/vp/ Makes Some Megas Thread

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Mega crobat
Poison/Flying
Hp:85
attack:160(+70)
Defense:90(+10)
Sp.attack:70
Defense:90(+10)
Speed:140(+10)
The blood-thursty Croos

>>33457505
It has adaptability btw

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1/2
learns dragon rush, dragon dance, and outrage

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>>33457533
2/2
learns shore up

never got feedback on these two, so they might be shit

arbok and krook anon, not doing number ratings but general thoughts

>>33457462
I like octillery, and I like the typing, but I don't see a reason to use it over volcanion. Could be better. Maybe something with protean, because octopi change color?
>>33457469
>that attack
>that speed
>that STAB combo
was it your intent to make a new toy for ubers to play with?
>>33457480
I don't hate this one. It seems a bit broken, but it's kind of what slaking deserves.
>>33457494
pretty good. Probably won't hack it in OU, but seems pretty usable.
>>33457505
>160 attack
>140 speed
>it has adaptability btw
absolutely borked

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Ignore Ledian

>>33457533
Speed Boost is overused so I'm afraid your Mega Arbok isn't original. Typing and stats leave this at a solid 7/10.
>>33457546
Tinted Lens and that high Attack stat would leave Mega Krookodile hitting like a fucking truck. Ability makes since with Krookodile's biology, and the rest of the stats are great. 9/10.

>>33457607
>absolutely borked
It's a hard-to-get so I did that on purpose

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I'm really happy about this one. Snakes have this unique biology regarding their cornea and eyes. Overall it helps them sense things better and protects their eyes. In certain mythology and symbolism, snakes are related and sometimes become dragons, so typing makes sense too.

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>fake megas
>special snowflake abilities everywhere
>real megas
>literally two unique abilities: parental bond and delta stream

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Mega Eelektross
Electric/Poison
Levitate
HP: 85
Attack: 145 (+30)
Defense: 110 (+30)
Special Attack: 130 (+25)
Special Defense: 105 (+25)
Speed: 40 (-10)
Now learns the Elemental Fang moves including Poison Fang, Gunk Shot, Poison Jab, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, and Venoshock

>>33457658
>unzip steel type
does it really need coil with that ability? or better yet isn't that ability wasted on something with coil?

>>33457617
>avalugg
>all 100 points go to special defence
Kek

>>33457533
>>33457546
>>33457617
How does one do that?

>>33457707
It functions the same way Compound Eyes does. It increases the accuracy but it isn't perfect. A single Coil helps boost Attack and Defense and leaves accuracy virtually perfect combined with Brille Eyes.

>>33457739
It boosts Iron Tail and Gunk Shot to 100% so it might as well be perfect.

>>33457755
Does it? Thanks for alerting me. What 4th move do you suppose Coil should be replaced with?

>>33457720
want another one?
>machamp is so outclassed by conk that its mega goes special attacker
>AND gets pure power
>mega conk gets no guard

>>33457775
something to deal with steel types

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>>33457779
>and rock type for STAB cement pillar stone edges

Mega Ursaring
Normal/Dark
Ability: Tough Claws
HP
>90->120(+30)
ATK
>130(+0)
DEF
>75->120(+45)
SpA
>75->30(-45)
SpD
>75->120(+45)
SPE
>55->80(+25)
BST
>500->600(+100)
Ideal Set: Return, Crunch, Play Rough, Bulk Up

>>33457894
Play Rough could be Hammer Arm or Close Combat instead for pesky Aggrons.

>>33457906
>TFW I forgot that Dark isn't resisted by steel anymore

>>33457894
This is actually kinda cool. 8/10.

>>33457912
What tier do you think it'd be?

>>33457894
>increasing hp

>>33457689
pls respond

>>33457918
As noted by someone else, you can't increase HP, dumbass. It's kinda tricky to place Mega Ursaring in a tier. It has naturally great Attack, a nice bulk, and fair speed. Tough Claws boosts its Attack to tremendous levels and it has great STAB moves and overall good coverage and typing. If anything it'd be like a reverse Mega Metagross. It starts off in B+ tier Ubers then drops to a solid A tier OU once people learn how to counter it. It definitely wouldn't stay in Ubers because there are a fair amount of Fighting-types in there and they would put Mega Ursaring's head on a spike. I recommend taking that extra 30 you put in HP to Speed to give it some help.

>>33457985
Alright so
HP
>90
ATK
>130
DEF
>120
SpA
>30
SpD
>120
SPE
>110

>>33457956
Would you rather have it be pure Electric-type with no weaknesses, or Electric/Poison for extra STAB coverage with the added weakness of Psychic, and the possibility of Mold Breaker and Gravity? Stats leave it as a nice Physical or Special attacker, but it suffers from a case of having a higher Attack stat with more Special moves. Also, it's terrible speed is the reason Eelektross is in such a low tier, so making it worse is a bad idea. I imagine Mega Eelektross being B-rank UU. Also, ignore my previous post regarding Mega Ursaring calling ranks tiers. My mistake.

>>33458010
Yes, this is good. Also, keep in mind I reviewed Mega Ursaring with the HP mistake being transferred to Speed, so the review remains the same.

>>33457617
>torterra with rock head
oof my dick

>Mega Weezing
>Poison/Fire
>Keeps Levitate
>Stats: 65/90/150/125/90/70
(+30 Def, +40 SpA, +20 SpD, +10 Spe to put it in a better speed tier)
Ideal Set: Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave, Haze

>>33458097
hey look me again

>Mega Muk
>Poison/Water
>Ability: Regenerator
>Stats: 105/145/85/95/120/50
(+40 Atk, +10 Def, +30 SpA, +20 SpD)
Ideal Set: Surf, Gunk Shot/Poison Jab, Curse, Shadow Sneak

>>33457617
A mix of interesting and terrible. Gigalith is one of the worst ideas and hydreigon's speed is to slow. The avalugg is funny though.

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>>33457617
>mega masquerain
>literally a rainy volcarona

>>33457738
inspect element

bars have to be copy/pasted from other mons, use edit as HTML

>>33458097
I've always enjoyed the concept of a Poison/Fire Mega Weezing because fumes, radiation, gasoline, etc. I imagine Mega Weezing would be a very nice Defense tank. Pain Split should be replaced with something like Thunderbolt. I say Mega Weezing would be B+ rank UU.

>>33457617
>Water/Dragon Feraligatr
>base 98 speed
>Sheer Force instead of Tough Claws
What the fuck is Feraligatr going to use that Sheer Force is better on than Tough Claws? Tough Claws is objectively better in almost every situation since it doesn't have Life Orb if it's going to Mega.

>>33458234
I don't understand why anyone would make Feraligatr less than base 100 speed. I mean it has Dex entries going on and on about how goddamned fast this son of a bitch goes.
>It is hard for it to support its own weight out of water, so it gets down on all fours. But it moves fast.
>Although it has a massive body, its powerful hind legs enable it to move quickly, even on the ground.
>FERALIGATR intimidates its foes by opening its huge mouth. In battle, it will kick the ground hard with its thick and powerful hind legs to charge at the foe at an incredible speed.
>It opens its huge mouth to intimidate enemies. In battle, it runs using its thick and powerful hind legs to charge the foe with incredible speed
>It usually moves slowly, but it goes at blinding speed when it attacks and bites prey.

Feraligatr should cuck Deoxys in speed.

>>33458234
Yeah dude lets just make a purely outclassed Megazard X

>>33457494
Sadly primary types cannot be changed by megas

>>33457617
I have always thought that Mega Conk would get the cement pillars as gloves and give a good slap to everything on its way

rate my shitty attempt to make corsola viable

Mega Corsola

Base Form:

Hustle > Sturdy

Now learns: Shell Smash

Mega Form

Ice/Rock

HP: 65 (+0)
Atk 35 (-20)
Def: 95 (+0)
SpA: 155 (+90)
SpD: 65 (-30)
Spe: 95 (+60)

BST: 410 > 510

Ability: Dazzling

Mega Hydreigon
Dark/Dragon.
Ability: Multi-shot; all special moves hit twice.
Hp: 92
Attack: 105
Defense: 110
Special Attack: 155
Special Defense: 110
Speed: 128.
BST: 700. You can guess what his role will be.

>>33458325
>waaah megazard x will be outclassed
>when mega metagross already exists

>>33458297
>Feraligatr should cuck Deoxys in speed.
Let's not go full-retard here. 98 base is such a retarded speed tier though, like come on. Megas should be make less relevant Pokemon better (though they rarely do this) and people just tend to follow patterns or be unoriginal when giving Feraligatr a mega. It's always
>okay let it keep Sheer Force
>okay make it a Dragon because it's a lizard
>there, that's a perfectly good mega!!!
Like fuck, Sheer Force doesn't even work with any of the Dragon-type moves it can learn.

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>>33458440
>310 base SpA

>>33457462
Do you think we will get new megas in usm?

>>33458563
>Unaware
Why?
>Sand Stream
lol

>>33457617
>Simple Volbeat
Sticky Web + Tail glow HO madness.

The scariest things on there are Noivern and Dewgong (STAB Belly Drum + Ice shard + Genwun coverage sounds terrifying)

>>33458616
Oh and STAB aqua jet
So basically only Water types wall it and Mach Punch/Accelerock/Espeed are the only ways to get around it.

>>33458442
Remind me when metagross was a dragon type with ddance.

>>33458389
I can't believe I didn't notice this. I recall strictly thinking about this when I was designing him, but I suppose I'm a wee retarded.

>>33458470
I was joking about Feraligatr cucking Deoxys in speed.

>>33458625
If you let it set up, yeah. With rocks up it'll be at max 25% health when it boosts.

>>33458470
It still boosts Waterfall and Ice punch. EQ and Aqua Jet get the same boost without recoil, and dragon type gives it some new defensive options, and neutral STAB against water. Again if it had more than 100 speed it would just purely outclass zard x.

>>33458440
Ubers, you fucking idiot. A Mega should never be designed with a "straight to Ubers" mentality. A smarter choice would have been a variant of Sap Sipper that rendered Fairy-type moves useless. All of his stats are just good. Fantastic Special Attack and Speed and tolerable bulk. Mega Hydreigon doesn't have all the perks of Mega Kangaskhan and Parental Bond, but no doubt it's better stat-wise. It'd be a far lower rank in Ubers because you have Fairy-types, Dragon-types, and Fighting-types to deal with as opposed to Mega Kangaskhan's single Fighting-type weakness. It's too overpowered to be placed any lower than Ubers, but it'd be bad in Ubers. I say D-rank Ubers.

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>>33458676
I've always seen Mega Feraligatr as Water/Dark. You could actually give him Sheer Force because then you'd have Waterfall, Crunch, Ice Punch, and even Rock Slide to all deal fantastic damage. Tough Claws is solid too, but they're both fucking unoriginal.

>>33458719
Water/Dark is just played out.

>>33458729
The problem with Johto starters is their designs warrant nothing about adding a second typing. Mega Meganium could be Grass/Fairy but you can't add Fairy to anything just because it's cute. They're all better off getting Alolan forms with good duel typing.

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Mega Salazzle
Ability: Merciless
HP: 68
Attack: 64
Defense: 80
Sp.Atk: 170
Sp.Def: 95
Speed: 130

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mega arbok and krookodile anon back with another banger

literally just swapped special attack and attack and gave it the type + super luck so it could have fun with a cool 50% crit chance on leaf blade and night slash. Added knock off just in case. It already gets tons of good physical coverage moves like low kick, earthquake, thunder punch, rock slide, and drain punch, so it could turn out pretty nice.

Mega Mew
Psychic
Protean
100
125
110
125
110
130

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Here's a new one. Yes, health drainage, recoil, and status effects are taken into account with Self Aware, so it can use Double-Edge and Belly Drum without issue. If it had something like Outrage that causes confusion, that's negated, too.

>>33457617
>mega shedinja
>nothing changes except it gets an actual health stat

>>33458754
But you could add fairy if you give it big fairy wing petals and fancy antennas.

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If D/P starters get Megas...

Mega Torterra
Type: Grass/Ground
Ability: Solid Rock
Base Stats: 95/139/155/75/125/36

Mega Infernape
Type: Fire/Fighting
Ability: Adaptability
Base Stats: 76/129/81/129/81/138

Mega Empoleon
Type: Water/Steel
Ability: Competitive
Base Stats: 84/86/118/136/126/80

>>33458440
>that bulk
>that speed
>ability is a special huge power except better and and with fucking base 155 special attack
Would unironically be AG.

>>33458676
Sheer Force doesn't boost EQ and Aqua Jet, moron. Feraligatr doesn't give a fuck about defensive options, it's a sweeper/wallbreaker. What it wants is speed and a secondary STAB.
>Again if it had more than 100 speed it would just purely outclass zard x.
Who fucking cares? MegaMence completely outclasses Zard X in every respect possible, why are you limiting megas just because it may be better than another? Furthermore Zard X has an offensively superior typing so I don't know why you're insisting that Zard X would get outclassed.
>>33458719
I'd avoid Water/Dark just because Mega Gyara has it but I guess it's impossible to stop them from stepping on the other's toes.
>>33458754
Nothing about Altaria said Fairy but Gamefreak gave it Fairy anyway. It's a mega, a different design can represent a different type.

>>33458690
>bad in Ubers
>all special moves hit twice
Yeah right, it essentially has a special variant of pure power that lets it hit through subs.

>>33459371
>Sheer Force doesn't boost EQ and Aqua Jet, moron.
I know that you idiot. I'm saying the attack boost is equivalent, or slightly higher than Life Orb, but without the recoil.

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HP: 190
Attack: 100
Defense: 1
Special Attack: 100
Special Defense: 1
Speed: 133
Ability: Innards Out

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>>33457462

>>33457462
What's the point of this kind of thread none of them will ever be real anyway, waste of time.

>>33459433
Having a bit of imagination doesn't hurt, even if it doesn't ever happen.

>>33458440
I have decided to revamp, revise, and replace this atrocity.
Here is its new ability: Pixie Drive; all fairy moves shall boost its special attack.
The stats are the same, except the defenses are 125 each, and it has 98 speed. Also, cutting special attack to 140, and having it get a boost in attack to 110. The other 10 shall go to speed. 108 is Kartana level, right?

>>33459433
I'm guessing you didn't perform too well academically in school, huh?

>>33459463
None cheap, still good. Nice.

>>33459371
I think the idea is to NOT make more mega salamences.

>>33457469
3.5/10
Fairy type is completely unnecessary and you know it.

>>33457658
What website is this?

>>33459241
What do you guys think?

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>>33459540
Honestly looks perfect to me; realistic too.

I'm a fan of the decreased speed and increased bulk on Torterra

>>33459494
I seriously doubt you could get Feraligatr to MegaMence status without breaking it in the most blatant way possible. Regardless, that's not what the point is.
>>33459418
And I'm saying that it's a pointless ability when Tough Claws exists and is better in almost every way given Gatr's movepool. You're only trying to make it keep Sheer Force because you have this misguided notion that it'll outclass Zard X.

>>33459576
Huge Power is also better in every way. That's not how it works.

>>33459576
Nothing can notclass the Burasto burn!

>>33459582
>comparing Sheer Force/Tough Claws to Huge Power
Stop being disingenuous.

>>33458389
Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be. The HP thing seems more for mechanical reasons anyways.

>>33459606
>it should get this ability because it would be more powerful
Stop dodging the point

>>33459618
You have no point.

>>33459624
I'm sorry you're illiterate.

>>33459624
Can't dodge the intangible.

>>33458389
Yes, they can. They simply chose not to change any pokémon's primary type.

Would mega Hydreigon have 3 or 4 heads?

>>33459625
Okay then, explain to me what your point is because I'm not seeing it beyond you making stupid comparisons.

>>33459642
Why is it stupid? After all, Tough Claws is a pointless ability when Huge Power exists and is better in every way given Gatr's movepool.

>>33458972
>making it fairy for no reason

Post the site to make it c'mon

>>33457480
>making it ground for no reason

>>33457480
>The moves used by this Pokemon bypass abilities and type resistances/immunities
literally just give it earthquake and return

Mega Crabominable
Contrary
Attack 132 > 172
Defense 77 > 92
Sp Defense 67 > 82
Speed 43 > 68

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>>33457689
Good defensive type, hard to take down, especially with Coil. Strong, but very weak to Psychic type Pokémon. Typing and stats make sense.
9/10
>>33457505
Too strong. New stats aren't coherent with the original ones.
2/10
>>33457894
120/120/120 defenses are way too bulky even for defensive Pokémon, more so for a Pokémon with a big focus on attacking. Ability is good and typing makes sense. With less bulk, this would be great.
6/10
>>33458097
Decent defensive typing and surplisingly good offesive Pokémon. Poses a threat to strong Fairy mons like the Tapus.
8/10
>>33457469
Stats make ok, but losing Regenerator and Reckless might be a disadvantage. Be aware that a Reckless Life Orb Mienshao is more powerful than this Mega-Mienshao; however, losing attack power for 150 speed is not that bad. Still, it shouldn't be a Fairy type, as it's powerful enough already.
6/10
>>33457546
Stats are good, ability makes sense considering both the Pokémon's looks and gameplay. Unfortunately, it doesn't hit as hard as a normal Krookodile with a Life Orb.
8/10

I'm going to post my own megas later

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Mega Gliscor
Ground/Flying
Ability : Dark Seeker (Dark Steelworker)

HP : 75
ATK : 140 (+45)
DEF : 140 (+15)
SPA : 45
SPD : 100 (+25)
SPE : 110 (+15)

Learns : Leech Life, Brave Bird, Fly, Sucker Punch, Pursuit, Crunch, Gunk Shot

>>33458645
Not with Normalium Z

>>33461600
Oh wait, this is a shitty Mega thread

>>33457956
aww

Em, Elektross has low usage because of its low speed.

>>33459241
Nice bulk.

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>>33461382 here

Mega Golurk
Ghost/Fighting
Iron Fist
HP: 89
Attack: 124-->154 (+30)
Defense: 80-->115 (+35)
Sp.Atk: 55
Sp.Def: 80-->115 (+35)
Speed: 55
Golurk's body becomes colored like bronze and its head gains a gladiator-style helmet as its acient fighting spirit awakens. It's very durable thanks to its typing and general bulk, while also packing a punch with its Ability and Attack. It can use its extensive pool of Fighting type moves like Drain Punch of Power-Up Punch to make itself stronger or go all-out with moves like Hammer Arm and Supepower.

Mega Solrock
Psychic/Rock
Drought
HP: 70
Attack: 95-->125 (+30)
Defense: 85-->130(+45)
Sp. Atk: 55
Sp. Def: 65-->90 (+25)
Speed: 70
Solrock's rocky spines become sorrounded by fire, as small rocks begin orbiting around its body, mimicking the solar system. Drought gives it protection from Water-type attacks and strengthens its Fire-type moves. It can be a good physical tank, with its great Defense and good Attack.

Mega Rapidash
Fire/Fairy
Pixilate
HP: 65
Attack: 100-->135(+35)
Defense: 70-->90(+20)
Sp. Atk: 80-->90(+10)
Sp. Def: 80-->90(+10)
Speed: 105-->140(+35)
Rapidash gains a pair of flaming swings, its horn changes shape and glows and the iris in its eyes becomes blue. Mega Rapidash has a good offensive presence, using its extreme speed to boost powerful moves like Return and Double-edge.

Mega Weavile
Dark/Ice
Technician
HP: 70
Attack: 120-->155(+35)
Defense: 65
Sp. Atk: 45-->80 (+35)
Sp. Def: 85
Speed: 125-->155 (+30)
With Technician, Weavile gains access to a huge variety of options. Bite, Feint Attack, Aerial Ace, Pursuit, Metal Claw and many others become viable options. It's still frail, but it's able to outspeed almost all the other Pokémon in the game. If the opponent uses priority moves to counter it, it can defend itself with a boosted Ice Shard or Quick Attack.

I have a few more but I reached the comment limit. Can I get some feedback?

>>33462095
>Bite
>not Beat Up

>>33462108
>Not wanting your opponent to flinch

>>33462122
>not wanting to be bullied by Weavile

>>33462095
>Technician boosted Weavile Ice Shard
I need it.

>>33458605
Unaware helps you take down opposing set up sweepers and pokemon with boosted defense. Thematically its an extension on Mold Breaker ignoring the target's defensive ability

Sand Stream on Flygon lets it play team support in combination with U-Turn like how Pelipper does

Mega Infernape.
Ability: Guts.
Fire/Fighting.
HP: 76
Attack: 140
Defense: 85
Special Attack: 110
Special Defense: 85
Speed: 138
BST: 634. I like this build for its power, and its usage of guts to boost it further beyond.

>>33463012
Guts on a Pokemon that can't be burned? I don't know

>>33457617
>>33457617
some of this shit is just bizarre
>regenerator typhlosion
>levitate qwilfish and magnezone
>heatproof escavalier because god-forbid anything be weak to anything
>Stomping Tantrum Tyrantrum
>whatever gigalith is supposed to be
>scrafty losing shed skin for prankster
>technician dewgong (?????????)
>that machamp

why?

>>33463377
Badgers have crazy regeneration. Just like ermines, hence Mienshao. Mechanically for Eruption/sneaky pebbles.
Qwilfish I pictured blowing up like a balloon and floating. Magnezone is self-explanatory, I don't get your confusion.
It's still weak to fire, just not 4x. Designed to get a hit in no matter what.
Thematic.
Gigalith's dex describes a solar powered special attacker, and there's no good power gem user. Grass is because I pictured an ancient crystal cannon covered in moss, better defensively, STAB solar beam. Fun in the sun and sand.
Prankster is thematic. Priority substitute, bulk up, taunt.
Seals are very coordinated, hence circus seals. Technician ice shard, aqua jet, icicle spear, etc.
>>33457779

>>33462095
That weavile is completely fucking obscene.

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>>33457617
>Lanturn with drizzle
>100 acc STAB thunder

>>33463140
It doesn't have to be a burn. Guts will boost your attack with any status.

>>33457462
M-Mightyena

HP: 70
ATK: 90 (+65) 155
DEF: 70
SP. ATK: 60 -> (-15) 45
SP. DEF: 60 (+40) 100
SPE: 70 -> (+15) 85

Type: Dark/Ghost
Ability: Fur Coat

Total: 420 -> 520

Mightyena gains a "hellhound-ish" look with dark mist shrouding it with a rich, thick fur coat. Can work as a defensive switch-in with Intimidate and then Mega or be a mid to late game clean up bulky sweeper by stacking up a Moxie boost or two and then Mega.

>>33463979
Meant to change Speed to +10.

>>33463820
How so?

>>33464009
Outspeeds "almost" everything meaning literally everything except Ninjask and Deoxys-S. Plus technician ice shard, beat up, and icicle spear with 155 attack? Instant fucking ban.

>>33464043
If you survive, a freaking hidden power fighting will deal with it.

>>33464064
>le fragile meme xd
Same applies to regular weavile, which is already OU without a boosting ability and without outspeeding literally everything. It's fucking absurd. Dial it way the fuck back.

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>>33464091
>mfw not contributor of ice weasel.

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>>33464043
True, but does not have the power "nuke" opponents, unless it takes a big risk by setting up. Even than, it has some difficulties dealing with the likes of Tapu Fini, Scizor, Gyarados, Skarmory, Toxapex, Extreme-Speed users in general and some scarfed mons as well. I suppose I could make it a bit slower, though, even if I didn't want it to be slower than Mega Alakazam.

>>33464187
Also, what's up with the Beat Up thing? Sure, 90 total BP it's cool, but how is it better than other moves of the same power?

>>33464043
na, weavile have shit base power for its moves

>>33464187
What the fuck does it matter when it KOs zam with boosted priority? It got where it is purely based on its offensive type and great, but not top tier speed. If it had a real ability AND outsped literally the entire metagame, it's an instant ban.

>>33457617
Some of these look terrible and others look downright broken. Some are strange, I don't get your thought process, Hustle Seviper while keeping its mixed stats? Serene Grace Mantine just for Scald spam, I guess? Is Levitate Quilfish a pikmin reference?

>>33463012
I guess if you wanted to know what it looks like, here ya go:
Upright instead of hunched over. The flames turn a bright blue, and his ears elongate a few inches. The golden swirls turn orange, and his lower leg fur turns red as well. The arms, upper legs, and tail all become pale red, and his unibrow is joined up with its fire hair. The wrists emit blue flames, and there are 3 front-facing toes instead of 5. The 2 leftover toes move to the back of the foot. His tail itself lengthens, and glows red, as if it is molten.

>>33464257
>What the fuck does it matter when it KOs zam with boosted priority?
It's actually a 69.3 - 81.6% damage, but that's not important.
Would lowering the speed to 135 be a batter idea? Explain more of your point of view, but keep in mind that the current Attack is just a free Life Orb and that Mega Alakazam, just as an example, isn't weak to SR, is bulkier and can inflict more damage with a 150 base speed.

>>33464331
Its strength is a wide mixed movepool, its weakness is shit speed, which is fixed. Its special coverage wont be affected by hustle accuracy drop, while its attack will be boosted like fuck, especially with Coil. Also it's a meme with Zangoose's ability.
Scald and air slash. Is that really no enough for you? Serene Grace Scald is a niche in and of itself.
It's a "pufferfish blow up like balloons and poison is weak to ground" reference.

>>33464393
Zam also doesn't have dual STAB that murder everything and face no immunities. And it relies on focus miss for coverage, has no priority, no free damage via boosted fake out, no prankster immunity, no nasty plot unlike weavile's SD. The list goes on.

Why the fuck is a free Life Orb okay, on top of a technician boost, and obscene speed for a mon that's already so threatening offensively? What the fuck are you thinking?

>>33464399
No, it's just... Serene Grace on Mantine sounds weird. I can't imagine it. Maybe if there was a design that justified it it'd be better.

>>33464483
>manta rays aren't graceful
What the fuck am I reading?

>>33464493
An opinion, like most of this thread

>>33462136
There is no counterargument to this.

>>33464251
Sub smashing.

Mega Vikavolt
Ability: ElectroLock; electric type moves used by this pokemon cannot miss.
HP: 77, no change
Attack: 50, minus 20
Defense: 90, no change
Special Attack: 160, plus 15
Special Defense: 90, plus 15
Speed: 138, plus 90
I like this idea.