PTCG/O General: Gard kicking Garb to the Curb Edition

>>33348983
Oh boy, a new unbeatable bullshit deck.
Fuck this game, I quit.

Gardevoir saved the meta.

Best deck since Night March.


THE FRANCHISE IS SAVED!

>>33349002
To be fair, the only deck that made top 8 that wasn't itself was the deck it shits on (or so I gather from previous commentary).

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Are you gonna miss any EX era decks?
Ready for 4 more years of GX cards?
Will they print a Red GX card that will warp the meta?

>>33349037
>Are you gonna miss any EX era decks?
No, because a good number of EXs will stay in standard. Now, if you ask me if I'll miss the domination of EX Pokémon...then yes. I love big basic Pokémon that hit with the force of 1000 suns.

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>>33348983
>everybody and their mom plays gardevoir now
>no healing
>no fairy special energy
>free wins on ptcgo
>free wins irl
Thanks daddy gengar

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>>33349056
Darkrai may be seeing a resurgence, only needing two KO's is OP.

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>>33349076
Is this the new swampert ex?
4 of those and 56 dark energy?

>>33349073
I don't see how Gengar shits on Gardevoir, help a scrub out?

>>33349076
I prefer Pokémon that OHKO easily. They're easier to play and have more amazing combos, giving us funnier matches to watch.

>>33349076

5 dark, even with elixirs and patches in expanded good luck paying that cost. It's a neat concept but probably too hard to pull off reliably, especially when you have shit like Lele and Garde to make a heavily powered Guzzlord a sitting duck.

If it had a decent cheaper attack I think it'd see more play.

Which website is the best place to buy a booster box in Canada?

>>33349098
Set up board state so that you get 3 damage counters on everything. Po Town, Meloetta Early, Oricorio late and have wish batons ready to just keep exchanging gengars for gardevoirs until you win.
That said, in my lgs one time some kid couldn't afford a 3rd gardevoir so he used a regular gardevoir that has a heal and hardcountered my deck.

How many Leles do i have to have?

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>>33349196
2

>get the idea for a post rotation Gumshoos/Garb bullshit deck
>try out Torment Spray in the client
>the game chooses for you

Yeah no fuck this, who the fuck programmed that.

>>33349250
Your opponent would just shuffle their hand between the gumshoos effect and the torment spray IRL anyway.

>>33349250
I mean, if you were playing the physical game, you'd still have to choose randomly, they could shuffle their hand before you chose.

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How's this for a budget deck? I'm just starting out

>>33349273
really good

>>33349273
oh wait. Remove energy retriever and put in special charge. Energy retreiver can't take out special energy

>>33349270
>>33349264
If a player shows you their hand, you can memorize the card. The only way for them to shuffle is if they do it behind their back or something, but wouldn't that be against the rules? The card says you pick, so you could just play Gumshoos, say you're done looking and immediately play Spray and grab the card you saw. The opponent shouldn't be allowed to stop you and reshuffle their hand without you being able to see.

>>33349273
No wish baton and no baby volcanian either.

>>33349302
Been told to put special charge but don't have it yet

>>33349273
fuck me no professor letter either.

>>33349309
The text of the card specifies you have to pick a card at random. If you're picking a known card, you're not picking a card at random, you're not following the ruling of the card. And they could easily shuffle their hand in front of you.

>>33349002
>gets beaten by metagross builds
>gets beaten by solgaleo builds
>tough time with volcanion, needs a flawless setup or its over
>plenty of decks that can rough it up such as decidueye
>unbeatable
the meta has been pure cancer since night march, and hasnt been this ok to play since XY series

>>33349395
gross and solgaleo clunk out, and volcanion is the one that has a tough time against garde

>>33349418
against gard? i mean they dont have the advantage to as many decks gard would have but i have rarely won against sol and gross. and i probably just suck at deck building but typically volcanion has me cornered with its early setups

Go ahead and complain about Garde, you shits. This is the most varied and fair the meta has been since the dark ages of X&Y.

Don't like Garde? Find a way to beat it.

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>>33349273
Might want to invest in Kiawe or Volcanion EX. Some of those cards will be rotating on the 1st of September for Standard, find out which ones.
>>33349300
If you can't understand why Lele is so valuable then don't bother buying any. You certainly don't have to and people will appreciate the lack of competition both in buying the card and playing against you in matches.

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I just played against Shauna in 2017.

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>>33349612
share deck pls?

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>tfw Lele is my favourite waifumon from gen 7 and I wanted to buy all her featured cards
>tfw she turned out to have one of the most expensive cards in the game at the moment, with 3 different rarities, each one more expensive than the other.
>tfw she will get pricier when Shaymeme rotates out of standard.

JUST WAKE MY SHIT INSIDE

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>>33349636

>>33349666
Saved. Thanks friend.
>>33349658
>will get pricier when Shaymeme rotates out of standard.
(((TrollnToad))) employee spotted

>>33349666
>Weavile
No Espeon-EX for maximum memes? Lele is your only pokemon with an ability so I feel like Mr. Mime is a little pointless. If you're that worried you could just run another Acerola.

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GOOD GAMES AND SICK TOP DECKS WILL COME TO YOU IF YOU REPLY TO THIS POST WITH "this waifu isn't trash"

Quick, someone better than me at photoshop make this a thing

>>33349692
Mime is needed because Lele is a huge liability if you're streaming Weaviles but you're fucked if you don't play Lele. You could be in a scenario where you win if you don't kill your own Lele and lose if you do.

The idea of the deck is to either snipe all their support then come in and hit for big damage with Salazzle or have Salazzle two shot things then clean up with Weavile. Baton keeps energy in play since Salazzle will almost always two shot or one shot things. The only 230 mon is Gard but he gets finished off by Weavile.

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>>33349725
>censored
What a degenerate

>>33349725
THIS WAIFU ISN'T TRASH

>>33349758
I didn't make it, apparently the guy who did made it for an LGS with child players.
Besides, this is a blueboard you fucking degenerate.

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>>33349774
It's art though. You sound like the kind of faggot that would put pants on David

>>33349725
seguro votaste a macri

>>33349827
Not even Argentinian.

Las Malvinas no son suyas, pinches imbéciles. Pero felicidades por ese mundial. Disfruten sus copas

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>>33349811
Your reading comprehension is astounding and putting pants on a statue is silly when we could just stick a medium-sized stone leaf over that faggot's microdick and call it a day.

>>33349811
Tell that to the mods.

>>33349681
>Buying anything from Troll and Toad
>Ever

>>33349848
nice
>pinches
now tell me how to cross the border

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Mmm

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I got back into TCG about 2 months ago, been buying a bunch of booster packs and had some pretty good luck, does anyone else have that shop they go to that you just always pull something good? I sent my brother 3 packs and he got a Toxapex secret rare and Tapu Lele, I died a little.
Got half a burning shadows box to open wish me luck

>>33346562
30 streak? That is pretty insane. My highest was 24 with MRay in Standard. Not a big fan of Trevenant because of all the Darkrai GX. What is your list? Wally Turbo?

>>33349273
Good budget deck would be passimian/mew or greninja break. greninja break is 4 packs while everything else you can pick up with pikachu avatar packs. You an also make a sylveon control deck. sylveon is 1 pack. No offense but delphox is considerably bad, even for budget.

So when do the WC decks come out again? They're the only actual products I buy.

Alright, what's the ideal amount of packs I should toss out for a Tapu Lele-GX on ptcgo. People are asking for 30 right now, but I feel like she's only going to go up from here

>>33350645
You should buy lele for 26. Plenty of offers giving 27 but sometimes your lower offer can squeak in. If you sell, ask for 29+. You can buy for lower/sell for higher but those offers rarely work anymore. For example 12 hours from now the game hits peak activity, this is the perfect time to sell on weekdays so prices are couple packs higher. Now at this moment, activity is non-existent. trades are very slow but that means you can buy for cheaper too. All depends when you make those offers, and how long you are willing to wait.

>>33350661
Alright, I get what you mean. I don't mind being patient for this since I do need to get a couple of Leles before rotation hits.

>/vp/ after garbodor punished decks that refuse to adapt to a setup that relies on fewer items.
Cancer, ban this card.

>/vp/ after onion head has four energies by turn 2, and will one-shot anything with energy on it.
Based waifu saves the meta.

Oh well. You can't force scrubs to leave their imaginary cage.

I noticed some people can understand if an expansion they opened is a turd just by looking at the online code included.
What's the trick? How does it work?

>>33351193
Green code card = Regular rare at the end, however in Breakthrough to Evolutions there's a chance to have a Break card in the Reverse slot

Green and White = Holo, EX/GX, Full Art, or a Secret Rare at the end

>>33351193
I don't think that works.
However, in the original sun and moon booster box print run they fucked up the rng and every white code had either a holo rare or a GX.
They fixed it but some old booster boxes are still floating around.

>>33351193
>I noticed some people can understand if an expansion they opened is a turd just by looking at the online code included.

White code cards mean that the pack has a holo rare or higher, green means you got jewed hard unless the non-holo rare card goes for $4 or more.

>>33351218

That's normal, you're thinking of the whole mapping issue and that was eventually fixed.

>>33351226
o ok

>>33351216
>>33351219
I see, thank you.

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>>33351261
good.

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>>33349056
>I love big basic Pokémon that hit with the force of 1000 suns.

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>>33350056
I don't always go for the wally play but I have it available.

Necrozma is just a sick card for this deck. Megaray is literally a free matchup now, it shits on everything that deck does. Don't even bother donking their stadium, just get one fear off then black ray and you kill most of their bench

>>33351450
also SSU is only there because I lack computer search online.

>>33349037
>Ready for 4 more years of GX cards?
Yes
Tbh I'm happy gard won worlds, it shows stage 2's aren't dead, and that one of the basic principles of the TCG is being brought back (evolution) and big basic EX's slowly being phased out. I'm liking the direction the meta is going in, except garb of course.

>>33352028
Garb should hit for neutral damage.
"lol weak to garb" crippling so many psychic mons is terrible.

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>>33352028
Garb is a necessary evil. Looking back at old deck construction, would rather have the slow supporter heavy meta than what it once was.

>>33352050
Either that or something that can take items out of the discard without it being broken. Maybe a card which can move dicarded items to the lost zone.

>>33352076
Gen 4 remakes eventually and if the cards want to tie in to the game stuff we may get a return of the Lost Zone since I believe that was a gen 4 thing the first time around. Would be a great way to go about it.

>>33352028
Hell the other winner of worlds was Ninetales GX which is also an evolution.

Get fucked Greninja fans once again the deck fucks the player

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>>33352530

Should I trade Gardevoir now or wait more since it just won worlds? Dunno how much worlds affects prices

>>33352057
The problem with garb is that it didn't cure the cancer it just moved it somewhere else.

Gard isn't cancer, idiot

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Can I get a quick rundown on which packs to buy with tokens at the moment?, pretty green currently so I want to know what has good staples

>>33349076
I'd pair it with alolan raticate. Build up cumguzzler on the bench while the hamster attacks for free, or use shit like yveltal or baby fug.
Buuut I only play casually so who gives a fuck

>>33349314
>>33349322
>>33349302
You do see the part where he clearly has 12 energy right? There are 8 basic energy in there as well

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Please forgive me before I ask this, I've played the game series all my life but the TCG is still new to me. How do you play an EX card? Do you need a basic first or does it just come out onto the field?

>>33353762
A card will always say in the top left it if it's a basic or an evolution of some kind. Non-Mega EXs are always basics.

>>33353785
holy fuck thank you.

>>33353785
>Non-Mega EXs are always basics.
Except the very first ones

>>33353801
And just to clarify, EXs are being retired as a mechanic and replaced with GXs, which follow the same evolution rules as regular Pokemon.

>>33353816
Pokemon ex and Pokemon EX aren't the same though.

>>33353869
So EXs are just not allowed to be used or are they just inferior in a competitive deck?

>>33353881
Some are still allowed I believe but they will be rotated out eventually. They are still worth using depending on your deck

>>33353881
Their legality depends on whether the expansion set they're a part of is still a part of the Standard format or not. As of the 1st of September, Primal Clash through Ancient Origins are rotating, and no cards from them will be legal in Standard. They'll still be legal in Expanded though. For the most part though, regardless of legality, they are getting outclassed by GXs, at least in Standard.

>>33353881
EXs are big basics. Very quick to get out and on the field dealing damage. Most GXs are stronger, have more health and deal more damage, but (again this is MOST and not all of them) are evolution cards and that takes time to get out meaning there's a risk of lower stages getting knocked out.
For now its all dependent on the deck you want to build which is better. Eventually all EXs will be rotated out as it looks like they aren't making more as GX is the new hotness.

>>33353908
>>33353911
Just from looking at the OP I can tell why GX outclasses them. Is there a list of cards from older expansions that are still considered for standard play?

>>33353869
I miss Pokemon ex. It was so satisfying to build up that massive team-crushing monster

>>33352970
None. Get pikachu avatar packs and collect non ultra rare cards with them.

>>33353816
That were pokemon ex not Pokemon-EX

is the cheat engine thing on OP safe? if so, how much can I speed up the game?

>>33354108
Its safe. I think I went up to 3x before it just felt seizure inducing on anything with foil effects.

I'm a scrub. This is my first deck (don't actually have the cards, just theorycrafting it). How fucked is it.

Pokemon
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x4 Mareanie
x4 Toxapex GX
x4 Seviper
x4 Sandygast
x4 Palossand

Item
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x3 Poison Barb
x3 Switch
x3 Escape Rope
x3 Bodybuilding Dumbbells
x3 Nest Ball
x3 Max Potion

Supporter
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x4 Guzma
x4 Acerola

Energy
--------
x14 Psychic

>>33353942
If you mean specific cards from out-of-rotation expansions, then only cards that have since had a word for word reprint in a currently legal set can be used. e.g. Escape Rope just got a reprint, so older versions of this card are fine too. Just look through the legal sets and you'll find the new versions.


If you want the list of all cards then look here: https://pkmncards.com/sets/

Everything from BW to top of page is Expanded legal. Everything from BREAKThrough to top of page is Standard legal (as of September 1st). Additionally, and promos from the XY Promos set numbered 67 or above will also be standard legal. (The promos "expansion" is more like a trickle feed of singles released throughout the entire XY block but not in any set).

More: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/pokemon-tcg-format-rotation-for-the-2018-season/

>>33355384
Additionally, there's two cards in all of that that are actually on the banlist. Lysandre's Trump Card and (from Sep 1st) Forest of the Giant Plants.

>>33355296
Beginner tips would be you need better draw support rather than so much energy. Supporter line is way off unless there's some plan here. Also these pokemon each take way too many energy attachments and you've no way to speed it up.

Explain the theory because I don't see it.

>>33355463
The idea when I made it was to poison the shit out of anything that looks at me funny and just keep cycling my pokemon in and out of my hand/bench while whittling down the enemy.

I haven't played since Jungle, and back then I played a literally no-brainer Haymaker deck. I am not a clever manchild.

>>33355296
Presumably the Toxapex is your primary attacker, so you can probably drop one or two of the Palossand line. Ideally I'd suggest dropping them entirely for a cheaper, bulkier attacker you can use while charging up your Toxapex.
Fewer energies, fewer switching cards. You only need to draw into a single energy for your manual attachment of the turn, and you're incredibly likely to do that only playing nine or ten, and you're not going to need to switch that often.
Damage tools or float stones over health increase tools because you can benefit from them immediately instead of just hoping your opponent doesn't use a field blower to nullify it before you can benefit. More balls, ultra balls are good because they can grab anything.
Drop the Max Potions, both your attackers require too much energy to attack for the healing to be worth discarding all energies. Acerola is decent as a healing option, but you likely don't need four, and you're going to want to play more draw supporters, Ns, Sycamores, even Shaunas or Haus if you want to play slower and safer. Additionally, a lot of decks opt to play Oranguru or Remoraid and Octillery to draw more cards without necessarily burning your supporter. You don't want to rely on only drawing a single card each turn when you can at all help it.
Similarly you don't want to rely on only attaching a single energy if you can help it, put some Max Elixirs in there, especially since both your attackers require three energies each, keeping in mind that Max Elixir only works on Basics so you'd need to power them up before evolving.
Check out some of the top championship decks from this year and last year for a decent idea of what works well in today's meta. And speaking of the meta, you unfortunately have to be constantly aware of the potential threat of Garbodor from Guardians Rising, which punishes you for overusing items.

>>33355398
Also Archeops.

One more Lele in order to be able to play any of the new decks
Fucking things are so damn expensive, I wanted to build Gard--Gx deck because it looks fun as hell, really dont feel like hoarding that many packs any time soon or grinding out that many coins to buy packs and pray

>>33355296
Palossand is dead weight, as is poison barb. You'd want some ability that hinders retreat (don't think any exist in standard) or Lunala to move energies around so you don't lose them to Acerola/Max Potion.

But this deck won't ever be any good because of Garbodor.

>>33355463
Based around Super Intense Poison.

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>Gardevoir GX pops my Espeon GX no problem
>Bring up Mimikyu with one psychic energy on it
>Toss a DCE on and Copycat the same attack for the same damage and knock it out

I want to try more Mimikyu.

>>33355551
>You'd want some ability that hinders retreat (don't think any exist in standard)

What about Mount Lanakila?

>>33355515
>Also Archeops

Shockingly enough, this one's already banned from Expanded on the TCGO.

>>33355679
So's FoGP, which technically isn't going to be specifically banned from Standard since it's rotating anyway.

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>>33355612
I always wondered if it would make for a good 1-of, but it seems way too fragile. You might also want to take into consideration that it copies the exact wording of the attack, so you have to have the right amount of energies on it to copy the attack properly in the case of Garde's Infinity Force.

Is there a based chinaman who can sell me a playset of leles?

>>33356378
>$50 card
Not worth the fixed cost of counterfeiting, let alone the variable cost.

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Any advice?

Is it worth running Float Stone at this point? I feel like with Field Blower doing whatever the fuck it wants, FS is just a Garb liability that Volc's low HP can't afford late game.

Was also thinking about adding Ho-Oh GX, but it feels like it only really shines in Fire Toolbox, and I can't afford a 2nd or 3rd Lele to guarantee the first turn Kiawe. Plus, I've had a lot of pocket Flareon EX+Ninja Boy KOs that feel almost too memey to give up.

I run all 4 Volc EX variants for max autism.

>>33356711
Run one or two fewer baby Volcs, use less energy retrieval since most of it's going to be attached by way of baby Volc's attack anyway, Professor's Letter shouldn't really be a necessity in a deck running 12 basic energy, you don't need as many switching options now that Guzma is a thing, Brooklet Hill will probably serve you better than Altar of the Sunne to let you pull out Volc EX and save your Ultra Balls for the others, Pokemon Fan Club is a waste of a supporter, use more Ns and Sycamores, and if you aren't aiming to necessarily get the turn 1 Kiawe it might be worth just dropping for something else, but it's up to you if you think you've got enough use out of it in any of your matches to justify it versus the relative dead weight it can be.

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>>33356769
Well I took your advice and was doing well enough in my first match until my game crashed, so I'm gonna blame you for this.

>>33356711
You should decide whether you want to aim for Kiawe/Max Elixir, or Power Heater/Steam Up as your acceleration engine. No point in hedging your bets; if you use the former, the latter is too weak to bother with, and if you use the latter, the former is no good because you want energy to go via your hand.

>>33349725
this waifu isn't trash
plz help me waifu-mon

What is the most weird (but decent) deck you have encountered in ladder?

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>>33357666
Swampert ex.
I can't believe people still play it, and I can't believe how much of a steam roller it is, once you 2 swamperts on the field.

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Hi guys, I'm currently running this deck in standard ladder and I'm getting like a 50% winrate. Any tips to improve it?

I was thinking more energy?

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>>33357824
Ditch Torkoal for more baby Volcanions. Ditch Victini and try to get some Ho-oh GX or Turtonator GX. Lysandre is rotating out of standard in ~10 days, replace him with Guzma. Drop Hau, Giovanni's Scheme, and Team Skull Grunts for 3 more Sycamore. Could stand to replace the Nest Balls with Ultra Balls, but since you only run 1 Lele that's not so bad. Get at least one Brooklet Hill to help you fish out those Volcanion EXs and other potentially useful things you could include like Octillery BKT or Starmie EVO. Don't add more energy, 16 is plenty.
This is the list that I run, it does pretty well if I can accelerate energies early on.

>>33355485
Like the other anon said, this deck is always going to be at a disadvantage with various Garbodor decks making up 50% of the metagame for the forseeable future. Not quite as bad online but you will still lose often just for the psychic weakness here.

That said, it's still a fun idea. I'd drop the Palossand altogether. Trying to lock them into the active is not worth the effort for three energy, and so many ways of switching - Acerola / Guzma / rope / Rush In Zoroark. Why not split your Toxapex line 3 GX / 2 Baby? Try keep a baby on the bench and let them switch? If they don't retreat they get hit for the 10+ counters twice, if they do retreat the new one gets poisoned too?

Victini could help the deck if you find you are often attacking with Toxapex' 1-energy move. But bench space is already at a premium here. Four Seviper is overkill though. What do you want, two on the bench at most? Even with Mareanie's attack a full bench of them is an awkward number. And if you are swinging with the 10-counter one, 12 will cover you.

10 energy is plenty plus better draw support. Wish Baton can be your friend here if you time it right.

Supporter count is so strange. You NEED draw support. Most decks post rotation will run something like 3 N, 3 Sycamore, 1 Lillie/Wicke/Hala, 3 Guzma, 2 Acerola, 1 Bridgette. Plus deck specific like the occasional Kukui. Compare that to what you currently have. You will need a Lele too, to find those one-of supporters. This is the rare deck where her GX attack might be useful too. Altar of the Moone would give you cheaper (but not free) retreating.

Have you considered using Espeon GX here? You'd get a much better opening attacker. And the combo of confusion forcing retreats can give you better spread of damage for later. Divide-GX could become effective if half the bench has strange poison counters hanging around.

>>33355296
I JUST FACED YOU YESTERDAY

>>33358093
Er, wait, no. Add Salazzle and Garbodor in their somewhere and remove palosand.
That's what I faced.
5-6, my loss. I was playing Solgaleo/baby Ray, with a tech drampa.

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>make my first deck since fates collide
>pick salazzle gx since it doesn't seem popular
>my friends umbreon gx/ yveltal ex deck destroys me every time
What the FUCK should I do?
Any way I can improve this?

>>33358400

See Image
>>33349890

>>33358404
(you)

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>>33358406

>>33358416
are you going to help, or are you going to meme all night?

>>33358400
Turn it into Kiawe's Fun Fire Factory

>>33358429
___Git_Gud___

>>33358430
I don't think the trade off would be worth it, although I'll actually consider this
>>33358435
Got it

>>33358416
X D

>>33358400
I'll bite.

Max elixir is questionable.
2x nest ball is probably not necessary when you have brigette.
Nigga I'm not playing detective on your bottom row of cards.
Shauna is not worth two slots.
Sycamore says "draw seven cards." You tell me how many you should be running.
You do not need two super rod. Replace one with a rescue stretcher.

All this being said, garbodor/salazzle doesn't make very much sense but that's how you can start to improve it without scrapping the """idea."""

>>33358400
Personally I don't like Shauna, if you want change all for other Sycamore/N or some supports like Acerola to recycle damaged Salazzles or reusing the baby Salazzle.
I always use at least one switch in all my decks, after rotation you can't use Guzma like switch for everything.
One rod and one rescue stretcher maybe?
You NEED at least 2 choice bands in almost every deck.
I don't know if the bodybuildings dumbbells are good enought to have it in the deck.
I'll asume that you use 1-2 psychic energy, you can use the rainbow energy instead if you want more utility for Salazzle than just energy for the retreat cost.
I don't know if I can help more than that.

>>33358400
Lurantis promos instead of garb, choice band instead of dumbells.

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It's always fun when opponent doesn't tech Hex.

>>33357917
Very nice, thank you anon!

The reason I have torkoal/victini in there is for maximum memes. I usually end up paralyze locking the opponents pokemon and hitting for an average of like 140 damage.

The full art Giovanni, Team Skull and Hau are definitely my bling hubris going off the charts.

>>33359375
when did you play this person? i use mawiles and gards in my main deck. cept i havent played today but looks like a game i played yesterday or the day before. i also do not run hex maniac

>>33359375
actually now that i look at the picture im certain thats me because i use gengar sleeves and the same coin. nice to have played with ya anon!
>On_nyx

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>>33359375

>>33359495
More than a week ago.

>>33359502
Oh, the world is close if so. Nice to have played with you too!Shove he hex in the deck next time. Also, did you have more than one GardGX or it was the only one?

>>33359502
>>33359526
Nevermind about Gardes, now I see your decklist.

>>33359526
>>33359526
>>33359530
ahh makes perfect sense, i think i may have dragged this match out with 3 N's? usually how it goes with Ninetails. sorry about that . if i had known i was playing with an anon i would have been more courteous. ill throw one or two in, thats a good idea.

For the expert traders here:
I've been hoarding Leles for a little while, when do you think will be the good time to trade them?

>>33359509
>>33359551
It seems like you need Lysandre or Guzma too. For example, instead of seekers since they're dead in standard on September.

>>33359582
ok i think i might go with guzma, i appreciate the advice i stopped playing ptcgo for almost a year

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>The attacks of each Darkness and Dragon Pokemon in play (both yours and your opponent’s) do 10 more damage to the Defending Pokemon.

My Darkrai cries that Giratina just rotated

>>33350448
>while everything else you can pick up with pikachu avatar pack
??

Who the hell though that Darkrai-GX was OK for play in expanded? It's so broken with Laser and Dark Patch.

>180 damage with a Muscle Band/Laserbank that can revive it self with acceleration
>Can just OHKO you out of nowhere too.

I think my Yveltal Deck may become a Darkrai-GX deck

>>33360171
Glad to see dragons still getting some love after waving goodbye to DDE at least. Now Noivern can two-hit Drampas and Leles while item locking.

>>33357691

That's because people are using it with bots to farm Versus mode.

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Explain to a retarded and ignorant Yugioh player where the strategy is in this game. Because from what I can tell, it's purely a race to who can get out a big Pokemon with enough energy first and sweep with it.

>>33361045
It's hard to sweep a game with only a big Pokemon imo.
At least for what i do, the strategy is having more charged Pokemon than your opp to ensure the winning in the price taking

>>33355542
GardGX is the most expensive standard deck but should give you plenty of wins.
>>33359574
get rid of them at 30+ packs. dont hold onto too many.
>>33360223
Just as was said. Pikachu Avatar Themed packs can pick up most non ultra cards. They are in the shop for 55 tokens and are tradeable. Make your own trades.Cant make it any simpler than that anon.

>>33362419
How many avatar packs for a pack of Guardians Rising do you think? Earlier I managed to trade 2 avatar boxes for an uncommon chest, and then I tried to trade 2 chests for a pack, but was unsuccessful. Was hoping to get packs this way to eventually get a set of fucking Leles.

>>33362649
Guardians are being hoarded so good luck getting them at all with pika packs. Burning Shadows are still good for now. 4 chest can get 1 BUS/GRI on occasion.

For pika flipping you can pick up 2 trashalanche Garbodor for 1 pika. Then sell the 4 Trashalanche for 1 BUS, maybe 2. An old flip I remember is talonflame galewings, buy for 1 pika each. then sell 2 talonflame for 1 BUS.

Is there any reason to level up past 16 other than cosmetics?

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>Locked

Well, looks like I'm building a waifu deck despite the chill going up my spine.

>>33349021
>Sarcasm, I hope
Otherwise, I must ask, who is going to save the meta from Gardevoir?

>>33355942
Mimikyu does the eggsact same damage tho, idiot

The Sylveon GX deck without vs seekers, silent lab and hex maniac will die after rotation?

>>33361045
You need to somewhat manage the opponent's field and yours to your advantage, you'll understand if you actually see some matches.
But well, it's less interactive than yugioh, which is not very interactive in the first place.

>>33349087
Not likely.

Swampert EX hits for 200 once it's set up and it was made in a time 180HP was the highest most Pokémon had.

Guzzlord GX hits for 180 in a meta where Pokémon reach 250HP. Also, if you go first you will need at least 3 turns to set up, which is just as slow as Swampert. And, since you need an attack to set up, it can take even longer if you get Asleep/Paralyzed.

I think this card could work with Regirock EX, you slowly set up and then Ninja Boy to get 4 prizes when your opponent is not expecting it. But then, you'd need another main attacker anyway.

>>33349309
Your opponent's hand is not public information. They can shuffle their hand before any action you take.

>>33363850
Guzzlord can attach energies with the first attack

>>33363891
Not on the first turn.

Best case scenario:

>go second
>First turn: Attach, Attack, get all energies you need
>Second Turn: Attack

But 50% of the time you will go first:

>Attach and that's it
>Second turn: attack and you are set up
>Third turn: Now you are ready (as Swampert would be) and can attack. Except your opponent's Gardevoir GX already knocked you out.

>>33363936
Realistically though, how many decks would choose to go second? If you win the flip just let your opponent go first, and if they win there's a pretty high chance they want to go first anyway.

>>33363771

It doesn't, you perform the exact same actions that your opponent did.

>If your opponent's Pokémon used an attack that isn't a GX attack during their last turn, use it as this attack.

>>33364001

Whoops, that was for >>33363663.

>>33363953
Well, that's true. Either way, if you start attacking on your second turn, your opponent just needs to feed you one prizers until he sets up something to knock you out. You have no Guzmas nor anything to heal.By the way, this deck pretty much plays itself, you can have single player matches against it to test it out.

>inb4 the GX attack gives you 2 extra prizes
Either way, you need to score 4 knock outs against non-GXs. That gives your opponent at least 5 turns to knock you out.

>>33357917
no free retreat staryu from bpkt

>>33364102
That's the only Staryu I own.

>>33363004
Nope but it took me a month to get my final dragon and grass challenge to reach lvl 30. 1 month of waiting for the rng to give me 2 specific element challenges.

>>33364127
55 tokens can get 4 free retreat staryu. Literally no reason to run suboptimal cards unless you want to bait

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>>33364240
No bait, just laziness. I'll look into getting a few eventually

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This is my 4th attempt at making a proper deck. I'm pretty sure it's shit but is there any way to make it less shit?

>>33364366
-1 Wicke
-1 Center Lady
+Lurantis GX
+1Revitelizer
-3 Grass Energy
+2 Double colorless energy
+1 Forest
-2 Prof Letter
-1 Max Elixer
+1 Syc
+1 N
+1 Ultra ball
There you go

>>33364366
That's a lot of grass energy. Why not drop a couple of those for more revitalizers? Means you can use them as Ultraball material without too much worry.

>>33364396
If you cant add one Lurantis GX, add a Promo Koko, remove a grass energy and add a DC Energy

>>33348983
i'm trying to get into the game after lurking for a long time, what major staples/good cards are leaving the format thanks to rotation?

>>33364431
Anything released before Breakpoint is rotating out of standard. If you click the ou7c4st link in the OP, it has a list of all the sets in the game and what symbols those sets have, use that to help figure out if something is legal or not.
Off the top of my head though: Lysandre, VS Seeker, Wally, Shaymin EX, a few deck-specifics like M Rayquaza, FoGP, and Dive Ball... There was a list someone made in a previous thread, didn't save it but someone else here might have it handy.

>>33358416

>5 retreat

Love those subtle touches

Is there any way to use Tapu Fini? Got 4 in 3 boxes i bought.

>>33364496
Wally was on generations.
Silent lab will be rotating too.

>>33364496
>Anything released before Breakpoint is rotating out of standard.

Standard's new rotation was confirmed to be BREAKthough-on back in July, idiot.

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>>33364941
Cool your autism, faggot. I always mix those two sets up.

>not played in a while
>boot up Metagross
>1 Beldum 6 energy start
>shut client down

Oh yeah that's why I took a break.

>>33364396
Wouldn't that just make him have more lurantis than he does have fomantis cards?

I'm barely getting into this. How does it work? Can I only get cards by the code or can I buy it within the game?

Are there any metal decks besides Metagross and Scizor? I'm trying to do the challenge for metal but don't really wanna use these 2.

>>33365692
For expanded bronzong with solgaleo?

>>33365692
Fight Alone Lucario

>>33365894
I totally forgot about his existence. I actually have a deck with him, just need to update it to the new standard. It's gonna be a tough choice between EXP share and choice band....

Is Round Meloetta/Seismitoad still good? I haven't played since that deck was quite popular with memers.

>>33365997
Not even in legacy. They made nightmarch which was an improved version later.

>>33365989
>experience share
Wish Baton is a thing now too.

>>33365621
You can buy within the game, but anything bought with ingame currency (the tokens) is locked for trade. You can also earn them in tournaments and by completing challenges.

But there is a more in depth guide, read the OP.

If you are concerned about wether it is possible to get the cards you want without buying real cards, don't worry, it's totally doable.

>>33365692
I used to play Archie's M-Steelix for that in expanded, it's kinda clunky, but it's really fun.

>>33366008
Not even that, compare stage 2 140HP Seismitoad that does 30 damage per round user to Mega Rayquaza EX at 220 that does 30 damage per any benched pokemon

>>33365997
I remember that deck, one of the original budget meme decks. No its not good, its terrible even by budget standards. The reason it was popular online was because rallying cry is completely free if you type in "rallyingcry" as a code and meloetta ex is 1 pikachu avatar pack each.The new Round deck is Passimian Teamplay on the bench with Mew as the attacker.

Any constructive criticism for this? I just threw it together as a proof of concept

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>>33366088
I fucked up the picture the first time

>>33366095
See >>33357917
Kiawe is your bro when it comes Ho-oh and Volc.

>>33366106
I actually meant to add him but forgot. I took out 2 Max Elixir for 2 Kiawe

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>>33366008
>>33366039
>>33366060
Damn, the game really grew a lot. Well, I think that I'll wait for the next good Meloetta deck.

>>33366095
As mentioned add in Kiawe its incredible first turn. One thing to understand is the Gard GX match Up. Ho-oh GX 4 energy is 120 + 1 fairy = 150 damage. All they need DCE, or 1Fairy + Choice Band. How often does that come up? Almost guaranteed in every game I played using Ho-Oh. So either play Fury Belt OR switch Ho-Oh for Turtonator. If you do Kiawe going first, the Gard player will pass to evolve. Then when its your turn you attack and discard 2 energy. They will need multiple Gard GX to get the 1 shot. Then on your following turn attach a fire energy and with some steam ups KO the Gard GX that came up. With turtonator build you just run choice band since you can play around Gard GX easier. Although Ho-Oh is good because of its lightning weakness, the 4 energy attack cost is a near autoloss vs Gard GX. Baby Volcanion is nice for softening up gard GX and they struggle to 1 shot the baby volc early game. Max Elixir lets you do some crazy plays like back to back volcanion exs with no energy on field, i recommend 4. I would drop nest ball, max out ultra for the lele > Kiawe play. Add in 2 Field Blower so garbotoxin doesnt kill you. Starmie Space beacon lets you get those big steam up 1HKOs. Salazzle GX is another interesting card, late game it can hit for 200 damage for 2 energy. It can help sweep up that final gard GX. 2 energy attack for 110 and 200 hp helps in the early game too. Not much else to say, the mirror match is rough with Volcanion Ex being water. Waterbox is a near autoloss honestly. Good luck with the deck i gave up on it for now because Gard gx and ninetails gx are everywhere because of worlds.

>beat someone while playing a worse version of the same deck they are
How great is this feeling

>>33366095
I'd trade that Energy Retrieval for a Fisherman. Even if you can't VS Seeker it as before, you can still find it with Lele.

I'd also swap one Nest Ball for an Ultra Ball. You can use it to discard energy for baby Volcanion and it makes Lele more accessible.

I don't know about Altar of the Sunne, you have varied weaknesses (and your opponent can always play another stadium). You could put Kiawe in that slot.

And now that I think about that, Max Elixir is not that useful in this deck. You will either use baby Volcanion to slowly attach them or Kiawe to get Ho-oh to 4 at once.

Since you need to find room for field blower (if your opponent gets a Garbodor in play, half of your team becomes useless), you could remove the 4 Max Elixir for 2 Field blower, another Kiawe and another Fire Energy

14 energy may seem like a lot, but Volcanion also burns a lot of them and when you lose a Ho-oh without a Wishing Baton, you lose 4 at once. Since there are only 3 cards that can recover them, I think that could become a problem very often.

>>33366133
Does it have to be Meloetta? I mean, we've been waiting for 20 years for another good Hitmonchan deck. It might never happen again.

>>33366244
Either she or Glaceon. I don't care for most Pokémon nowadays, I just collect FA female trainers cards.

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>>33358416

>>33366265
>she
In all seriousness Glaceon is decent. Can wall evolution pokemon with its Crystal Ray attack. Pair with Alolan Ninetails or Lapras since Glaceon is more of a counter to evolution deck than a primary attacker.
I collect FA waifus too. still waiting for that Olivia FA, though its probably too sexy for western censorship to let through

>>33366265
You can always make a more casual deck and play "hard mode" with it.

You either love Gardevoir, Darkrai or Garbodor (also Mewtwo, maybe?) or you just accept you can't be competitive with your favorite pokemon forever.

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>waifu deck wins worlds
>Based onion head, meta is saved
Seriously?

>>33366406
I think most people are just happy that Garbodor didn't win worlds.
I was kinda hoping Garde would get dumpstered so that people would cry out for a Garb ban. 6 out of the top 8 decks? Really? That's as bad as MTG.

>>33366461
Still not as bad as Yugioh

Deckbuilding will be so much cheaper after Lele is banned for being in all top 8 decks.

>>33366601
I think Lele being useful on every deck was a deliberate decision. It will stay, but it will get a promo print just like Shaymin EX did, when it doesn't matter anymore

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Registeel – Metal – HP130
Basic Pokemon

[M] Turbo Arm: 30 damage. Attach a basic Energy from your discard pile to 1 of your Benched Pokemon.

[M][M][C] Black Steel Fist: 90 damage. If Regice is on your Bench, heal 30 damage from this Pokemon.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 3

>>33366691
Oblivion wing clone.

>>33366691
They love those kinds of attacks, don't they?

It doesn't synergise well with Metagross. I guess it could be an option for Solgaleo.

>>33365989
Whats your decklist? I was thinking of using 4 rainbow energy to add in another attacker, fire attacker for golisopod/metagross decks. Pokepuff is nice to gain more power.

>>33366691
It's meh, but the card art is fantastic

>>33366691
I wish america had the silver borders because the yellow will ruin this aesthetic

>>33366875
Have to save money by not purchasing different material

>Everybody is running the Alolan Ninetales theme deck in Theme.

For what purpose? It's a terrible them deck.

>>33366916
Cult of the new.

>>33366875
I wish they were shiny gold instead of that old yellow at least, it really doesn't suit the new design

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Thinking of playing A-Ninetales lock post rotation. Thoughts?

>>33366875
same, yellow borders have ruined every card from gen 3 and on.

>>33366702
Solgaleo wouldn't use this over baby Ray.

>>33367170
basically every relevant deck already runs a non-gx attacker

>>33366916
>using a deck that has a signature attacker that has an ability that is literally useless in theme

>>33366916
wah stop playing it

One of the best feelings is when your opponent doesn't/can't read. Noibat saved me the game against a turn 2 Solgaleo GX all set up when they swung into me after I got protection with Agility.

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Hi, Im fairly new to the game, I read the OP, bought Lunala's theme, looked for a standard version and ended with this but as you can see, I dont have all of the cards, so I was looking for some ideas to replace what Im missing

Also, where can I get more VS Seeker? I've seen that's a staple for almost every deck

>>33364012
Its fine i have the shitty mimikyu from the pin pack cuz i wanted the pin

>>33370516
Baby Lunala is not a great card in standard.
If you want to build a cheap deck I would advice for Passimian/Mew or any Garbodor variant.
You can easily find the lists online.
Also remember that there is a rotation coming at the beginning of september and Roaring Skies, Ancient Origins and Primal Clash are going to rotate out, so important cards like vs seeker are going to become illegal to play.

>>33370516
>>33370594
Also worth noting, you can buy the Pikachu packs in the store for 55 coins, unlike most thing from the store they're tradable and you can use them to get the cheaper cards from each set instead of trading full packs. Lunala isn't GREAT in Standard, but if it gets set up ok it could hold its own. Bewear isn't great, you could just go for a second or third Oranguru and be able to hit higher numbers on average if you use it as an attacker. Lunala GX is cheap, if you can get at least one it'll help you. Mimikyu is another nice tech for psychic decks, won't see use every game but can come in handy in certain matchups. Acro Bike and Vs Seeker are both rotating in about a week with no real replacements, but with Garbodor running around and psychic weakness you want to be playing as few items as possible anyway. That said, any Stage 2 deck really wants some Rare Candy to get up faster, you can just opt not to use them if you're matched against Garb. A Field Blower or two should be another worthwhile addition, as should Altar of the Moone allowing you to drop the Switch cards.

>>33364753
Bumping this

are servers offline right now?

>>33371067
Aqua Patch, Max Elixir, Dragonair, Manaphy EX, Palkia EX, Golduck Break. Mix and match, experiment, maybe something will work out okay.

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Favorite art of Burning Shadows?

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>>33371067
I run it as a 1-of because it's a decent bench sniper in my Ninetales GX deck. Won me a couple games and is easier to field than BUS Kingdra.
>>33370516
No offense but I would not advise building a Lunala Deck. This is the closest thing I've managed to make that is at least semi-competitive, but baby Lunala is easily 1-shottable by most meta decks, Lunala-GX doesn't hit hard enough to justify it's costs, Garb is a hard matchup but you hit for weakness and they do not, and Metagross or anything Dark basically tells you to get fucked. It relies way too heavily on having a Lunala GX on bench early because ideally you want to set up a rotation where you're using Wings of the Moone with a choice band to slam 160 damage onto your opponent's pokemon every turn before shifting those energies to the relative safety of your bench (don't stack them all on one pokemon either, Guzma/Lysandre has ruined me so many times for that) and then recharging your Lunala the next turn for another round. Shatter Shot is really only for those desperate 1-hit KOs where you really need to remove something from the field or are not worried about them one-shotting you back the next turn. Both Lunala and Lele's GX attacks are pretty sub par, though Lunala GX has closed out matches for me by targeting support pokemon and baby attackers on the bench. Max Elixirs definitely help, but without better Psychic Energy acceleration it's way too clunky to perform properly.

Is pokemon tcg down? Been stuck at the installer for an hour now.

>>33371484
I can play normally

>>33371072
>>33371484
shouldnt be its working for me, and i just hopped on a few minutes ago to.

>>33371484
Are you installing the game for the first time? Or patching? Someone else was having that issue a little while ago but I don't remember what they did to fix it. Maybe just try and restart the download?

>>33371484
That means you need to reinstall. Something happened, not your fault just shitty programming on their side. A uninstall ptcgo and reinstall

>>33370594
>Also remember that there is a rotation coming at the beginning of september and Roaring Skies, Ancient Origins and Primal Clash are going to rotate out, so important cards like vs seeker are going to become illegal to play.
Oh right, I forgot about the rotation, thanks

>>33371022
>Also worth noting, you can buy the Pikachu packs in the store for 55 coins
So this is the best thing I can buy? I was thinking on buy another deck bc of the free packs and common stuff I can get from em, or maybe a couple of packs trying to get Lele

>>33371290
>No offense
Dont worry lol
>I would not advise building a Lunala Deck.
The thing is, I wanted to make an standard deck starting from a theme one, Im fairly bad at making decks so I thought that upgrading one would be easier, I only wanted it to leave the slow af theme decks lol

Thank you guys, I guess I'll start bulding a Garbordor deck lol, aside from him, where should I start?

>>33371609
>I was thinking on buy another deck
If there's specific cards you want from a deck, that's probably your best bet. Otherwise yeah, buying Pikachu packs is your safest bet for getting cheap individual cards. Put up a couple for trade for a playset of Choice Bands, for example. Don't go buying packs hoping to pull a Lele though, you'll just go disappointed, pull rates are truly abysmal.

>>33371555
>>33371559
that worked thanks

>>33371609
Pikachu packs can get you MOST non ultra rare cards. Theme decks arent worth it. Opening random boosters rarely works out. for every winner there are plenty who open thousands and get pure crap.

Making a theme deck from standard is the worst thing to do. Just make a budget passimian/mew deck. No lele no shaymin. 1 pikachu pack = 2 passimian. mew is 1 pika pack each. vs seeker is 1 pika. etc etc. YOU MUST MAKE YOUR OWN OFFERS! Public doesn not have good offers. You must make your own trades. it takes time but it works. Free to play is easy with some patience in this game. other budget deck is greninja break. once you make the budget deck grind tournaments until you got enough for lele.

pikachu packs? those little boxes with clothes? how in the world are those worth anything? how do they get your cards in trades? theyre tradable?

>>33371671
They are tradeable. Dont ask why they are worth something, only leads to a value paradox. It just works. you can pick up garbodor trashalanche for 1 pika each. then resell the 4 garb for 1 Burning shadows, maybe 2.

just tag the pika pack for trade, then ask for something you want for a deck. like vs seeker. 1 pika for 1 vs seeker 1:1. Very simple right? You can get more value from a pika pack but thats intermediate stuff.

>>33371671
>go to store
>spend 55 coins on a pikachu pack that you will never open anyways
>go to trade, list pikachu packs for cheap rares and low-end GXs
>wait for someone to bite because they want to bling their avatar out or something idk
>trade off new card for profit/better value cards
It's a pretty simple process, don't ask me why or how it works though.

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>>33371609
>I wanted to make a standard deck starting from a theme one
I had the exact same thought process when I started a few months ago, it was what inspired me to try and put the deck together in the first place. Lunala is one of my favorite pokemon from this gen but it's cards fall just short of being good because they lack the proper support. If you want to try and make a deck from a starter though, Volcanion's deck is not too expensive (aside from Lele) and the Steam Siege starter comes with 2 regular Volcanion, which it uses.You could buy the Noivern deck which comes with a Zoroark, he's got a decent deck and is getting a GX version eventually, but 1 copy hardly justifies spending 500 coins when you could potentially spend half that on pikachu packs and trade those for your one copy. Apparently the Solgaleo deck upgrades into something decent as well using Solgaleo GX, who is very cheap, but I don't have a list for that one handy. Try looking it up if you're interested.

>>33371708
>>33371726
thats. incredible. a paradox indeed, currency is a mystery. ive been buying packs but if i can slowly build up loose packs then that doesnt sound to bad.

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>>33371254
I love Kawayoo's style

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I've been playing this to mixed success, any tips? I've found unless I have a good starting hand/start I lose. May be part and parcel using gross but I dunno. First real semi competitive deck I've built

Brand new downloading the client now can I use Hitmonchan Heracross Agrron or Poliwrath and not suck they are my dudes forever

>>33371904
Swap psychic energy for metal, Dhelmise shouldn't be attacking and Tapu Cure is too situational. Drop Acerola and Hex Maniac unless it's for a certain matchup. Drop Altar of the Sunne, even with it you'll lose to fire decks. Max Sycamore and Ultra Ball, maybe add Beacon Vulpix if you can find room.

>>33370516
Baby Lunala is not a good card in standard. The same's true of basically every theme deck.

The theme decks that gives you the most bang for your buck in terms of giving you good standard legal cards that can work independently is Night Striker, Zoroark is a solid attacker and has a pretty good BREAK.

Wave Slasher gives you greninjas which are nice, but you need the BREAK to make a good deck with them and it's an expensive card.

Honestly you shouldn't be looking to build from theme anymore, someone needs to update the OP on that. The #1 budget deck right now is Garb/Drampa. It's extremely cheap, Drampa is like 2-3 packs at most and Garb is less than 1, obviously Leles make it run better but it runs fairly well without them, just run thick lines of draw support. You can use Big Wheel GX and Hala in addition to N and Sycamore to pull through your deck faster.

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>>33371904
Metagross is a janky deck, all stage 2 decks have that problem. You do not want to include any cards that could possibly make your game less consistent. Dhelmise clogs your bench, Cobalion is totally unnecessary. Olivia is not a good supporter, neither is misty, and running less than 4 Sycamore is always a mistake.

just copy my list desu, it's already prepped for rotation. Vulpix is such a huge card for this deck, you'll see a very big consistency boost from running 2 copies.

>>33372216
I think including 1-2 psychic energy is okay, I've won 3 games I can think of off the top of my head due to having tapu cure (i would estimate i have 200-300 games with metagross, so it is rare as fuck), while I haven't had a single game where I was in a situation where I had both psychic energy out before I already had 2 metal in circulation.

In fact if that ever happened I guarantee I would rage and immediately remove them from my deck.

>>33372263
I was thinking of doing a mini-guide for trading. Right now im holding off because of rotation and how prominent tapu lele gx. Some budget decks i know of that dont run lele are greninja break and passimian/mew for standard. Greninja Break is 4 each. Nothing in passimian/mew is worth more than 1 pika pack. night march is dirt cheap too. all night marchers/compressor/vs seeker/puzzle can be obtained with pika packs. dowsing machine is the budget alternative to computer search. octillery can be a place holder which is 1 pack, jirachi can replace lele being 4 packs. expanded is a more challenging format but im sure there are plenty of solid budget options. Basically what Im looking for are strong decks that are good without lele/computer search etc. So no first turn brigette decks, lele > kiawe etc.Most newer players would dislike how massive expanded is, let alone legacy format. If the more experienced players can shoot some good budget deck options for any format that would help. Decklists too, estimated prices whatever since the beginner guides here arent too informative. Like newbies should start with 1 theme deck to grind for a bit and get a feel for the game, sure thats fine. then they should use their tokens either for flipping or buying pikachu-themed avatar collection box to pick up most non ultra rares.

>>33372392
its kind of always how it's been, themedecks are a pretty poor use of coins in general

in terms of strong no-lele decks greninja and passmemeian are the two that stand out. Maybe Typhlosion/Talonflame but I like that deck less and less without seekers.

>>33372392
For example:
##Pokémon - 9

* 1 Oranguru SUM 113 (1 pika)
* 4 Passimian SUM 73 (1 pika for 2)
* 4 Mew FAC 29 (1 pika each)
>7 Pikachu packs
##Trainer Cards - 47

* 4 Energy Loto GRI 122 ( 1 pika for 4)
* 3 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130 (1 pika for 3)
* 3 Guzma BUS 115 (1 pika for 3)
* 4 N FAC 105 (1 pika for 2)
* 4 Nest Ball SUM 123 (1 pika for 4)
* 4 Puzzle of Time BKP 109 (1 pika for 2)
* 2 Float Stone BKT 137 (1 pika for 2)
* 1 Special Charge STS 105 ( ~1 pika)
* 2 Field Blower GRI 125 ( ~1 pika)
* 4 Ultra Ball SUM 135 (1 pika)
* 4 Bursting Balloon BKP 97 (1 pika for 2)
* 1 Town Map BKT 150 ( ~1 pika)
* 4 Pokémon Catcher SUM 126 (1 pika for 4)
* 4 Professor Sycamore BKP 107 ( 1 pike for 4)
* 1 Professor Kukui SUM 128 ( ~1pika)
* 2 Po Town BUS 121 ( ~1pika)
>about 10 Pikachu Packs. You can get this for less honestly.
##Energy - 4

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92 (free with rallying cry code/other theme decks)

Total Cards - 60
>17*55 Pika Packs = 935 tokens. Less than 2 theme decks. Also, you can flip mews for packs/chest

First off I want to say this list is far from optimal, but this should be a decent example for beginners and is budget friendly.

>What are Pika Packs?
The "Pikachu-Themed Avatar Collection Box" also known as a "Pika Pack" contain clothes for the character's avatar. You can use these boxes to trade for most low value cards. You can find them in the Shop > Gameplay Tab. They cost 55 tokens each and are tradeable.
>How do I use Pika Packs to trade?
Once you buy the Pika Pack, go into your collection > Packs > Click the Pika Pack so the arrows are highlighted. This means the card is tagged for trading. Next go into the Trade Tab. Create Trade > Public Trade. Always create your own offer, the good offers from other people get taken almost immediately, leaving all the bad offers to fill the trade section.
>Why do people accept Pika Packs for trades?
Nobody knows, it just works.

>>33372456
its rotating soon, but ill do it next

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>>33372743
Well, forgot to attach picture.

>>33372743
>>33372752
Oh my, this would be so perfect for new players like me, Im >>33370516 btw

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>watching the senior devision finals with A-Ninetails vs Greninja
>A-Ninetails can dump a DCE for blizzard edge and have it count for the requirements
What the fuck? I could have sworn that meant he had to discard 2 energy cards. Is this a wording thing where if it doesn't specifically say -energy cards-, it can be a DCE?

>>33373103
It doesn't mention cards at all. It just says to discard "2 energy", which means the two energy provided by a DCE is viable.

>>33348983

>dump a dub on 4 Lurantis Blisters because why not
>2 hits with Turtonator GX Hyper Rare and a Metagross GX

well that went better than expected. No Lele but whatever.

>>33373507
>it ate my post but not my image
Any decks you will be glad to see gone? Any cards you're happy are rotating? Anything you're sad is rotating?
As a Volc player less water is always good.

>>33373516
As much as I enjoy VS Seeker, it needs to go and stay go. Gonna miss DDE and Giratina though

>make a volc/ho-oh/zoroark deck yesterday
>get on ptcgo
>only battle 2(TWO) NON WATER DECKS ALL DAY
Fuck this rigged shit and fuck Alolan Ninetales
>>33373516
I desperately miss Lysandre, Forest of Giant Plants and VS Seeker

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I am trying to make a decent deck for standard/extended. So far, I was thinking of a Vespiquen deck, or something grass themed, but I am not sure if this is golden or needs more work.
Still gotta gather up the cards for everything, but this is what I have in mind.
A part of me isn't satisfied with it though, I always enjoy diversity and at least something more my type.
I thought that I could want something more Psychic, but I really don't wanna do a Garb deck.

>>33373705
>extended deck
>no lysandre
>no vs seeker
Why
>inb4 "it's also standard"
Shaymin is getting rotated

>>33373705
For Vespiqueen you need like 22+ Pokemon to do something and now it's a expanded deck, also is a fast deck so you don't want alost anything to retrieve things or be a control deck.
4 Vespiquen, 4 Combee.
Use 4 Unown AOR, you can discard them and draw 1 card.
Use 1 Exeggcute PLF, you can put it in your hand if it is on the discard pile.
Use only Golisopod GX.
Change Hau for another thing.
Just 1 Kukui if you want it.
Just 1 Hex maniac.
The Giratina promo maybe for Greninja/Trevenant?
Put 4 Battle compressor.
Don't use hammers, retrievals and letter.
Put 4 vs seeker.
Max DCE.
Put 1-2 float stone and 1 switch if you want.
Computer search (20 packs) or Dowsing machine (4 packs).
Less Grass, like 5-6.
And Golisopod evolves from Wimpod btw.

>>33373778
Crap... I was thinking that Lysander and VS seeker were getting taken out as well in September, so I figured that I would get a jump on the game by making a deck that found something else to work on.
That sucks though, Shaymin is leaving the standard scene.
For extended, I would be able to use Lysander and VS?

>>33373863
Fuck, I messed up on that.
It looks better with those in there, I can probably do something more with it.
I'll start experimenting on that.

>>33373980
Expanded so far is all cards printed since BW, so everything leaving standard is legal.

Vespiquen/Flareon is kind of a shit deck because everyone techs karen or oricorio for it right now

>>33373698

>Lysandre
ya boi is a fine balance. helps decks that run float stone or free switchers. doesn't make tanky high retreat decks broken UNLESS they run those cards.
>Forest of Giant Plants
yeah fuck that card, fuck Broken Time Space format, and fuck owlfags
>and VS Seeker
Seeker was always a crutch. run puzzle of time.

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Go and stay go.

>>33374646
What would you recommend for a good expanded deck that focuses on Grass for a theme?
I am willing to play around with Psychic too, but I want to find some sort of fun way of playing with it so I won't get overly bored with playing with it.
Gimmicky if you catch my meaning, maybe a status inducing theme, trickster or whatever.
Water, Grass, Psychic, Dark... I just want a good fun deck to mess around with.

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>>33373507
We posting these?

>>33372294
Not too fussed about a clogged bench, I don't think there aren't too many threats with that and the extra damage dhelmise provides is useful. Cobalion has come in super clutch for me too if I've had a bit of a slow start.

The rest I see what you mean and will implement. What exactly is Tapu Koko doing in the lineup though? Doesn't seem all that helpful to the deck?

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Ability: Surf Tail
If there’s a Stadium in play, this Pokemon has no Retreat Cost.
[C][C][C] Psychic: 70+ damage. This attack does 20 more damage for each Energy attached to your opponent’s Active Pokemon.

A-Raichu followed the same pattern of its promo, the only alolan pokemon to not use 0 energy attacks.

How viable would be an Oranguru deck?

>>33375846
So much hype for it and it's shit lol

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How expensive is standard without this thing now?

>>33376198
Lele is taking its place in every deck ever and costing lots of money. So its about the same.

>>33376170
You mean like... quad Oranguru and nothing else? Not at all. Oranguru plays a supporting role in many decks though.

What is the best way to complete daily challenges?

Moon deck vs Inceneroar deck I just started

Escavalier deck (the one with durant and eels) is on the shop.

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Which Pokemon deck could beat full power Zoodiac feat Fusion Substitute + Norden?

What the fuck? I thought Forest was banned?

how many Choice Band can I ask for 1 Pika pack?

>>33376641
For evolution challenges just make a shitty deck with wally/AZ, super scoop ups, devolution, no energy. Delta evolution helps, like togekiss, banette, salamence. Eeveelutions for the attach energy > evolve.

For 16 KO challenges, all you can do is hope your opponent wont concede immediately. Thats all there is to it.

For damage challenges:
>Fire: VolcanionEX
>Water:Greninja/WaterBox/Volcanion
>Grass:Tapu-Bulu, DecidueyeGX
>Electric: RaikouEels/Magnezone,TapuKoko Promo
>Fighting:LycanrocGX, ZygardeEx,Landorusex,Donphan Prime
>Fairy:Gardevoir GX, Rainbow Force Xerneas
>Dark:Darkrai GX, ZoroarkBreak,Weavile, Umbreon
>Psychic:Espeon/Garb, Trevenant, Oricorio vs nightmarch
>Dragon:Giratina,NoivernGX,Garchomp
>Metal:MetagrossGX,SolgaleoGX,Lucario

Personally I hate doing dragon and metal challenges. But I always take evolution challenges because they are so easy to accomplish(since you dont need to win or even need to attack). I skip KO challenges unless the type is easy to accomplish, like Psychic,Fairy,Fire are easy just depends on your deck. Damage challenges are rough, your opponent can always concede, you might never get set up etc. Dont worry about the challenges too much, just do whatever is easiest.

>>33377910
1 pika for 4 should be easy. if not do something like 1 pika for 2 choice band, 2 guzma, 2 *insert trainer you need*. If you ask for smaller counts the success rate goes up.

>>33377857
Banned in expanded, rotating in standard September 1st.

>>33377857
Not in standart

So I'm pretty new to this and I mainly play the physical game. I'm thinking of buying a Japanese booster pack box (I live in there currently) and I'm wondering which one to buy. Any recommendations?
I was thinking either Alolan moonlight for the chances of getting a Lele, or the latest set with gardevoir and Marshadow since I hav the cards to easily make a deck out of them.

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>>33378171
>Japanese booster pack box (I live in there currently)
Moonlight sounds good desu but buying singles is 90% of the time the best way to go.
Just a reminder you can't play with jap cards in english stores.

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Ow the edge.

Also first Tokiya full art!! (I think).

>>33378440
Well what does it say?

>>33378440
This is a new level of edge for Pokémon. And I love it.

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>>33378440
Better quality.

>>33378476
Gladion – Trainer
Supporter

Look at your face-down Prizes cards. Switch this Gladion with 1 of them, flip your Prize cards back over, and shuffle them around.

You may play only 1 Supporter card during your turn (before your attack).


Not bad.

>>33378499
Really exploitable in Expanded. I rabbu it.

>>33377970
>BUT KO CHALLENGES ARE WHAT NET YOU FREE TRADABLE PACKS
unless you're a total newfag who hasn't gotten to lvl 16 yet

>>33371726
Is there any pattern in who buys them? I'm legit curious as to who trades for something that costs a mere 55 tokens.

also, how fast do trades usually happen?

>>33372743
why town map and not rotomdex?

>>33375313
Try Accelgor/Wobb, it's a hilarious grass/psychic list built around paralyze locking, I think it's much weaker with Guzma being more common now though. Shedinja/Mew is another fun grass/psychic deck.

>>33375401
Dhelmise doesn't really let you hit any useful numbers. Choice band hits 180 which is the magic number against most big basics and 150 is enough for any non-EX/GX. 190 is sort of nice against some niche cards, but most of those are volc tech cards atm and you will lose that matchup 9 times out of 10 regardless of what you do.

200 is the next real damage mark and you can hit it with Kukui, or with a Koko flying flip in my variant.

Koko is in the deck for two reasons, one, as my path for hitting the 200 mark, two, as a free retreater so I can use Guzma to reset Giga Hammer when I don't have enough metagross out to reset my energy on the same turn.

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what should I change?
I want to add choice band but don't know what to drop, i'm thinking volcanion

please consider I'm poor and have pretty much nothing

>>33378499
Really unique supporter. Nice full art as well.
Maybe it could see play in Greninja? It would improve the whole problem of prized frogs.

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When you have good shit but its all tradelocked.

Sigh, I'm thinking about destroying my Metagross/Necrozma deck. I find myself not using it as often as Garde,Volc, or Bulu. Its probably has the lowest win to lose ratio out of all my decks, should I or nah?

>>33379372
>Has Garde,Volc, and Bulu
Sure, why not?

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>>33379032
VS Seeker is rotating on the 1st. So is Lysandre, you should replace him with Guzma. Lugia EX is also rotating then. The regular Lugia is pretty sub par because most people run GX over EX nowadays. Volcanion is actually very good for your deck because he puts more energies in play to charge up Delphox's damage, maybe buy the Volcanion theme deck from the shop to get 2 more Volcanion? If you had three Volcanion you could drop the Wishful Baton for another Choice Band. I would try to pick up more Rare Candies and a fourth Delphox so you can run the Delphox line 4-2-4 with 2-3 Rare candies to support it. You could also try to pick up a couple Volcanion EX or a Turtonator GX, they're pretty easy to pick up for one pack each, are good tech for what you're doing, and they'll let you start building into Kiawe's Fire Factory if you wish. With all that energy recharging from 3 Volcanion you don't really need the Energy Retrieval (you want the energies in play for Delphox) but if you're still worried you could replace the Brock's Grit with a Fisherman so you can cycle energies back to your hand rather than your deck. You could replace the Professor's letters with Energy Lottos so you can snag DCE as well, but it's not guaranteed, same with Max Elixirs. Maybe also run less pokeball cards? 3 Nest balls and 4 Ultra seems excessive. Wally also seems excessive when you're already running so many supporters and Rare Candy. Hau can just be another Kukui or N. And why bother with a Team Flare Grunt when you want your opponent to have energies in play for massive Psystorms?

>>33378902
>First off I want to say this list is far from optimal, but this should be a decent example for beginners and is budget friendly.
Though in hindsight rotom dex is superior. The list is far from perfected, tweak as you want. The new Gladion supporter would be nice too.
>>33378590
At this point of the game with my flips and ever since they nerfed tokens at a hard cap of 5 mystery boxes, I value tokens more considering each trade I make gets me +1 or more packs. I am also constantly testing prices of legacy foils and other obscure crap which eats up tokens too.

>>33379467
these are all pretty useful tips actually, thanks

I don't have most of those cards you're mentioning though, all my tournament tickets will end up going on theme tournaments where if i'm lucky i'll get one pack out

can I get some staple trainers or items from any of the theme decks on the shop?

>>33379560
I don't think they come in any of the theme decks as more than a 1-of, sadly, but it shouldn't be too hard to pick up all of the various trainers you need in exchange for some Pikachu Packs from the shop. The Volcanion EX and Turtonator GX are going to actually require packs to pick up, but like I said you can usually get someone to bite if you put up a trade for a single pack.

God, I love how edgy Gladion is. It's a shame he's a fringe tech and not a powerhouse.

Can I get a PTCGO price check on secret rare Charizard GX?

>>33379904

It's currently priced at 4 packs per card.

>>33379921
>people on eBay bidding at high prices
Thats disappointing.

>>33379931

IRL Charizard cards has always demanded high prices, the PTCGO doesn't reflect that at all.

>>33379639
I'm not getting the deal with the pikachu packs, why would anyone trade anything that's actually worth something for some worthless pikachu avatar items?

>>33380008
Value systems are subjective. People trade for it. What is there more to understand? Nobody has the answer. It just works.

New >>33380291

>>33379075
Greninja already plays town map, at least i do.

>>33380042
But it costs next to nothing and is purely cosmetic

Why wouldn't they just buy them themselves, and if they ran out of tokens to buy them with, why is it so urgent they can't wait til the next day to buy another one?