should evasion boosting moves really be banned?

>>33479348

Yes, because anti-evasion moves either have shit distribution or are pathetically weak.

Yes. Otherwise have fun playing Minimize Chansey

>>33479348
Yes.

>>33479360
Unban Evasion moves and the OHKO moves that check them.

Evasion actually got a lot worse this generation since Z-Moves can not miss.

>>33479411
>OHKO moves that check them
wat

>>33479433
OHKO moves are not affected by Evasion. Thney are always 30% no matter how many Minimizes your Chansey has used.
They also only need to hit once.

>>33479449

OHKO moves are hard-countered by Sturdy, which in addition to its current effect, still has its pre-Gen 5 effect of completing negating OHKO moves.

>>33479461

Wow, those Sturdy Chansey will be a problem. You are right.

>>33479348
Anything that increases randomness should.

>>33479467
le double teaming metallic bird of big stalls

>>33479634
>what is aura sphere?

No one uses it on rulesets that don't ban them anyway, they are just annoying no matter on what end you are.

You could use Minimize Chansey in VGC or Battle Spot but why the fuck would you base your win condition solely on chance? No one does it.

>Crits are now rebranded to armor piercing hits and they only deal extra damage if the target has boosted defenses
>Confusion, random damage spread, evasion and accuracy are removed
Did I uncancer the RNG?

>>33479634
What is Roar or Whirlwind or Perish Song or Mold Breaker Guillotine Pinsir or Mold Breaker Guillotine Haxorus or Haze or Z-Moves or Thunder in rain or Defog or ...

>>33479641
A weak move with shit distribution

>>33479653
...or Taunt or Topsy-Turvy or No Guard or ...

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>>33479702
...or Haze or Aerial Ace or Aura Sphere or Hail Blizzard or Clear Smog or Disarming Voice or Psyche Up or Lock-On or Mind Reader or Miracle Eye or Shadow Punch...

>>33479348
THE BLUE CORNER USES IT'S MOVE
THE ATTACK MISSED!

>>33479449
>evasion moves make it incredibly unlikely to hit a pokemon spamming them
>counter them with moves that are incredibly unlikely to hit
Yeah makes perfect sense good thinking

>>33479348
No.
>But they make the game too RNG heavy
The game is already retardedly RNG heavy. Shit like Paralysis and Confusion aren't banned and there's inherent RNG everywhere in the basic functioning of the game.
>They would centralize the metagame around evasion, everyone would have to start carrying a counter or two
This hardly gets anything else banned. Just look at Smogon Stones. You think there would be rapid spinners if hazards weren't around? Evasion counters wouldn't feel any stranger than spinners if evasion was legal.

>>33479653
What is Sound proof or ghost type or taunt or having 5 other members with evasion or sunny day or taunt again

>>33480073
>Evasion counters wouldn't feel any stranger than spinners if evasion was legal.
You know exactly what damage you're getting hurt for with rocks. I'm not defending them but they're still less rage inducing than evasion. Anyone that advocates in favour of RNG in competitive formats should be hung

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>>33479348
You wouldn't be asking this if you had ever been to a battle facility.

Of fucking course

A win is a win, no matter who gets said win. If a skilled player complains because an unskilled player beat them, they need to check if they even are truly skilled, for they shouldn't be battling with each other due to the difference in ELO.

>>33479449
That's not a check or a counter. That's you being a fucking retard.

>>33482600
Being a retard is this board's job.

>>33482603
Good point.

>>33482603
nou

>>33482606
I would classify it as in internship, but even those can give you a chance at money...

>>33479647
Actually, playing Evasion as a secondary win condition is actually the best strategy in the game as the math adds up to you having at least a 60% winrate.

But this is only assuming a non-timer environment. The only reason no one uses it is because 1) VGC has timer which can be used to easily stall out Evasion and 2) battle spot is primarily used for VGC practice

True PTW ladder players will always have an Evasion abuser of some sort on their team. The math just overwhelmingly benefits them; its the same reason why Thundurus-I with ParaSwag was used so much.

What would Pokemon be like if all elements of RNG in Pokemon were removed?

I'll tell you what: Stall becomes even stronger.

>>33482651
>stall stronk
>rng stronk
>what do?

>>33480073
>one move that can remove hazards for the rest of the battle if timed correctly versus pathetically weak moves with shit distribution

>>33480073
>The game is already retardedly RNG heavy. Shit like Paralysis and Confusion aren't banned and there's inherent RNG everywhere in the basic functioning of the game.
So then why make rage-inducing rolls even more prominent? Barely anyone likes facing it in battle facilities or in the game itself. Why force all types of online battles to become even more of an RNG clusterfuck?

Plus, Confusion and Paralysis aren't as common as Double Team. Double Team is learned by almost every Pokemon in the game. Confusion is fixed by simply switching out and while Paralysis is harder to remove it's not as inherently busted as evasion. Most of the better evasion-ignoring moves have shit-tier distribution and the two things that remove evasion boosts (Haze and Clear Smog) aren't that common either.
>Just look at Smogon Stones. You think there would be rapid spinners if hazards weren't around? Evasion counters wouldn't feel any stranger than spinners if evasion was legal.
Stealth Rock isn't dependent on RNG. Why do people always bring up Stealth Rock anyway, is everyone against hyper offense?

>>33482710
>Why do people always bring up Stealth Rock anyway, is everyone against hyper offense?
Because of muh diversity and muh 50-50s when in reality at the highest ideal level of competition 50-50s always show up in the lategame.