pokemon Electric Tale of Pikachu are the best alternatives.

Also, might just be me, but I think Niantic/Pokemon Go's Venusaur is really cute.

And there's Colosseum/XD/PBR model of Venusaur which is awesome as well.

>>33484967
Yeah, these are great.

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>>33484926
>Has anyone seen any cool 'alternate Venusaur' designs?
Anything that fixes the short legs, super broad face and those weird leaf bangs will probably look good enough.

>>33484361

>Incineroar above anything.

Shit taste is real

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Venusaur is thicc

>>33483977
Ken Sugimori says he doesn't like it because it's the hardest to draw. He also says he likes Gengar because it's the easiest to draw.

That's the only reason.

>>33485047
Sugimori is a hack.

>>33485047

Maybe true. Also here's a fun fact. In his own book, Charizard and Blastoise appeared in X/Y artworks section while Venusaur never appeared in any.

Also during one of the recent Masuda interviews on youtube, a concept artwork of future plaza place for USUM appeared showing the protagonist, Charizard, Blastoise, Eevee, Pikachu but no Venusaur.

Yes there's always a bias against Venusaur, even at Gamefreak.

>>33485047
People here keep saying this but I've never once seen a source

>>33485088

The source was posted here >>33484186

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>>33485037

>>33485093
That may just mean he likes simple designs, though. It's a reason Venusaur is his least favourite, but it doesn't change the fact that it's his least favourite.

>>33485107

What episode?

>>33485130
It's from the first movie

>>33485111

Yeah and it's clearly that he doesn't put much effort or love while doing Venusaur.

What makes me wonder is since he doesn't like it why didn't he make it simpler for his tastes? did somebody force him to make it overdesigned?

Ken Sugimori went for a design that he himself dislikes which is weird.

>>33484100
Reasons to dislike a pokemon according to retarded anon:
>It's good in competitive.
>Being unpopular.

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>>33485107

>>33485156
I think it may be a case where they already had Ivysaur and Bulbasuar ready but didn't know or think beforehand what to do with their evolution. This is just speculation though.

>>33485162
You upset, Smogontard?

I bet you mastrubate to the Baracat.

>>33484100

I feel sorry for your parents to have you as a kid honestly.

Am I weird for not hating any Pokemon?

>>33485178
Baracat is shit in competitive though?

>>33485178
Incineroar is bad in competitive though

Only weirdos and furries like Incineroar.

>>33485189
>>33485191
Oh well, I mistook him for the Tranny seal in term of competitiveness.

>>33485200
What's wrong with being a weirdo, huh?

>>33485232
Yes there is. Fucking kill yourself. Earth wants its wasted atoms back.

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>>33484361
>Venusaur ever considered ugly

This opinion has never been widely shared in the slightest. This thread is the first concentration of people commenting on Venusaur aesthetics in forever. People don't hate on Venusaur because the guy has a look going for it that doesn't necessarily tries to ne thos cool edgy Pokemon, but is still pleasing to look at. Of the three OG starters, it is considered the #1 bromon and that is saying a lot more than any comment in this thread combined could.

>>33485253
I didn't say there was nothing wrong with being a weirdo. I asked what was wrong with that, which, by the way, you failed to answer.
Also, atoms cannot be wasted, and even if they could, the earth does not care either way, as it is an inanimate object. Stop anthroing the earth.

>>33484186
>The less effort it takes, the more he likes it

Sums up GF pretty nicely. Fucks sake, to judge a Pokemon based on those merits should be insulting for someone with his profession.

>>33485262

Bless you

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>>33483782
Is not the same
>venasaur is ugly but has good design
>emboar and inceniroar are ugly and has bad design

>>33485262
>>33485450
>venushit
>good design
Fucking lol

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>>33483782
>all this Charizardfag hating on based Venusaur
/vp/ is filled with underage

>>33483796
Fpbp
>>33483803
Not him,It looks similar to Dicynodonts.
>>33484186
What a moron.

i wish it was a little prettier like ivysaur

Venusaur's wide face is endearing.
Like Gyanko.

>>33485450
>venasaur is ugly but has good design
So it's intentionally ugly like Garbodor?

Venusaur is my fave kanto starter. It took my some time to really appreciate though. I wouldn’t say that its ugly. Its one of those designs you have to give some time to understand and grow on you. Its not meant to be pretty but intimidating and majestic. After all it is a giant poisonous plant dinosaur with clearly visible pores that emit its toxins...

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I find ugly things to be cute. You're cute, OP.

>>33486833
Ivysaur is a step in the wrong direction for pretty
Should be like Meganium mixed with Liligant

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>>33483782
Venusaur isn't "ugly," it's monstrous, as it should be. It has detailed anatomy, cohesive features and looks like an actual organic creature. Incineroar and Emboar are ugly because they look like plastic toys with simplistic anatomy, retarded proportions and stupid decals and shit plastered all over them. None of them are supposed to be "pretty," but Venusaur is the only one that's actually drawn well.

And for the umpteenth fucking time: it's not a frog, it's a synapsid.

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It's not as cute as what it evolves from, but I still like it.

>>33486913
Then why isn't it a rock-type?

>>33486965
ur 1 cheeky kunt m8

>>33483782
SAY IT TO MY FACE YOU FUCKING NJGGER

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Turning this thread around! Post your Venusaur pictures!

>>33483823
Blastoise is just a turtle. Nothing about it is tortoise inspired.

>>33488029
Except that turtles have flat fins you dumbfuck. Blastoise has terrestrial limbs.

>>33488029
Tortoises are turtles so it's a pointless combination

Anyways, venusaur is based off an nondescript prehistoric synapsid, it doesn't seem to be to be amphibian or reptilian, just weird

>>33485156
Or maybe he didn't expect that he would have to draw it again and again.

>>33488038
>implying turtle can't be used to refer to all testudines
>implying freshwater turtles aren't a thing
You're the dumbfuck. Stop learning taxonomy on 4chan.

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Venusaur is the definition of being a badass without cool things like wings and cannons.

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Can we please not forget that Venusaur is also a fucking god???

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>>33488121
I feel a new Mega coming up!

>>33488121
That's pretty stylish

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How can people talk shit about these cinnamon buns. Just look at them!

What is wrong with these people?

>>33488156
No sense of taste is all
People are allowed to have their opinions, though

>>33488121
It looks like the anime Godzilla

>>33488029
then why is it Blas"toise"

>>33488267
>thinking English names means shit
Yeah sure, and Beedrill is a bee.

>>33483782
Venusaur is a top tier uglymon though. My second favorite uggo after Kyurem.

>>33483782
Stop bullying Venusaur REEEEEEE

>>33488294
Kyurem ugly? N-nani?????

>>33488604
>one form is a cripple and the two others are abominations
>not ugly

>>33483782
Ugliest final starter evo for sure

>>33490280

Uglier than Primarina?

>>33491894
The ugliest

>>33492490

You have the shittiest taste ever. Congratulations.

>>33483796
>it's based on something shit, so it's okay!

Bulbasur and Ivysaur both looked good. Venushit has no excuse.

>>33483782
look at his legs his ass must be huge though

>>33492520

His excuse is having the sad fate of being Ken Sugimori's least favorite pokemon.

everybody else did Venusaur more justice than Ken by making it looking great (Anime, Manga, Niantic, spin-offs, etc..).

>>33492537
That's funny every time I see Inceniroar I think he looks great on every iteration

>>33485538
>charizard isn't affected by stealth rocks

Yeah, in your dreams buddy

>>33483782
All three are cute but vena is the cutest

>>33492532
That's just Sugimori being shit at perspective.

>>33492657

>That's just Sugimori being shit at drawing complex designs

FTFY

>>33484361
Why isn't shitnaught on here?

>>33492759
Because of I added him he would bump bara kitty off the ugly list and it would be venusaur, Delphox , emboar, chesnaught

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Am I the only one that gets a soothing, relaxed and calm vibe when I think of or see Venusaur

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>>33492813

No. Venusaur is chill and sometimes cute.

>>33485262
This. My favorite starter since 1997.

>>33483782
Venusaur, Emboar and Incineroar are all great starters. You just have shit taste or think monsters can't look a bit grotesque or weird

>>33492929
Don't ever mention Venusaur in the same sentene or vein with those two ever again. Venusaur is an excellent execution of its concept. Emboar and Inciroar are absolutely not.

>>33492969
Venusaur, Emboar and Incineroar are all great starters. You just have shit taste or think monsters can't look a bit grotesque or weird

>>33485538

>MINT CONDITION CHARIZARD CARD IS WORTH 3000 DOLLARS!
>TELL ME WHEN YOURE WORTH 3000!!


Why didn't this become a meme? fucking lol

Also there's that guy who trained his Charizard to level 108... my sides

Charizard casuals are the best clowns of the pokemon

The sheer amount of logical fallacies in this thread is boundless.

>>33483782
I've always thought Venusaur was ugly, but it's ugly in a different sort of way. Pokemon like Incineroar are thought to be ugly in a "poorly designed" way. It's like when a little kid draws a princess or something. It's ugly because it's shittily drawn. Compare that to a popular, seasoned, professional artist's drawing of an ugly monster (Godzilla, Chthulu, etc.) Both the child's drawing of a princess and the professional artist's monster drawing are "ugly," but in different ways.

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Venusaur looked great in its original artwork when Ken used to draw traditionally. Which is very far from ugly. It looked like a truly menacing monster.

I think it's when Ken got to do digital arts, Venusaur didn't translate well in the process (compare this to the OP's picture).

Reading the above comments, I'm starting to believe that Venusaur unappealing is largely blamed on Ken Sugimori's favoritism and skills when designing Venusaur. There's really no good reason for his version to look so bad comparing to the the anime or the manga's Venusaur alternates.

>>33493068
There is nothing wrong with both yours and the OP's picture. Hell, there nothing unappealing about Venusaur either. This just Emboarfags and Baracatfags trying to drag other Pokemon with them.

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>>33493091
dude, I like all three. Let's not falseflag now

>>33493031
This.

Though honestly in terms of art skill it's not like Venusaur or Inceneroar are that far apart. Style wise both of them are actually fine and I a world like Pokemon there's really no reason for everything to remain the same style. It should be praised for it's diversity desu. It's not like ditto took much effort, it's not like 90% of gen 1 is well designed either. Venusaur by concept is fucking ugly, anybody is delusional if they disagree or try to defend it. To call incineroar ugly and to like Venusaur or even Blastoise is hard to fathom due to the general science of attraction and natural selection regardless of it not being a sexual attraction. However the attraction lies in the somewhat vicious and or terrifying characteristics. Understandably everyone is either a person who wants Pokemon to look intimidating, attractive or as a personality traits they relate to.

Tldr ugly is ugly.
You can't use design as an argument because both are simple in terms of design. The reason why people shit on incineroar is because they don't like that they're being cucked by a Pokemon.

>>33484619
>ugly animals should be cute pokemon
>>>/a/

>>33493143
>both are simple in terms of design.

That is not true at all and one look at both of them will easily tell you why. Did you not pay attention to this thread? Did you not read the interview with Sugimori where he outright admits Venusaur is his least favourite Pokemon, because he finds it hard to draw?

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>>33493143
What if it had more organic detailing?

>>33492520
Absolutely this. I'm sick and tired of Venusaurfags trying to defend the ugly crap that ruined the Bulbasaur line.

>>33483782
venuSAUR
dinoSAUR

>must be a toad

>>33483782
I wish a fire boar Pokémon would be as ugly and have as much presence as Venusaur. I personally pick Blastoise but Venusaur is a fucking dino-toad with a plant on it's back. It's meant to be ugly and it's badass.

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>>33493295
That image misunderstands Incineroars fur. It's shirtless, with black fur and red fur sleeves and a mask. He's dressed like a cross between Jeff Hardy and Tiger the Dark.
Pic related isn't the best example but it's closer

>>33493434
>Every Pokémon has to be cute
Ugly cute animals are a thing, Ivysaur is ugly cute, bulbasaur is just cute, Venusaur is ugly and cool. Toads are badass persoanlly

>>33493550
>Venusaur is ugly and cool
In no way is that piece of shit even remotely cool.

>>33493450
>implying English names matter
>implying saur literally doesn't mean lizard in Latin.

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>>33493555
>My opinion invalidates your opinion
coo

>>33493557
>English doesn't matter
>Other languages (Bar Japanese) do
I guess Blastoise is meant to be a 1.949 meter turtle then, not a 1.6 meter tortoise

>>33493555

Not every thing was created for your tastes. If you don't like it, cool but stop calling it a piece of shit in every comment like a retarded kid.

We all think Venusaur is cool, deal with it kiddo.

>>33493138
This entire thread is one big falseflag

>>33493143
I think Venusaur is ugly in a fearsome monster kind of way. The plant design has always appealed to me more than the reptilian body. However, I find the gen 1 starters kinda meh as a whole. I think the gen 7 starters are both poorly designed and unappealing, but I dislike Incineroar the most for its bad proportions and its flame crotch.

>>33493587
Never said other languages than Japanese mattered when it comes to names. I was merely pointing out that even if its English name mattered it didn't mean much, seeing as saur refers to a whole lot other than dinosaurs.
Blastoise is absolutely a turtle. People who think turtles can't have legs are pseudo intellectuals.

>>33493555
Trips of fucking truth Venufaggots BTFO

>all these people trying to defend Venusaur when he's clearly the ugliest starter

>some faggots are butthurt mad because some people like Venusaur

>>33495780
You can like venusaur and still admit it's the ugliest starter

>>33495789

I like it and it's not ugly for me.
and surprise surprise, everything can have different opinions.

>>33495797
Tell that to the Incineroar haters

Barafags need to gtfo and stop lumping Venusaur with your abominations.

>>33495879

Incineroar haters said Incineroar is ugly but they weren't mad that Incineroar fans saying otherwise or defending it. Unlike the kiddies, Incineroar fans.

>>33483782
embroar is a cartoony non-pokemon and inceniroar is too humanoid and was disappointing that he was yet another standing upright fire starter who looked like he belonged in a ufc ring.

venusaur is a dinosaur with a giant tree and he is cool and has a good design. you're just a dumb reddit brainlet.

we need more Venusaur aesthetics in pokemon. pokemon currently has become everything I disliked about Digimon when I was a kid. Too many humanoid mons and too many cute ones. they turned badass alpha raichu into a kawaii piece of shit. this gen is clearly aimed at an even younger audience but I will hate the day Venusaur and the other bad ass tough bulky looking pokemon get turned into cute grabage.

>>33483782

Venusaur is more aesthetically pleasing than Blastoise and Charizard.

>>33496119
Venusaur is anything but an arch typical Pokémon design. Sugimori saying he dislikes it for its complexity should prove as much.

Also when did Digimon start having cute monsters? everything that isn't Child II or below is usually ugly as shit, and even they are ugly in Watanabe's style.

>>33496152
>Venusaur is anything but an arch typical Pokémon design

The artstyle and conditions for what makes a Pokemon have been too inconsistent over the generations to truly say there is a archtypical design of a Pokemon.

>>33483851
Charizard is boring and plain. No opportunity to really mess up but not great either. Take his design and make it a water or a grass type, it would suck. Hard. But he has the cool fire type giving him a much needed boost

>>33493557
>toad is a lizard
>strange seed == frog

its a dinosaur

>>33496428
My point was simply that saying it is a dinosaur because it's English name includes -saur doesn't hold any ground.
Show me a dinosaur that looks like Venusaur.

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>>33495991
>too humanoid

>>33496588
what's your point, i don't like him either. but he's a shitmon you basically never see once in the first gen and never see at all in the other games. irrelevant. inciniroar is a starter pokemon and should be better.

>>33483782
Venusaur is an ugly creature. Incineroar is an ugly design

>>33496588
no one likes mr mime

>>33496609
nu-pokefans are too young/weird to understand such simple concepts.

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>>33496598
>>33496614
Too humanoid

>>33496609
this anon gets it

>>33496627
all shit designs, whats your point?

>>33496627
what's your point, i'm literally telling you that i don't like humanoid pokemon, how can you be so autistic. don't know what the at blue thing is never seen it before. never liked mr mime. never liked hypno. i dont like or dislike hitmonchan but i'll give him a pass for being so classic.

back to the discussion: inciniroar is a bad design and a waste of litten

>>33496627

>Implying that people actually like these pokemon

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This ugly motherfucker is still better than that generic dragon and weak-ass turtle in the games, anime and the manga lol

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Leave my dinosaur-flower-tank alone, REEEEEEEEEEE

>>33483823
>Turtle and tortoise
That's like something that's a mix of a dog and a fox

>>33483859
Who wouldn't hug tittytoad tho

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>>33496454
say hello to my bro pareiasaurus

>>33497604
hello pareaiasaurus

>>33497604
Pareaiasaurus isn't a dinosaur you tremendous fuckwad

>>33497604
Anon that's not a dinosaur.
You're only proving the point that you think anything ending in -saur is a dinosaur.

>>33497617
>>33497621
parareptile, whatever, not a toad is really enough for me

>>33485156
>What makes me wonder is since he doesn't like it why didn't he make it simpler for his tastes?
Because it wasn't his design?

>>33493570
Fucking terrifying

>>33483823
>turtle and tortoise
it's part turtle part tank and part minogame (a japanese youkai

>>33498008

Whom design then? Pokemon such as Pikachu were mentioned to be the idea of other artists but Bulbasaur line was always linked to Ken Sugimori.

>>33483921
Nigga Blastoise is best

>>33500055

Blastoise is objectively the worst Kanto starter. It can't even hold its own against other water pokemon in its own region.

>>33496660
I like all of them except Mr Mime

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>>33500521
>Blastoise
>has huge canons in its back that only get bigger when he mega-evolves
>mono water
>Lucario
>has literally three little spikes in its body
>fighting/steel type

>>33499308
>but Bulbasaur line was always linked to Ken Sugimori.
[Citation Needed]
This kind of shit is a lesser meme.
One guy posts his opinion that Bulbasaur was designed by Sugimori, then another guy thinks it's true, casually tells another guy about it, and so on and so on until it's taken as fact even though there was never a source confirming it.

but venusaur is cute not ugly don't insult him

>>33483803
The starters are a toad, a salamander, and a turtle.

>>33484850
Typhlosion and Quilava look very different from Cyndaquil, all three have different bone structures and stances, and their faces and flames change substantially.

Ivysaur is a bigger Bulbasaur with slight blooming. Venusaur is a bigger Ivysaur with full bloom. There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.

>>33500885
Cyndaquil to Quilava sure. But Quilava to Typhlosion is a very small change.

>>33500910
The flame shapes and locations completely change, the stance changes, the body shape goes from weasel-like to more triangular and badger-like, and the face isn't even similar.

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>>33483782
Sorry to repeat the meme, but it's based off an ugly creature, so it ain't supposed to be gorgeous. I think it does a nice job of looking monstrous in a more serious way than those two could ever dream of, but even if he was my fave for the longest time, i do think he does plenty of flaws, the most notable being the fact that he was one of the many victims of Gen 1's obsession with putting cat ears on everything. But overall i'd say he's still miles above some modern designs, and it's safe to say that if there's anything modern pokemon design should resurrect from gen 1's ideals is at least a couple more coarse and unorthodox designs that are not overbearing.

That doesn't mean there aren't lots of spectacular modern designs, though. Torterra replaced Venusaur as my favorite Grass type, seeing as he was a more ambitious execution of a similar concept with more mythology behind it that still feel imponent and mighty. And Greninja became one of my favorite pokemon overall, becoming the perfect amalgamation of the all i've come to expect from Pokemon designs, with Goofy, Cool and Unorthodox aspects to it coming together in a wonderful way, leading to a creative design with tons of personality.

Tl;Dr: Being a gen 1 design does add bias into the mix, but it genuinely isn't flat-out terrible as some other Pokemon. It has been outshined, though.

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>>33500963
>That doesn't mean there aren't lots of spectacular modern designs, though.
like this yugamon tier crap that you probably saw when you actually played sun and moon

I love torterra too though

>>33500885
>There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.

Poliwrath and Clefable you fag

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>>33501009
We'll of course you can just cherrypick shit designs and the like from every gen, it doesn't mean all gens are shit. I don't like UB's that much, but they're pretty much meant to NOT look like pokemon and draw more from hypothetical alien beings, so i'd say they do a good job.

>>33500927
The flame on Typshlosion's neck is very similar to the flame on Quilava's butt, and Typhlosion still has a ridge of spiky hair there.
As for the stance it is almost completely the same, both primary being quadrupedal and able to stand on their hind legs. Aside from the fingers and toes being sharper on Typhlosion the limbs are exactly the same. Both's body shape fails are fairly similar to an elongated triangle.

I'm not saying that there isn't any changes, just that the transition is a good example of "it just gets bigger". Not that I will ever understand why people loathe that kind of designs so much.

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>>33500885
>There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.
How about Grimer and Muk?

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>>33500885
>There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.

Typhlosion is the go-to example for the argument, but the same could be said for pretty much all Gen II starters, Poliwrath, Clefable, Pidgeot, Muk and plenty other pokemon do less while evolving

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>33500885
>There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.
pidgey line, Houndoom, Rapidash, Arcanine and I don't even know gen3 yet (waiting for niantic to release it in GO)

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>>33501076
Theyre still the best pokemon in the game

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>>33500885
>There is NO better example of 'it just gets bigger' than Venusaur.
Are you forgetting the fucking tree?

>>33501009
That isn't even a Pokemon, though. It's a momentary hybrid between a human and an UltraBeast, which is already a type of Pokemon that is specifically meant to look NOT like a Pokemon.

>>33501320
Oh that's what >>33501046 meant by IN, ultrabeast, thanks now i can Google it

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>>33501320
>NOT like a Pokemon.
While we're on the subject, if Lucario, Primarina, Muk, Arcanine, Torterra, Skarmory, Porygon and Dragonite are all pokemon, then where is this line of "not a pokemon" drawn?

Creatures, mythical beasts, robots, furries and ceaseless portrayals of homosexuality are all on the table, what's not? Are copy rights the only thing holding Nintendo back from releasing pic related in gen8?

>>33501475
We're going to get a full blown mecha pokémon sooner or later. It is inevitable.

>>33500963
>Gen 1's obsession with putting cat ears on everything

I'm glad I'm not the only one completely bothered by this. Also agree on Torterra and Greninja.

>>33500885

Even though everybody cucked you out because of your invalid statement but let's me remind you that Bulbasaur line, according to Masuda is the most Pokemon-ish looking pokemon and it existence is an example of animal and plants living together.

You can say it was a failed experiment, but Bulbasaur line do gets bigger, they grow up, their evolving make more sense than anything else but that was the purpose of the line, to be a showcase of what pokemon has to offer between of 2 species. And interestingly enough, Bulbasaur line is the only starter than is based on multiple species rather than 1.

Now we have cats and pigs that turn into wrestlers, seals turn into clowns, Foxes turn into wizards, birds and fishes turn into entirely different species, etc.. which is extremely silly and sometimes cringeworthy.

Not sure about you, but Venusaur line evolution is much more better and make more sense than most of pokemon now, it just took long time to appreciate the line and its concept.