What does /vp/ thinks of my zigzagoon?

>>33388599
>defence
>return over extreme speed
It's shit

>>33388615
but anon return is faster and what about if it gets hit

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>>33388599
>Salac
>252 def

decent no hacks required set.

>>33388615
you chose to be glass canon with weak priority move
i think salac berry that activates as soon as drum belly because glutony is fast enough. the def is to survive enemy priority, return is stronger.

>>33388628
got a better gluttony set?

Not that anyone cares but the legality/legitimacy of Extremespeed Zigzagoon is actually very much in question.

For event Pokemon in that era, people only really had second-hand sources of what moves/nature/etc. Pokemon got. Same goes for Wish Chansey.

This handwritten, unverified document is legitimately the only reason simulators allows those Pokemon, along with the word of mouth of people who claim that it's true.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/925601-pokemon-diamond-version/faqs/48598

>>33388678
252+ Atk extreme speed hits harder than the 4 atk Return, and it has a +2 priority so you don't need speed

And you can't sweep with 50% HP, no recovery, that bulk and 299 speed

Sitrus+Pickup / Figy+Gluttony sets are better imo

>>33388678
http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/linoone/

You need an even HP stat for the berry to activate after using Belly Drum. The last 4 evs always go in HP for 298 HP which is cut into half to 149 which is exactly 50%, activating the berry.

But that is a Linoone

>>33388780
fanfact: 299 speed after salac is 448 speed.

>>33388803
took you guys long enough.

>>33388800
good to know

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>>33388599
get out versify

>>33388784
switch seed bomb with dig.

>>33388780
at +6atk, return is strong enough.
but yeah, lack of recovery hurts. i originally wanted to do grumpig with drain punch, but to my woe grumpig doesn't get belly drum.

>>33388814
>fanfact: 299 speed after salac is 448 speed.

Watch out for choice scarf and some priority users (you don't have this problem with extreme speed)

>>33388770
Actually, you get one in Pokémon Box for the GCN

>return
kill yourself

>>33389077
how rude!

>>33388880
>grumpig with drain punch
Hypno gets Drain Punch along with Belly Drum, use Hypno instead.

>>33389123
but Hypno rapes little kids

>>33388935
>linoone is the fastest priority user
not really.

>>33389123
hypno doesn't have gluttony, sadly. i mean, sitrus berry is always an option but...

what about trick room slowbro?

>>33389134
Extremespeed is +2. You're faster than everything except Fake Out.

50% Berry + Gluttony + ESpeed is always better than this garbage.

>>33389134
>>linoone is the fastest priority user
>not really
its the only relevant extreme speed user

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>>33389134
Almost.

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>>33389207
>max speed of the pokemon that learn e-speed is 115

>>33389220
that image doesnt show deoxys speed