Arceus was never most powerful Pokèmon ever

thanks richard

>her ability stone

it wasn't in gen4?

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>>33477409
No and I said Lore-wise.

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>God is not the most powerful being in the universe

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>>33477404

It.

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>>33477424
Lore-wise, Arceus is not most powerful Pokèmon ever.

>>33477403
They need to know the truth.
Correct them.

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>>33477424
There is a new god now

>>33477421
>>33477443
You really like to post the same image twice.

>>33477400
Which is the most powerful Pokémon.

>>33477404
Funny

>>33477421
What if Arceus has boundless power too.

>>33477430
He was quoting your picture.

>>33477443
What if Arceus has boundless power too.

>>33477452
That is not a God.

>>33477424
Arceus isn't even God in the first place.

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>>33477452
>>33477424

Pokèmon is Polytheism.

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>>33477474
>What if Arceus has boundless power too.


It doesn't.

>>33477475
t. Giratina

>>33477492
What if its true power is boundless.

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>>33477443
It's just a hyperbole.

>>33477506
True power = finite power = limited power

boundless power has no limit.

>>33477443
>boundless energy
>still btfo'd by a level 2 gastly

Oh my god autistic tripfag vs autistic Richard

I never knew I wanted this

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>>33477443
Explain this

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>>33477510
No and Anime series is non-canon.

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>>33477535
>using the anime series for anything

>>33477516
Why does true power finite. True just means truth.

>>33477539
They are different canon. Not non-canon.

>>33477516
Not in the pokedex so this is not true.

>>33477539
It shows that this description is not a hyperbole.

>May I say one last bit? A long time ago, I wonder what sort of person painted this?
>Dialga's Roar of Time...Palkia's Spacial Rend...
>To the people back then, those Pokémon really must have appeared to rule over time and space.
>Seeing them must have shaken the people to their very core.
>This painting represents those feelings of awe, wonder, and everything else.
>It passed that memory to countless people, eventually becoming a myth...
Cynthia in the ruins of Solaceon Town

>All lives
>touch other
>lives to create
>something
>anew and alive
The Solaceon Ruins after catching all Unown
>Our friends look
>up and heartily
>congratulate us
The Unown Report after catching all Unown
>A strange sound is coming from UNOWN...
>UNOWN started spinning around in circles.
>UNOWN is growling in a way that sounds almost like speech...
>Your Pokémon isn’t moving.
>Your Pokémon seems to be singing something?
Unown when brought to the Ruins of Alph
>ARCEUS looked up at the sky and shouted loudly!
>DIALGA gathered itself up and let out a huge roar!
>PALKIA’s body shook with a great roar!
Arceus, Palkia and Dialga when brought to the Sinjoh Ruins

>But that was not it. A long time ago... people came from Sinnoh to live here.
>They must have built a temple here while longing for home. That's why we call these theSinjoh Ruins...
>According to an ancient document, time, space, and antimatter, or what combined we call the world, shall be born whenArceusstands on theMystri Stage.
>This is where one might say, "The lead enters theMystri Stageat last." All my study of ruins and Pokémon mythology in Sinnoh may have been to bring you up on this stage here today...
>Depicted on theMystri Stageare the Pokémon that shaped this world. The circle in the middle isArceus, the origin of it all...
Cynthia at the Sinjoh-Ruins

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>>33477539
Hello

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>>33477424
I am

>>33477558
>The three living things wished, and
>from them, spirit came to be.
>The world created, the Original One
>took to unyielding sleep...

Canalave Library

Arceus is only ever mentioned by three NPCs: Cynthia, the Hiker and the Scientist at the Ruins of Alph.
The people who used to live together with the Unown are all dead.
Sinjoh is between Sinnoh and Jotho. It‘s exact location i unknown.
Sinjoh is a place where people frrom both Sinnoh and Jotho gathered to worship Arceus.
Arceus is long forgotten, but Dialga and Palkia are still worshipped in the Sinnoh region and mentioned a few times.
Arceus must have at least once created Dialga, Palkia or Giratina whith humans watching it.
We don‘t know if Arceus is native to Sinnoh. It might have left Sinjoh for the Spear Pillar for reasons unknown.
The Mystri stage might be the key to Arceus‘s full power and might the place where it hatched from an egg.
It „sleeping“ is potentially a metaphor forr being in a state where it doesn‘t have access to all of it‘s power.

Reposting because this shitbitch Richard is polluting this board again.

>>33477554
How can a omnipotent being with hide their boundless power?

Just accept that Arceus isn't omnipotent being.

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>>33477532

>>33477570
>hurr durr there is a thing an omnipotent being can't do

>>33477570
It's just an avatar

>>33477568
>sleeping“ is potentially a metaphor.


No. It's not.

>>33477578
Prove it

>>33477577

No. That's fanon information.
Arceus is a Pokèmon.

>>33477585
What's a Pokèmon? Is that different than a Pokémon?

Stop making up your fanon Richard

>>33477570
This one >>33477574 is right Arceus can show you a glimpse. Of its power. That does not mean it is not boundless. Machoke can choose to not punch infinitely strong. Arceus can also.

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>>33477584
This image is canon.

>>33477585
It is fanon information. But Arceus does not have 1000 arms the way. It looks. Right Now. So maybe it is.

>>33477590
And prove that "sleep" isn't a metaphor

Give me a better argument than "it's canon"

>>33477590
But Arceus is not asleep. Is Arceus the original one.

>>33477589
>>33477574

Jirachi is omnipotent being.

>>33477590
You know what a metaphor is? You know how mythologies rely on metaphors?
Richard, fuck off and read a book or two.
Just cease to exist.

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Can Arceus create a pokemon so powerful that even he cannot defeat it?

>>33477599
>>33477598

What's canon is canon.
You can't go against canon information.

>>33477602
Where does the Pokédex say Jirachi is omnipotent. I think that that is. Fanon information.

>>33477610
>has no argument and falls back to IT'S CANON SO YOU CANT DISPROVE

okay richard

>>33477606
No. What's canon is canon.
You can't go against canon information.
According to in-game universe canon information.

Arceus is sleeping.

>>33477610
But Arceus is canon. Captured and not asleep. Or fought and not asleep. So Arceus is not the Original one. Or is not full.

>>33477613

Google " omnipotent"

Richard do you know what a fallacy is?

>>33477625
No results show Jirachi

>>33477617
Saying Arceus is sleeping is a metaphor is fanon information created by Fans.

I will never listen to fan fiction.

Arceus is just an avatar:

"When that spirit came to be, there followed awareness about the world.
Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one.
People and Pokémon, too, were but the same presence.
As I understand it, people and Pokémon shared the spirit and awareness.
They should have understood and accepted each other then.
Because they shared the same spirit, people and Pokémon intermingled.
People took the place of Pokémon, and the opposite also held true.
That interpretation could give us an idea about how our world came to be.
A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world.
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?
Hmm... The spirit came to be, and from it, time and space were born...
That seems to point to Legendary Dialga, the Pokémon of time, and Palkia, the Pokémon of space...
And they lead back to Arceus, the Pokémon that made them arise.
Oh, there were also Plates, weren't there?
One Plate read "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Those three beings I read to mean the three Pokémon of the lakes. It's about Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.
The myth describes how they gave spirit to the world, shaping it.
But it all starts with Arceus, the first. It is known as the Original One."

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>>33477625
Where does the Pokédex say Jirachi can do anything. And where does the Pokédex say Jirachi is God. You are saying fanon information.

>>33477622
Original one is a nickname given to Arceus.

>>33477636
Then Arceus is not the Original One. And neither is. Jirachi. Arceus is not God. And Jirachi is not God.

>>33477643
Where does it say that? That's fanon information which isn't true, if we're going by your logic Richard

>>33477639

Jirachi is omnipotent in term of making wish. Able to make any wish come true.

>>33477639
It can grant any wish, i.e. do anything

>>33477643
The Original one is asleep. Arceus is not asleep. Where is the Pokédex saying Arceus is the original one. That is fanon information.

>>33477645
But the Original One can be classified as a god.

>>33477651
>>33477648
>>33477645

How you can be this silly?

>>33477649
It must have Paper on its head. To do that. It cannot make Wishes without. Someone else. Therefore cannot do anything.

>>33477650
It must have Paper on its head. To do that. It cannot make Wishes without. Someone else. Therefore cannot do anything.

>>33477637
No. Arceus is the original spirit.

>>33477662
Where's the proof? Show me where it says Arceus and the Original One are the same thing

I'm waiting

>>33477657
Then Arceus is not a God. Because Arceus is not the Original one.

>>33477662
I am not silly.

>>33477670
Myths say it is. And Jirachi is not. Because there was no paper for Jirachi to grant a wish.

>>33477568
>>33477584
>>33477598
>>33477606
Fuck off faggot, if you want everyone to prove that sleep is not a metaphor, you should do the same and provide us with facts that prove your point as well, where is your factual evidence that backs up your "hurr durr sleep is a metaphor" theory?

>>33477649
>>33477650
It can not do these things on it's own. It requires another person to ask for that wish and it can only do that for one week every 1000 years.
This means, Jirachi is not omnipotent.

>>33477666
>It must have Paper on its head. To do that.

It still make any wish come true.
Therefore it has the power to do anything in term of making wish

>>33477691
Wow, Richard, you are unusually snarky today. Did you ask your mother to write that for you?

>>33477698
>it can only do that for one week every 1000 years.


Because, It go to sleep.

>>33477701
Yes. But that is not Omnipotent >>33477639. Because it needs others. It cannot do anything by itself

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I fuckig hate the gen IV lore. Who the fuck wrote that thing?

>>33477701
No. It can only do that once every 1000 years and requires someone else. That is not omnipotence, you stupid fucking idiot.
You are so autistic, you can't even read. What you gonna do now, harass a Lexicologist via Twitter?

>>33477714
Because, It go to sleep.

>>33477712
If it is omnipotent it does not have to sleep. Therefore it is not omnipotent.

>>33477705
Pathetic, you fail to provide evidence to any of your claims and all you do is sperg out
>Everyone who disagrees with me is richard
I got bad news for you turbo autist, I don't even know who this so called richard is

>>33477719
No. Because, It go to sleep after after a week.

>>33477720
If it is Omnipotent it does not have to go sleep. Therefore it is not Omnipotent. You are spreading fanon. Jirachi is not canon omnipotent. You are wrong.

>>33477720
SHUT THE FUCK UP
If it has to "recharge" then it's not omnipotent. Omnipotent means it can do everything at any given moment without any outside help. Which it does in fact not.

-> Jirachi is not omnipotent
-> You use fanon information

>>33477539
Saying it *can* record facts is not the same as saying it *can only* record facts.

>>33477721
Omnipotent comes from the word potential, as in it has the potential to do anything, which it does

>>33477721
It's omnipotent in term of making wishes.

>>33477553
>using something the amerifats did to prove your point
Wew lad you are grasping for straws now.

Will Tittenfall and Richard end up consuming one another?

>>33477732
No. This cannot be debated.

>>33477740
I sure hope so anon

>>33477734
No, you fucking idiot.
Omnipotent means what it means. It's etymology is irrelevant.

>>33477743
Why not

>>33477730
Jirachi is omnipotent in term of making wishes.

>>33477734
Omnipotent means it can do anything. Jirachi cannot do anything. It has the power to use paper on its head to make wishes come true. It cannot do anything. It can only do that. That is not Omnipotent.

>>33477736
Then I am Omnipotent in being Autistic.

>>33477743
Yes, it does. Saying "It can record information" does not mean "It records information" you autistic lowlife.

>>33477748
Because, Game freak says facts are facts.

What they say goes.

>>33477743
The only "debate" is "Do Pokemon characters [in English translations] speak English?"

And obviously they speak English or it wouldn't be an English translation, which means "can automatically record facts" has the standard English meaning, i.e. it does not exclude also recording falsehoods.

>>33477743
It can be debated. Everything can be debated.

>>33477750
No, you idiot. It is not omnipotent. Omnipotence is all encompassing. If it is only "omnipotent" in one thing then it isn't omnipotent. Now shut up you whore child.

>>33477754
N-Nani?! The first self-aware tripfag?

>>33477755

No. What Game freak says goes.

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>>33477608
Yes

>>33477766
They are learning, anon. We must prepare for the great revolution while there is still time

>>33477759
Where does Gamefreak say facts are facts.

>>33477771
Gamefreak does not say Jirachi is omnipotent. You say Jirachi is Omnipotent. You also say Original one is a nickname for Arceus. This is fanon information and not facts.

>>33477777
wasted.

>>33477766
>>33477777
sshhh.

>>33477762
>>33477760

No. It can't. Game freak created Pokèmon.

They said the Pokèdex record "facts".

Facts are facts. This cannot be debated anymore. Game freak is a official source.

>>33477777
Witnessed

>>33477780
Game freak created Pokèmon.
They created all of dialogues in the games

>>33477759
>Ussain Bolt can run the 100m in less than 10 seconds
>Therefore he cannot walk
The character (not Game Freak speaking officially) only talked about what was possible, not what was impossible.

>>33477771
Game Freak says "can". "Can" does not express factuality it expresses possibility, you lowlife.
The Pokedex CAN record information this however does not mean that it DOES record information. Even from a pragmatic perspective Kukui doesn't assure us that everything in there is true. Otherwise, why would he send us on a journey in the first place?
BTFO

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>>33477789
It records facts. But also myths. It does not only record facts.

>>33477765
But it still omnipotent in term of making wishes

>>33477740
On my headcanon Arceus is the full Autism Spectrum
Palkia = Childhood Disintegrative Disorder
Dialga = Pervasive Developmental Disorder
Giratina = Asperger Syndrome
- - - - - - - - - - -
Palkia = Tittenfall
Giratina = Richard
- - - - - - - - - - -
we have yet to find someone more autistic than those two to fill in the Arceus spot in the autism scale

>>33477777
Fucking witnessed

>>33477789
It said it CAN record facts, you turbo autismo

>>33477798
Search on the internet the definition of "Omnipotent." It can do something. But not Anything. Therefore, it is not Omnipotent.

>>33477797
>>33477796
Game freak created Pokèmon.
They created all of dialogues in the games.

They created the dialogues saying a Pokèdex record "facts".

This cannot be debated.

>>33477798
No, it is not "omnipotent in terms of making wishes". This is an oxymoron. Either it is omnipotent or it isn't. There is no debate here.

>>33477516
but what if this arceus is proud of its power

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>>33477808
No. Facts are facts.
I said this once, I'll say it again.

>>33477819
You said it yourself. GF created the dialogue. And they deliberately chose to use the word CAN here to express possibility not factuality. It's not my problem GF inteded something different than you wanted them to. Now shut the fuck up.

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>>33477819
Clearly it's not all facts or else it wouldn't constantly contradict itself

>>33477819
Yes. The Pokédex records facts. It also records thing that. Are not. Facts. I ate a sandwich. That is the fact. I ate a sandwich. I do not tell you that I also ate. Chips. But. I still ate chips. Sandwich is fact. Chips are not fact. Does that make sense.

>>33477832
This cannot be debated anymore.

>>33477400
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED

>>33477798
Then the wishes are omnipotent themselves, not the one who grants those wishes, since Jirachi cannot manipulate them, just grant them.

>>33477836
define "Facts"

>>33477830
You can say it. But it does not make it fact.

>>33477837
It can be debated. You just do not want to debate it.

>>33477830
Are you stupid now? There is plenty of evidence in the bible for the existance of god. Is the bible true now?
Ever heard of scientists using unreliable sources? No? Go back to fucking school, you sperg.
You can post as much bullshit but if there is only ONE ever so small thing that disproves you,w hich is the use of CAN then it means all you say and write is wrong.

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>>33477834
Image broke for some reason

>>33477849
Why you still talking about this?

>>33477443
>すごく きょうじんな にくたいなので パワーセーブ ベルトを つけて つよさを せいぎょしている。

Nothing implies "boundless" in there.

>>33477845
Things that are true. A statement that is true.

The sky is blue where I am right now. That is an example. Of a fact.

Omnipotent
>having very great or unlimited authority or power.
>very great or unlimitee
>or
I am not so much of an autist that i am using this as evidence that arceus is onmipotent, but eh I can add fuel to the fire.
HIGHEST BASE STATS!

>>33477837
Is this what Gamefreak meant or what YOU think Gamefreak meant

>>33477837
It can be debated you are just too stupid to understand how language works. Saying something can do something and saying something does something are two DIFFERENT things and GF wanted to express this very notion. The Pokedex CAN record facts, it does not HAVE TO.

>>33477848
define "Facts"

>>33477819
Faggot do you know what a myth is.

>assuming all Pokemon characters are both honest and omniscient
>assuming Pokemon characters speak a unique conlang that looks like English but has completely different meaning

>>33477855
Your translation is inaccurate.

>>33477862
define "Define"

>>33477854
Because you don't stop, Richard. Are you giving up?

>>33477855
Thank you. I do not know where to find the original japanese entries. Will you tell me where.

>>33477858
If I were to be pedantic. Which I am. Then I would say that. Primal Groudon. Primal Kyogre. Mega Mewtwo X. Mega Mewtwo Y. Mega Rayquaza. All have higher stats.

>>33477474
ofc it's funny, if not why you wrote it?

>>33477424
To be fair, just because it can create doesn't necesarilly mean it has big attack input.

>>33477492
When will the screencaps actually match the intended point?

>>33477875
https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%82%B4%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC

>>33477865
Sure, kid. just keep thinking myths about legendaries are false.

>>33477862
I defined facts. >>33477857. You ignored it.

>>33477868
>this shit again
Only assume the characters are wrong if its a plot point. If it isn't, they're not. There's no reason to make them liars.

>>33477860
>>33477873

Because, It's silly to debate about facts

>>33477883
Thank you oodles, this will actually really help me in the future!

>>33477889
>>33477857

I see.

>>33477869
That's not mine and that's not a translation.

>>33477858
BSTs are irrelevant to lore.
Are they even canon in the first?

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>>33477898
We are not debating about facts. We are debating what is. And is not. Fact.

>>33477905
I'm sure you agree.

In any case I'm tired cus I slept through the night, but this was fun lol. Smell ya later Richard!

>>33477896
1. They could simply be mistaken
2. Even if they are not mistaken, they still are not claiming the Pokedex *only* contains facts

>>33477911
*didn't sleep through the night

In any case, getting off now.

>>33477906
It's a mistranslation.
According to in-game universe canon information.

Machoke has infinite power

>>33477916
>They could simply be mistaken
If its a plot point, sure. Which is not always the case. It never is with the dex.

>>33477924
It can't be a mistranslation if it's not a translation, it's the original game flavor text.

>>33477926
In that case, the character made a 100% true and honest statement that it is possible for the Pokedex to contain facts. They said nothing about whether it's possible for it to contain falsehoods.

>>33477945
I wasn't debating whether it could contain falsehoods. Just that the "characters can lie" card, used in other discussions aside from how the dex work, is retarded.

>>33477898
Debate about facts? Like the fact that CAN expresses possibility not factuality. It is YOU who doesn't stick to the facts. You can give me "proof" all you want on how the Pokedex records facts. You posted a picture where it says it CAN record facts, not that it does- and your argument crumbles.

Also, just because I can speak English doesn't mean I only speak English or that this English is always correct. This is just as much the case with the pokedex.
Richard, you have been BTFO so many times by now, just get your shit together or leave. Nobody wants you here and if I read about your death on a newspaper I would heartily laugh.

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>>33477931
Sorry about the late reply.
My system power is dying.

According to this. It has boundless power

>>33477959

No. I haven't and Game freak already debunk you all.

I'm gone now.

>>33478023
Can you even read what it says?

>>33478023
i think your brain cells are dying

>>33477959
Actually, you turbo autists cannot comprehend that when it says it can record facts, it means that it dosen't magically records faacts on every single pokemon in the universe, it merely specifies that under very specific conditions it can record facts about pokemon, nothing there suggests it can record wrong data, you're just grasping at straws.

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>this entire thread

>>33478023
>In order to train its body, it will gladly carry other people's heavy luggage instead of doing heavy-lifting.

UNLIMITED POWER

>>33478047
40 SITUPS A DAY
JOGGING FOR 10 MILES A DAY
CARRYING OTHER PEOPLE'S LUGGAGE EVERY DAY
ONE PUUUUUUUNCH~~~

>>33478023
hmm, let's see, according to my weeaboo transaltion powers, it says "Nico Nico-nii~ Anata no Hato ni Nico Nico-nii, Egao todokeru Yazawa Nico Nico~ Nico-nii te oboeteru rabu Nico~" yes, according to my research Machoke doesn't has unlimited power

is this the power of autism?

>>33478045
This. Your game for japanese kids won't have scientifically accurate data.

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"The one to create to the ancient world and Pokemon, Arceus!?"

"We will now discuss the tale of a certain trainer's strange experience. They're said to have went to the Ruins of Alph with the mythical Pokemon Arceus."
"Then suddenly, their vision went dark, and they seemingly teleported to another location. They were in the far away Sinjoh Ruins. In these ruins, said to be the fusion of Sinnoh and Johto culture, there was a holy stage built to worship Arcues, called the Mystri Stage. Legends say that when Arceus gets on the stage, time, space, and anti-matter mix and create a new world."

"And so Arceus gives birth the god of time Dialga, the god of space Palkia, and the god of anti-matter Giratina."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxC1kXm_AVs&t=388s

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>>33477400
To create existence from non-existence makes it pretty powerful imo

>>33477452
Thats Arceus

>>33477539
Richard fuck off and neck urself

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>30 posters

>183 posts of people actually replying to richard

So can anyone tell me if Richard is actually, in medical sense, autistic, or are people here just turds falling for a bait, albeit a very good one, as usual? Because frankly, I got lost.

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>>33479724
At first I thought it was funny but now I just want it to stop

>>33477424
>TO DEFEAT A DEMON AND GO BEYOND A GOD!
>THAT IS MY GOLURK Z!

According to Mystery Dungeon, the most powerful pokemon is Kecleon.

when will the mods permaban richard

>>33477421
Arceus does the same, whats the point?

>>33477590
If it's asleep, how come you can encounter it in the game?

>>33477855
Two can play at this game, motherfucker
>こしにまいた パワーセーブベルトを はずした ゴーリキーの いきおいを とめることは だれにも ふかのうだ。
"No one can stop the power/vigour of a Machoke with its power-restraining belt removed."
"No one" includes Arceus, therefore Machoke is stronger than Arceus even in the Japanese canon.

What if Arceus becomes a ghost type? How is Machoke going to harm it?

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>>33481452
True Arceus, pronounced Are-See-Us, is every type at once and uses pre-Kalos mechanics for its steel type so he is highly resistant to darkness, evil

>>33481404
>だれにも ふかのうだ
Keyword: だれ

"Dare" always refer to a human.
It's basically the same nuance than What/Who in english.

When you see someone you don't ask "What is he?", and when you see a new pokémon you don't say "Who is this pokémon".