/heg/ Hacking & Essentials General

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>>33449184
>essentialsfag thread
report, hide and ignore

None. Essentials was a mistake.

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>essentials

>>33449184
There's a reason Hacking comes first in the title.

>essentialsfag is the /heg/ OP
Yeah, knew this would happen one day. I guess I can take a break from these threads for a day.

Also, DELET THIS.

My favorite Essentials game is the unfinished one

>>33449259
My favorite ROM hack is the one that uses generic FRLG graphics

make a new, proper thread and discard this one

>>33449275
This is a proper thread.

Gaia is my favorite hack so far.
I have no interest in essentials games anymore.
The three essentials games I've played had dialog on par with DeviantArt comments.

What goes into making a good fakemon?

Real thread over here:
>>33449354

>this thread will be nothing but shitposting with no actual discussion of hacks or fangames
>as per usual
So, does anything actually change now that essentialsfag made the thread?

>>33449377
yes, there's a proper thread now
>>33449354
just hide and ignore this thread

Good thread OP

>>33449377
Not really. People are just getting butthurt about it for no reason.

At least the OP image is actually related to the subject instead of
>HAHA FUNNY IMAGE OF MASUDA THINGKEN EDITION XD
>HAHA LE SATELLITE PICTURE :)

>>33449397
t. essentialsfag

>>33449397
>At least the OP image is actually related to the subject
No it isn't. It's bait in the form of a reddit meme.
At least try to be more subtle.

>>33449313
Limited color palette. Doesn't just get bigger when it evolves. Concept that makes sense that is also mixed with the design well. The aesthetic should be similar to official Pokemon.

>>33449448
It's not bait. It's some guy's opinion. Just like the last OP image was.

The people in this general are reaching /padt/ levels of autism.

>>33449482
The last OP image was also bait and a meme.
Back to
reddit with you.

>>33449503
>The last OP image was also bait and a meme.

And yet no one complained because it was anti-essentials instead of anti-romhack.

The circlejerk is real.

>>33449520
So leave.
What's the point of coming into a community and complaining about it? Go back to your essentials subreddit.

>>33449520
No, it's that people are getting sick of your shit. Infact, the last OP wasn't anti-essentials, it was anti-Uranium. Take your victim complex somewhere else.

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>>33449531
>What's the point of coming into a community and complaining about it?

It's not a "community." It's a thread for discussing ROM hack and Essentials games.

This is the problem with generals, instead of actual discussion about the subject matter it just because a shitty circlejerk.

I'm done replying. I'll be in the other thread.

>>33449554
Nice strawman.

>>33449573
It's not a strawman if it's precisely what's happening.

>we have one thread for two groups that clearly hate one another
>they've lumped themselves together by choice

>>33449545
>your shit.

???

I'm not OP.

>it was anti-Uranium
Which is an Essentials game. I guarantee if someone made a similar post against Prism or Vega people would've gotten butthurt about it.

>>33449452
Do you think it's better to have all fakemon or some fakemon and some official pokemon?

What's a good number of pokemon to have in a game?

>>33449669
It should be like an actual game in the series is, introduces some new Pokemon but has some others as well

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>>33449669
I prefer all fakemon just because I like seeing original content. Also it reduces the chance of the art clashing between the fakemon and the official Pokemon.

>>33449669
Both are good in my opinion, but if you're going to mix I suggest giving the old mons new sprites so they fit together.

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>>33449905
Yeah, this is worth doing if you're good at spriting. Phoenix Rising redid the official sprites and they actually look pretty good.

>>33449669
All fakemon is better. The latest gens showed how boring it gets when you have old mons.

>>33450506
You don't remember the complaints about B/W having unfamiliar Pokemon only?

>>33450513
all the people complaining about that were retarded
also stop bumping up essentialfag's thread

>>33450513
I liked BW for doing that.

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>>33449184
Anyone want to help?

>>33451554
Do the distrobultion packs even work at all?

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>>33449762
Are there any other games that have a good fakedex like this?

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Android version looks chunky

>>33452191
What is that?

>>33449192
>announcing false reports even is ironic

>>33449762
>lack of fairy types
>too many pokemon rip-offs
the same fate as pokemon sage.

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>>33449184
legit

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>>33449669
all fakemon

>>33452209
Dittoware

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Can anyone recommend which Moemon hack to play?

I've been wanting to nuzlocke with lolis again.

>>33452243
>that fire starter

wtf

>>33452191
The July release only had navigation and platform compatibility completed.
Menus and battles had the ability to be accessed, but no UI were completed or properly placed on them.

>>33453840
Any estimate on when the UI stuff will be finished?

>>33452285
Are there even any for the Gen IV games that aren't just copypastes of the Gen III Moemon sprites?

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>>33452823
That's the old design, looks like this now

>>33454537
Why is it electric type?

>>33454595
Why not?

Does anyone have a copy of the Pure Silver patch in the pastebin? The archive link isn't working for me.

I'm looking to start a new rom hack, what is the best one for the Emerald battle frontier with updated mechanics and breeding quality of life? It doesn't even have to be like Emerald, if I can just get to the battle frontier eventually

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Devamped Kalos Route 2. Getting the proportions took forever (Comparing XY to ORAS, ORAS to RSE, compressing the map size so that an ORAS map matches an RSE map, dimension-wise, and then RSE-izing ORAS to XY, all before finally putting it in GSC tiles).

>>33454614
Because it barely looks like one.

>>33455447
That looks good

I'm interested to see how you'd do something like the fossil mine area in a devamp.

Are there any cartridge version of the newer version of prism?

im looking for a romhack that has only these two changes:
>physical/special split
>removes evolution via trading
is there such hack available? Or is YAFRH my best option?

>>33456481
It should be easy enough to apply yourself, if you really want it.
I'll try it when I get home, which version?

>>33456481
I'm pretty sure a bunch of romhacks do that.

>>33456644
cool, thanks. FireRed please

>>33455683
It doesn't look like much of a fire type either. Unless being red is enough.

>>33449762
>Water starter evolves into Jinbei
This is the only fakemon I've ever liked >>33449905

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What do you guys think of my Route 1?

>>33457705
forced grass patches in rt 1 are bad and boring. love the concept other than that

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>>33457751
You might like route 2 then!

I'll take altering route 1 into consideration, it already feels a bit cramped anyway.

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>>33455447
I know it's not your fault, but without fancy distracting 3D graphics, this is quite a boring route.

If you're making an X/Y devamp (which would be great, since emulating 3DS games is anywhere from impractical to impossible) consider customizing the tiles and colors. Nothing major necessarily, just different textures for the trees, grass, water, cliffs... the common tiles give each region its own feel. Even GSC used the original RBY tiles to separate Kanto from Johto.

>>33455447
That looks good! Did you post other maps before this one? I'd love to see.

>>33457777
i do like that. i do find the zigzag pattern a bit boring especially right after one. but overall an improvement to rt1

>>33457705
>>33457777
The ledges don't make sense to me. They should indicate a rising slope, but they seem to just be there as backtracking shortcuts.

>>33457777
>>33457824
to add onto my other comment. i do like the beach spot. thats pretty nice.

>>33457777
So you're using a 16x16 grid instead of 32x32. That's alright for natural patterns of trees and dirt and such, but (a) it encourages 1-tile-wide paths and sharp corners, which are both annoying to navigate, and (b) it makes it possible to mess up more "standardized" tiles. Like the gatehouses. Your Route 1 gatehouse is one tile too wide, and Route 2 has weirdly adjacent doors (and a carpet in front of them, which never happens in canon; rugs indicate doors you can't see).

I do like that you changed the gatehouse roof color. They look not-boring that way. And are those dirt patches for Gen 3-style Berries? Neat.

>>33457751
Forced grass patches are standard for a reason. It's an excuse to need a Pokémon before leaving town, an early easy challenge, and a way to nudge kids into getting exp before fighting other trainers.

>>33457777
>>33457829
Yeah, if anything, the coast should slope *down* from the mainland. How is the water not flooding?

>>33457849
>>33457829
I'm thinking about putting a rock slope to address this, I was thinking of the ledges in ORAS style where they are more like little bumps.

Also, the north gate is missing a colored roof because I make the different towns have different colors and I haven't decided what color to make that town yet.

>>33457844
Is my gatehouse too wide? I thought they where 5 tiles wide in gen 2. I just wanted to standardize the carpet thing because it's a weirdly 4th wall-breaking, though.

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>>33458039
Here are GSC Johto gatehouses.
As long as you're being consistent with the carpet, then great. It's not like you have to obey any of Gen 2's design patterns, as long as you have your own patterns that look good. (And the 5-tile gatehouse does look fine, if that's how they'll all be.)

>>33458094
Oh, you're right! I guess I'll change that one since I only have 1 horizontal gate right now anyway.

Thank you for your feedback everyone, i'll be back in a while with some of the edits you suggested.

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>>33457801
>I know it's not your fault, but without fancy distracting 3D graphics, this is quite a boring route
Introducing, Kalos Route 1.

But, yeah, the simplicity of Kalos's early routes becomes a lot more apparent when proportionally devamped to GSC size (this explains the shitty use of vanilla tiles; my focus was solely on proper size/proportions). However, I should note that I actually don't plan on making a X/Y devamp hack; I only starting doing these maps out of boredom, mapping for the sake of mapping, like I did with Sinnoh. My plan (if you can call it that) was to make these Kalos maps and just make them publicly usable, with no credit needed. That way, if someone did make a Kalos devamp, or, more likely, include a portion of Kalos as part of a side-quest in their larger game (think Azalea Town in Brown and Prism), it would be properly proportioned in-line with GSC Johto thanks to my autistic ass, and that hacker could save development time by just using my maps.

But, especially after looking at this piece of shit Route 1, maybe this project wouldn't be worth it.

>>33457817
No, but I did make the partial Sinnoh devamp posted in previous /heg/ threads.

>>33458705
Did you still have a stitch of those maps?

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>>33458740
Of Sinnoh? Sure, right here.

>>33458822
how do i make those cool maps pls reply

>>33458847
Really, I just use G2Map, an ancient GSC map tool from, like, a decade ago, because it's faster for laying stuff out. Then, when inserting final maps into a ROM, I use crowdmap like everyone else.

>>33458872
tnx for the reply, im not a regular of these threads i just saw your maps while scrolling page 1 but devamping maps looks very cool i will try it

>>33458872
Can you describe what's faster about G2Map than crowdmap? I'm working on my own map editor for a pokecrystal-based hack (a C++ desktop application, not Javascript), and would like it to be user-friendly.

>>33458705
>>33458822
How about doing Lumiose City? It doesn't have a scan on Bulbapedia, so it would be most useful for other hackers.

I'm trying to inject Liquid Crystal as a Cia but the rtc and saving is broken. Is anyone else able to get hacks to work as Cias? I already patched it for SRAM separately and the rtc patch option says it's unnecessary

>>33459052
what cia maker are you using?
Though I think the RTC doesn't work no matter what you try

>>33459073
Ultimate gba injector. It offers rtc patch only for flash save option. Since saving didn't work already I'll see if flash works

>>33459099
I'm using the same one, then.
It seems that no matter that I do, the rtc doesn't work.
all the more reason for to figure out a unreal-time clock system
i want harvest moon-esque time passing, but I'm an asm infant and can't seem to figure any of it out

>>33459110
Yeah I have no clue where to start with that. I've heard people can get unpatched Pokémon to work with rtc so I feel like there should be a way to make it work with a minor hex change

why dont we just have an /hg/ and an /eg/

>>33459270
We don't need to split it
/hueg/ when?

>>33459282
I'd rather have /eugh/, frustration general

>>33459336
essentials unity general plus hacking?

>>33459395
Sounds forced, but I want the acronym

>>33459270
the thread's dead enough as it is

>>33458847
rpg maker has an easy map maker

>>33460812
>using essentials for a gen 2 styled game
don't do that
>>33458847
Don't listen to him, tiled is free and far superior if you want to dick around making maps

Is it possible to change the trainer AI in a romhack? Also would it be possible to have trainer levels scale dynamically based on how many badges you have?

>>33461811
Trainer AI, simple: edit trainers/attributes.asm so more classes use flags like AI_SMART and AI_TYPES.
Trainer AI, complex: learn Z80 assembly and edit battle/ai/scoring.asm, writing new routines to help it decide what to do.
Dynamic levels: https://hax.iimarckus.org/post/45510/

>>33461030
>>using essentials for a gen 2 styled game

Not everyone wants to make gen 2 maps. Crazy, I know.

>>33463010
>guy asks how to make cool devamped maps
>hurr durr not everybody wants to make a gen 2 styled game
Either way, use Tiled. It's free and it's miles better than advance map, RPG maker, and crowdmap for making mockups.
>buying rpgmaker just to make mockups

>>33463097
He asked how to make cool maps. Not devamped maps. Calm down demakefag. Also you don't need to buy rpg maker.

What about Fan Games General, or /fag/ for short

>>33464741
That would work

>>33449268
it's hilarious that you think that was a good comeback

>>33466999
>bumping essentialfag's thread when it was about to die
fuck you

>>33466999
It's true though.

>>33449584
Funny isn't it? Essentialfags need to fuck off

>>33467087
??? What's wrong with Essentials?

>>33467015
desu I thought this was the actual thread until I saw a link to the real one, so I bumped that too

>>33467300
This is the actual thread. The other one is just spam.

>>33457705
The tiles on the left look weird next to the grass and trees

>>33470425
hmmmm it's almost as if there are no Platinum hacks because rom hacking is limited to GSC and FRLGE. I wonder why that is.

>>33467243
I use essentials, it's somewhat clunky to play through and has framerate issues. Also, because of how easy it is to start using, a lot of essentials games are garbage because some people just throw in shit ideas with no concept of map design or region layout.

>>33470510
Nah, it's that there's no consensus on which of Origin, Flawless, Bloody, or Perfect Platinum is best.

>>33470713
>all just minor edits of the same game

Disgusting

>>33471955
The whole point is to take a good game, fix what was still wrong with it, and make a great game.

Essentials fixes what isn't broken, like the battle interface, and breaks what used to work, like every platform other than Windows.

>>33471955
gen iv hacking is in its infancy

>>33471955
most of the completely original games suck, and all the best ones are hacks anyways.

The best fangames are just improved versions of the main games, like Liquid Crystal or Red+

>>33472092
>Liquid Crystal
If you're going to cite an improvement hack, don't bring up Liquid Crystal. The bad writing and forced edgy protagonists ruin the game, and make the Kanto segment not even worth playing. Which is a real shame since the stuff that isn't terrible is really quite good.

The best Gen II GBA remake is Crystal Dust. It's not even finished and it's already better than Liquid.

>>33472092
I'd rather play something completely fresh than a shitty edit of an official game

Ideas for a Emerald overhaul?

>>33474276
So go do that.

>>33474725
All Pokemon available
Deoxys on the Moon and you take that damn rocket to get there
All event island tickets are in game
Day/Night cycle
Physical/Special split
Reusable TMs
Updated repellent system
HM Moves AND overworld items

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>>33474725
Red++ borrows from FRLG, Polished Crystal borrows from HGSS, an Emerald overhaul should borrow from ORAS. That means map tweaks (from the flowers in Oldale to the changed colors in Lavaridge), new locations (Sea Mauville, expanded Scorched Slab, Soaring-only locations (they could be accessible by exploring routes, or Rock Climb, or something), Lisia, Cosplay Pikachu, Mega Evolutions, post-Champion battle with your rival, etc. But of course don't borrow ORAS's fuckups like removing the Battle Frontier. And fix the standard complaints about RSE (Pomeg glitch, NPCs that are too easy/hard, too many water encounters, pic related). Beyond that, add an original touch to the game. Cameos from other generations, continuity nods like https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_cross-generational_references, anything you're inspired to add that fits with the atmosphere of the original. (Personally I'd like a snowy area somewhere.)

>>33474783
What about new evolutions for pre-existing Pokemon, like eevee or regional variants?

>>33474783
>a snowy area
I don't see that fitting too well in the Hoenn region.
I always thought of the first four generations following seasonal themes, with Kanto being Spring, Johto being Autumn, Hoenn being Summer, and Sinnoh being Winter.

I'm sure there could be a distant location accessible through something similar to the event ticket ship, or possibly even something north of Shoal Cave if done properly.

>>33474829
You mean fakemon? Can't recommend it. People will avoid the game just from hearing "fakemon", and 90% of them really are bad. If you're committed to a new Eeveelution, though, go for it, it's your game. IMO regional forms are more justifiable but still weird and non-canon. Also you can usually get away with retypings that make sense, but don't change the type chart, or at least provide a copy without the changes. (I can understand wanting to make Ice or Grass less bad.)

>>33474844
Neat pattern there. And Unova unites them all with in-game seasons.

>>33474844
A new mountain area could work.

What are the best hacks (if any) that work with UPRandomizer?

>>33449554
It's interesting that even people who seek out anonymous platforms begin to form persistent community groups. I wonder how many want to address ideas exclusively, and how many are actually(even unconsciously) seeking a clean slate wrt social hierarchy?

>>33474783
you could always convert mt. pyre to a snowy mountain on the peak
shit, you could even slap a-vulpix there for shits and giggles

Why is it when I make a cave warp in FR, the entrance works but the exit doesn't? If I change the movement permission to C or 1 the warp still doesn't work. Please help