You can't argue with that.

>>33456275

One Piece is a better manga than Naruto though

>>33456275
That Ash turned from an insufferable moralfag into an entertaining antihero?

>>33456275
Nigga are you talking shit about One Piece?

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>>33456295
Just like SM is a better anime than XY.

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>>33456295
That's true, but the One Piece anime undeniably has awful art.

>>33456300
One Piece is a joke both as a manga and anime

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>>33456317

>>33456275
All shonen except fist of the northstar and jojo are shit. And one of them is dead and the other one became a seinen.

>>33456317
OP here. I know. I'm a huge One Piece fan but I can't stand it's current Anime adaptaion.

So you're saying XY is a series with detailed art that works well in still pictures but not so good in motion while SM is a fun adventure with a more simplistic that looks its best in motion? You're right, I can't argue with that.

>>33456317
has awful animation
while Pokemon SM animation is good

>liking any kind of long-running shounentrash

>>33456275
>the anime has always been shit
I read you loud and clear

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>>33456295
But the better ones are still matched up, anon.

>>33456326
>Tfw this moment still remains as one of the best animated scenes

>>33456275
The difference is that Ash will never ever be a Pokemon master, but Naruto sure as hell actually became Hokage.

>>33456346
>tfw the entire message of Ashs existence basically is that its the journey that is important and not the destination but at the same time also show that he will never achieve his dreams and forever be the same dumb, useless 10 year old he always is

>>33456275
One Piece is an ugly abomination of a manga and anime. Fuck those ugly character designs.

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>>33456344
feels painful man

>>33456327

Anon, shonen is not a genre. It's a demographic.

Shonen simply means it's aimed at young males.

Seinen is aimed at adolescent-to-young adult males.

And kodomo, which is the demographic Pokemon is aimed it, is aimed at young children.

>>33456275
One has a bad plot and boring style, and the other shakes things up and has a very flexible style that makes way to try new things with the animation, hmm..

So both are shit but become truly insufferable after the timeskip?

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>>33456369
>I wanna be the very best
>like no one ever was

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>>33456373
Shit taste spotted

>>33456369
That's actually a pretty good message, it's a shame Ash himself never says that so he's actually just constantly failing in his goals

OPfag here.
Stop comparing Oda's work with your shit cartoon. And SM is boring shit.

>>33456380
It's both you elitist otaku, just because you like to be 100000% correct all the time like an autist and force your made up facts on other people doesn't make them true.

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>>33456373
Don't hate them because they're beautiful.

>>33456410
why do you rather XY to SM
The battles?
Thas what you found entertaining?

>>33456431
>It's both you elitist otaku

Factually incorrect.

Speed Racer and Dragon Ball are both shonen.

But you wouldn't say that Speed Racer and Dragon Ball are the same genre, would you? Of course not, because one is about racing, and the other is about fighting.

>>33456450
Speed Racer is not shounen. It's racing...

>>33456440
Not that guy, but the problem I've had with SM so far is that there isn't as much of a sense of purpose/direction

Obviously Pokémon has never had too strong an overarching plot, and it's good that they're doing something other than gym badges -> league -> new region, but it also makes it harder to feel like we're looking forward to much.

>>33456456
>shonen is not a genre
did you read his shit at all

can the mangekyo sharingan see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch lol!

>>33456457
If you want the hero's journey formula, literally just go read the fucking new testament or journey to the west.

>>33456475
You seem angry.

>>33456373
there's plenty of your highschool moeshit to pick from, anon!

>>33456456

Correct, Speed Racer is about racing.

However, it's a shonen because it's aimed at boys. Anything that's aimed at boys is shonen.

>>33456475
The New Testament is nothing like the hero's journey. It's an anthology series, you dipshit!

>>33456486
Don't worry. It's a common trait among autistics to misinterpret moods.

>>33456380
I remember having this same argument against ashfags, they're too retarded to argue with.

>>33456327
>jojo
>remarkable in any way among shonen
Swap hnk with hxh you elitist fuck.

Also, even the worst shonen is better than the ashnime anyways.

>>33456317
As is the fate of any cash cow, Toei realised they could put basically no effort into the anime and still make a fuck ton of money. The Enies Lobby/Thriller Bark golden age is long gone and we're never going back.

>>33456500
Fucking idiot. Almost every single story in the new testament follows that formula.

>>33456501
>resorting to call muh le autisme
Ok then, stay mad I guess.

One Piece manga: Best Classic Battle Shonen ever

One Piece Anime: Worst shit in existence

Naruto is totally awful in any way

>>33456509
St. Paul's and St. Peter's letters? The Book of Revelation?

>>33456504
Good times, good times.

>>33456517
>Worst shit in existence
No. That will always be the ashnime. The competition is for the second worst shit in existence.

>>33456517
It fits.
>Pokemon games
>one of the best turn-based rpg ever
>Pokemon anime
>strong contender for worst anime ever

>>33456523
>cherrypicking from the bible

>>33456528
>strong contender*
Unchallenged winner*

>>33456504
Fuck nuToei. I was looking forward to Tri a lot but the animation is just trash. It's not like they don't have the money but the studio doesn't care about anything besides optimizing profits.

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Keep one piece out of this.

>>33456532
Have you seen Ultimate Girls?

>>33456501
>implying all autists are like that
did you fail your psychology major? :)

>>33456529
>thinking the New Testament is just the four Gospels

>>33456517
I would put FMA far above OP as far as battle shonen manga goes. For of the few that doesn't drag on too long.
HxH is also far better but it will never ever be finished.

>>33456528

I'm agree with this. Ashine hurts me as a pkm fan

>>33456554
FMA is Seinen.

>>33456559

I mean ashnime, fucking phone

>>33456540
According to wikipedia, it ended. That alone makes it better than the ashnime. And it started its franchise instead of hindering a preexisting one so bonus points.

>>33456563
It isnt

>>33456554
HxH is only good if you dont know what a comic is.

>>33456554

I think OP, FMA and HXH are the best by far. But OP is one step up though. HXH 2011 anime is an orgasm btw

>>33456583
>actually thinking OP is better than HxH
You have to be kidding.

>>33456583
Ultimate Girls gave me my first boner, so I guess I have to give it bonus points for that. So far, the ashnime has not given me a boner. Lana's mom was close, but her scene was too short.

>>33456604
No, i actually care about something other than consistency and world building which op does better anyways.

>>33456617
Anon, even implying that OP has a better superpower system than HxH is absurd.

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>>33456634
O

>>33456634
Only caring about consistency disregarding anything else is autistic.

>>33456648
MY

>>33456648
>pictured: inferior Yu Yu Hakusho

>>33456648
Can someone give me a quick rundown of "Oh my rubber nen," and why it's a meme?

>>33456648

The whole "nen gets stronger after death" is retarded. Otherwise nen is much better and more consistent and thought out than one piece

>BIRD CAGE

>>33456673
RUBBER

>>33456617
I agree that One Piece has better world-building. In Hunter x Hunter you rarely learn about anything that isn't immediately relevant to the plot, so ever new story arc feels like it's coming out of nowhere.

I still think HxH is better, though, mostly for the characters and plotlines. In One Piece all the plot seems to melt into irrelevance when you get to the point in the arc where all of the Straw Hats have paired off against an enemy, which takes up 90% of the content.

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>>33456275
Borut ruined naruto

>>33456730
holy shit what did they do to her?
was this punishment for all the doujins?

>>33456730
Only the Zabuza arc was good.
The Chunin exams were ok.
The it got progressively worse, and by the time part 2 started it had become pure shit. About a decade before Boruto came into existence.

>>33456754
Just like Bleach, Naruto had a really good premise but horrible continuation.

>>33456730
She looks like Nick Crompton

>>33456709
>In One Piece all the plot seems to melt into irrelevance when you get to the point in the arc where all of the Straw Hats have paired off against an enemy, which takes up 90% of the content.
I dont see how that's an issue at all as long as the plot flows there which it does.

I dont like hxh because it abuses exposition when it should take the visual approach expected from the comic medium, the nen concept feels more like something tailored to work in a shonen manga than some natural force the characters would have, and the art looks way worse than its supposed to for an acomplsihed mangaka, with some of the newer pages i see posted being outright rough sketches. Togashi's laziness is also unprofesional and disrespectful of its fans.

>>33456824
Hxh is yaoi

>>33456774
Bleach's premise was generic as fuck though. What you probably mean is that it had a good start.

>>33456275
I'm assuming you are a Sun and Moon fan then since Naruto is shit.

>>33456774
I almost feel bad for Bleach considering how abrupt and undignified its ending became.

>>33456842
That's literally what the premise of a show is.

>>33456774
Bleach was shit from the second arc, Naruto became shit after the timeskip, so don't compare them, I still have fond memories of pre timeskip stuff.

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>>33456824
>the art looks way worse than its supposed to for an acomplsihed mangaka, with some of the newer pages i see posted being outright rough sketches
...In fairness, it's been noticeably improving since this (2003)

>>33456862
Naruto was shit after the fucking zabuza arc, you imbecile.

Only manga worth reading is Berserk

>>33456400
Way to prove his point.

One Piece is basically "What if every single character in it was a variant of Chesnaught and Emboar design quality wise" and made a retarded pirate comic out of it.

Why does Pierrot always pick up the ONE series that undoubtedly goes to shit later on?

I wish I could get into OP
I always die of boredom around when Luffy is fighting Captain Buggy

>>33456856
No, learn what it means.

>>33456870
The fact that page was ever allowed to be published speaks a lot about how profesional the staff is.

>>33456953
If you want to get into it then you're better off reading it than watching it to start off with.

>>33456996
You learn what it means, moron.

>>33457002
How long would it take me to catch up?

>>33456996
>The fact that page was ever allowed to be published speaks a lot about how profesional the staff is.
Togashi is an editor of Shonen Jump and basically saved the magazine at some point.
Mind you that is the same magazine that publishes OP.

>>33456275
At least Naruto is hot

>>33457026
Probably about a week or two I'd guess, but it'd most likely only take you a couple of hours to get to the point where most people would agree that it starts to get really good.

>>33457026
There are about 800 chapters of One Piece right now, each one would take you 5-10 minutes at most, so I'd say about 80 hours of reading. You could easily do it in a month if you're dedicated.

There are also about 800 episodes, which comes out to about 260 hours. If you skip filler, that's still going to be about 150 hours. Plus, I find it easier to fit manga around other things, while anime you have to have nothing else going on.

>>33457056
Ew, Naruto is ugly, he is not Sasuke

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>>33457120
Step aside, ladies

>>33457135
Ew delete this, he is not law

>>33457135
>that nipple tease
h...hot

>>33456275

I don't know but that.

>>33456875
Zabuza arc is just as shit, "muh feels" doesn't change anything.

>>33457289
I don't know what makes you say that. None of the problems that plagued the manga afterwards was prominent at the time.

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>>33457120
Shit taste

>>33456275
Are you trying to say the anime from the shit literally became pure solid gold? I think it's the opposite.

>>33456323
Naaaaaah, you are joke both as a man and as a faggot!

>>33456275
Now i got the problem here! Many /vp/s are Naruto fans AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!

>>33456275
Seems about right.
SM, OP>> XY, Naruto

>>33456275
Actual fucking normie tier
>OP isn't ashamed of himself for watching One Piece and Naruto
Seek help.

>>33457752
>Says this while on a pokemon board

You have no place for saying this.

>>33457305
>non Sasuke or Naruto characters are useless
Check
>win via fox
Check
>introducing characters that do fuck all and are never seen again
Check
>needlessly long due to useless exposure and prolungation of fight scenes(Zabuza fight 2 is particularly annoying to get through in the anime, 8 episodes jesus christ)
Check

In fact, the characters introduced before and in this arc, meaning Konohamaru and Tazuna/Inari, only become relevant in the Pain arc.

>>33457048
>and basically saved the magazine at some point
And that's why we must forgive all his bullshit?

>>33456740
She's been doing nothing but eat cake and sweets for like 38 years

It gets to you eventually

>>33456327
JoJo is shit though. Also Hokuto No Ken aged like dog feces, you only like it for nostalgia, otherwise, both the manga and the anime but expecially the latter are hot shit.

>>33456339
>Implying the anime starts with XY
Now, what anime other seasons would be?

>>33456369
This has some sense, just look at all those neet losers manchildren on this board here.
Have they been influenced by him?

>>33457945
Kakashi did a lot of shit in that arc, what are you talking about? As for other characters not being seen again much that's not the Zabuza arc's fault.

Fox is the only point I really agree with, knew from the start to stay away from the anime so can't say how they handled it.

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Guys, guys. We all know the superior shonen series

>>33458286
Mi...midoriya-shonen

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>>33456275
Design-wise sure.

However, I think it's interesting that the One Piece manga and Pokemon anime actually both started in the same year. Despite that it's almost sad how much better One Piece has handled its story compared to Pokemon over that time.

Over 20 years One Piece has kept the same main characters from the beginning while adding new ones, and has been constantly developing them. The Straw Hats have always felt like they are progressing both in power and as people, and they have always felt fresh and captured hearts for 20 years. They've even aged. Also being a long-running series hasn't stopped the author from constantly bringing back plot lines and characters from over a decade ago, which helps unify the series nicely.

Compare to the Pokemon anime, where Ash is constantly having any development he gains as a trainer and a character wiped, and the main characters are treated as little more than shiny new toys to be thrown away after a couple years.

The Pokemon anime fucked up hard.

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>>33458286
why'd you post Naruto again?

>>33458559
This is kinda why I wanted all-new protags post-OS. It makes room for something interesting, and you don't have to wipe away their character and start from square one all the time because they're bound to their perspective game region.

>>33456910
Anime everywhere
>If he doesn't look like an over designed gay faggot, he's not powerful/relevant to the story
One Piece broke the mold. Some of the strongest, most powerful and compelling characters, with epic backgrounds look completely ugly/retarded. That's the beauty of it. Not everything has to be some cookie cutter bullshit. Anime watchers judge on looks too quickly. That character is a great example. He has the swim-swim fruit, which allows him to swim through solid matter. His power seems limited, but he uses it in a creative way and became a high level brawler. He was one of the main villains of the dressrosa arc. Because he walks around in baby clothes and has a large harem of women, other characters assumed he was a sex pervert. At the very end of his fight, it was revealed that he dressed himself up in baby clothes to try to make his mentally ill wife smile by reminding her of their dead baby son. He used to be a stud, but after she died, he let himself go, but vowed never to remove the clothing to honor them.

>>33458583
Even if they did decide to keep Ash, Luffy is proof that you can keep the same protagonist for 20 years and still have an interesting shonen series without constantly resetting your protagonist.

>>33457568
sauce?

>>33456439
Get the fuck out SnK poster

>>33458571
Naruto's communism. BnHA is the opposite.

>>33459132
I saw that video. He literally said it could be one of many interpretations. Now fuck off.

>>33458559
Well why it is interesting? A lot of popular japanese anime/manga long-rumning franchises started in those years, '96-98.
Pokemon, One Piece, Naruto, Yu Gi Oh, Digimon, etc..
>Despite that it's almost sad how much better One Piece has handled its story compared to Pokemon over that time.
Even here, what would you expected.
One piece is a manga for with teens with an author behind, who is himseld a fan of those kinds of products. Pokemon on the other hand is a kodomo which basically airs to advertise the franchise and let new kids know it. Well It had an "author behind too" but soon it became less relevant, like the executives actually decided for the show (remember the (missed) GS ball arc?). Also every main arc (OS, AG, DP, BW, XY, SM) should be considered a different series really, EXPECIALLY post-DP where the continuity completely got fucked up (untill there at least it was kinda solid).

>>33456275
loud obnoxious number-one knuckle head ninja in the bright orange jump suit

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>>33457056
You shut your mouth.

>>33459444
HanCOCK

>>33456302
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>>33456373
>>33456383

share a (You)

>>33458708
Suyohara

>>33456275
Yes, you can. What makes Luffy likable is arguably his emotions. He might act retarded all the time, but where it counts, he is more serious than everyone in the world. He can cry, he get angry, he laugh, he hate, he can love. He can be understanding and he can be the most selfish and stubborn thing when he finds something or someone he wants. He can be the most pride-less and the most prideful captain at the same time. All of this is something Ash can never do. He'll keep on acting like a forever smiling mouthbreather for most part, and when TEAM ROCKET comes around, he'll get angry. That's it.

He can't even properly feel sad about anything, not even losing the League or saying goodbye to his friends. He cried like a little bitch the first time he had to say goodbye to a Pokemon, his Butterfree. That show of emotion is what made that scene so popular. Same happened with Pikachu, Zard or even fucking Misty. During his League match, he started getting angry and sad the moment he realized he's going to lose. Now, he can't do that. He is incapable of emotion. He can only act like a retarded piece of shit, nothing more.

>>33459486

can I get one?

>>33456331
Fuck off
XY is my childhood

>>33456604
One Pice has more consistent highs and better world building.

Both anime should've ended instead naruto didn't neutered himself and spawned another messy franchise for gods sake how long it'll go

>>33459736
enjoy your ban

>>33459959
Sure
I'll call my daddy later and unban me

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>>33459979
>"My dad is John 4chan. "

>>33459991
How gullible can you be?

>>33460087
I'll get my 4chan daddy to ban u

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I miss him, /vp/.

There will never be a transition as bad as Sinnoh to Univa.

>We need to keep things status quo! Throw in a train with 7 legendaries to kick his ass and keep him from the victory we were building too for 3 years.
>...actually fuck it. He's back to 10 years old now, he has a new design and everythings different.

>>33456373
If you don't like it, then don't bother spread your hate about it. People like you are an absolute disgrace and cancer in the anime community.

Good thing One Piece is better than Naruto

Everyone knows that kinnikuman is the best shonen manga

>>33456706
NEN

>>33459959
Well if he had 14 years when XY started now he is old enough to post here. 14 can still be childhood.

>>33456275
one piece has better story/writing.
xy series is a Naruto knock off without the main character achieving his goal,
especially when greninja was a walking reference with his moves

serena and sakura whole "cutting my hair is character development"

Naruto would be a lot better if sakura sasuke and naruto were gone and lee was the main character

>>33457568
dilf

>>33461226
Pokémon has no story, it's an advertisement for a shitty videogame not a manga

>>33459383
>kodomo
>to advertise the franchise
None of these things mean it has to be shit or that it has to have the same MC, see super sentai.

>Also every main arc (OS, AG, DP, BW, XY, SM) should be considered a different series really
Thing is, its not.

>>33461245
>None of these things mean it has to be shit
But Pokémon is shit

>>33461252
That's pokemon's problem.

>>33457568
hotkage

>>33457568
wtf i love naruto kun now

>>33457568
I can see what Sasuke sees in him. It's the heart.

>>33456295
One Piece is the worst manga I've ever read and I'm glad I stopped watching the anime, what a clusterfuck.

>>33456380
Pokémon is not kodomo, what are you talking about?

>>33461673
What other thing could he be interested ?

>>33456275
XY&Z was the peak of the anime.

>>33461684
Pokémon is retarded, "pika pika pikachuu"
Fucking stupid

>>33461684
Well, its either kodomo (and oml thinks kids are retards) or for literal retards. And i doubt the retard market is THAT big.

>>33461777
Pokémon fans are retarded, it's big

>>33456275
I will never understand OPfags

They have literally been watching/reading about Luffy traveling for 20 years trying to become the Pirate King but literally no development beyond the regular status quo of learning new techniques, fighting bigger and stronger enemies, coming close to reaching his goal, and then having it snatched away at the last minute. The Grand Line was supposed to be where he was going to go to become Pirate King, but then he reached it, lost his brother, and basically reset his entire journey because apparently there were even bigger, stronger, and even more different enemies, animals and creatures waiting for him beyond the Grand Line. Instead of all of his experience during the time skip being reset, it was made not as powerful as the threats waiting for him in the Grand Line. He gets a new travelmate every 365 chapters and then fights or rescues them in each of their own respective arcs because for some reason all of them have to go through some "I don't want to be in the Strawhats, it's not my destiny" development arc.

And dont even get me started on the 500 COTDs they meet along the way, on each respective island. You can never tell which one is important and which one isn't.

And finally the super OP pirates/rivals/marines they also meet along the way that they can never seem to defeat until the very last minute due to some kind of bullshit willpower powerup. It always happens. Even if the character lore wise is supposed to be some God-like being, they can never stop the true power of Luffy's complete bullshit stamina and on the fly move pool.

Tl;dr Pokémon and One Piece are almost the exact same series even with execution and if you try to criticize one and praise the other you are a complete retard.

Finally it's the best thing i have ever seen xyz > sun moon and naruto > one pieceofshit

>>33461804
Eneru wasn't a "God-like being." Just a regular jackass with some brain problems and a powerful devil fruit ability.

>>33461807
>ashnime
>above anything

>>33461804
What's the original?

>>33461815
Its pasta anon.

>>33456326
The latest one piece episodes are worse and more painful to watch than that. They give 0 fucking effort to the animations.

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>>33456373
its about the story

>>33461842
I just wrote all of that myself. If you think that's pasta then I'll pay you $50 to find the original.

>>33461978
I asked about the original so I clearly don't have it. But no one who bothered to even speedread One Piece would get so many facts wrong about it.

Congratulations then, you made a new pasta.

>>33457568
Hot damn

All of this discussion makes me want to pick OP up. I'm terribly scared of the amount of chapters there is so I don't know. What are some other amazing mangas to pick up?

>>33461194

No 18 year old calls 14 their "childhood".

>>33458607
>dressing up yourself as a big baby to honor your dead child and wife
That is in no way touching, but borderline melodramatic. It only makes him as mentally deranged as his dead wife. There are countless other ways to honor your loved ones without dressing yourself up as a baby.

>>33462338

Just do it. Reading a couple chapters a day you'll catch up sooner or later. Just do that instead of reading 2 others

You're free to stop after the time skip anyways

>>33462761
>you're free to stop after the timeskip anyways
More like he's free to stop for 10 months after he catches up because One Piece week to week is torture. I went back and read Dressrosa in a few days and it is infinitely more enjoyable than it was week by week. Not to mention the breaks.

>>33462338
If you want to read One Piece read One Piece, you wont pick it up by reading other manga.
If you don't like it you're free to drop it anytime, and if you do, you´ll love going through it.

Just start it.

>>33462129
What facts were wrong? I've read all chapters up to this point and I can admit I'm only reading to see how it ends.

>>33456275
Boku no hero academia is better

>>33461226
>Lee was the main character
Guy and Lee are the single best things about Naruto and honestly kept me interested.
They're characters in world of bloodline champions and insane mystical power that basically use training hard, aspiration and never accepting themselves as complete and it's great to watch them compete in the world of Naruto.

Might Guy vs Madara is honestly one of my favourite scenes in the Shippuden series and I actually would have preferred if his sacrifice was meaningful like his father's

>>33463554
I agree with you these guys are just delirious and too little put forward unfortunately and of course I approve your favorite scene

>>33456953
Read it up until Arlong Park
That's where it gets great and only gets better from there

>>33462722
I only figured a place like /vp/ would have such terrible taste in everything.

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>>33462338
Step one is to read not watch
The initial parts are kind of weird, it's to be expected as it's the origin and the series has aged with its fans
Syrup Village is the first consistently good story but if you don't enjoy it don't give up. Arlong Park should be your make or break point, if you finish it and you aren't enjoying yourself then give up, this is not the series for you

>>33460601
too bad robots can't miss you back

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>>33461674

Please enlighten us with how far you got to call it a "clusterfuck" and what you count as good manga then, breh.